Josh Mankiewicz and Blayne Alexander sit down to talk about Josh's episode "Under the Bay Bridge." When tech mogul Bob Lee was stabbed to death in San Francisco, it seemed to be another example of big-city crime. Investigators quickly learned the crime was far more personal, but would their theory of what actually took place put Bob Lee’s accused killer behind bars? Blayne and Josh discuss what they think the security video of Lee's last moments really shows and what it means to "code hard, play hard." Plus, they answer some of your audio questions.Listen to the full episode of "Under the Bay Bridge" on Apple: https://apple.co/4hQU1J3Listen to the full episode on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/16ZYQRrdSMeklpXLnbU7ch
What is the Dateline episode 'Under the Bay Bridge' about?
Hi, everyone. It's Blaine Alexander and we are talking Dateline. I'm joined today by Josh Mankiewicz to discuss his episode Under the Bay Bridge. Now, if you haven't seen it, it's the episode right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed. So make sure to go there, listen to it or stream it on Peacock and then come right back here.
Now, just to recap, when tech executive Bob Lee was fatally stabbed in 2023 on the streets of San Francisco, concerns grew over violence in the city. Investigators discovered that the crime was actually far more personal, involving the suspected killer's sister, allegations of sexual abuse, and a rather convoluted theory of the potential motive.
Well, for this talking dateline, we also have an extra clip about the star witness in the trial, Kazar Momini, and what it was like for Bob Lee's brother to watch her take the stand and defend the man accused of killing him. All right, Josh, let's talk Dateline. How are you doing? I am good, my friend. How are you doing? Good, good. Great to see you.
So my first question, actually, this one came to me as I was watching. A lot of time in the Dateline world, our stories don't necessarily make national news before we air them on Dateline, right? Right. Our audience is hearing about them for the very first time when we bring them the story. This was clearly the opposite. This is a story that I remember when it first happened.
I remember watching it. We covered it so heavily on NBC. How does that change your process, either the storytelling process or even just kind of how does that impact when you're trying to get people to do interviews with you?
Well, it makes booking interviews a little more difficult because when you're the only people covering a story, it's much easier to deal with the people that you're trying to book for an interview because they don't have 100 other requests. But the thing that makes covering a national story on Dateline difficult is.
that it can sort of rob us of one of the things that we need for Dateline, which is sort of the suspense. So in this case, you have a certain base of knowledge out there among the public. The thing that really I thought helped us in this is that, first of all, we covered the trial and we're airing pretty close after the trial ended. It was just a couple of weeks ago.
And we have one more advantage, which is sort of what you thought You, the viewer, what you thought when this happened turns out to be not really the story that was there. You know, a lot of people saw that video of Bob Lee stumbling around downtown San Francisco and then sort of didn't really connect with anything after that because, you know, just the general flow of news.
They remember, oh, yeah, that guy got stabbed in San Francisco where the crime is so terrible. That's sort of what what people thought. And then it turns out, of course, it really wasn't that at all.
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