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The Global Story: Antibiotics - A casualty of war?

Sun, 16 Feb 2025

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Antimicrobial drugs like antibiotics have saved countless lives and transformed the health of humanity. Some of the greatest advances in the development of these drugs have been forged in wartime. But now those same wars threaten the progress that has been made.

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Chapter 1: What are the historical roots of antibiotics in warfare?

26.587 - 49.712 Dominic Hughes

They have saved countless lives and improved tens, maybe hundreds of millions more. Antimicrobial drugs have transformed the health of humanity. Some of the greatest advances in those drugs' development have been forged in wartime. But now those same wars threaten the progress that's been made.

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Chapter 2: How did the Russian invasion of Ukraine impact antibiotic resistance?

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The Russian invasion of Ukraine has led to the emergence of bacteria that are severely resistant to multiple antibiotics.

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58.715 - 90.248 Dominic Hughes

A new dark age of drug resistance looms as antimicrobial drugs are prescribed in massive quantities on the battlefield and to civilian casualties. Today, the story of humanity's triumph over disease and how that is threatened by the wars we fight. With me today is Dominic Hughes, our global health correspondent. Hello, Johnny. How are you? It's just lovely to have you on the show.

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90.308 - 106.274 Dominic Hughes

Thank you very much indeed. We are talking, of course, about antimicrobial resistance. Can we start with where we were before we had drugs like these, where we were, I guess, for civilians, but also where we were in wartime?

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106.954 - 132.732 Unknown Speaker

Yeah, so before antimicrobials were really discovered, life was essentially precarious. Even a relatively minor infection could prove fatal. So people say a paper cut could have killed you. Anything that could lead to an infection. So any kind of surgery, giving birth, deaths of mothers and babies were really commonplace. And treatments were pretty medieval.

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Chapter 3: What was life like before the discovery of antimicrobials?

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Bloodletting was a treatment for pneumonia. Fresh air was the main treatment for tuberculosis. And for hundreds of years, mercury compounds were used to treat syphilis. But also that came along with terrible side effects. And of course, on the field of battle, any little cut could be really dangerous because battlefields are full of dirt, other people's bloods, bits of hot metal flying around.

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158.035 - 161.919 Unknown Speaker

There were a lot of serious injuries and from that, deadly infections.

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162.579 - 174.807 Dominic Hughes

OK, so then along come... antimicrobials. Now, I think a fair number of people will probably be thinking, hang on, antimicrobial antibiotics, are they one and the same thing?

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175.287 - 199.323 Unknown Speaker

They're slightly different. So an antimicrobial is an agent that kills microorganisms or it stops them from growing in the first place. So antimicrobial medicines can be grouped according to the different microorganisms they act against. So for example... Antibiotics, as you mentioned, are used against bacteria. Antifungals are used against fungal infections.

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199.803 - 213.835 Unknown Speaker

And they can include things like disinfectants, which are used on surfaces, or antiseptics, which are used on living tissue, for example, during surgery. And then, of course, antibiotics, which destroy microorganisms in the body.

213.995 - 230.022 Dominic Hughes

So antibiotics are a subset of a broader group of antimicrobials. Exactly that, yeah. What about the discovery of antimicrobials and the people that made these, I guess, revolutionary discoveries?

Chapter 4: How were antimicrobials discovered and developed?

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Yeah, so, look, there's a really ancient history to the use of antimicrobials. The ancient Egyptians and the Greeks, they used moulds to treat infection, you know, more than 2,000 years ago. But in the 19th century, Louis Pasteur and Jean-Francois Joubert noticed... what they described as antagonism between bacteria. In other words, one type of bacteria stopped the action or the effect of another.

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Joseph Lister then used their work and he developed this into the sterilisation of surgical tools and treating wounds, which, of course, had a massive impact on survival rates during surgery. But then the crucial breakthrough was in 1928, Alexander Fleming...

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studying the appearance of staphylococcal colonists. A staphylococcus is a microbe that gives us boils and carbuncles.

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He came back from a holiday to his lab at St Mary's Hospital in London and he found mould that was growing on a Petri dish that seemed to be preventing the bacteria that was around it from growing.

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They extracted it and purified it and reinjected it into animals and human beings.

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This mould produced pretty much a self-defence chemical that could kill the bacteria, and he named that substance penicillin.

313.853 - 334.706 Dominic Hughes

Penicillin, which is probably what most people, if they think about antibiotics, they think about penicillin as the sort of great father of antibiotics. You said that happens between the First and the Second World War, presumably. It's the Second World War that means you have a massive take-up, in particular on the battlefield.

334.926 - 356.79 Unknown Speaker

Yeah, it took actually almost 20 years to develop Fleming's discovery into a useful drug. It's an extremely tricky process to get penicillin made on an industrial scale. And in fact, it wasn't until about 1942, in the middle of the Second World War, that production of penicillin really took off. And that happened in the United States.

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Industrial monument to the miracle drug. Mass production penicillin plant at Terre Haute, Indiana.

Chapter 5: Why is antibiotic resistance a growing concern?

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How much have we relied on antimicrobials since then?

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424.329 - 445.392 Unknown Speaker

Well, antibiotics are used to treat or prevent a really big range of bacterial infections. So things as varied as acne, the sexually transmitted infection chlamydia, kidney infections, pneumonia... But also they're sometimes given as a precaution to prevent rather than treat an infection.

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445.452 - 465.203 Unknown Speaker

So if you're having an operation or you have a bite or a wound that could get infected, or if you have a health problem that means you're at a higher risk of infection, something like having your spleen removed or you're having chemotherapy treatment for cancer, all of those will involve the administration of some kind of antibiotic.

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465.879 - 471.78 Dominic Hughes

It sounds like they are very common, both in civilian life and in military life.

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472.041 - 498.868 Unknown Speaker

Yeah, they really are. I mean, to give you an idea of the sort of sense of scale, global antibiotic consumption rates since they were introduced have just gone through the roof. One study in 2021 found that use had increased by nearly 50% in the last two decades. It's a bit tricky this, but consumption is measured in what's called defined daily doses per 100,000 population per day.

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So in other words, it's the proportion of people who are getting antibiotics on any single day, on each single day in that year, in any given country. So between 2000 and 2018, that figure has gone from 9.8 to 14.3. Wow. And most of that... Yeah, really significant increase. Most of that increase... interestingly, has been driven by a huge uptake in use in low and middle income countries.

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But high income countries have remained also extremely high, but stable. So you can see the growth now has just really spread right around the globe.

538.302 - 564.495 Dominic Hughes

Don, since I was a kid, there has been talk of of in particular antibiotic resistance, of all of us becoming resistant or the threat of resistance, of no longer being touched properly by antibiotics. Can you just explain how the resistance builds and how we understand the pattern of it?

Chapter 6: Why aren't new antibiotics being developed?

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Scientists refer to this as antimicrobial resistance. It's known as AMR. And that develops when the microbes that cause an infection, they basically evolve ways to protect themselves from that effect that Fleming noticed in his Petri dish back in 1928. So that mould that Fleming noticed no longer stops the bacteria from growing.

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588.223 - 615.254 Unknown Speaker

It's basically driven by a couple of things, but the main one is evolution. bacteria just evolves ways round the obstacles that are placed in their way, but also by the misuse and overuse of antibiotics in recent years. And that's meant that these antimicrobials, antibiotics, are becoming less effective. And instead, we're seeing the emergence of what are called superbugs, things like MRSA,

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Clostridium difficile, known as C. diff, and the bacteria that cause multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis. So really serious infections. And the range of drugs then that are available to treat them are becoming fewer.

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630.028 - 638.46 Dominic Hughes

So why don't we just discover some new antimicrobials to get round the... Resistance that's trying to get around the ones we've got already.

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638.901 - 667.302 Unknown Speaker

So this is interesting. Since the 1970s, the production of new antibiotics, antimicrobials, has really slowed. I think the last antibiotic was discovered in the late 1980s. And there's lots of reasons for that, particularly it's extremely difficult to produce these new drugs. It's extremely expensive and it takes a very long time.

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And because of all those reasons, the big pharmaceutical companies have shied away from from producing them, and in doing so, they kind of lost some of the expertise and the knowledge that was available in order to produce these drugs in the first place.

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So a lot of different factors have come together to mean that the production of new antimicrobials, antibiotics, has really, really ground to a halt.

693.934 - 704.358 Dominic Hughes

We've been talking about resistance to antimicrobials as if it's just a sort of one thing. Is it or do you have different kinds of resistance?

704.978 - 725.831 Unknown Speaker

No, you're right. There are different scales of resistance. So they talk about multiple drug resistance. And that's when bacteria developed the ability to kind of resist multiple antibiotics. But since 2011, and this gives us a clue as to how serious this is. Since 2011, scientists have also referred to different degrees of resistance.

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