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FDA Fast Tracks Self-Amplifying mRNA for Bird Flu… Where Is MAHA? w/ Jack Posobiec & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 476
Fri, 18 Apr 2025
President Trump is not immune to criticism from MAHA supporters who voted for him at the behest of Robert F. Kennedy Jr – especially when it comes to mRNA. Though RFK is delivering on promises to investigate the causes of autism and remove fluoride from public water, Trump’s FDA just granted “fast track designation” for a potential bird flu vaccine – a self-amplifying, ‘next-generation’ mRNA in phase 1 clinical trials. Why is Trump so attached to developing mRNA when an enormous number of his voters are against it? Jack Posobiec is a Senior Editor at Human Events and a veteran Navy Intelligence Officer. He authored Bullet Proof: The Truth about the Assassination Attempts on Donald Trump and co-authored Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions. More at https://x.com/JackPosobiec and https://humanevents.com Andrew Gruel is a food entrepreneur, small business advocate, and newly sworn-in City Council Member in Huntington Beach, CA. He is the CEO and founder of American Gravy Restaurant Group. During Covid lockdowns, he and his wife raised a million dollars for restaurant workers. More at https://x.com/chefgruel and https://chefgruel.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who are the guests featured in this episode and what are their backgrounds?
We've got a lot to get into today. Jack Posobiec joins. He really needs no introduction. Posso is obviously one of the more popular commentators out there. You can find his books. He's senior editor of Human Events, veteran Navy intelligence officer. Bulletproof is the book. The other book was on humans, both of which we will discuss.
Bulletproof, which you see up there, is the truth about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump. And then Andrew Gruhl will join us after a little while. He, of course, a food entrepreneur. You see him regularly on Gutfeld. Now on city council in Huntington Beach, CEO and founder of American Gravy Restaurant Group. And really, we'll talk about his wonderful food.
And he's working with a wellness company. And he has a book. there with the Brave group. And at the, let me make sure I'm getting that correctly. Yes. And after we speak with them, I'm going to speak to Angela Alvarez. We're going to talk a little bit about grieving parents and organizations to support that after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre.
A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.
We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop, and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. I recently learned about a great product line formulated using a novel scientific breakthrough.
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Chapter 2: What are the key insights from Jack Posobiec on tariffs and foreign policy?
Dr. Drew, so great to see you again. And by the way, just a wonderful time I had with you at the White House not too long ago for the podcast row that we did.
It was fun. I want to get your thoughts about all that. Any standout moments for you?
Well, really, I think the standout for me personally was Secretary Besant and sitting with the Secretary of the Treasury. Now, this was just a few days before the Liberation Day and the tariff movement really took off with President Trump just a few days later. So we were talking more about the mineral deal that had been – the subject of a lot of negotiations between the U.S.
and Ukraine vis-a-vis the Ukraine-Russia war. And I had actually traveled with Secretary Besant to Ukraine to present the earliest draft of that mineral deal to President Zelensky over in Kiev in the presidential complex there. We know that's really become something of a big football between the two countries. But it was really those ideas of understanding, I think,
The briefing that he was able to give my audience, and that's Human Events Daily every day right here on X, 2 to 3 p.m. Eastern, by the way, that we were then much more informed, I think, than the mainstream media when the tariffs were rolled out a few days later because, hey, he's given us the inside track on exactly what the plan is.
The other thing, I got him right after you. And by the way, I was trying to get Alina Alba too, and she bolted right after she talked to you.
So I don't know what went on there, but you scared her off. And Bobby did the same thing to me.
It's true. It was really fun. It was really a great opportunity, frankly. It was great to meet these people in person and poke at them a little bit. But I got Besant. I guess I'm being criticized for not mispronouncing his name. I guess the syllable, the first syllable is emphasized. Besant, is that correct? Am I getting it finally? But in any event...
He emphasized to me, I tried to talk to him a little bit about cost savings. He was not interested. He goes, wouldn't it be great if we do have cost savings, but I'm going to be focused on deregulation. We've got to unravel the regulatory state. Did he say anything? He didn't give me any specifics. Did he give you any?
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Chapter 3: How does Andrew Gruel describe his role and challenges as a city council member?
I saw that. We're graced by an actual elected official here. Let's hold his feet to the fire, guys. Yeah. Well, you know...
It's been interesting. I always say if you want to understand politics and you want to get an MBA in politics, start on a city level in city council. It was pitched to me as a few meetings a month. I'm probably up to meeting number 100 right now. But I genuinely love it. It is fascinating. Understanding city politics, the general plan, the strategic plan.
I also get about 50 emails a day about potholes and speed bumps and left-hand turns that should be put in place. So it's the granular stuff and the broad stuff. But the city of Huntington Beach right now has multiple lawsuits against the state of California. for their overreach. We're a charter city. So many of the things that are trying to force down upon us are elite, not just illegal.
I mean, it's unconstitutional. More recently, Measure A, which is our voter ID that was passed unanimously here in the city of Huntington Beach by voter and obviously city council. We were sued by the state of California. And then because they said we couldn't do that by state law, but we're a chartered city and we recently won that lawsuit.
So Huntington Beach being a 7-0 majority is gonna set the state for many other cities in California and hopefully around the country where we can fight this craziness and show that you can do it on a local level. So that's really important.
It is craziness. And the fact that more cities aren't fighting back, I just, everyone feels sort of helpless. I noticed recently, Jack, that we are sort of around the world. I'm hearing people talk about government's money being their money. It's my money, my tax money that they're misappropriating or using so casually. I've not heard that in a long, long time, like since maybe the 60s or 70s.
It's almost like we forgot that. that the government is funded by the people, meant to represent the people. When you hear it, it sounds odd that we've not been talking that way up until this point.
I do think it's odd, but it's also, I think, part and parcel of Elon Musk. I've got to give him credit for this. People know Elon from the Teslas. They know him for SpaceX.
But he's decided to wear this new hat of Doge and say, look, we actually should keep an eye on where our money is going, what is happening with the taxpayer dollars, because this is part and parcel of everything that we've been talking about.
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Chapter 4: What is the government's influence on the food supply and what are the consequences?
That's exactly where it came from. But Andrew, so what do I do with the genetic food issue? That's why I've been sort of agnostic about GMOs because I've been like, I watched it do something pretty good. I don't know what to do with it now.
Yeah, the GMO movement that did start in the 60s and the 70s has obviously been credited for stopping famine, just like you just described right now. However, what happens with new technologies always in the form of a government manipulation becomes the curse that it was intended to avoid.
Because GMOs went from just really creating a system in which we can grow some more of these commodity crops to let's continue to genetically modify. Let's patent that modification.
Let's give a handful of corporations the ability to work hand in glove with the government behind closed doors to continue to manipulate the food supply and manipulate the food supply in a manner in which we give power to a small handful or cadre of people. Right. So look at what's happened with Monsanto. Look at what's what happened with a lot of these corporations.
patented modifications on our crops and fertilizers, et cetera, which have, once again, consolidated the hands of our food system, agricultural, terrestrial, all across the board into a few big corporations and has made the food less healthy. It's ruined the soil. There's been all these unintended consequences. So it's the same idea.
But it's interesting to me that my experience as a physician is the same as you as a chef, which is centralization of authority. It has a horrible effect. You need to distribute authority out to where the food is produced, out to where the doctors are taking care of patients. And it's the same thing, isn't it, in food?
Yeah, you have something good and then the government gets involved and it turns into something bad. It's the same old formula over and over again. That calculus could be repeated in every single industry, every single conversation.
I like talking about it through food because that's approachable and people understand it as opposed to a lot of the obfuscation that we see in other areas of the government. But now look right now, right? Geoengineering. We're seeing a lot about cloud seeding and these chemtrails, et cetera. Let's put the chemtrails aside. Let's just talk about geoengineering in general.
and manipulating the environment, the air above us. That is a fact. That is a proven fact. And so much of it hasn't been studied. And yet the government kind of controls those mechanisms by which they're engineering the ecosystem. And what's the long-term effect of that going to be? Some of it is said to be good right now, just like it could have been with GMOs in the 60s and 70s.
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Chapter 5: How have past environmental predictions and GMO technology shaped current views on food and climate?
either of you have any Andrew you're shaking your head yes any thoughts about that
Just a mere question itself should not be a catalyst for backlash and being called a conspiracy theorist. And this is what I see out of Maha, right? Everybody kind of has their own definition. Some are very, very specific. Some are kind of really granular. And in my case, it's a bit more nuanced.
And I think from a much grander perspective in the sense that, number one, we're talking about all this. That's key. Number two, the information is transparent. I don't believe we're going to get into a world where we completely flip the government upside down and we're able to shake out big pharma and all the corporate interest that's already stitched into the framework of the government.
Instead, I believe that it's going to be a one or two or three step process. We got to stew the meat. We can't boil it. So what I see happening right now is that the media is trying to create conflict within the Maha Maga movement because it scares them. Because as Jack said, it's one of the most powerful political movements we've seen in probably 100 years.
And in what they're doing, though, is they're telling on themselves because now we're in this stage one piece of the conversation and we're all talking about it. And now it's under this microscope. People are going to be loud about it.
And it's my goal here to get people to understand it so that if anything, if this thing does start to get pushed through, that there's labeling and there's no mandates, there's full transparency. transparency on this from the food all the way through that supply chain. And that in and of itself is a bigger success from what we saw in the previous administration.
So to that point, I give it two thumbs up.
Yeah, I completely agree with you. The mandate is the bioethical problem. Andrew, I'm going to let you go. Jack, can I keep you an extra five minutes? I want to get an intelligence primer from you, if you don't mind. Here we go.
Always be ready to be brief.
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Chapter 6: What is the discussion around the FDA fast tracking self-amplifying mRNA vaccines for bird flu?
So people can check that out, of course, live. And yes, the book is on humans. And then the podcast is just Human Events Daily. If you ever miss it live, you just always get it there.
Grievance, grievance, grievance, envy. You and I will keep talking about that until this all settles down, which I hope to God one day it does. So to wrap things up here, tell us something disturbing. Susan wants to be upset when she finishes this conversation. So tell us something you're worried about with the intelligence community. I saw Mike Benz do a big three-hour expose.
I think it was yesterday. And to me, it feels like more of the same, more of the same. But are there some extraordinary landmines out there waiting to go off?
Well, certainly what I would say, though, is the big one that we do have to watch out for is if you're looking in terms of foreign policy, you've got situations where they just stopped this massive load of explosives going from Poland into Belarus. It was a record-setting haul, I guess, of these explosives, another potential flare-up of
the Ukraine-Russia war, potential for false flag attacks and potential for even terroristic style attacks, assassinations going on over there.
So as we wind down things and the peace process gets started vis-a-vis Russia, also, by the way, with Iran and this talk of denuclearization and shutting down the programs, we also have to understand that there are hardliners in all of these countries, including ours, by the way, including the United States, that don't want peace to happen. So how would that express itself?
Well, it would express itself with lethal attacks, with violence that is blamed potentially on opponents. It would express itself with the striking down of patriots who have gone into some of these positions like the USAID or the Department of Defense and others. And
you have look there are billions and billions of dollars on the line in terms of the military industrial uh complex the same way by the way that big pharma gets billions and billions of dollars from their contracts as well and so for people to think
that all of this is gonna just be wound down, whether it's Maha, whether it's MAGA, whether it's anti-war, just understand that you are going up against absolutely billions of dollars. And of course, Secretary Besant, as we were talking earlier, saw the exact same thing on the economic front.
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Chapter 7: What is Maha, how does it relate to MAGA, and what are the challenges for this movement?
Oh, no, I was saying the bubonic plague was coming, and there's no doubt in my mind.
Oh, anthrax for a minute.
Yeah, we had anthrax for a second.
We had the contagion kit for that.
Yeah, we also had the Fukushima nuclear thing that we were expecting.
Yeah, but you need to have like codeine and Percocet. Oh, Susan's worried about getting high when things go really bad, Jack.
Fukushima, that was going to get into the mercury, which is going to affect the tuna, if I remember correctly.
That's right. That's right. And we all have big supplies of iodine. Anyway, but you're right.
And water, have a lot of water on hand. Definitely. I have a lot. And Drew was like, why do we have so much water? I go, I don't know. Cause maybe the neighborhood's going to burn down and they're going to tell us not to drink our water.
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Chapter 8: What intelligence concerns does Jack Posobiec raise about current geopolitical risks and citizen preparedness?
I know, we're getting old.
They are one of the premier or models, I would say, for therapeutic living environments and educational environments for young people at risk, particularly those that have come from abuse, people come out of the foster care system. If we only had 10,000 of these, we could literally solve the mental health problems in this country.
But Hillside has brought us today Angela Alvarez, and it's thanks to her guys that she is here. She has a very interesting story of her own. I will let her tell that story. But she has, because of that, she is committed to several causes. And we're going to particularly focus on grief management. But I also want to focus on homelessness, too, if you'll permit me.
So, Angela, we appreciate you being here very much. Tell us, perhaps we start with your story or start with the organization.
Well, I am so happy to have found Hills. And it was mostly because I am a grieving mother. This is my son, Jeremiah.
Oh, he's lovely.
My sweet son meant the world. He still does. I attended some meetings with compassionate friends, which... They have a worldwide following. There's chapters everywhere.
Would you hand that to me so I can get a better picture of it? Because I think the light was doing weird stuff on it. Caleb, you can switch it, yes? There we are.
I still have trouble seeing it. This organization is for grieving parents and they support grandparents and siblings and mostly we get together, we speak about our children and It can be at times heartbreaking, ultimately uplifting.
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