Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
Innovation, Health Equity, and the Future of Healthcare with Jason Taylor of Panda Health 4-28-25
Mon, 28 Apr 2025
In this episode, Jason Taylor, Chief Growth Officer at Panda Health joins Scott Becker to discuss the widening gap in healthcare innovation between large and smaller health systems, the impact of policy uncertainty, and why investing in relationships is critical for emerging healthcare leaders.
Chapter 1: Who is Jason Taylor and what is his background?
Thanks, Scott. And I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today. So I am Jason Taylor. I am originally a Canadian, which has some relevance into this as we talk about health care, because I come from a place where health care is delivered phenomenally differently than it is here in the U.S., I grew up in Toronto. I spent a long time part of my career with IBM, always in the tech sector.
And about 13 years ago, in one of my global roles, I was actually living in Europe, I met a girl. And because of the girl, I ended up moving to Los Angeles and going through a career change. We're married now, so that all worked out fine. But I got an opportunity to start reevaluating where I wanted to spend my time. And I became fascinated with U.S.
health care and all of the challenges and opportunities that sat within it to try and make a difference, to try and make things a little bit better through the use of technology or workflow or various other things. So I've spent about the past decade primarily in the health care provider segment.
working with health systems and hospitals on things ranging from patient engagement to revenue workflows to just generally how we can use tech to improve lives for both the clinicians delivering care and the patients that we all serve.
Thank you. And take a moment. Now, for people that don't know Jason, one of the all-time good and competent people, really good person. Let me ask this question. One of my fellow friends, one of my best, best colleagues, a guy who will remain nameless, named David Pivnik. is a Canadian and a very difficult individual. And I say that jokingly.
He's actually funny as can be and as good a person as I come. Are all Canadians that nice, or is it a wide mix of Canadians like it is of all people?
We actually work really, really hard as Canadians to try to maintain that facade that we are all very nice and we apologize a lot. But I think inside, a lot of us have that more American core that we want the opportunity to get out and be aggressive and be a little less nice. But we don't get to explore it at home. We end up apologizing more often than not.
You know what they call that here in the States, and you've been in the States for a long time. They call that Midwest nice, where somebody can be very nice, but they might not be that nice deeply underneath, or they might be. It's really a whole mix out there, actually.
So talk about, as you've worked in the provider space, you've worked in the technology space, talk a little bit about what trends you're watching in healthcare technology and healthcare providers today. How challenging a situation is on the provider side, the technology side? What are some of the things you're watching?
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Chapter 2: What trends are impacting healthcare technology today?
There's a lot of companies with VC investment or outside investment that have expectations and milestones. And they're facing a pretty tough year as, you know, some of these firms have gone a little too fast. They've overinvested in tech for two years. Now they're sitting there with uncertainty in the market. They don't know what to do. So what we're tracking this year.
What I'm spending a lot of time on is how are these innovative, smaller health tech firms going to navigate this uncertainty, especially when the health systems themselves may not be in a position to be much use or to be very advising in that context?
Chapter 3: How do policy changes affect healthcare providers?
No, but I think what you said here, which is so right on, there are a couple of different points you made. One of which is there's this huge divide in systems. There's those 30 to 50 systems that seemingly can afford to invest in anything.
Every new tech thing that comes, it doesn't mean they're not strategic and smart about it, but they've got the wherewithal to do so and make some mistakes and they're still okay. And then there's much smaller systems that both don't have the money to invest in some stuff and even have the money to invest in some stuff, don't often have the staff to help them make sure that it goes right.
Talk a little bit about that, about where you see some of these smaller systems that just are sort of a little bit stuck because they can only invest so much technology and they can only do so much with both the technology in terms of the ability to invest, plus the staff to actually make it all go and work. Are some of those systems sort of stuck or what do you see there?
Yeah. I think they are stuck to some extent and they're relying on each other, which is great. There's an awesome community in health care. They're also relying on third parties, including people like myself, to come in and help them try and navigate. But you said it right. There's actually a group, those 30 or 40 systems, they're in a position where they are overtly saying we want to fail fast.
The rest of them are in a position of saying we can't afford to fail at all. You know, if we have one project failure, it actually could turn into a full year, year and a half impact on their IT budget because that money is gone or slow or not able to deploy. The biggest problem that they have is actually spam. So if you look at, you know, I live in Los Angeles.
One of my favorite close to my heart health systems is MLK Healthcare, which is in Watts, which is a little south of where I live. And they serve a primarily Hispanic community. They've got a lot of people on Medicaid or Medi-Cal as we call it out here. And it's an underserved community. They do fantastic work, but their IT staff is anemic compared with some of the larger systems.
And the breadth of understanding that it takes those leaders to be able to get their head around 100, 120 different topics that could come at them from a digital perspective or from a health tech perspective, it's just unfathomable. They can't go from one meeting to the next and be experts at everything. And so what ends up happening is a pure kind of Maslow version, right?
They will focus on the things that must be focused on. They'll focus on resiliency. Business recovery, cyber, and then maybe they have time for one other thing. And in times like this, it's going to be something related to RevCycle where they can prove to the CFO that there's a material ROI coming out the back end.
They don't have the luxury of investing in some of the more softer return things like population health or patient access or patient experience type things. type of solutions. And so it almost creates a bigger divide, too, where you get these underserved communities, the systems serving them don't have the ability to invest.
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Chapter 4: What challenges do smaller health systems face?
Chapter 5: How are innovative health tech firms navigating uncertainty?
You can't support the health systems. You don't have enough health systems. You can't support the population. It really is a very circular problem that's getting worse and worse. I think in real urban areas, poor urban areas, as well as in rural areas, too.
Talk about, Jason, for a second, what you're most focused on and excited about this year in the health care world or generally, what are you most focused on and excited about?
I think there's been a few advances or kind of investments made by some systems toward the point you just made, which is how do we change a little bit of how we approach care or the modality of care for some of those more remote communities? There's been some work done, some research that says patients that are served
in their own communities surrounded by their families and support systems tend to have better outcomes. So you've got a few people, a few systems that are investing in hybrid remote visit or hybrid telecare type of models.
And so the idea is – and there's one example that I can think of from Providence, for example, which is out of Seattle, but they serve a lot of rural Washington and surrounding states – where they're using a hybrid of telehealth to bring specialty care to the point of care to enable a responding doctor to deal with something.
The idea being if something goes wrong, the last thing we want to do is put you on an ambulance or a helicopter and move you to the big building. We want to do a better job of enabling people at point of care so that the responding physician has the support of that specialist that doesn't live there, but it is remote and it's kind of a three-legged approach to the patient.
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Chapter 6: What role does community play in healthcare innovation?
Chapter 7: Why is investing in relationships crucial for healthcare leaders?
You can't support the health systems. You don't have enough health systems. You can't support the population. It really is a very circular problem that's getting worse and worse. I think in real urban areas, poor urban areas, as well as in rural areas, too.
Talk about, Jason, for a second, what you're most focused on and excited about this year in the health care world or generally, what are you most focused on and excited about?
I think there's been a few advances or kind of investments made by some systems toward the point you just made, which is how do we change a little bit of how we approach care or the modality of care for some of those more remote communities? There's been some work done, some research that says patients that are served
in their own communities surrounded by their families and support systems tend to have better outcomes. So you've got a few people, a few systems that are investing in hybrid remote visit or hybrid telecare type of models.
And so the idea is – and there's one example that I can think of from Providence, for example, which is out of Seattle, but they serve a lot of rural Washington and surrounding states – where they're using a hybrid of telehealth to bring specialty care to the point of care to enable a responding doctor to deal with something.
The idea being if something goes wrong, the last thing we want to do is put you on an ambulance or a helicopter and move you to the big building. We want to do a better job of enabling people at point of care so that the responding physician has the support of that specialist that doesn't live there, but it is remote and it's kind of a three-legged approach to the patient.
No, 100%. And there's more and more of that sort of the Mayo Telehealth, like working with systems and the other big systems doing it too. And some of it works really well. And some of it is just challenging, right? I mean, some of it works out really well where you could have care where they're at. And that's obviously preferred if at all possible, right?
I mean, just really where we like to be is you can get care where you're at and don't have to travel for it so far.
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Chapter 8: What do smaller healthcare systems need for success?
One of the challenges we've seen, and it's inhibiting a little bit of the investment in it, is we've had inconsistent funding, too, from a policy perspective. So the CMS engines just extended a little bit their coverage for telehealth. That's not locked in. I mean, obviously that needs to become a more permanent part of the budget.
And so there are some systems kind of waiting, keeping their powder dry, so to speak, around how far they want to go into this until there's some guarantee of reimbursement on the back end. But certainly the people who are leaning in have shown some pretty good results.
And I think the more creative we can get using tech to bring care to where people are, that's pretty exciting because, you know, my personal belief is, you know, you can say what you want about entitlement or access to care, who needs it. We need a healthy workforce.
We need healthy people in all elements of our society and our economy, because as we saw through COVID, when we don't have that, it's a problem for all of us, irrespective of how they got care or why they got covered. If somebody delivering your groceries is sick or driving your Uber is sick, you're very likely to get sick. We can't compete as a country even if we don't have a healthy population.
Completely, completely true. And take a moment. Jason, and what advice you would give to emerging leaders? What advice do you give somebody as an emerging leader?
I would say, having been down this path kind of as a more mature entrant to the U.S. market and the health care market, I would say invest in relationships. You know, most of what happens in healthcare is done by really, really good people, really mission driven, you know, people who want to do healthcare because they want to make a difference in the world.
I think that the more you invest in the people you surround yourself with, the more you invest in the right relationships with good, similar minded people who are just trying to make a difference, you know, the more that comes and pays back and even pay it forward. If you see an opportunity to help somebody, take it because it will come back to you. It's not a very big community.
And those relationships are actually what ends up driving a lot of the collaboration between systems or systems and vendors or vendors and vendors in terms of actually moving things forward and making a difference. So, you know, it's great to have a career path and I need to accomplish all these things and skill sets.
But investing in the people is going to be the difference maker or the secret sauce for those that actually want to be long-term successful in healthcare.
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