Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
When the Mentee Eclipses the Mentor 3-11-25
Tue, 11 Mar 2025
In this episode, Scott Becker reflects on the natural evolution of leadership, sharing personal experiences of mentoring individuals who eventually surpassed him.
Chapter 1: What does it mean for a mentee to eclipse a mentor?
This is Scott Becker with the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast. Today's discussion is around the following. You get in certain situations in life Where the apprentice gets to the spot, where the apprentice, the next in charge, gets better than the master, the teacher, the CEO, the leader.
And I've seen this a lot of times in my career, where at some point the people that I am mentoring or that were part of my team, you know, eclipse the work that I could do. And then it's time to make them the ultimate leader of whatever we're doing.
I saw this in the health care group, the department I ran for 13 years at McGuire Woods, when we got to a spot where the energy, the growth, the sophistication, a whole lot of levels of things that had to be done could be done better by the mentor, Amber Walsh, the mentee, than by myself anymore.
Chapter 2: How can mentors recognize when to let go?
And that's the time when you recognize that it's time to move on and give that person the mantle and let her be the leader of the department. I saw the same thing at Becker's Healthcare, another organization that I there I founded it and grew it with the help of Jessica Cole. And there got to be a period of time early on where I put her in charge of everybody, sort of a CEO.
And then later on, where I really put her in charge of everything as president and CEO, where she just got to the spot where her skills as a. mentee as a leader had eclipsed my skills, and she was the right person to run the organization and has been doing it for a long time. And I think just a fantastic part of evolution in business and growth is that understanding.
Chapter 3: What are the emotional challenges of transitioning leadership?
And I don't want to understate that. It's easy for me years later to understate the import on my own ego of having people that were now better than me running things I'd run for a long time. Those were very hard transitions. And for people that tell you they're not hard transitions, emotionally, they're probably lying to you.
Chapter 4: How can a mentor support a mentee's growth?
I have the chance firsthand to see this evolution in another setting where one of the mentees is not quite there better than the mentor, but you could already see there are things that that mentee is able to do better than the mentor.
Now, it'll be a long time till she takes the mantle of leadership in that organization, but you see enough great things early on, just the way that she handles things, the way that she handles clients, the personal touch, the customer service, the math, the ability to analyze and dig deep and work through things.
entry customers with respect where you could see that mentee potentially becoming better than the mentor at some point. Now this is sometime into the future. I don't think it's today, but there are moments when I see the mentor, something he didn't do decades ago, slip on certain things and introduce different ideas into the system and
that don't make the sense you would have thought of at one time, where sometimes the mentor feels like he's got to use equipment just because they're amortizing that equipment when back in the day that mentor would have known. It's a sunk cost. It's okay. Let's just work on doing the very best we could do today. There are certain signs we all see.
In me running the McGuire Woods Health Care Department, I saw that I was slowing in my ability to constantly recruit, constantly show the right people in the right place. And Amber and then Holly was ready to do that. At some point, this meant Torme gets to that spot where he sees.
that he no longer can make decisions at the pace they need to be made at, that it's time to turn it over to the mentor, to that next generation. Again, that time is not now there. It's not there yet. But you could see it in all these organizations, that evolution of leadership from mentor to mentee. We'll see how this goes.
We've had a wonderful experience with it in the organizations I've been involved in. I can tell you it's not always easy. It's very emotionally difficult to move into that next spot if you've led for a long time. But it's the right thing for the organization. It's the right thing for that person coming up. And it's almost always the right thing for the person stepping away.
Now, Bob Iger will never respect this message, I am sure, nor will Elon Musk, and nor might my colleague, who also may at some point find himself in a situation where the mentee has eclipsed the ability, the strength, the perseverance, the ability to manage clients that the mentor used to have. Thank you for listening to the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast.
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