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Sean Combs: Kid Cudi takes the stand.

Fri, 23 May 2025

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The artist and onetime romantic rival of Combs testified that after Combs found out he'd been dating Cassie Ventura, he broke into his house and unwrapped his Christmas presents. A few weeks later, someone dropped a Molotov cocktail through the roof of Kid Cudi's car. Combs has denied involvement in both incidents.To get caught up on the Combs trial and stay on top of news from the courtroom, listen to our daily episodes at Dateline: True Crime Weekly.And if you want to read NBC's coverage, check out our newsletter, “Diddy On Trial”: NBCNews.com/Diddy 

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Chapter 1: What is the focus of the Sean Combs trial?

0.748 - 19.917 Andrea Canning

Hey, everyone. Andrea Canning here with a bonus drop from the Dateline True Crime Weekly team. For the next eight weeks or so, we'll be bringing you daily updates from the trial of Sean Diddy Combs. I'll be talking to NBC News correspondent Chloe Malas every day after court about what she's seeing inside, the witnesses, the evidence, and what it all means.

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20.558 - 40.907 Andrea Canning

Episodes drop in the Dateline True Crime Weekly feed. This is On Trial, a special series from Dateline True Crime Weekly, bringing you daily coverage from the Sean Combs racketeering trial. He has pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. I'm Andrea Canning, and it's Thursday, May 22nd.

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42.768 - 65.38 Andrea Canning

Just a heads up, in this episode, we're going to be talking about some graphic details and harrowing subject matter. Today in court, two witnesses offered the jury two very different versions of Sean Combs. A man who worked for him 10 years ago said being Combs' employee and learning about the entertainment business from him was like going to Harvard. But musician and actor Scott Muscutty, a.k.a.

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Chapter 2: Who are the key witnesses in Combs' trial?

65.52 - 86.736 Andrea Canning

Kid Cutty, compares Combs to a Marvel villain and described a couple of incidents that sound like something out of The Godfather. NBC News correspondent Chloe Malas is outside the courthouse in Lower Manhattan and is here to tell us what she heard. Hey, Chloe. Hey, Andrea. All right, let's start with Combs' employee. We're talking about an executive assistant by the name of George Kaplan.

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87.576 - 92.359 Andrea Canning

He's another reluctant witness, right? He had to be subpoenaed and offered immunity.

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92.859 - 101.665 Chloe Malas

Yeah, this is not the first time that we've seen this. And one of the things that he said was, you know, quote, I desperately did not want to be here. A hundred percent would rather not be.

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102.045 - 111.013 Andrea Canning

What do we know about his testimony that's so incriminating that he could have been in legal danger if he hadn't have gotten this immunity?

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111.233 - 131.23 Chloe Malas

That's really unclear, Andrea, because he didn't really incriminate himself in any way that I could see. He did talk about an incident that took place on an airplane in which he saw Combs get violent with Cassie Ventura. Yeah. in which he heard glasses smashing. And when he went back to look, he saw Cassie crouched on the ground and Combs holding a glass in one of his hands up in the air.

131.47 - 137.996 Chloe Malas

And he said that it was those things that made him really second-guess why he was working for Combs, and he ultimately quit.

139.336 - 144.1 Andrea Canning

But he also said how much he admired Combs, the businessman. Yeah, he did.

Chapter 3: What did George Kaplan testify about Sean Combs?

Chapter 4: How did Scott Muscutty describe Sean Combs?

65.52 - 86.736 Andrea Canning

Kid Cutty, compares Combs to a Marvel villain and described a couple of incidents that sound like something out of The Godfather. NBC News correspondent Chloe Malas is outside the courthouse in Lower Manhattan and is here to tell us what she heard. Hey, Chloe. Hey, Andrea. All right, let's start with Combs' employee. We're talking about an executive assistant by the name of George Kaplan.

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87.576 - 92.359 Andrea Canning

He's another reluctant witness, right? He had to be subpoenaed and offered immunity.

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92.859 - 101.665 Chloe Malas

Yeah, this is not the first time that we've seen this. And one of the things that he said was, you know, quote, I desperately did not want to be here. A hundred percent would rather not be.

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102.045 - 111.013 Andrea Canning

What do we know about his testimony that's so incriminating that he could have been in legal danger if he hadn't have gotten this immunity?

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111.233 - 131.23 Chloe Malas

That's really unclear, Andrea, because he didn't really incriminate himself in any way that I could see. He did talk about an incident that took place on an airplane in which he saw Combs get violent with Cassie Ventura. Yeah. in which he heard glasses smashing. And when he went back to look, he saw Cassie crouched on the ground and Combs holding a glass in one of his hands up in the air.

131.47 - 137.996 Chloe Malas

And he said that it was those things that made him really second-guess why he was working for Combs, and he ultimately quit.

139.336 - 144.1 Andrea Canning

But he also said how much he admired Combs, the businessman. Yeah, he did.

144.18 - 158.732 Chloe Malas

He said, you know, this is a person that was larger than life. He had the world at his fingertips and that he learned a lot and that this executive team that he worked for was really the best of the best in the industry and that he still has respect for Combs.

159.253 - 164.017 Andrea Canning

These violent episodes that he says he witnessed, did he tell anybody about that at the time? No.

Chapter 5: What accusations are being made against Christina Karam?

268.59 - 290.158 Chloe Malas

So the defense has admitted that Diddy had a temper. I mean, remember, his nickname is Puffy. And how did he get that nickname? Because as a kid, he would huff and he would puff, right? So it's no secret. And at one point, Mark Agnifilo said, you know, from your perspective, his temper, from what you saw, it didn't help his business. And he said, no, it didn't.

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290.538 - 306.212 Chloe Malas

And Agnifilo says it hurt his business, right? And he goes, yes, it did. And so what they're trying to say is that his anger wasn't keeping people working for him out of fear, but actually it elicited people to leave.

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306.512 - 316.363 Chloe Malas

So this idea that he was coercive and forcing people to stay in his company and carry out illegal activity, the defense team is like, well, wait, they're trying to say that people had free will.

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318.737 - 347.806 Andrea Canning

When we come back, we'll talk about a multi-platinum artist and one-time romantic rival of Sean Combs, who finally takes the stand. Welcome back. Okay, Chloe, Scott Muscutty, a.k.a. Kid Cutty, took the stand to tell the story of what happened between him and Sean Combs over a two-month period in late 2011, early 2012. Tell us what he said today.

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Chapter 6: How does the defense portray Sean Combs' business practices?

351.351 - 369.945 Chloe Malas

Kid Cudi says that in December of 2011, he got a phone call from Cassie, and it was at 5.30, 6 a.m., and she was freaking out. She was completely stressed, and she said, Diddy knows about us. He knows that we're dating. And Kid Cudi said he was totally confused because why would that be a big deal?

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370.626 - 393.845 Chloe Malas

He and Cassie had been together for about a year, and he had no idea that she was still romantically involved with Combs or that it would even be an issue. And so he gets in his car, races to pick up Cassie, and takes her to a hotel. And then that's when they got a call from one of her friends whose name is Capricorn. And Capricorn said, Cuddy, I'm in front of your house.

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394.485 - 417.423 Chloe Malas

Diddy forced me to get in the car and go to your house. And he's inside with somebody else. So Kid Cuddy says that he is furious. He's so mad to think that Combs has broken into his house. He calls 911. and he's worried that he might be walking into a violent situation. So he gets to his house. There's no signs of forced entry.

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418.183 - 423.947 Chloe Malas

He goes into his kitchen to see some of his Christmas presents for his family unwrapped, but Diddy's nowhere to be found.

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424.247 - 432.816 Andrea Canning

Kid Cudi claims that Diddy was threatening him, and then he finds out his car... Has had a Molotov cocktail thrown into it?

433.356 - 457.56 Chloe Malas

Yeah, I mean, it's such a wild story. Shortly after Christmas, he and Cassie decide that they're not going to date anymore because Combs' presence is just looming over the relationship now. One morning in early January 2012, he gets a phone call from his dog sitter who says, "'Your car is on fire in the driveway.'" And the top of his convertible looks like somebody had slashed it.

458.221 - 473.958 Chloe Malas

And a Molotov cocktail was found in the driver's seat. And for anybody that doesn't know what that is, it's a bottle with flammable liquid inside and a rag. Basically like a homemade bomb. Combs has denied being involved in this incident. He's absolutely denied being involved in this incident.

Chapter 7: What does the testimony say about Combs' temper and its impact?

474.398 - 495.997 Andrea Canning

OK, so, Chloe, it's interesting because arson is actually one of the crimes listed in the indictment against Combs. Do we know if this is the incident that they're talking about? We are pretty certain. Cuddy says on the stand that he ends up meeting with Sean Combs because he's suspicious about what happened with his car. How does that go?

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496.577 - 513.669 Chloe Malas

So after this incident with the car, Kid Cudi testified that he was like, enough is enough. I want to go meet up with Combs in person. And, you know, Combs had actually been reaching out to him wanting to meet up. So they agreed to meet at Soho House, which is this very famous, exclusive members-only club.

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513.789 - 537.729 Chloe Malas

And this is actually a moment that got a lot of laughs in the courtroom today, believe it or not, despite the sobering testimony. Yeah. Kid Cudi walks into this conference room and Diddy is staring out the window with his hands behind his back, his back to the door. And Kid Cudi said that he looked like a Marvel supervillain. But he says that he and Combs spoke and that he was very calm.

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537.83 - 555.834 Chloe Malas

There were no threats. They both talked about how they didn't realize that the other one was dating Cassie. And they shook hands. And he said, what are you going to do about my car? And looked him straight in the eyes. And Diddy looked back at him and said, what are you talking about? The prosecutor asked Kid Cudi about this exchange.

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556.294 - 576.032 Chloe Malas

And they said, what was your understanding when Sean Combs said, I don't know what you're talking about? And Kid Cudi said that he was lying. So a couple of years later, Kid Cudi actually ran into Combs again at Soho House, and he said that Combs approached him and said, man, I just want to apologize for all that bullshit.

576.112 - 588.078 Andrea Canning

The apology Kid Cudi took as an apology for the car and everything else, but it sounds like there's really no proof other than his word. Right. How did the defense approach that on cross?

588.418 - 613.364 Chloe Malas

We know that the authorities led an investigation and they collected DNA evidence, fingerprints, and we heard Brian Steele saying, you know, what proof do you have that Combs left this Molotov cocktail in your car or told somebody to do it or that he had even been in your house? Where's the surveillance footage? Were there any eyewitnesses? And, you know, Kid Cudi couldn't demonstrate any of that.

613.544 - 626.871 Andrea Canning

Chloe, it seems like the defense was also through Kid Cudi trying to maybe discredit Cassie. You know, she's living these two lives. They say she's playing two men. Even though she's not on the stand at this moment, she kind of is in a way.

627.251 - 646.819 Chloe Malas

Absolutely. They have to. prove the prosecutors that Cassie was in a violent relationship that she couldn't leave and she didn't leave. But this year dating Kid Cudi shows that maybe she was able to date who she wanted when she wanted and that she was able to freely... be in and out of the relationship.

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