Decoder with Nilay Patel
Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype
Mon, 09 Sep 2024
Today, I’m talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the industry. Anthropic’s main product right now is Claude, the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT. Mike has a fascinating resume: he was the cofounder of Instagram, and then started AI-powered newsreader Artifact. I was a fan of Artifact, so I wanted to know more about the decision to shut it down as well as the decision to sell it to Yahoo. And then I wanted to know why Mike decided to join Anthropic and work in AI — an industry with a lot of investment, but very few consumer products to justify it. What’s this all for? Links: Instagram co-founder Mike Krieger is Anthropic’s new chief product officer | The Verge Instagram’s co-founders are shutting down their Artifact news app | The Verge Yahoo resurrects Artifact inside a new AI-powered News app | The Verge Authors sue Anthropic for training AI using pirated books | The Verge The text file that runs the internet | The Verge Anthropic’s crawler is ignoring websites’ anti-AI scraping policies | The Verge Golden Gate Claude | Anthropic Inside the white-hot center of AI doomerism | New York Times Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, on the paradoxes of AI safety | Hard Fork No one’s ready for this | The Verge OpenAI announces SearchGPT, its AI-powered search engine | The Verge Amazon-backed Anthropic rolls out Claude AI for big business | CNBC Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24001603 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the entire industry.
Anthropic was started in 2021 by former OpenAI executives and researchers who wanted to build a more safety-minded AI company, which I have to point out is a real theme among people who leave OpenAI. Something to think about. Anthropic's main product right now is Claude, which is the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT.
Like other major AI companies, Anthropic has billions in funding from some of the biggest names in tech, primarily Amazon. But at the same time, Anthropic does have a distinct and intense safety culture. The company is notable for employing some people who legitimately worry that AI might destroy mankind. And I wanted to ask Mike how that tension plays out in product design.
On top of that, Mike has a pretty fascinating history. If you're a longtime tech fan, you likely know him as the co-founder of Instagram. a company he started with Kevin Systrom before selling it to Facebook, now Meta, for a billion dollars back in 2012. That was an eye-popping amount of money back then, and the deal turned Mike into founder royalty basically overnight.
Mike left Meta in 2018, and a few years later he started to dabble in AI, but not quite the type of AI we talk about all the time on Decoder. Instead, Mike and Kevin launched Artifact, an AI-powered newsreader that did some very interesting things with recommendation algorithms and aggregation.
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