Fantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit – Der Podcast
FW#54: Science Center Økolariet, Risuruuu, FF7 Remake, Kaizo, The Substance, Kometen
Fri, 08 Nov 2024
Marta holt einige Themen nach, die vor Jahrzenten an ihr vorübergingen: Kometenbeobachtung und Final Fantasy 7. Kuba begeistert uns für die Kunst, extrem schwierige Videospiel-Level zu bauen und zu genießen, und führt uns außerdem in die Feinheiten lebensecht animierter Gänse-Avatare ein. Weitere Themen: noch ein Erlebniszentrum, ein schwer verdaulicher Sci-Fi-Horrorfilm und ein Audiorätsel aus dem futuristischen Alltag. Kapitelchen & Tracklist 0:00:00 proxygirl – frosted_meadow CC BY-NC 0:00:35 Intro: Psychoddyssey, botsin.space, Kometen 0:20:50 Florida Man – Twilight Filter CC BY-NC-ND 0:23:49 Joanne Gabriel – Air CC BY 0:24:11 Risuruuu 0:37:40 carrie z – Psaumes (1895) – 3. Sk8er Boi CC BY-NC-SA 0:40:58 Final Fantasy 7 Remake 0:43:28 Joanne Gabriel – The Human Brain CC BY 1:00:47 Belladonna Ciao – Superfund CC BY-SA 1:02:59 Kaizo 1:18:47 Alice – Les oiseaux CC BY-NC-ND 1:21:09 Audiorätsel 1:28:44 Palm – Trying CC BY-NC-SA 1:31:08 Science Center Økolariet 1:32:51 Rrrrrose – Loyalty Freak Music – I want to be alone CC BY 1:45:21 Plaeikke – Genesis einer Utopie CC BY-NC 1:49:56 carrie z – Gnossienne no. 6 (1897) CC BY-NC-SA 1:50:12 The Substance 1:58:42 carrie z – Psaumes (1895) – 2. Complicated CC BY-NC-SA Shownotes Die letzte Folge PsychOdyssey auf YouTube RIP botsin.space Kometen auf Wikipedia: Tsuchinshan, Halley, Hale-Bopp Silly Goose Speedrun: Sonic R by Risuruuu in 24:50 - Flame Fatales 2024 (YouTube) I'm not a cat (YouTube) Kaizo Speedrun: Super "Sonic Saves the World" World by Shoujo in 41:27 - Summer Games Done Quick 2024 (YouTube) Auflösung Audiorätsel Økolariet The Substance (IMDb) Credits & Lizenz Flyer: via diverse Nintendo rip-offs :P Cover: basierend auf Robert Fludd Metaphysik und Natur- und Kunstgeschichte beider Welten, nämlich des Makro- und des Mikrokosmos, 1617; Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons Diese Folge erscheint unter CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, d.h. unsere Inhalte gerne teilen, remixen, aber uns bitte erwähnen und ja kein Geld verdienen! Musik siehe jeweilige Lizenzen.
Thank you.
Science fiction is everywhere and you don't even know it. Hello and welcome to Phantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit. My name is Marta.
My name is Kuba.
You can hear us either on Radio Blau or as a podcast on www.phantastische-wissenschaftlichkeit.de. Today we are talking again about science fiction and about the futuristic that we encounter in everyday life.
Exactly. There's music, as you can hear in the background, and it reminds me so much of the documentary about the... Psych Odyssey! Ah, that's how it's called. I think we talked about it six episodes ago. In my opinion, one of the best... I have to watch it again. Psychodrama PsychOdyssey.
PsychOdyssey. Finally we understood.
And maybe that's a good reason, because the last episode has just been released, where they look back at the whole documentary. Another one released? Another one released, exactly, yes. And it's already relatively introspective and reflective. And it's interesting again, the whole thing over, what is it, four, five, six, seven, eight years, probably, where the team looks back and recapitulates.
what happened there in these years in the world.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And I think it will be interesting again at some point.
Probably there are already retrospectives of how certain media dealt with the outbreak of the pandemic. And I think it was particularly successful, although I couldn't say why now, but somehow I thought it was good. Often it annoys me, I think. I just had the case again that I started a podcast and the first episodes were like mid-2019 and then you hear, you hear, oh oh.
Yes, I had that in Masterchef last time. Yes, where they cook with distance. Cook with distance, yes.
And at the same time, it was also an all-stars episode, where people who were candidates and candidates who are now successful, have restaurant chains or small cafes or something, are caught in this show, so to speak, for months and at the same time have all these worries about how their family, but also their business is doing.
Yeah, wow. You can't imagine that.
You can't imagine that. All of that in my Feel Good TV.
We're listening to the song Frosted Meadow by Proxy Girl, album Proxy World. here under a free license, creative commons, attribution, not commercially available, to be found on Bandcamp, found by my bot, who has to look after a new social media house, because the Mastodon instance is being set up.
The bots in space are going away, right?
Exactly, yes. So for all those who... There were a lot of funny words in that sentence. It's an alternative. social media concept where people make their own servers available and you can register more or less publicly and there was an instance where a lot of bots were allowed to be at home because they often produce another output now as normal human fleshly people and so my bot, who
Let's see where it goes. I'm not sure how I should continue with this. Whether posting every two hours is such a good idea at all. Let's see. Let's see. Stay tuned. Attribution, not commercial, means you can listen to these songs, the new ones on the album, for your own projects, as we are doing right now for our project.
And we do the license enough by saying who it is from and the project is not commercial. So, you brought a topic with you.
Yes, I have a question, a everyday question. In your everyday life, have you met the Tsu-Chin-Shan?
When you started with a few syllables, I thought, oh, yes, yes, yes, and then no.
I'll tell you what he is. He is a comet that could be observed with the naked eye from the northern hemisphere in October 2024. He recently reached a brightness of up to minus 4 mag. This makes him the third brightest comet in the last 100 years.
Damn, no, he didn't meet me. Neither did I. I was a little too lazy to go out on a free field. The chances were bad in Berlin.
I haven't seen any of the northern lights either.
Me neither.
Futuristic is that we don't meet in everyday life.
Because we're too lazy to go out at night because it's cold.
Totally. But still, I took that as an occasion. In the sentence I just read, there are a lot of questions for me. For example, what is mug?
Magnetudo.
And if it's the third-largest comet in the last 100 years, who were the other two? Magnetudo, yes. We didn't say anything about that.
It's the machine of Professor X-by-X. Right? No, bullshit. Magneto is the other guy.
But that's what it sounds like. Magnitude is a unit of apparent brightness.
That there is also light in it is a bit mean.
How bright do stars or other celestial bodies appear from the earth compared to other things that we see? And what happens at zero when it is minus four? Exactly, so I chose a few things to compare that were specified in the table. At the very top it said sun, a star with minus 27 mag. It's a logarithmic scale, the lower the brighter. No, just kidding. The higher, the brighter.
Yes, but exponentially brighter.
No, wait a minute. The lower, the brighter. Yes, that's right. The negative, the brighter. And then the second comparison point.
Wait a minute, then the sun has minus 27. Exactly. Ah, okay. Then the sun from Neptune looks like minus 19 mags. Of course.
Of course. Full moon. That's a moon. Minus twelve mag. The ISS minus five. That's about comparable. So about as bright as the ISS we knew the... Exciting. ...the Su-Ching-Chuan-Zing.
To the magnitude of full moon, in brackets, a moon, one sentence stuck with me in my astronomy from school. where our teacher said, you shouldn't look at the moon with a good binocular when it's full moon, because you can damage your eyes.
Sun in quotation marks, stars also not.
That too, but for me it doesn't fit together. The moon, it's harmless.
Yes, it has a very cool, pleasant light. It can't be dangerous. That means... No, full moon was minus 12. That means the comet was pretty harmless. We wouldn't have been able to see it with our eyes. Mostly harmless. The other two comets, do you know who they are?
Well, probably Hayley, Joel, Osm and Bob. And the other one, Hayley.
Oh really? Yes. One is called Halley and the other one is called Hale Bob. Of course the question is whether all comets start with Hale. But these two do.
That's on our conversation card. Exactly.
Heli is also called Helisha Comet. My bit, what I'm doing right now, is a appreciation of some Wikipedia articles. Sometimes I just love this... unsubstantial style when passionate fans write these articles on Wikipedia. Sometimes it's not quite what I'm looking for, but here it's just perfect. And the Halley comet is very bright. Do you know how often it comes back?
All 71 years? 75 years. And last year he was there in 1986.
Next time he will be there in 2061. With a bit of luck. With a lot of luck. With a lot of luck we still have a little chance.
You might have seen him once.
Oh no, wait, 1961. With luck. It was discovered by Edmond Halley. In these comets, what makes them hyper-objects is the time span. cave paintings. Well, maybe I'm exaggerating, but he finds old drawings from hundreds of years ago, where he has already been observed and painted.
And Halley... Or the Bible, for example.
Yes, lived in the 17th and 18th centuries, was then promoted to royal astronomer due to this achievement, to recognize the Halley comets as a comet and to predict its return. That was not so natural at the time. But somehow he found out that earlier reports somehow have to be the same thing and then calculated from that when he would come back. And that was right. But he didn't even notice that.
Still, he got such an amazing promotion.
A lot of trust. A lot of trust, yes.
Only a few years after his death did it come true. I thought you were saying something like he was on the verge of failure.
No, I don't think so. For his heresy.
I don't think so. Then Hale and Bob are two different people after this other comet was named. They had to marry to make it fit again. Right. It was in 1995, so actually we both had a chance to see it.
I can remember half of it.
You can remember half of it? I have absolutely zero memory. I'm not sure.
I guess I saw it. I think maybe I was missing the hyper-objective imagination to understand how...
I can remember a few years later the darkness of the sun. That was a big topic. I can still remember when I had a beginner computer science class in school and we had to do a kind of website or something like that.
Yes, the other orchid class.
Exactly, my topic was the darkness of the sun, because it was so interesting for me. We went out and looked. But this comet,
And back then you couldn't even use emojis and stuff like that. You had to fill it all in with letters and GIFs.
Yeah, and pictures that I just took from other sites. No one told me how that is with Creative Commons licenses and so on. Public domain. Anyway, the astronomer Hale had already been looking for comets unsuccessfully before. Wikipedia, right? But in 1995 he had given up systematic searching and focused on observing already known objects.
And on the evening of the 22nd of July, Horst's time, he wanted to observe two comets in Cloudcroft, New Mexico. After he had observed the first one, he wanted to pass the time to the second one. And while he was looking at something in the sky, he found, to his surprise, a small diffuse object with a brightness of 10 to 11 Mach. Next to the heap.
Oh yes, he wanted to look at a pile of ball stars to pass the time.
As you do.
With 10 to 11 Mag I looked up a table, about as bright as between Neptune and Pluto.
Ah, okay.
So pretty diffuse and light.
It's still surprising because something is appearing that is as bright as a planet and that doesn't really fit into the concept.
Yes, and that no one else had it on the screen. Only this Mr. Hey.
95.
July 22, local time. And after an hour he was sure to have found a new comet. That's the story of ... The other amateur astronomer, Thomas Bob, had no interest in comets. And never seen one. Not even the comet Halley in 1986, just like us. I can identify myself well. He said it wasn't even a telescope, but was with friends in Arizona on July 22nd to look at a bunch of stars. Yes.
Also this bunch of stars that the other one looked at for time travel. That's a coincidence. And coincidentally, Bob was the first to observe the Hail Bob comets. And so the first comet he ever saw was named after him together with Hail and known worldwide. I wonder how exactly that happened. How did that come about? Did he call somewhere and say, hey,
Everything I know about it I learned from this Simpsons episode. That's why I wouldn't rely on speculating.
I think this background music is also very suitable for our story. Next chapter, next headline in Wikipedia. Impacts on the zeitgeist. Early March 1997. Huh? That's a lot later. Was he there for so long? Early March 1997 the comet was so bright Citation needed. Neutral point of view. In addition, around 1996... Interestingly, with a juggler act.
In 1996, the internet spread widely and contributed to an unparalleled interest in Hale-Bob.
On numerous websites, for example, created by me... No, that's not true. Mine was about the sun and darkness, but probably by other young people. On numerous websites, you could see the development of comets with daily new images. But now comes my favorite part. For many people, this was the first big comet they could experience well. Ikea Siki, the comet Ikea Siki, was already over 30 years old.
And after the disappointment with the hyped Kohutek, many were no longer interested in the subject and had therefore and due to the lack of coverage in the media missed the comet West. The Halley Comet had in 1986 Only an unspectacular appearance and also the comet Hyakutake in the spring could not be seen by many because of bad weather.
Hail Bob, on the other hand, could anchor well in collective memory and the name alone is still a buzzword decades later and affects most associations.
Wow, that sounds like it was a branding success, because Hale Bobs is such a good name.
Good name, yes, but Hellish Comet, I don't know. Why was he so unspectacular? That didn't come to mind for me now. The Hellish Comet, what did we say? He also had a lot of mugs.
You could maybe add that to the Wikipedia discussion page so that it could be worked out better.
I think it's already there. I think the discussion page is probably ten times longer than the article. But for me it's kind of surprising. that in my memory, in the collective maybe, but in my personal memory, unfortunately nothing remained. And I imagine, maybe you said to me, look Martha, out there is a comet. And I said, okay, I'll look at it later.
Just like now. Now we missed it.
Yes, now we missed it.
Okay, so that means we'll meet again, time capsule, in 42 years or so, right?
Yes, the Hell, Hell, She, Comet, exactly, 2061. Okay. Our next chance. But maybe it will be unspectacular again.
Then in episode 2044. Oh my god.
I'll write it down.
Very good. Let's listen to music now. Yes. I'm for Florida Man, Twilight Filter.
Make me find my way Back home, I wish I didn't
I wanna come over but where is your place?
And back to fantastic science. We just heard Florida Man with the song Twilight Filter. Florida Man, a band of three. 16-year-old, including Queenissa, the daughter of Big Blood, one of my favorite bands, which you hear here again and again, and which I missed like the comets. They were on a date, concert in Germany, even for free in a youth house.
Next chance, 2061. Oh, yes, really.
And it was unfortunately in Bremen and I was a bit too lazy to drive to Bremen.
Again the same problem, to leave V and leave Berlin.
A pattern is being drawn. Here under the license, Creative Commons, attribution, not commercial, no derivatives, so no remixes. And in the background is still by Joan Gabriel. The song R. License, license, license announcement. Scroll down further. Ah yes, just attribution, that means relatively free of charge. Joanne Gabriel, also to be found on Bandcamp, comes from France. Author and musician.
And on the cover, very spooky hands from the first-person perspective. It fits quite well. We have a pretty spooky show today. A few days too late for Halloween.
Yes, last year we had a really thematic show with the science of the creepy screams, if I remember correctly. Take a look at that. If you want to hear something suitable for Halloween.
If we can make it, we have a horror movie in the show.
Don't promise too much.
But first something very harmless and nice. And that is... The topic is called Risoro, so a person. Risoro is a cosplayer and speedrunner. That means she plays video games as fast as possible, especially Sonic games.
Which are already very fast.
Which are already very fast and shows that on Twitch and YouTube and so on.
And she's a cosplayer. Yeah, she dresses up.
As characters, especially from manga, anime. But also from computer games. With probably self-made costumes. Mostly self-made costumes. She also plays... So, we already had that in the show, Speedruns again and again. I think I'll tell you more about Speedruns later. Because it feels like magic for us. You break the laws of the world in the computer game and go through walls and so on.
And you break the laws of what is possible for humans. If you imagine doing it, it seems impossible. Partly dreamy. Like in a dream.
I can run as fast as possible. No, I mean what they can do as players.
Yes, just the skill and the many thousands of training hours that go into it. What we didn't have in the show are VTubers.
Was that a term for you?
No.
What are Vtubers? Normally, when we watch speedruns or livestreams, let's plays, as it used to be called, then you can see the computer game in large, what's happening there, in the corner. Like my picture at a video conference, the picture of the person who is doing it right now. We can watch it while doing it.
And sometimes people don't put in their real camera picture, but a representative in the picture, an avatar, a placeholder. And that's sometimes an animated figure, more or less animated. And sometimes this animated figure automatically synchronized with the camera image. That is, it's as if she had a virtual costume on.
A bit like Snapchat filters or Instagram filters for people who have done this before. I think I belong to that.
Like this one, if you've seen the video. Was that a lawyer? I can link it to you here.
best of all pandemic videos, I think. I'm not a cat, I'm a judge.
That's true.
So, I've known that so far, especially with anime characters. And Also that the synchronicity wasn't really good, a bit slow and melancholy. A bit late and the lips not quite synchronized and the expressiveness also somehow limited, more like a puppet maybe. Where it just hangs a bit behind the camera picture. Until I saw Risoro. How would you describe Risoro? She looks very nice.
White, with a beak. Two wings.
In the form of a goose.
Yes, don't forget the umbrella cap and something like headphones, I think. And I don't know how she did it, but this whole thing is much better synchronized and expressive than any, let's say, more human-like figure. Which word would I actually say? Anthropomorph. So maybe the antonidomorph is better suited. So she has simple cartoon eyes, just black buttons.
The beak also works, instead of a mouth.
The beak just moves up and down. And I think the basic thesis is that it avoids the uncanny valley. We don't compare that with a human figure at all, but Well, it's a whole.
It's a whole. I once reported about how surprisingly realistic the speaking animals in Schweinchen Babe were to me when I look at it today. In Schweinchen Babe and in... What's the name of this doctor?
Dr. Dolittle. The doctor.
Because they either recorded animals that just close their mouths when they eat or cut around a bit. And that works super well.
It works super well and it's also relatively clever to increase the expressiveness. With such an effect where she can get huge pupils that look absolutely great. Then she can turn red, the whole thing has red beaks. And what I particularly like is that she can wobble back and forth like a stand-up male. This 3D figure has a tipping point somewhere and it's relatively high up.
And I don't know, it just fills me with good mood when I see that. And I think it also helps, I'm not sure if it's really a 3D figure or if it's just very clever, like, let's say South Park, out of cut out shapes that move against each other. And certain parts are flat, so not really projected in 3D, but like drawn.
Like Mickey Mouse can't move in 3D, because the ears always look coplanar into the camera. And I think, maybe that's the wrong word, but it sounds good. And I think what goes very well here is this expressiveness. It fits her character, this whole thing. She also calls herself Silly Goose.
Yes, and she also says wonderful things like, Goose morning, everyone! Have a goose day!
I'm surprised. I actually have an excerpt, maybe we can finally listen to it.
and being around to share that chaos with the silly goose here is one of my favorite things and sharing it all with you as well so i'm very excited for this run
Thank you, Glentel. It's always a pleasure whenever I can have you join us in the pond today. Oh, stop. So without further ado, let's get ourselves started a bit. Let's show these people what they came here for. So we are going to go ahead and start with Radical City first because that is where we're going to go to get a Tails doll. And we're going to go, we have to go get my son first.
So we'll be... Just a moment. And then the real party starts. So I will go ahead and give a countdown and then we can boogie. So starting in three, two, one, let's go.
That was a bit unfair. It's hard to find good sound clips. Very good. Very good. And I think my final thesis is that the of a real duck house. And it's better than a Donald costume that runs around in Disneyland could ever be.
Oh, that's an interesting thesis. When you sent me that, my first feeling about it So wow, okay, that's futuristic in everyday life. It's one of those moments where you really feel, okay, we are now the people who no longer know
Es ist atemberaubend. Es sieht aus wie die Zukunft. Es ist unvorstellbar für mich, das selbst zu machen.
Du klingst schon extrem geplättet. Vielleicht, ich glaube, falls wir jemals eine Videoversion von fantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit machen würden, dann sind da zwei silly ducks wahrscheinlich.
Können wir vielleicht recherchieren, wie das geht.
I know how it works, I researched it a little bit. Of course there is software for it, free of charge and also for free. You probably need a relatively okay computer, because you have to recognize your face at the same time. Don't you have a new one? I now have a new absurd gamer PC.
What the challenge is, or what makes it so special, is that the whole thing has been made by people whose main job it is to build these figures. Yes, of course, it's so good.
You know, when I think about it, I think what the next generation is doing without us is such a difference. This is such a beautiful version of these metaverse fantasies that our generation might have had. A very bad implementation of it, where you sit as ugly people at the desk and get bored while the kids are having so much fun.
And with the Eiffel Tower in the background, Excel tables worked. Well, we had Microsoft Chat and it was designed by Jim Woodring. What? Yes, yes. I think we have to do something about that. Please. And of course, all additional information, this Vtubing is nothing new. Of course.
Sorry that we arrived decades too late. Then I actually have exactly the right song for it.
We'll hear each other again in a moment. Fantastic, late science.
He was a boy, she was a girl, can't make it any more obvious. He was a punk, she did ballet, what more can I say? He wanted her, she'd never tell, secretly she wanted him as well. But all of her friends suck up their nose, they had a problem with his baggy clue.
He was a skater boy, she said see you later boy He wasn't good enough for her She had a pretty face but her head was up in space She needed to come back down to earth Five years from now, she sits at home Feeding the baby, she's all alone Turns on TV, guess who she sees Skater boy rockin' up MTV
She calls up her friends, they already know And they've all got tickets to see the show She tags along and stands in the crowd Looks up at the man that she turned down He was a skater boy, she said see you later boy He wasn't good enough for her Now he's a superstar, slamming on his guitar Does your pretty face see what he's worth?
He was a skater boy, she said see you later boy He wasn't good enough for her Now he's a superstar, slamming on his guitar Does your pretty face see what he's worth? He's just a boy, and I'm just a girl Can I make it any more obvious? We are in love, haven't you heard? How we rock each other's warrior. I'm with a skater boy, said see you later boy. I'll be backstage after the show.
I'll be at a studio singing a song he wrote about a girl you used to know. I'm with a skater boy, said see you later boy. I'll be backstage after the show. I'll be at a studio singing a song he wrote about a girl you used to know.
And back to Phantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit. We have heard Carrie Zee, also a permanent guest in this show, from the album Satie, Complete Piano Works, Volume 10. Why are these titles always so crazy? Because they are crazy people that my bot always finds. They are crazy enough to publish it for free under free licenses on the Internet.
In this case we have attribution, non-commercial and share-like, i.e. extension under the same license. Complete piano. Okay, this is a reconstruction of Eric Satie's lost piano works by Carrie Z, including Psaume from 1895. I think psaume in French means psalm. And the reconstruction consists of a cover of the album Let Go by Avril Lavigne.
Okay.
But completely. Carrie uses a cover of Avril Lavigne's Let Go, Sk8er Boi, to reconstruct lost works by Eric Satis. And to transfer them into the modern world. Which were released 107 years earlier. Exactly. Avril Lavigne, 2002. So maybe of course... I'm completely blown away again. Anyway. Yeah, bye. So, it goes on.
Complicated. It goes on. Speaking of being too late with our topics for decades. My next topic is a computer game, video game. A very successful and I think very beloved game from 1997. Exactly between the Hale-Bob Comet and The Sun is Dark. And of course I completely forgot about it back then.
That's why I'm digging it out again now, because there is a remake of it at the moment, an actual remake of it, that you can now play again. And it's about Final Fantasy VII. Did you notice that back then?
I actually played the demo when the game came out completely new, in 1997. And that was my first encounter with role-playing in general, so that you collect points for your abilities and then do round-based fights with monsters, i.e. you switch hits alternately. And that was, I think, one of my first encounters. Switching hits.
Beautifully described, yes.
with J-things in general, so Japanese manga, anime, aesthetics and JRPGs, so Japanese RPGs. Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly, and it's now being re-decorated with modern graphics. But not just polished graphics, but generally a roundabout renewal has now been received. I'll tell you about the setting first. It's dystopian. It's going in the direction of cyberpunk, I'd say. It's a world in which there is magic. You can not only move swords alternately, but also throw fireballs at each other's heads.
And there are four energies that you can combine, like taste directions.
Exactly, fire, water and so on. And the whole thing plays in a huge metropolis, which also has a lot of technology. Aristoteles says melancholic, sanguine and so on. There are big robots, something like artificial suns.
And the whole thing is also dystopian because there is a kind of upper city for the rich people who live on the surface and then underneath, under such a large plate, the dark sub-city with slums where the rest of the population
has to live and the story revolves around a group of activists named Avalanche, that's what the group is called, who are active against a mega-company, as is customary in cyberpunk.
And in our world as well.
We'll get to that in a moment. It's an energy group called Shinra. This group is engaged in attacks on their energy reactors. Shinra is a company that sucks out the planet's energy to generate electricity and promote all these high-tech developments. And Avalanche is of the opinion that the planet will die because of this and they want to try to prevent that.
And as you already said, in this game you fight alone, together as a group against robots, but also against little monsters, also against people, namely the Shinra staff, so to speak, security people. They also built a kind of army that you fight. On the other hand, you also do small tasks for the people who live in this world. Oh no, my seven cats ran away from me.
Can't you help me get them back? With pleasure. Yes, exactly. And it's all a lot of fun. It's fighting, just like this little mission. And the most fun is actually the interaction between the people you play with. You are a group of people. Who also have relationships with each other.
Have relationships with each other, have a story, a past together, and as far as I understand, I know myself, everything has passed me by, but I think in Final Fantasy there are actually every time, it's not a continuous story, but there are people who come up again and again and the setting remains the same. In this game, the main character is called Cloud. Cloud Strife.
And I don't have the comparison to the original game from 1997. But as far as I've read, something has changed in terms of content. At first glance, it looks a bit cool. But you notice pretty quickly in this remake that he's actually a very insecure person. Especially when it comes to dealing with others. changed the course of the story, which I think makes the whole thing very sympathetic.
So the others who are still there, including two women named Tifa and Aerith, who always annoy or challenge Cloud a bit, but in a very nice way. I think, for example, because it's stealing at the beginning not to deal with it at all. If they want to give him a high five after you have successfully overcame such a fight, for example, and he's always like this.
This voice actor has to say a lot of such sounds, I think. He doesn't know that you have to hold your hand like that or that it can't do it on its own to do such social interactions. But over time it works better and better and the others are so patient with it. So when Klaus makes me look so stupid again, they just say something like Oh hey, no problem, we can try again next time.
And when it's finally after hours that he holds his hand up and you can clap it off, it's just such a nice experience. It's even better than defeating all these monsters. It's an incredibly great joy. What I'm particularly interested in in this game is what you've already touched on before and what I keep asking myself. Are there geese?
No, as you said, this group, it's not just like in cyberpunk, but also like in reality. And that's kind of something I have the feeling that comes, that's always in games, in films, in series. And where I don't really know how to sort that out, because it seems to me to be such a common
To be a topic, this fight of such underdogs against huge corporations that destroy the environment, violate human rights and so on, who have the monopoly, who have extreme power, who then already have their own soldiers and so on.
who are no longer regulated by governments because they have become so powerful and who are often represented in the media by evil, rich bosses who are the super villains that you have to fight. I find it interesting that, well, I wouldn't even say that it's overshadowed by the evil, because it's so close to what we know from our world, but maybe it's going in the direction of
They show more of their true face or something like that, so they have really big, ugly teeth or just say really bad things. And I always ask myself How does it work? It's such a popular, well-known game that millions of people like to play and are playing again today. What does that mean? Is that a kind of hope that people in the core
antipathy towards such a mega-company, or do they just get involved in the game? Because I can also get involved in things that I wouldn't be interested in in reality. Yes, because here it's just, I think it's a common topic, but here it comes to me particularly clearly. So there are really very clear words spoken.
For example, there is the fourth person in the group, is such a huge guy, his name is Barrett, who has a big machine gun instead of an arm. And then it's huge. And you're driving together in the subway and then you hear people talking about Shinra, so Shinra employees. And Barrett gets up in front of them and says, um, says so clear words to them, right?
So, ah, you work for these crap guys who bleed out our planet and, uh, uh, and also says something like, I don't know, somewhere... A good person who serves a great evil is not without sin. He must recognize and accept his complicity. He must open the eyes of truth that his group and his masters benefit from the suffering of the planet. So really blatant, blatant words.
who take me with them and motivate me in this game, in this fight to lead. I'm already wondering, how does that work for the million audience? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good point. So the boring answer is definitely that it's a mixture of many things. Oh no.
It's really boring.
The one reading style is to say, oh, that's definitely an idea by Schindler. So like with us now, let's say, let's take Disney or Microsoft is maybe a good example, which also belongs to game companies. And then they think, We have to channel the anger of people. And that's why we actually promote self-critical things, where you think, hey, you don't really see what you're producing.
It's all about About how bad things like Microsoft are. Or why does Fox still produce... No, not anymore. Why did Fox produce The Simpsons when The Simpsons are extremely anti-Fox?
Or the Barbie movie. Exactly. Or the Avatar movie. I don't know if that exists.
I don't know to what extent that corresponds to reality, but it would fit a contemporary reading style where everything is actually worse than we could imagine. And maybe the softer reading styles are that people So they like to play something that they actually don't dare to do in real life. They think, oh, I wouldn't like to order from Amazon anymore, but it's just so convenient. Yes.
Or, um, yeah, but Tesla makes good cars. And so, and... Okay.
That frustrates me a lot. But still, while you're playing Final Fantasy VII Remake, you can hand it over to them.
Yes, that's how I do it.
That's probably how I do it.
That's how we all do it. So to different intensities, but it's very difficult to tell everyone. Our energy, you can only choose where it comes from and so on. And after all, Well, I've reached a point here where I can categorically reject something for the first time. Apropos futurism and stuff that we're getting into now.
And the first thing where I say to myself, no, no, no, or the second, actually there are two things. One is, Crypto, so currencies, not encryption, hello, that's good. Cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin, the whole NFT sauce was relatively easy to say no to and crystallized relatively quickly that it was really a stupid idea where no one can and wants to be taken seriously anymore. And the other thing is
KI, in quotation marks, chatbots, where I can just say, no, no, no, no, no, I can't figure it out. And I find everyone stupid who uses them. So there you have it, dear audience. And it's surprisingly close to when the bigger companies that are doing this, like Microsoft, are thinking like, hmm, no, no, yeah, yeah, we need our own nuclear power plant. And that doesn't create a big uproar anymore.
And I think to myself, hmm. So Final Fantasy is relatively harmless.
Yes, somehow. Somehow. But it's very close. Because I think that they generate
So I understand it like this, I think they would have to, this planet, so it has such a magical life energy, I forgot what it's called, I think they wouldn't have to exhaust it to cover their basic need for energy, but I think for these special new technologies that they want to have, these robots and all that, they have set up these reactors for that. It's pretty much one to one.
And they're going to blow it up now.
They are. Yeah, just that we're either too comfortable or it's just too late because they're all in the bag and rebelling against them is very difficult and dangerous. Um, okay.
Yes.
Now I'm sad. Oh no. Not as often in this show.
Do we have a happy topic next?
Um...
I can still recommend the game very much. It's always going on. That was now quasi the, the, they put it on in three parts.
Yes, right.
The second one is now there, then comes another one and I'm running away now.
Yes, all right. I would say that after the next song we will continue with computer games and take care of Kaizo. That also fits very well with Risoro, because it's about speedruns. But until then we will hear Yes, maybe that fits quite well. We hear... Oh, that even fits very well. From Bella Donna Ciao. The song Superfund.
Sleeping round a barrel fire in the Super Fun Site Cause you chewed me out and you were probably right So we'll have Chalk Collar Bucket Fights all night Chalk Collar Bucket Fights all night I'm gonna strum this Bandra with all my soul Can't remember the words this deep in a K-hole Let's fuck this place up before we get too old
Let me fuck it up before I get too old And I'm not gonna try to pretend that I knew how to be a good girlfriend I just wish this river would never end Now I hope this river might never end. Cause who needs a job when we got each other? He made 13 beans too, oh we were calling him mother. Ain't it funny how much he looked just like my brother?
Ain't it funny how you called me a worthless motherfucker? Cause I'm a burden, not a lover Oh, I'm a BPD loser If that's who you see when you look at me Then why the fuck did you ever choose her? So catch me if you can, I'm going home Catch me if you can, nowhere is home Catch me if you can. Nowhere is home. And I'm going home.
Take care, I'm going home. Bye. That was Blah Blah Blah Ciao. Album Lampen. Song Superfund. And that's not Superfundi, but Superfund is the probably extremely American term for when poison waste was buried in mines.
I didn't want to do something springy.
But it fits so well. Fuck it up before I get too old. Found it here on Bandcamp. Under the license Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike. By the way, in the background again from Joan Gabriel. From the album Almighty The Human Brain. Also under Creative Commons Attribution. I thought I had something else to say. No, I don't have anything. Okay, very good.
Oh yes, I was happy to read the instrument that Bladonna plays, namely a banjolele.
Banjolele? Half banjo, half ukulele.
I think so. So, I threatened Kaizo. Kaizo, was that a term for you before?
No.
Kaizo is a Japanese word. It means conversion, reconstruction, rearmament.
And it refers to... It's been around for decades, but we're discovering it now.
Yeah, weird. The year numbers are similar to the V-Tubing. Maybe. No coincidence. So, that means, roughly speaking, that people took the game, especially Super Mario, and then built levels themselves with the tool. which is not available to normal people, but that it was actually somehow, somewhere acquired.
Nowadays it is perhaps more widespread, when people make mods and additional levels for computer games. There was Super Mario Maker, for example, which was made exactly for that, that I can click together on my Nintendo Switch. Here comes a platform and here comes a tube and here comes a flower and so on. Kaizo There are several real numbers in the wikipedia article. I think the end of the 90s.
I think even the 80s was there somewhere.
2007 in Japan and then 2015 in the west.
So probably west of Japan. became more famous, I would say. There are videos that have been clicked a little more, roughly speaking. And the attraction is not that people have built particularly beautiful or exciting levels, but simply incredibly heavy ones. A bit like Do you remember when we had a level editor in the 90s for the game Micro Machines 2?
Where you control small cars, miniature cars, from above, over a desk. A desk in the bathroom, over the billiard table, you fall into the holes. Then we could build things ourselves. And as a child, I also thought, oh, I can make the surface smooth and icy. Okay, let's do the push on impact. Oh, I can make extremely tight curves. Oh yes, yes, that's in zigzag then.
Only that we didn't have anyone who was so lucky to be able to really play through it.
Exactly, that's the problem. So... You actually summed it up pretty well. End. Okay. Here it's like this, that I actually find people who can not only play these insanely difficult levels, but also perfect them and play them through in record time. That means, actually, Kaizo...
First of all, it means that only people make extremely difficult levels, but actually I think it has to include the other.
Yes, because everyone can make extremely difficult levels. But does this also belong to the level of Oh, sorry. Also from Super Mario, where there are these terrible traps, where such a string of fireballs circulates and where then hundreds of them somehow had to go through a piece.
Yes, just that they are even more dense and you have to learn the timing practically by heart and it becomes more of a rhythm game than a I run and jump where it makes sense game. And then there is also the fact that you have to use strategies that are not actually foreseen. Like, for example, Mario can carry a turtle tank with him and throw it away again.
And if you do that exactly on 1.6 seconds, then you can jump off this turtle again on the flight. And then it also includes that you fly around this obstacle, the turtle, jumps to the left and right and down again and then you catch them again and keep pushing them around with you. Something like that.
That's Kaizo. You can...
It's actually hard to imagine. I recommend you to just click around a bit on YouTube. There are a lot of them now. And it's not just that hard anymore, but there has been a balance, I would say. More on that in a moment. One more thing that comes with it. It's a hindrance. There is the concept of invisible blocks.
And then it's like built-in jokes that you jump and you think, oh wow, I've just managed to hit this insanely thin hole here. And then you bump into an invisible block.
So that's how it is.
And that this hindrance and community... In my opinion, it has crystallized into something that I would call humor expressed through level design. With a primary audience of one person and then a secondary audience that looks at it again. So a strange media construct that I wasn't aware of before. There's also something with slapstick added.
And it gets even better when we have comments from people who actually did it and also know. And also explain to me why, what is the attraction and what is the difficulty. So again, such a meta level. Oh interesting.
I think it reminds me a little bit of when I think back in time. There have always been very difficult games. Actually, the games were much more difficult in the past, I would say. Completely right, yes.
Especially this humor reminds me a bit of text adventures that there were, which I think also play with the fact that you actually drop the players and what is very inviting and obvious then actually leads to immediate death.
That, for example, I think that, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that
So in the direction it went, it was mega difficult and it was just mean, but still in a fun way, because that was always a joke, so to speak, in these communities.
Only with the fact that you have to play through the whole game again to get to that point.
Exactly, you also have to become an extreme player and start a hundred times until you get through it.
So what has changed now is that... That's taken out. You always start shortly before and it's about this endless repetition. And that's not built in now to... Back then it was often to extend the playing time, because I paid 60 marks for this Nintendo game. And there wasn't a lot of internet yet, so people can't really talk about how annoying it all is.
And now everything has become much more accessible and simple. It's still hard for me, I'm pretty bad at it. Let's listen to one of my favorite Kaizo speedruns with comments.
All right. Oh, yeah, something else I should probably mention. You might be noticing that when you go off the bottom of the screen, you end up back at the top. This entire level is screen wrap, so it has a lot of very unique setups.
That includes other sprites like these dolphins, so they can appear from the bottom of the screen with the water being on the top because they are required to have water underneath them. All right.
This is probably the hardest room, I would say. Yeah. The cave room.
Got to focus.
Yeah. I mean, none of these rooms are easy. You got this.
Gotta focus, she says, walking off a ledge. This one does. That's how I focus. Don't judge me.
Very wily coyote behavior. Is that an old reference?
Uh, yes.
Is that a boomer joke? Sweetheart, you are so old. Oh, no. But I'm wearing a backwards cap. How old could I be? How do you do, fellow kids?
Yeah, that was an excerpt from Gamestown Quick, an event for speedrunning that collects money for charity against... for clipswashing. 2024 Summer Games Don't Quick, we heard. The game is called Super Sonic Saves the World World, so Super Mario World, which replaces Mario with Sonic Saves the World.
It's not just extra levels built, but also all the characters are exchanged, extra music inserted and things programmed. We hear Shoujo, who plays it. The level is made by Maddy69XO24. And we heard that it sounded more like a Zoom connection and the other people sat on the commentator's couch. It's all recorded in front of the audience.
And that has a bit more of an exhibition effect with more commentary, more nonsense, more nonsense. If you listen to it, people just do it for themselves and concentrate and it's not that fun. And I think I've looked at it three or four times now. For me, it's hypnotic, because I see it and I can roughly feel how incredibly difficult it is.
And you see how Shoujo plays it through with a sovereignty and speed. That's for me really, as you said before, these are superhuman abilities that they have here. Unbelievable. And I still tried to find a comparison. My big pitch is that the Olympics and world championships should be much more oriented towards these speed runs. It should all be for charity.
It's not about anything, it's just about the honor, in quotation marks. Just show how good we are and you make a funny comment about it.
Sport sports have to be a little more fun.
Sport sports have to be a little more fun. And I think the best comparison I've come across is when it's like Uh, like snooker, but trick shots, maybe. Yeah. Where people would do challenges together and maybe change the table.
Yeah. Yeah, it's actually like... Yes, maybe like All Stars episodes from reality competitions, where you actually watch it normally because it's difficult challenges that people hardly manage, which is also exciting. But it's kind of a pleasure to see when they invite people. Ah, like in the NBA, there's that too. Where they don't just play, but also have these nonsense events.
Who meets the most three from the other half of the field and so on. So yes, maybe it goes in that direction.
Good, then we solved that. Next Olympia, please.
What I'm also interested in is the degree of difficulty of the games, because I think there are these interesting two directions in which it goes. I was just saying that games used to be much more difficult, because ... I don't know. I actually don't have an answer to that. And today, I think, there are these two trends. On the one hand, it's about giving people a chance
that don't have superhuman skills, also have fun playing. So often you have different difficulty grades that you can choose from, especially when playing roles or something like that, where some people would rather like to experience this story, but without having great finger skills.
Um, and on the other hand, this, uh, exactly, so there are often options, but at the other end of the scale there are also extremely difficult difficulties, right, where you then, You have to play through everything without dying, because otherwise you have to start from the beginning and you don't have any, all the tools are scratched and so on.
Which is kind of exciting, because one goes in the direction of making it more low-key, more barrier-free and so on, and the other direction is You go into this direction of enjoying that some people, maybe you yourself in some games, but otherwise that there are some people who get so good at it that it's just a pleasure to look at it, right?
Yes, who would have thought that computers are able to change things dynamically? We're listening to Alice Lesoiseau.
Merde, les oiseaux ont encore cassé tous les arbres Merde, encore une fois Les oiseaux, les oiseaux, les oiseaux, les oiseaux, les oiseaux Thank you.
And back to Phantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit. Here it comes again. I just read the lyrics.
Yeah, what's the title again?
Les über die Vögel? Les über die Vögel. And this part here... It always says, uh, lyrics. You get the, uh. That was Alice, found here on Bandcamp. Under license, creative commons, attribution, not commercial, no derivatives, no remixes. As tag it has... Haha, gangster rap in it. I brought along a similar riddle, an audio riddle.
I would say we just listen to it right away before I say anything about it. And you and the audience have to guess what it is. What is it? What is futuristic?
I think... how you vacuum in the garden and in the beginning a lot of stones come in and then it's vacuumed.
I've always wondered how it would be to vacuum in the garden. Somehow it's stuck with me as such an idea.
And that's why you did this recording for the first time.
That's not it. Is it a household appliance?
So it's in the household, but it's not common. But it's a device. In your household? In our household.
So it's not common in any household, but it's taken up in our household now.
Yes, okay. So you don't have that, that was a guest with you, this device.
I'll just leave it in the loop in the background now. Loop is already maybe... Loop?
Did you borrow that somewhere?
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Wow, what could that be?
Oh, I thought you already knew. Very good.
Is that a treatment? It's a kind of device for a kind of physiotherapy.
Yes, yes. Namely...
But it doesn't sound like electricity now, as we call it.
Yes, no, it's not electricity. So it's not EMST. We've already talked about that in the show. So it's not the electrons that you connect to muscles that then twitch.
It's more like shaking to train the muscles. More in that direction. But does that sound like shaking? Not really. You are massaged.
What kind of physiotherapeutic treatment options are there?
Oh, a lot. Fango. That doesn't sound right.
A lot more basic.
Manual therapy.
I always wondered what that was supposed to be. Not every therapy. Maybe this therapy is not manual. Not manual. But automatic. With an automatic. But you are moved. You are moved. Moved back and forth. Warmer.
It's a kind of small crane that drives the leg around.
Perfect. That's exactly what it is.
In a sling.
It's more like a scale, I would say. It's a structure that you place under your leg and it's there to bend your knee very controlled. So you lie down, you put your leg on it. And your calf goes up until your knee joint is bent exactly 60, 70, 80 degrees. And that's what it does in a rhythm of about 30 seconds up, 30 seconds down. That's what you hear in the background.
And that's what it does over a kind of a wind or whatever that's called. So a snail.
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And it's very easy to transport, both in the clinic and at home. CPM is the abbreviation for Continuous Passive Motion and means Continuous Passive Mobilization. CPM motor tracks are devices that passively move their joints. And it looks like from an older time. It also looks a bit like an industrial robot.
Like steampunk.
Mmm, yeah, like 80s steampunk. There's a huge remote on a huge cable, where you can use the buttons. Legs up, legs down. Legs up, legs down. Exactly. More like it would hang on a hydraulic press, where you can use motor blocks.
So you could theoretically build it out of Lego technology and pneumatics. Much cheaper. No, who knows. At the LEGO prices nowadays.
That's right. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's exactly what it is. And it's a household robot, isn't it? Yes. Which I think is probably very, very widespread, but which we motorists don't necessarily have on the screen, although it plays a big role in many people's world. Yes, good improvement on this. Yes, it's getting better now. Thanks to KineTac.
Thank you.
Don't know.
And back to Phantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit with a bit of... I would call it math rock, although it's more... Math? Math.
Math?
Yes, where you need a lot of skill, almost like a Kaiserspieler, because the chords are so complicated and the rhythms are 7 eighths to 13 twelfths. The band Palm, from Philadelphia, which just came out with the album Shadow Expert. We've heard of it... Where is it? Trying! By the way, the album is called Nicks and Grazes, which is even more fitting for Palm, my Lisa. Nicks and Grazes, right?
So, craters and craters that you roll down a mountain, right? That you pull yourself up. Here under the license, Creative Commons Attributions. Not commercial, share alike, continue to work under the same license. Du hast noch ein Thema dabei? Have I heard?
Yes, just a little note about our experience center.
Right.
My experience museum tour. We heard about the Lego House, the Wreckinger, the Harald Blauzahn Center. I actually visited one with Katrin in our little vacation. Ah, I also received a little feedback from Katrin, who heard our episode.
She also said that we should finally use pop shooters like Wreckinger.
We have one now. Can you hear it?
You can guess who opened it.
That's our audio riddle. No, she didn't say that. She found our question interesting. I had evaluated the experience centers with 5 out of 5 for fun and 3 out of 5 for experience. She said, and I asked her, does it have to be like that? Do you have to learn something in the museum, do you have to learn something in the museum of experience?
She said it's actually an interesting question, because actually you often think, if it's not called an experience museum, but just a museum, you think first of all of an art museum. And she said, do you learn something there or is it not an experience either? And is that a difference at all?
Oh, that's a great question. I think there was an article in the taz about it. I think art is always asked in times of crisis. Does everything have to be activist now? And that's a question I'm asking myself right now. That's why I didn't stop making art. That's too difficult. Cannot compute. Yes, okay. And did she have a solution for us now?
No, she said, but I thought the point was good that these are actually also experience centers, right? Normally, even if they don't really mean it, but I think it's a completely correct term for it, right? You experience the art.
Absolutely. I think that's the primary way of it. Or at least that's how I look at art. I go there to let it affect me or to have fun. And first and foremost to learn something. Although the other thing is also learning about the world, about myself, my perception and so on. It's all... Actually, an experience museum is a... Pleonasm.
I wanted to say the other one, but you said the right one. The third one, the center in which we were, is called Ecolariat.
Does that have something to do with Öko?
Yes, it is a sustainability museum, also in Vejle, in this city, in Denmark. And it actually has such a focus, I think, it looked like workshops and activities for groups, for classes and so on, because with many things we couldn't do that directly, there were just appointments where you could register. But there were also a lot of cool things to try out yourself. Two I want to mention here.
One was also pretty blatant. There were sometimes these little doors that you open to find information behind it. I opened one and there were just a lot of them. Living bees. That was like a door behind a glass. That was outside, I didn't understand. You open the door to the outside and there's an insect hotel. That was really nice.
You can get the shock of your life.
Yes, there were also quite a few worms there on the subject of sustainable food, which we already had, and possible burgers and such.
And then came out of the next one a cake or a boxing glove. Maybe, of course I didn't dare to take it anymore.
But the two things that I actually tell were like this. I found it quite futuristic in terms of content and partly also technical. The first was a large physical 3D model, a relief that you often have from the area, from the city where we were and the landscape around it. And sometimes it's like a projector on it and lights up certain information.
You then press buttons and you can... I also like to use projection mapping these days, where it's not just running around, but also sometimes using the shapes and stuff.
Yes, exactly. That's what it was like. And you could get into different things there. But there was also a big button that said Storm Flood. And when you pressed it, a little spectacle started, because it was then shown to you, this place is by the sea, and it was shown to you what consequences it would have if a storm were to come at the moment. and the city would flood.
And we had already seen something by chance before. So we already knew a few things that were depicted on this relief. Because this city has already implemented some measures. For example, Swamp City, which you hear again and again, that it would be a good thing if you don't seal everything up, but have a few branches and so on, like a sponge. And they targeted a few things.
They were in a small park where there was a pretty deep meadow, even with pumps that you can look at there. And here on this 3D map you could look at it in two variants. This storm-flood scenario once with these measures And once without. And without you then saw, okay, the water is getting higher and higher, actually everything goes down.
And with the sponge city measures you saw, okay, that will flow hopefully. to say if the calculation is correct, then in these areas and can be pumped there and so that the consequences are far less devastating. And I thought that was a pretty cool, very concrete demonstration of this concept, because so far it has been quite abstract in my head with these swamps. But here I found that
Yes, very obvious, because you are in this city right now. And if we hadn't already done it, we could have gone there afterwards and looked at these areas and pumps and stuff in the city. Ah, yes. To see how that works exactly. So...
I recently tried to construct something like this for myself out of my own interest. There are many places, places There are maps available, geoinformation system maps, where you can read the altitude meters. It's very simple.
But also with us there is something where you can type in an address and then you can see where in the last x years the fire brigade had to pump out cellars and where they are sinking. And that's pretty spooky when you try to comprehend it with your very limited geographic, geological, geostatic brain. So what if it rains now? Ah, you see, you would actually have needed this simulation.
Yes, yes, only that it is probably cut exactly on this model. So something automatic would be very useful there. Or, well, such a communication tool would be very useful to hold everyone under the nose and say, look what happened in Valencia. It can also happen to us easily and the probability increases, unfortunately. And where is my swarm now? Exactly.
And maybe we shouldn't build this parking lot now.
Yes, I guess in a while they have now set it up because it's not so spooky anymore, because you can see, okay, we have these measures now, cool, okay, now we can look at how well we are protected, whereas if you would build this up here and just show how everything would go down. Very creepy. But it would also be useful, of course.
The second thing we played was a big screen where you could sit and play an Xbox gamepad. to play with it. And that was also a 3D model of the city, through which you could move through from the ego perspective. And that reminded me a lot of Wave Function Collapse, which we played together here. Visually, it all looked like white plaster blocks.
Rough squares.
Stairs.
Vestibules.
Exactly. But you can feel the real buildings and if you steer it, you can not only walk around, but also climb up, look from above or get closer to the city, move in any direction you want. And I think the primary purpose was to have a discussion about a new part of the city that is currently being designed. And you can look at the plans for it and imagine it.
But that didn't tell us much because we don't live there. But we were also able to look at these Swamp City things again virtually. And I found it particularly cool that we also discovered things in this model. that were just interesting for us as tourists, so to speak, that we wouldn't have discovered on Google Maps or an open street map, because we wouldn't have seen how cool they look.
So, for example, such a special long steps that go into the water. Or there was also a step that was so high and led around the forest and so on, which looked really impressive from that perspective. And we were able to discover the things that looked interesting to us. And I wished there were more of those, because it was really cool to see what else we want to look at.
In the city, unfortunately, we felt pretty bad about it, because it was very motion sickness. But otherwise, I think it's very recommended for such visitor centers.
What I like to do in this direction is to use the 3D functionality of Google Maps or other Maps services, where you can clip everything and it gets better and better. And then you see, it already achieves this real reality effect. And how I would like to expand this now, of course, is simply to draw a water mirror.
Combine the two things. Combine the two things. Yes, yes, yes.
Ha, beautiful and sad. Again, it goes on.
So, what kind of ratings did I have? Fun, a three out of five. Learn.
Five? Five. Five, yes, yes, yes, okay, very good. All right. We listen to music from Leipzig. Uh, Pleike? It's not about winning.
This is the genesis of an utopia. Potential success in the sense of standing up and a voice against the hierarchy. Revolution through mental anarchy. Realness, was ist die Wirklichkeit? Ich kann dir zumindest sagen, wie man authentisch schreit. Maske abgelegt, auf majoristisch inszenierten Weg hab ich kaum noch gesehen. Blut unterlaufen, augenstechende Tränen weggewischt, blattgeschafft.
Ich gab ihnen alles und sie nahmen mir meine Kraft. Hab mich von den Fesseln befreit, Leben ist Theater, doch längst keine Schauspielerei. Let my vision grow on it and my vision grow. I sit so long behind this piece of paper, realize until I sense the reality that arose from it. It's not about winning, that's the genesis of a utopia.
Potential success in the sense of reasoning and voices against the hierarchy revolutionize through mental anarchy. I found him, the place between the words on the walls. This city, our hope, gives us inspiration and makes us never full. Outro Music über so reales Existieren. Zwei Welten, zwei Weisen, eine keinem zeigen.
Ambivalenz im Charakter wie zwei Seiten der Medaille zieht die Augen auf mich in meine vereine Träume mit Reimen. Problem? Es hat das unsichere Sicherheitssystem. Fühlt sich manchmal an wie auf nem Weg voller Tretminen zu gehen.
Lass nicht so dicht ran an dich, was dich zerbricht Am harte Schale weiche Kern Doch wenn die Türen sich öffnen, haben sie die Macht Sich in Gedanken festzusetzen, meinen Willen zu brechen Versuchen sie die Lösung meiner Reaktion zu errechnen Selbsttherapie, sagst du's gefährlich, da ich mich gut kenne Bin ich ziemlich ehrlich zu mir selbst, ja Abgeklärt, Gott hat es erklärt, dass die Klärung des erschwerten Tiefe Klarheit verstärkt, Worte erwecken
Benzien. P.G.H. Nothing stands above me. Expand my strength like a sprouting green under global warming. There is only one thing that can break me, love. Maybe you understand what I mean, if you have ever tried to unite hell with heaven. I have never fit on any of your sides. And what does not fit, will not fit anymore. My thoughts let sparks spread, to seduce deeper thinking.
Touch the soul of one another in this depth. There is still a lot of space in my own area, which is enough to grow and grow. Apply at the right time and please, not force but want. Think, breathe, think, breathe, thought, out. And back to the last time here at Phantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit. We just heard Pleike from Leipzig
If I'm not totally wrong, from the album Schnapps oder Waffe. Is that right? Yes, under Creative Commons Attribution, share a like license. By the way, we also heard from Rose Azerti, also a permanent guest on this show with the song I Want To Be Alone under Creative Commons Attribution. And I would say now in the background we have something from Carrie Z, Gnossienne No. 6 from 1897.
I have to listen to the whole album. I think it's relatively... it doesn't have a lot of Avril Lavigne in it this time. So, I saw something. And maybe as a counterweight to where we always go after extreme things. It's something brand new. A film from 2024, the most successful film so far from the streaming provider MUBI, which took over the sales here.
The director was Coralie Farge, one of the, I read, French extremists, extreme directors. The directors who do extreme things. In the main roles, Dennis Quaid, who I didn't recognize again, who looks very leathery. Margaret Qualley, who I knew from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And Demi Moore, who we probably all know, at least the people who are visual like us.
We spontaneously watched the film on Empfehlum without even reading anything about it. And it was an interesting experience. There's a joke that says that titles, posters and genre are actually spoilers. And in that case I would have liked to have read that the genre is horror. Because we just stumbled into it so unprepared. The genre is more like body horror.
You could say that this is body horror the movie. What is body horror? Horror movies that are about how ugly the body is and how vulnerable the whole thing is. It's about Hollywood, it's about aging, it's about beauty operations, it's about how actresses age and then get bullied. Demi Moore plays Elizabeth Sparkles, but also somehow herself.
Elizabeth Sparkles is actually ten years younger than Demi Moore actually is. She plays an Oscar winner who then has an aerobics show on television and then is supposed to be replaced.
Have you already said the title of the film?
THE SUBSTANCE. The substance, the liquid maybe. This is being added to her, that there is something that is the substance. And this is the science fiction idea here. This is a medium that you inject and that divides you into two people. One old, as you are now supposedly, and one young. And that's Margaret Qualley. I'm trying to make it as spoiler-free as possible here.
If you don't want to, cover your ears now. And the Margaret Qualley person slips out of Demi Moore. Even more literally than that already sounds. And they have to alternate. One person sleeps for a week and has to be fed with an infusion.
Like in the Matrix.
Like in the Matrix. So she's at the top and the other one experiences her best possible life, so to speak. The young person, Margaret Corley, can then slip into the young role, replaces herself as Demi Moore. In addition, you have to drink backwater every day and then miss out on life energy. And if that breaks, you have to hold on to it.
If you steal time, bad things happen, which I'm not going into right now. And then there's also the fact that you are one. You are one. Blended into such an advertising aesthetic. That's not quite right, because they don't necessarily have the memory of what the other person is doing, but it's a bit semi-unspoken how it all happens. Nevertheless, it's all relatively stringent, I would say.
More on that in a moment. It's very Dorian Gray. What does that mean? It's a story that I've never read before, that I always see as a bittersweet one.
It's about... You have a picture at home... Ah, the picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... The picture of the... a lot of role models.
David Cronenberg, the master of body horror, but also a lot of David Lynch, Eraserhead 1 to 1, Elephant Man 1 to 1. There's also a lot of Kubrick in the way it's filmed and the extreme scenes of Kubrick are represented in Clockwork Orange. And I was partly distracted by it. I try to decode the references and find out where it comes from. It's still very good, I think.
It's a movie where I've never had to watch so much because I've rarely seen so much crazy stuff. It's almost like watching a movie as a king. I think I once reported about the 3D movie Love 3D, which is basically a 3D porn with all the body fluids you can imagine. But that's a bit more, I would say.
I have a book at home, called The Art of the Subversive Film, where it's a lot about films from the 70s.
Where on the title there is this cut-out eye.
Exactly, the classic example. The film would fit in there 100%. Films that I haven't seen many of and now I know, ah, that's what it's about. Suspiria is maybe another good example. Or Carrie.
It's going to be completely different.
Yeah, exactly. And I think the science fiction part is solved quite well. Because of the concept, which is quite well conveyed, with product design and so on, because the whole film also has advertising aesthetics. And it actually excites this concept. It presents the mechanics, which is relatively clear. Maybe not one hundred percent, you already ask yourself, and how is that now, why?
But let's say 90 percent. And what makes it good is that you don't ask yourself in the end, oh, what would have happened if we had done that? It really excites this mechanic to the end. The other thing is, in what extent is this now exploitation for exploitation's sake and what does it tell us about The world. And then to the last question, what does it bring us?
Is it supposed to be or is it just an experience? And of course it's somewhere in between. Recommendation for all people who don't have a problem with really super crass, disgusting movies. For everyone else it's too hard. I'm almost, so we've almost turned it off, we've watched it to the end.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Yes, I think that's a movie that I would probably only be able to watch on purpose. Just like we used to watch it on purpose.
At the Fantasy Film Festival, which is actually what fantasy means, but there are not so many fantasy films per year and then they show a lot of, that's not the reason, but there's also a lot of science fiction, but also a lot of horror and disgusting stuff, I would just call it that. with such vanishing borders in between.
And then it happened to me a few times that I saw in such films that I didn't necessarily see coming. But whether I would now choose the movie.
Read the genre. I will definitely do it every time now. That was it for this week at Fantastische Wissenschaftlichkeit. We now listen to the conclusion again. I would say again from Carrie Z. Complicated from 1895. Thank you for tuning in. We'll hear each other again in four weeks. I was Akuba, you are Marta.
Bye.
When you're driving in the car And you're talking to me one on one But you become somebody else from everyone else You're watching your back like you can't relax You're trying to be cool, you look like a fool to me Tell me why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? I see the way you're acting like you're somebody else gets me mistreated.
A life's like this, you fall and you crawl and you break and you take and you get and you turn into honesty amongst me and I'm never gonna find you. like you're something else where you are and where it's at you see you're making me laugh when you strike your pose take off all your preppy Tell me why you have to go and make things so complicated. I see the way you're acting.
Something else gets me frustrated. Life's like this here. You fall, you crawl, you break, you take, you get, you turn it into a secret.
Lay back, it's all been done And if you could only let it be You would see somebody else from everyone else You watch in your back like you can't relax You try to be cool, you look like a fool to me Tell me why you have to go and make things so complicated See the way you're acting like you're somebody else gets me frustrated Likes like this you
Follow me, come with me Take me with you, turn me with you Until I'm free, you cross me And everything's fine with me