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Turning Personal Grief Into a Global Mission for Happiness | Mo Gawdat | E103
Thu, 08 May 2025
Mo Gawdat was thriving in his career as Chief Business Officer at Google X, enjoying wealth, success, and a loving family. However, his life took a dramatic turn after the tragic loss of his son, Ali. This loss made Mo realize that happiness isn’t defined by external factors but by how we perceive and navigate life’s challenges. Letting go of everything that once defined success, including his career, Mo reinvented himself as an advocate for happiness, dedicating his life to helping others live with less stress and more joy. In this episode, Mo joins Ilana to share how he transformed his life after tragedy and reveals his formula for finding happiness, managing stress, and creating lasting fulfillment. Mo Gawdat is an Egyptian entrepreneur, four-time bestselling author, and former Chief Business Officer at Google X. He founded the mission #OneBillionHappy, dedicated to helping others lead happier lives. In this episode, Ilana and Mo will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (02:07) Growing up in Egypt with a Passion for Tech (05:38) Coding and Landing a Job at IBM (11:02) Building Trust and Success in Sales (16:14) Struggling with Happiness Despite Success (21:35) Discovering the Algorithm of Happiness (27:02) The Devastating Loss of His Son (33:01) Turning Grief Into a Global Mission of Happiness (40:00) Leaving Google in Pursuit of True Fulfillment (46:47) Understanding and Managing Stress (01:00:24) Why Life is Like a Video Game Mo Gawdat is an Egyptian entrepreneur, four-time bestselling author, and former Chief Business Officer at Google X. With a background in engineering and over 30 years in the tech industry, he has held leadership roles at IBM, NCR, Microsoft, and Google, where he helped launch operations in over 50 countries. Mo developed a formula for happiness, which he shares in his book Solve for Happy, and founded the mission #OneBillionHappy, dedicated to helping others lead happier lives. Connect with Mo: Mo’s Website: mogawdat.com Mo’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mogawdat Mo’s Substack: substack.com/@mogawdat Resources Mentioned: Mo’s Book, Solve for Happy: Engineer Your Path to Joy: https://www.amazon.com/Solve-Happy-Engineer-Your-Path/dp/1501157558 Mo’s Book, Unstressable: A Practical Guide to Stress-Free Living: https://www.amazon.com/Unstressable-Practical-Guide-Stress-Free-Living/dp/1035022729 Mo’s Book, That Little Voice In Your Head: Adjust the Code That Runs Your Brain: https://www.amazon.com/That-Little-Voice-Your-Head/dp/152906614X Mo’s Book, Scary Smart: The Future of Artificial Intelligence and How You Can Save Our World: https://www.amazon.com/Scary-Smart-Future-Artificial-Intelligence/dp/1529077621 Leap Academy: Ready to make the LEAP in your career? There is a NEW way for professionals to Advance Their Careers & Make 5-6 figures of EXTRA INCOME in Record Time. Check out our free training today at leapacademy.com/training
Chapter 1: What inspired Mo Gawdat to pursue happiness?
I always say every time I joined a company, it felt like home. And every time I left, it felt really, really alien. A massive pivotal point for me was in my second year on IBM, Egypt was struck with a seven point something hectare scale earthquake and a lot of the schools were cracked. And so children stayed at home.
And then the international aid started to pour in and the government started to put in money in a place called the Educational Buildings Organization. The only condition for all of the aid was that they do everything now with fresh, modern technology. So they wanted CAD systems. They wanted database systems. They wanted GIS systems. They wanted everything to be state of the art.
I was a good salesman. I went in. They had a bid. So I responded to the bid. They picked IBM. I wouldn't have designed the systems those way, but I was responding to the bid. Anyway, six weeks later, I realized that the configuration they're asking is not going to work and that my systems are not the best systems. It was a $4.2 million deal, which in IBM Egypt at the time was quite sizable.
Anyway, so I wake up one morning knowing that it will probably cost me my job. I walk to the minister's office, sit outside and say, I need to meet the minister of education. And they go like, who are you? And I'm like the IBM account manager, 25 year old. And basically I sat there until 7 p.m. from 9 a.m. I walk in at 7 p.m. and I say, sir, I really advise you to cancel my order.
I think this, this and this are perfect from IBM. This, this and that you should get from Sun Microsystems. This you should ask Oracle to do. And I can help you, but I'm sure your technical team can do it. And he said, are you mad? I was like, no, no, no. I want to give you something that works. And the next morning he calls his team in and he cancels the order.
So I end up with around 2 million of the 4.2. And then he tells his team, ask this guy. He said Sun and Oracle. And so I give them genuine advice and they give the orders to other businesses. A few months later, the minister calls me to his office directly. No bids, no nothing. He says, I want to build this. Can you build it?
So I said, yes, sir, I can build this, this, this, this and that comfort zone for me. This, I think you should go to Dell. That, I think you should do this way. And ended up with a $16.4 million direct order from the government four months later. And I have to say, from then onwards, I never sold anything other than what the customer exactly wanted.
And my God, I basically didn't have to work ever again. I swear. I'd go sit with my clients at top levels at Google's years in my very last years at Google. These were billions of dollars sometimes. And yeah, sit there and the customer would say what they want. And I listen attentively. And half of the time I'd say, I can't help you. Okay.
And then occasionally I would say, oh yeah, I can ace this one.
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Chapter 2: How did Mo Gawdat's childhood shape his career?
Life facets away, yeah.
Yeah, a bad breakup, a loss of a loved one, an accident, whatever. The good news is, which this is from 9-11 statistics, that 93% of all who get to PTSD, so that's the highest level of stress, recover in three months. 96.7% recover in six months. And all of them, or most of them, 98% of them, experience post-traumatic growth.
So as you put yourself together within the three to six months, you're okay. You're even better than where you were before. So it's not trauma that stresses you. That is the reason for the epidemic of stress in the world today. What stresses you, what breaks you, interestingly, of those external stressors and internal stressors applied in different ways, it doesn't matter.
We went into something that we call the three reasons we break, okay? So one of them is trauma, we agree. It's too intense, too quick. But then the other two are very eye-opening. One of them is burnout. which I think most of our listeners will be familiar with.
And burnout is everything sub-trauma, so you can deal with every day, external or internal, aggregating on top of your head until the sum of all of those forces is too much to bear. So basically, it's the sigma of all of the stressors applied to you, multiplied by their intensity, multiplied by duration of application, by frequency of application.
which is actually really interesting to understand. So your commute acts as one of those little stressors. If you do it three times a day, it's more stressful than if you do it once a day. If you do it for an hour and a half, it's more stressful than if you do it for 15 minutes and so on. But here's the interesting thing.
When it comes to burnout, most of those events don't count as worthy of your attention to remove them. Because yeah, you know what? That alarm that wakes me up in the morning that, Sounds like a siren. It's not a big deal. I need to wake up. But then you add that alarm to that comment on your Instagram post that you see first thing in the morning to that comment from Donald Trump that shocks you.
You keep adding them. And probably before you even leave your bedroom, you've had 15 jolts of stress. And then you get into your commute and now you're stressed already. And, you know, and it just keeps adding up. One of your colleagues walks in and goes like, do you still have that report? And you blink. You burst. Load in their face.
And you basically, for those who experienced burnout, it's actually quite interesting because the minute it bursts, you can't get out of bed. for a long time. And so the prevention of burnout is not a question of preventing your colleague from saying, where is the report? That's not the issue at all. One of the strategies is a strategy of limiting stressors.
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Chapter 7: What is the mission behind #OneBillionHappy?
100%.
100%.
And I love that about you. So you're basically from Egypt. You're joining IBM. What is it like to start in the tech world again?
I always say every time I joined a company, it felt like home. And every time I left, it felt really, really alien. A massive pivotal point for me was in my second year on IBM, Egypt was struck with a seven point something hectare scale earthquake and a lot of the schools were cracked. And so children stayed at home.
And then the international aid started to pour in and the government started to put in money in a place called the Educational Buildings Organization. The only condition for all of the aid was that they do everything now with fresh, modern technology. So they wanted CAD systems. They wanted database systems. They wanted GIS systems. They wanted everything to be state of the art.
I was a good salesman. I went in. They had a bid. So I responded to the bid. They picked IBM. I wouldn't have designed the systems those way, but I was responding to the bid. Anyway, six weeks later, I realized that the configuration they're asking is not going to work and that my systems are not the best systems. It was a $4.2 million deal, which in IBM Egypt at the time was quite sizable.
Anyway, so I wake up one morning knowing that it will probably cost me my job. I walk to the minister's office, sit outside and say, I need to meet the minister of education. And they go like, who are you? And I'm like the IBM account manager, 25 year old. And basically I sat there until 7 p.m. from 9 a.m. I walk in at 7 p.m. and I say, sir, I really advise you to cancel my order.
I think this, this and this are perfect from IBM. This, this and that you should get from Sun Microsystems. This you should ask Oracle to do. And I can help you, but I'm sure your technical team can do it. And he said, are you mad? I was like, no, no, no. I want to give you something that works. And the next morning he calls his team in and he cancels the order.
So I end up with around 2 million of the 4.2. And then he tells his team, ask this guy. He said Sun and Oracle. And so I give them genuine advice and they give the orders to other businesses. A few months later, the minister calls me to his office directly. No bids, no nothing. He says, I want to build this. Can you build it?
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