Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David Senra - The Focused Few - [Invest Like the Best, EP.422]
Tue, 06 May 2025
My guest today is David Senra. David is the host of Founders podcast and a dear friend. This is our third time doing Invest Like the Best together and we have conversations like this one all the time. In today’s episode, David distills wisdom from 400 entrepreneur biographies into a single word: focus. He reveals why exceptional builders like Todd Graves and James Dyson create billion-dollar empires through obsessive dedication to simple ideas—whether perfecting chicken fingers or designing vacuum cleaners—while rejecting conventional growth timelines and investor pressure. David challenges us all to find the one thing we’d pursue even without recognition or reward, or what I like to call your life’s work. We discuss the concept of “anti-business,” raising capital as a founder, and decades-long commitment. Please enjoy this discussion with David Senra. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Ramp. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to Ramp.com/invest to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by AlphaSense. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at Alpha-Sense.com/Invest and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. – This episode is brought to you by Ridgeline. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to ridgelineapps.com to learn more about the platform. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:05:43) The Essence of Focus in Entrepreneurship (00:09:20) The Value of Long-Term Commitment (00:17:41) The Importance of Simplicity and Mastery (00:37:11) The Miracle of Entrepreneurship (00:44:56) James Dyson's Journey to Success (00:47:03) The Importance of Passion in Business (00:49:12) Critique of Modern Consumerism (00:52:18) The Value of Craftsmanship (00:56:36) The Drive for Excellence (01:04:06) The Importance of Hiring Top Talent (01:09:54) Creative Financing Strategies (01:19:35) Defining a Founder
Chapter 1: What is the essence of focus in entrepreneurship?
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Chapter 2: Why is long-term commitment important for founders?
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Chapter 3: How does simplicity contribute to mastery in business?
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My guest today is David Senra. David is the host of the Founders Podcast and at Dear Friend. This is our third time doing Invest Like the Best together, and we have conversations like this one all the time. In today's episode, David distills wisdom from more than 400 biographies of entrepreneurs into a single word, focus.
He reveals why exceptional builders like Todd Graves and James Dyson create billion-dollar empires through obsessive dedication to simple ideas, whether perfecting chicken fingers or designing vacuum cleaners. all while rejecting conventional growth timelines and investor pressures. David challenges us all to find the one thing we'd pursue even without recognition or reward.
We discussed the concept of anti-business, raising capital as a founder, and decades-long commitment. Please enjoy this great discussion with David Senron. If I think about founders and try to simplify what it is, I would say that it's an entrepreneur lives 40 years and built something. A biographer spends four-ish years researching them and writing something. You spend like 40 hours writing.
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Chapter 4: What are the lessons from James Dyson's journey?
He owns 90% of a business that he started in college. He's been doing it for 30 years. The business is worth at least $10 million. It's growing at 30% a year. And he refuses to sell. What would be the opposite of that, right? The slow grind to really perfecting what you're doing before you try to like just scale it up.
There's a great line, I think, in Nick Sleep's partnership letters, which I just did. And he's like, we just don't understand why we go to these companies that are losing money and they want to figure out how to get bigger. And so lose more money. And he's not talking about like an Amazon where you actually have to do that. SPF, I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'm wrong.
Like maybe these people are right. And the reason I thought about Todd Graves, because there's so many people in his career, which we'll get to, that said, no, you're doing it wrong. And he's, and when he was younger, he's like, damn, they're like experts. They're smarter. They're like older than me. Like, and he started to doubt himself for a little bit.
And he's like, wait, no, they didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. And so I was really resistant to the SPF thing. So I started listening to all these podcasts on them. And then when he does podcasts, he would like multitask. Which my personal hero is Charlie Munger. I think he's the wisest person I've ever come across, the wisest person I've ever talked to. And what does he say?
He's like, you're going to get half-assed effort. That's not an exact quote. Like if you multitask, he just, he single tasks. Like I'm just focused on whatever's in front of me. He has this great quote that I put up that went viral. And it's like obvious. And he's like, I didn't succeed in life because of intelligence. I succeeded because I had a long attention span.
And that's what I'm so interested in to go back to your point. But then I started watching these SPF podcasts and no disrespect, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm not trying to insult him, but he's like, I've been on a bunch of podcasts. I've never played fucking video games while I'm doing anything. Yeah. It's like, this is so, first of all, it's kind of disrespectful. It's like a human level.
It's like, you don't even deserve my full attention. You know what? My phone's not here. Like we're like just having this conversation. But then, so I said, okay, well, maybe there's interesting ideas here. And then he explains what he was doing. And then I heard him say something. And immediately he said this. He's like, well, I actually think no one ever has to read a book.
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Chapter 5: Why is passion key in business success?
And he talks about like, he doesn't read books. Books are stupid. Should just be a blog post. And I was like, oh, there's no way I'm doing. What's the chance that this young kid, right?
he arrived at a conclusion that for the last 5,000 years of humanity, you have all these people talking about how valuable it is to write down the lessons from the people that came before us and to pick up that book and read the lessons. And this guy comes along and says, no, no, just disregard that mass of humanity. That's not a valuable activity.
I'm sorry, I'm going to take Munger over SPF every day. And I'm so glad I didn't do the episode. Because imagine if I had in the Founders Back catalog, a podcast on history's greatest entrepreneur, and it's a guy that, you know,
Chapter 6: How does modern consumerism affect business?
was essentially a fraud. If you think about the, that over 70 category of entrepreneur that you've learned so much from, what do they do most differently in contrast to the in a hurry, fastest to a hundred million ARR type entrepreneurs that you've also spent time with?
One, they just, I think great anything takes time. Like a great business takes time. You can be phenomenal. If you look in the early days of Amazon, obviously Jeff was really gifted. He's really smart. He was doing a lot of smart things even before he started Amazon.
But if you look at how good he was and how great the business was a decade to three decades in, I always say this quote, and I think it's dead right. It's fascinating that everybody in technology has read Zero to One, right? If you're only going to read one book, probably that would be the one to read. I think it's excellent.
But they missed the part of what he says in there where he's like, hey, there's a big problem with technology companies is they optimize for growth at the expense of durability.
But if you look at when do these giant companies, and he said tech companies, but you see this in all these companies, Raising Cane's is another example, where they actually make more money three, four, five, six decades into the future. All the real money is out there. So therefore, if you're optimizing for growth at the expense of durability, you're never going to get to the real rewards.
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Chapter 7: What role does craftsmanship play in entrepreneurship?
And the reason you do that is because growth you can track and durability you cannot. And I just did this episode on Ken Griffin and what's fascinating is he's founded Citadel, I think 35 years ago. And I think he founded Citadel of Securities 23 years ago. And he just said, we've had the most, the best financial years of our entire life in the last four years.
He's 30 years, 30 years into that business is the best time he's had. And he's, you know, hopefully he keeps compounding that.
So where does the durability come from? Like, like how do they, those long stories, how do they earn the durability?
I think what this really comes down to, like you're kind of hitting at this. I think this is why, even though I'm not an investor, I do like your framing of like trying to back people that it's their life's work. I am very interested in people that have a mission and I don't know why.
It took me 32 years to find my mission, another five and a half to make it to where it can actually support my family. And then, you know, now I realize like, oh, this is it. This is the thing I'm doing. I want to tie into something I read yesterday. You guys actually made this great profile on Neil. Yeah. And what I would say is. There's a lot of good quotes in there.
I feel like I should do like a miniature, like episode bonus episode on that one. He gave this analogy of like, um, of the helicopter. It's like, most people are like doing due diligence on a company or whatever. And they're at like 8,000 feet and they maybe go, they'll hover down to 5,000 feet. And they're like, Oh, we did our job. They're like, no, no.
Neil lands the helicopter, then gets out of the helicopter, then goes underneath the helicopter and then puts his hands in the dirt. And I read that. I don't think of any entrepreneur living, I think, oh, that's Walt Disney. That's Steve Jobs. That's Estee Lauder. That's all the people that I admire. That's Todd Graves. It sounds like I heard stories.
I was just at this dinner last weekend for somebody that knows Ken. And they asked what episode I'm working on. I was like, oh, I'm working on an episode of Ken Griffin. And they were telling stories that were very similar to that, paying attention to even the tiniest corner of the business you wouldn't even think he's paying attention to.
But he's sitting there and talk to the person responsible for three straight hours to make sure it's being done. I just like people that take what they're doing seriously. The feedback on the Tigress episode, it's absolutely ripping.
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Chapter 8: How do creative financing strategies define a founder?
The reason that- Like people are surprised with some of the people that I want to meet that are still living. And so I have like, you know, a list. And in the top three of that list is a guy named Jimmy Iovine. Me and you share a love for that Defiant Ones. Defiant Ones documentary, Last Dance, Defiant Ones. Like those are the best documentaries. I watch them over and over again.
And Jimmy Iovine has this great line. He's just like, when you're running after something, he goes, they do this great editing job where it shows horses on a racetrack. And it goes back and forth between that and Jimmy. And Jimmy's like, you know why they put fucking blinders on those horses? And he goes, because if they look left or right, they'll miss a step. And humans should have that too.
When you're chasing after something, don't look left, don't look right, go. And that's why I wake up every day. We talked about this when we did that live show in New York City. It was obvious if you read the books that the great entrepreneurs, once they find what they love to do, low to zero introspection. Now, they think deeply about their business, but they wake up every morning.
They're not wondering, like, what should I do today? They know exactly what they're doing. And to find that, for me to know I'm going to wake up and do this for as long as I have a voice, I have eyes, like, hopefully I have life. Like, that's an unbelievable belief. Now... because it's your mission and because I'm also super competitive and kind of a little crazy.
Our mutual friend, Daniel Eck, has the greatest line he told me. He's just like, one of the reasons I like you so much is because you're like an LLM trained on history's greatest entrepreneurs with the temperature turned up. It's like, yeah, obviously like some people are not going to like that and that's fine. Then you, you kind of torture.
I did this episode on Jensen Wong and he has a great thing where he doesn't like to fire people. He's like, I'd rather to torture them into greatness. And then you realize when you, how he goes about his life, he actually tortured himself into greatness. You know, even this is in recent few years, they tell a great story. Blowout quarter. Company's doing incredible.
And he walks into the meeting and goes, every morning I wake up, look at myself in the mirror and say, why do you suck so much?
We've heard that a few times from some exceptional people.
They're all like this. They're all like this.
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