Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
2025 Healthcare Private Equity Deal Trends 2-11-25
Tue, 11 Feb 2025
In this webinar-turned-podcast, industry leaders Holly Buckley, Matt Wolf, Craig Castelli, and Bart Walker discuss key trends in healthcare private equity, including state-level transaction regulations, the rise of healthcare-at-home services, and evolving exit strategies.
Chapter 1: What are the key trends in healthcare private equity for 2025?
Thank you all for joining us. I'll do a couple of introductory announcements before we get started with the substance of the program.
We're going to talk about healthcare private equity deal trends, 2025, and so many different changes in the market between different sectors, whether provider-based, practice-based, dental-based, or life sciences or pharma and device-based, so many different things going on. Welcome to this version of the Becker Private Equity and Business webinar series.
If you're ever interested in hosting or sponsoring a webinar, let us know. We've got four fantastic panelists today. We're joined by two colleagues of mine from McGuire Woods, and then we've also got Matt Wolf, who's a senior leader in valuation and private equity at RSM, and Craig Castelli.
Craig is a brilliant investment banker who at the wherewithal to found his own investment bank a long time ago now and works at the intersection of healthcare, and he also does his investment bank work outside of healthcare too. And it's done a ton of work in healthcare and DSO work over the last few years, too.
I'm going to ask each of you to take a moment to introduce yourselves, and then we'll get started with the core of the discussion. And thank you all for joining. At any time that you've got a question, feel free to send it in the chat link. There's a chat box. We'll try and address all the questions. Also, feel free to text Scott Becker. If it's easier, 773-766-5322. 773-766-5322.
So we can answer your questions and please do send them in. Craig, I'll start with you. Take a second and introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about Caber Hill Advisors.
Thanks, Scott. Craig Estelli, Caber Hill Advisors, founded the firm 11 years ago. We're a lower middle market investment banking firm. We primarily advise founders and owners of lower middle market companies. About half of our business is in healthcare and the bulk of that is within healthcare services. physician practices, dental practices, service providers to those practices.
And oftentimes we're advising them on the journey towards growing the business and ultimately transacting with private equity. So great to be here today. And I'll give a plug really quick that Scott asked me to make. We conducted a survey last fall of private equity partners on their outlook for M&A in 2025. You can find that on our website at caperhill.com.
Spoiler alert, everybody's excited for a big year.
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Chapter 2: What are the new state-level regulations affecting healthcare transactions?
So we will see this factor into decisions around where to invest and who's willing to invest.
Thank you. So that's one key trend. Any other key trends you wanted to touch on as we get started?
Yeah, I think one other one I would touch on is we're seeing a lot of excitement and interest in post-acute care and kind of the movement to health care at home. We saw it last year too, and it's been around. I mean, this isn't a new thing, but we are seeing a lot of excitement and energy around it.
And I think this would include things like home infusion, hospice, home health, skilled and unskilled. And I think with the new administration, we're likely to see less regulatory burdens. and oversight, which I think will help continue to accelerate investment in this space.
So for example, maybe there'll be a repeal of the 80-20 rule, which requires 80% of Medicaid payments going to direct care workers. Also with maybe more flexibility around workers and more movement towards Medicare Advantage, we think that this area will continue to be pretty hot and we'll continue to see more transaction volume this year.
So thank you very, very much. So two big things, sort of hospital to home, post-acute, and then state transaction rules around private equity. Bart, take a moment and tell us a couple of trends that you're watching and most closely focused on.
Sure. Thanks, Scott. The one I'd focus on are exit strategies. We have a lot of private equity fund investors who have investments that are getting pretty long in the tooth that they've not been able to see a liquidity event from and return capital to their LPs.
So one of the things we're looking at is alternative structures to that as opposed to traditional LBOs or selling to a bigger private equity fund has been the traditional strategy of middle market funds. So a couple of just tangible examples of that.
Late last year, Sencora, which was formerly Amerisource Bergen, acquired 85% of Retina Consultants of America for about $4.4 billion and another half a billion deferred purchase price. So that's an interesting example of some crossover where you're seeing some strategics get involved on the buy side of a lot of these transactions. Second, I'm seeing some thawing in the dental space.
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Chapter 3: How is the healthcare-at-home market evolving?
So there's going to need to be a changeover. We've seen since the Fed started lowering rates in September that the actual private credit financing rates to get a deal done hasn't changed. The 10-year, 20-year has increased since September. The interest rates are not going to come down. The multiples are not going to go up.
These will be transacted, and we've seen in a lot of conversations I've had, deals we've seen of sponsors moving from provider deals, but they want to stay in healthcare, investing into health technology, healthcare services, healthcare consulting firms. They want a piece of that pie, but not the direct reimbursement risk. watching that shift, I think will be really interesting.
And I think it'll create buying opportunities for sponsors that remain committed to a healthcare reimbursement risk. And they have the operating, the deal teams to really execute on that because it's, it's a difficult thing to do and it's only going to become more complicated, but we'll see sponsors really specialize in it. And I think they'll be able to make some good deals.
And let's touch on a couple of things you said there, but you said a couple of things, you know, in, in, two ways to have profitability in a fund. Profitability goes up or you have good exits. Profitability goes up or you do multiple arbitrage and over time, multiples are rising. Now we're in a period of time where it seems like multiples are pretty flat and not rising for the moment.
In fact, you said we don't anticipate multiples going up and we also don't anticipate interest rates going down quite quickly. And so for people trying to exit, they still have to have a return for their fund so their investors re-up with them and are happy and so forth.
It's really a math game and a challenging game to get good enough exits to offset some of your things that aren't exiting at the right price to make a fund's ultimate return in this vintage pretty good or acceptable to LPs that they're not looking elsewhere for their next set of funds. Is that a fair assessment?
Absolutely. Absolutely. And every day we see fewer and fewer holdouts that are expecting that 2021 multiple on their exit. There's still some out there, but it's a new environment. It's a new regime. Craig, a couple of the core trends that you're watching currently.
Sure. You know, it's funny. I think, you know, subconsciously we must have all gotten together before this webinar because my list resembles what's already been stated. I talk about old periods all the time. And, you know, you've mentioned the DSO space a bit, Bart and Scott, you touched on our experience in dental. I mean, I think
That is really the clearest example, partially just because there's been so much investment in that space. But we've seen a number of well-known assets grow long in the tooth. There have been some notable successes and notable struggles just in recent years alone. But if you look just across the broader private equity marketplace, hold periods are rising everywhere.
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Chapter 4: What alternative exit strategies are being considered in private equity?
The positive in this is the last time we saw hold periods reach a level like this was around 2012, 2013. I don't have the chart in front of me to give you the exact year. But what followed that? We all remember what M&A was like from 2013 or 14 through the pandemic. It was just a boom year over year over year of growth.
And obviously, we all learn that history doesn't necessarily, you know, it's not necessarily guaranteed to repeat itself. You know, we should all have optimism that eventually things are going to shake loose, whether it's
exits or, you know, recaps into continuation funds or, you know, any other vehicle that, you know, gives it both a portfolio company and a fund, you know, increased liquidity to get back up there and make acquisitions. You know, that's really what's been lacking in some of the more mature areas of healthcare services the last couple of years. I'll introduce a new topic here as well.
So I don't just repeat what everybody else has said. The other trend I wanted to highlight was behavioral health integration across broader areas of healthcare services. We're starting to see just as everybody
you know universally is increasingly aware of behavioral health needs and the the specific um shortage of providers and we have a real supply demand mismatch between the demand for services and the supply of providers we're starting to see um you know family practices women's health practices pediatric practices increasingly add mental health services to their offering
I think that's an incredible opportunity for anybody who's building a business, either entrepreneurial or a private equity firm who's making a play in one of these categories and looking for a way to differentiate themselves.
But I think it's one of those opportunities that creates an everybody wins scenario because if the ultimate outcome is better access to care and better acceptance of some of these challenges, then it's a win for society and and kind of the ultimate outcome of doing well by doing good.
And Craig, let me follow up with that because you talked about behavioral health and obviously so much different action and things going on behavioral health still and so much need. Is there an area that you're most focused on and excited about this year?
Is there one that you're most focused on and excited about either from the investment banking practice or sort of what you're seeing out there in terms of when you look at things?
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Chapter 5: What is the current deal volume outlook for healthcare investments?
Just 30 seconds or a minute. There's all this discussion about the Department of Government Efficiency. One of the things that was said recently was that there's some insane number that could be cut out of Medicaid. Obviously, Medicaid, hospitals, health systems rely on that Medicaid. State governors love that Medicaid because it's one of these that gives governors their power.
How much is the private equity community concerned about about federal discussion of cost cutting, or are they sort of in a wait and see mode? Bart, do you want to give us 30 seconds or a minute on what you're sort of hearing from clients about this, or is it just sort of wait and see? Because if those cuts really came through, it would have huge impact. But, Bart?
Yeah, I think that's the big question, as you put it. Will these cuts really come through? I think the goal is admirable. I think the tool they're using is – potentially questionable. I'm curious to see how many of these executive orders actually stick at the end of the day.
But if they do, I think you'll start to see the funds really are drastically cut from some of these core areas where you start to cut not just fat, but you cut into muscle and bone. I think people will start to feel the pain and there'll be some pretty immediate feedback from the market on that, particularly the consumers. And I would expect that it'll level out at some point. Sometimes you have to
tear some things down and do some demo before you renovate a house. And I, I understand that. Um, but we have, we can't forget that these are people's real lives and health that we're talking about. So ultimately I I'm, I'm optimistic that it'll, it'll come to a more principled place, but in terms of impact on the private equity community, I think it's very much a wait and see.
I don't, I don't think you're popping down a bunch of cash on something that has heavy Medicare Medicaid exposure until the dust settles just a little bit. Um, but again, on a long enough term timeline, um, the demand for those services is so great. I think it's hard to leave it unfunded for any period of time.
Matt, did you want to take a crack at that question as well?
Yeah, I completely agree. And I'm hearing the same right from my perspective, my clients as part of the thing I would add to is that, you know, we kind of saw this story during the last administration. And there was a, you know, would be a bevy of executive orders or pronouncements or whatever people would really say. work hard to understand, internalize, try to react to them.
And then a day, a week, a month later, it fizzled into nothing. And so that's part of what we're trying to caution this time around again, as well as like, yes, it's important to pay attention to this, especially if, you know, we talked about home health, right?
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Chapter 6: How are interest rates impacting private equity deals?
They're very much at risk for some of these Medicaid sort of discussions, and it's going to affect different investors, different leaders in different ways. but we want to take it with a grain of salt. I mean, it's several full-time jobs to keep attention to everything that's happening.
But to your point on home health, we've gone through periods of time where home health reimbursement just got cratered and it led to lots of bankruptcies. We obviously have seen it in nursing homes. We've got a depletion in nursing homes in our country, which is causing tremendous problems in the health care ecosystem because now hospitals are no places to discharge people to.
And so we've seen these draconian cuts at different times under different administrations. I mean, some of them in the last administration were really hurt nursing homes. And then there's no place to for patients to be discharged to. So they're real, real. I mean, to Barr's point, your point, trying to read the tea leaves and real, real implications to some of this stuff.
Craig, I'm going to ask you one question that came from a listener, and I think this is a great question. It's right up your alley. The question is, a PE-backed provider group, and I'll try and give you a moment to process through this. They're five years in. They've ended up leveraged at seven to 10 times EBITDA.
And take it that's happened because maybe the EBITDA has gone down because most lenders aren't going to give you leverage at that number. You see four to five is the typical number we'll see. Are they stuck or can they still be sold? The question is, how likely is it they could still be sold? And again, it's very case by case. But give us some general thoughts about this.
Does that mean practices in that spot is sort of stuck for a delayed period of time because they're five years in, but they're leveraged at 7 to 10x? You know, and that could happen in a lot of different ways. Everybody goes down and leverage stays the same. And all of a sudden your leverage is a lot higher than you thought. Are they stuck or is there hope for that?
I think it depends on how you want to define hope. I don't think they're stuck in so far as there is no buyer for a business like that because that is a business that could still be sold. It just may not be sold at a price that generates a gain for any of the shareholders. That may be better...
or at least create a better opportunity long run for any employee shareholder, any of the doctors, and then it does the outside investors because the doctors could potentially just keep their equity in the business and hope that the next partner is a better steward of the business and guides them to the promised land. But as you said, it's going to depend on a lot of factors, how...
How old or how mature is the fund that holds the company? If this was the first portfolio company, there may be more patience to grow their way out of this than if you're in year 10 or 11 of the fund, you're the last company standing and they just need to liquidate it because they need to close the fund and return capital to shareholders. So I wouldn't want to be in this spot.
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