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Justin Hart: The Science™ Is A New Cult Religion & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s HHS Must Fix It w/ Josh Bernstein – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 437
Sun, 22 Dec 2024
Pundit Scott Jennings recently told CNN that the best argument for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. being nominated to the HHS is that he’ll “make science actual science again. During COVID, “the science” became a religion and millions of kids and people suffered for it.” [Broadcast LIVE on December 17, 2024] Justin Hart is a data analyst, author, and technology executive with over 25 years of consulting experience for Fortune 500 companies. He founded RationalGround.com and served as a data advisor to the White House during the COVID-19 pandemic alongside Dr. Scott Atlas. Hart previously directed special projects for the Mitt Romney campaign and launched Newzy.com, a political parody video platform. His book ‘Gone Viral: How Covid Drove the World Insane’ was published in 2023. Hart appears regularly on Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax. He’s the father of 9 kids. Follow him at https://x.com/justin_hart Josh Bernstein is an author, political commentator, and former news anchor. He authored “Preserving Liberty: Bold and Brave Solutions to Save America and Create Permanent Freedom” available at https://amzn.to/49KHx3a . Bernstein has appeared as a subject matter expert on over 4,500 radio shows and 100+ television programs over twelve years, discussing topics from current events and national security to healthcare and constitutional issues. Find more at https://jbushow.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the credentials of Justin Hart?
Two very interesting guests today. First of all, Justin Hart coming in. You can follow him on X, Justin underscore Hart, H-A-R-T, not like the organ. Also, covidreason.substack.com, Rational Ground by Justin Hart. Data analyst, author, technology executive, over 25 years of consulting experience for Fortune 500 companies, founded rationalground.com.
served as a data advisor to the White House alongside Dr. Scott Atlas. I'm going to read a Scott Atlas quote to him in just a minute. And then we'll be joined by Josh Bernstein, about 45 minutes or so. Political commentator, author, former news anchor, authored Preserving Liberty, Bold and Brave Solutions to Save America and Create Permanent Freedom.
He's appeared on many, many radio and television programs. You can follow him on jbush, jbushow.com. So stay with us. Justin Hart, right after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for five months.
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Chapter 2: What did Scott Atlas and Justin Hart contribute during the pandemic?
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or use code dr drew a check out for that 15 off or just go to our website drdrew.com fatty15 so i want you to see i want you to follow justin hart on x it's justin underscore heart h-a-r-t and also check out covet reason you you mentioned in one of your uh in one of the intros i read for you uh that you were alongside scott atlas and uh i've had the privilege of interviewing Scott.
Were you in the rooms when some of these crazy decisions were being made?
No, we were the, you know, when Deborah Burke, it's great to be with you, Dr. True. I guess we first talked like three years ago now, and now I've been on like three or four times. So excited here because we have a new beginning and we'll talk about that in a minute.
But yeah, with Dr. Scott Atlas, we actually helped arrange a lot of these meetings between some of the Stanford folks and the folks at the White House. And then we got the call. He doesn't have anyone. The White House hasn't assigned Dr. Atlas anyone to help him except for maybe an intern and sort of like, you know, a guide. And so he needed some data people. So...
Remember, Dr. Birx used to give an interview and she'd say, Dr. Atlas had all these very shadowy people behind him who were doing all these. That was us. It was completely pro bono. And we did it remotely. But basically, day in from August 2020, July 2020 on through November, we every day were just in there saying, okay, what can we do to counter and help Scott right the ship?
So that was kind of the genesis story between a lot of people there.
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Chapter 3: How did COVID policies impact public health?
I think this is unfortunately part of human nature. And the leaders in that great fiasco in the plague in Milan, which was far more deadly than COVID, they basically took advantage of it for power gain, wealth and otherwise.
Well, that seemed to be some of what was going on here, but I always take this opportunity to say, examine your behavior during this outbreak. And if you were somebody yelling at their reporting, your neighbor for having a party or screaming at people to mask up between bites, you would not be resisting the Nazi movement.
And if you lived in Germany in 1935, you would more likely be a prison guard. And it's important to know that and learn it and find a correct course. I'll, I'll, Again, I am welcoming people who want to correct chorus, want to apologize, want to get on board. Redfield is somebody I admire, and I think he's doing a good job to try to correct himself. That's all. Pretty simple.
But it doesn't seem like a lot of people are doing that.
No, I think that's right. I think it's good to be welcoming. For some of these people, though, they should never have a hand in public health again. I think Dr. Redfield is making some great comebacks, and he was early on talking about the impact that this would have on kids. It looked like he was doing those CDC discussions from a locked case down in the CDC basement.
But at the same time, there is welcoming room for these people. A lot of these folks, they need to step back and never touch public policy again.
Well, public health generally needs some, what's the word, barriers, constraints on their behavior. Have you any theory about how we do that or what those constraints should look like?
Well, I think there's going to be a lot of room for that discussion now. What a difference a year make. I think we spoke maybe last year, and I was kind of in the camp of Governor Ron DeSantis, who was a great champion for a lot of anti-COVID policies, proving things right and wrong this way and that.
And I had hoped that his candidacy would help bring light to the recompense that we wanted for the even retribution for the changes that we wanted. So our kids and our grandkids never have to go through that. You know, when his candidacy lost there, I dutifully signed on board. I'm a good soldier myself in the Republican Party. And I signed on with President Trump.
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Chapter 4: What are the consequences of lockdowns for children?
Everything that your government is doing on a daily basis, from tracking minute shrimp viruses to, you know, satellite turnings, and you won't believe it. And whether or not they can name sunblock lotion, sunblock lotion, they're into everything. And it will drive you crazy.
And I'm hoping that we can sum with, you know, I think you just need to trim a lot of this bureaucracy down and we might see some semblance of light.
Well, isn't that the opposite of what the founding fathers intended? They intended a limited government constrained by the people. And the federal government was just to create a more perfect union and deal with defense and international treaties and interstate commerce. And that's it. You know, that's what it was designed for. How do you have to wonder how we got here?
You know, I noticed that there I've noticed. Go ahead, Justin, go.
No, I'm saying, you know, you remember Alex de Tocqueville, he was a French sort of, you know, debutante, this guy who basically came over and he went through the country and he interviewed people left and right, said, what makes America great? And he had some great insights.
And one of the things he came across with this great line that always stuck with me, he says, the American Republic will thrive until its people realize that they can be bribed with their own money. right?
And so I think that's part of the problem is that we have such this turnstile of people that are paid by their own money and give more to feel good about themselves, but also just to make life easier. It's a difficult prospect left and right that they're going to have to deal with. And unfortunately,
And one of the things I do study on the blog and everything else is the deep economic recession we have in, because this is to blame for COVID too. A lot of people don't talk about this because of the stimulus under President Trump. And then the stimulus times three under President Biden that increased everyone's incomes over those periods by about 20%, okay?
And that created this false demand and supply side where demand shot up because people had all this extra money to spend. And so retailers, car dealerships, You remember how hard it was to find a new car? Remember all those boats that were stuck off the shore at LA port because they couldn't get them because everyone was working stuff from China?
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Chapter 5: How does government bureaucracy affect healthcare?
Shouldn't have been buying at Louis Vuitton and Prada and the watch stores and stuff. And I just thought, oh, this is a catastrophe. That to me will always stay with me. And the other thing back to, this is what I want to actually talk about, which is back to de Tocqueville. He also had the insight that the local practice of democracy was why America worked.
And the limited government at the federal level, the federation, the federalism was limited. And it seems like one of the dividing lines that has developed between right and left is the left seems to believe that people need some sort of centralized authority to constrain their behavior because they'll behave badly. And that centralized authority will be benevolent.
Never mind the fact that never in history has that been true. Never, ever, ever. But okay, fine. And then on the other side, you have the right saying, no, leave me alone. Let's decentralize. Let's have more freedom. Let me watch Justin and what he does, and maybe I'll learn from him, and that's how I'll make my decisions.
It seems like that's a big sort of philosophical zone that we've fallen into these days that is dividing the two parties, no? No.
I think that's right. I think as Tucker Carlson notes, a lot of people in these big blue towns stay up late at night just biting their teeth and really upset that someone in deep red Utah or Iowa isn't giving some trans youth the time of day, right? And isn't defending that right and going to the hilt and everything else there.
Whereas the rest of us are just like, look, I don't have time to think about you. I don't think about you at all, as they say in Mad Men, right? And so those are things that I think we need to come to grips with is that there's an immaturity because that's kind of a middle school type of thing, right? You worry and you have this external sort of visage that everyone is thinking about you.
And if only they would think better about you and your friends and everything else there, everything would be fine. Therefore, the government must force them to think on those things. And in reality, you know, it's like, look, there's just no time for that. Time to live your life.
Well, it's funny. I was listening to a French radio program this morning, and for the first time I heard a full-throated defense of what has happened in this country and a strong recommendation that the French move this direction. And they framed it as, instead of this populism and all the crazy rhetoric we've had forever, this one guy just said, look, it's the restoration of reality.
This is all about reality coming back. And the French need to get into reality as well. And they don't think Macron is in reality necessarily. They do like the new prime minister recommendation, who seems like an old school guy. But reality is back. Pragmatism is back. Common sense is back. And that's...
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Chapter 6: What insights does Justin Hart provide about COVID data?
There's always aggressive cancers out there. Could COVID have caused it? Could the vaccine have caused it? Could vaccine plus COVID be responsible? It would be very difficult to tease that out. But I'm having trouble finding reality in the mix. There's no doubt in my mind that they did not have the bioethical standing for a mandate for young males in college. Absolutely not.
And those kids should be pissed if they got myocarditis, and they should take appropriate action. But my elderly patients... Probably benefit from some vaccine and maybe one booster after that. I don't know what we're doing. I don't know. I can't see the benefits. How do you interpret all this, that data? And we'll sort of wrap up with this topic.
Well, look, this is the neat thing. The data is all there. We've been foiling it for three or four years, and we're hoping that once someone gets in there, we'll be able to open that up and see it. I'll give you just one stat, and this is more of a political stat because I think it's very instructive. The CMS, which is the body that oversees the policy for Medicaid, Medicare,
reimbursement that's going to be that's going to be dr oz coming up right by the way exactly so too i think that one for example they had a policy that on march 22nd 2022 was the last day that you could submit reimbursements from a hospital to the cms to hhs for reimbursement for a covid death or a covid sickness otherwise and if you look at the charts on covid
All of a sudden, deaths from hospitalizations dropped completely off a cliff after March 22nd, 2022. And all I would say is when the government came in and closed the most profitable parts of a hospital, Any good administrator would do everything in their power to make sure they got reimbursed from the government for everything they could.
Now, my team had the opportunity, thanks to Dr. DeSantis, I'd say it's Governor DeSantis and to a few other people there in Florida, to examine 800 death certificates directly with personal information left out. We got those death certificates.
We were able to look at part one and part two, and we were able to determine that at least half of this stuff was just lazily printed out and put a COVID mark on there. And we saw things like, you know, gunshot wound and broken femur of a COVID death, right? And so I'm not saying there's anything nefarious going on.
I think the incentivization to keep hospitals open was basically created an atmosphere where everything was marked as COVID. And as you can tell, you know, when you have a COVID test that can pick up a COVID infection of five days or 75 days, then they're going to have a lot of COVID infections there.
It was all set up and it's nothing, I don't think, conspiratorial, nefarious, but in the end, it didn't help the numbers at all. And I'm hoping we'll have some clarity on that.
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Chapter 7: How does the economy relate to public health decisions?
I put his bio on the show. I couldn't figure out the right number because we had one from like seven kids or eight kids. So I wanted to put somewhere between seven and twelve children.
Every year.
So last but not least, what is your plan? Are you going to help RFK Jr.? What do you feel he's going to do? He told me his first act was to put a RICO case against the pharma with the journals to try to untangle that mess. I know he has a lot of things on his plate. It's really interesting watching him. He's so disgusted with the way things are being reported now, I can tell.
He's just like, that's not true. He's like, he's tired. Just do your damn job. That's not true. But anyway, you said you were hopeful about the future. What do you hope these people do?
Well, I'm hoping that they get in there. It's going to take a little bit. My wife, Jenny, who I really do pride in keeping me sane and everything else, says just take your time, have some patience. I'm not going to be going to D.C. anytime soon, but we'll see in the future what transpires. We would love to help in any sort of way we can.
We'll be on the sidelines rooting people on and getting them through the commission process. They've been nominated now. Let's get them confirmed and see what's going on here.
That would be nice. Justin, I appreciate you being here. Is there a book? Do you want to promote the Gone Viral?
Yeah, sure. Yeah, there it is. Gone Viral, How COVID Drove the World Insane. Yeah, gone viral. COVID drove the world insane. We did really well on our first printing there. And let's get to a second one. I'd love to see that. It gives you basically just a lowdown on everything you want to see. That litany that I rattled off at the beginning of the show there is all there in the book there.
And I think it's a good memory. It drives people crazy to revisit this stuff. You'll take crazy pills thinking, what did we do? But in the end, I think we'll be better for it.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of censorship on free speech?
It's great to be on the program with you.
You're not on X. Is that a statement of some type?
No, actually, I am on X at Preserving Liberty. But I've been one of the more censored people the last four years. So sadly, I had to use a different type of name on X. But you can find me there. You can find me on Truth Social and Getter and a couple of others. And of course, my website, which is jbushow.com, as you can see behind me.
What got you censored that we now know to be just simply axiomatically true?
Well, that would take up the majority of our segment, but I'll give you the skinny on it. I exposed Ilhan Omar, Ilhan Noor Syed Omni, where she came from, how she came to America. And long story short, she didn't like that too much. So within about a 48-hour period, I was pretty much ghosted. They attacked my Amazon Prime show. They attacked my Roku television show.
They attacked YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, you name it, all of it, even LinkedIn. I finally got my LinkedIn account back only about a week ago. So it's been a rough ride, but I'm here on the other side, and I wrote my first book, and I'm looking forward to Brendan Carr changing some of the rules, hopefully, when it comes to censorship in this country.
Yeah, that certainly would be. I mean, the fact that we even have to say that is so odd to me. I mean, the First Amendment has been under attack. I can't get my head around it. It's so contrary to every principle I thought we lived by.
Put it this way. We are in America. And for me to speak freely the past four years, I have to rely on a full 24-7, 365 security team in another country. Let that set in for a second.
In other words, I'm a little confused. You had personal security issues or security to make sure your material stays out there?
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