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Alison Morrow: Emmy-Winning Journalist FIRED For Refusing To Censor Interview With Doctor, Launches Lawsuit Against Washington State – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 431
Sat, 07 Dec 2024
Emmy-winning journalist Alison Morrow was fired by Washington state authorities after she defied their orders to censor an interview with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – an act he calls “a clear violation by a government employer of an employee’s First Amendment free speech rights.” Reclaim The Net reports that with the “Silent Majority Foundation, Morrow has filed a lawsuit against the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR) and its top officials, citing wrongful termination.” “I was told I could never interview Dr Kheriaty (or anyone with ideas like his) ever again if I wanted to keep my job… when I refused, I was fired,” writes Alison. “And I would do it all over again.” Alison Morrow (AKA Alison Westover) is an Emmy Award-winning journalist and media analyst with over a decade of experience in television news. A former FOX News producer and environmental reporter for NBC Seattle (KING TV), she holds a Master of Divinity from Boston University specializing in Psychology & Counseling. Morrow has earned an Associated Press Award and the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Excellence in Journalism. She currently hosts podcasts focused on environmental issues and media analysis, particularly covering endangered Southern Resident killer whales. Find more at https://alisonmorrowmedia.com and follow her at https://x.com/alisonmorrowTV Pete Serrano is Director and General Counsel for Silent Majority Foundation. Learn more at https://silentmajorityfoundation.org Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is a co-founder of Seraphina Therapeutics. She holds a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Tufts University, a Master of Public Health from Emory University, and completed a National Research Council Associateship with the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center. As a Technical Agent for DARPA and researcher with the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, she discovered C15:0’s role in preventing Cellular Fragility Syndrome. This led her to co-found Seraphina Therapeutics, developing the fatty15 supplement. Find more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why was Alison Morrow fired?
Coming to you today from New York City, we've got a lot of exciting guests today. We have Alison Moreau, she is, well, she's award winning journalist who was fired after she refused to censor an interview with our friend, Erin Cariotti. Who would wanna censor Erin, which is bizarre. She is suing and we're gonna speak to her attorney about this case as well.
Again, she defied their orders to censor, and it's a clear violation. This is now words of her attorney, I believe, by a government employer of an employee's First Amendment free speech rights. Reclaim the Net reports that with silent majority foundation, Barrow has filed a lawsuit against the Washington State Department of Natural Resource, DNR, and its top officials citing wrongful termination.
And then we will be visited by our friend from Fatty 15, which is Stephanie Van Watson. We're going to get into the longevity nutrient. New book, very important information. Great show. Be right back after this. Our laws, as it pertains to substances, are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this.
He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.
I'm a doctor for five months.
Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say.
I got a lot more to say. I'm excited to bring you a new product, a new supplement, Fatty. I take it. I make Susan take it. My whole family takes it. This comes out of, believe it or not, dolphin research. The Navy maintains a fleet of dolphins, and a brilliant veterinarian recognized that these dolphins sometimes developed a syndrome identical to our Alzheimer's disease.
Those dolphins were deficient in a particular fatty acid. She replaced the fatty acid. and they didn't get the Alzheimer's. Humans have the same issue. And we are more deficient in this particular fatty acid than ever before. And a simple replacement of this fatty acid called C15 will help us prevent these syndromes. It's published in a recent journal called Metabolites. It's a new nutritional
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of the First Amendment lawsuit?
He actually said that somebody, who was it? Dr. Collins told him, said he was a fringe epidemiologist or something like that in one of the emails that got released in the Twitter files.
And they had to do it. They had to create a devastating takedown. A devastated takedown of a fringe epidemiologist. But in a weird way, the fact that they could call somebody like him a fringe player immediately tipped me off that there was a hysteria. There was something really wrong here in terms of people's thinking.
And the other thing I saw, and Francis Collins eventually admitted to this, that they weren't doing what doctors are required to do in every decision they make, which is consider risk-based. benefits, risk, reward. And they seem to be marching ahead with zero, first of all, they're making things up, but then even with that, zero concern for risk.
Right. And that psychological operation, whatever you want to call it, was so effective with journalists. And they bought into it hook, line, and sinker and were just believing, like you said, that all these people that were going rogue against the CDC were some kind of fringe weirdos, you know, that just didn't know science. And it just didn't make any sense. Murderers.
Murderers. They wanted to kill people. They wanted people to die. They were cast as murderers.
Yeah. No, yeah, truly. And then also, there was also this lie that it was like just the disinformation dozen. You know, just a dozen people. You know, I have chickens. I know what a dozen is. Just a dozen. It fits in your little egg carton. And, you know, it's not any more than that, questioning what's going on here.
And so a lot of these journalists, you know, I think they didn't do their research. And they're just like, oh, it's just a few people, so let's just go after them. And that was... again, one of the reasons I decided to start interviewing these people personally, I just wanted to know what was really going on, but also I just wanted to show like, look, these people are at Stanford.
They're at the university of California. They're not, not, not that I have anything against an underground bunker. I live in Florida. I would probably have one if it wouldn't flood, but this is not where these people were coming from. And I just would like, Oh man, it was just mind blowing to me that
That you that you could so easily turn them into complete extremist quacks when it's like these people are just you're like run of the mill doctors. You know, they're just people who have been in business and practice for decades and they're they're totally normal.
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Chapter 3: What role did censorship play during the COVID-19 pandemic?
And it just went from one delusional thought process to another. And it's truly hysteria and delusion. Now, you studied psychology. Do you agree with me? Because the delusion basically is a thought that's not real. It's not connected to reality per se. And it can't be assailed with rational discourse. That's a delusion. And that's what we were into for sure.
And there's still remnants of it, strangely.
Yeah. No, I agree with you. I mean, like I said, I tend to look at things from a psycho-spiritual perspective, so I think it's both. But there is no point going to the mat and arguing with a person that's kind of in that mindset. It's a waste of time. I have people on the show that I disagree with a lot. I mean, quite a bit. And I just like hearing what they have to say. Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, what's the big deal? We just walk away and I either disagree or agree with you, but I don't have to get emotional and fight you about it. But like I said, it switched at some point, and I pick 2016, but I'm sure it was mounting. It wasn't just like the faucet just turned on then. I'm sure that we were pushing towards something like that before. Right.
But it went from journalism is trying to understand the outlier to journalism is trying to silence the outlier. And whoever's in charge of that, whoever was pulling the strings on that, if there is such a person like that or a group of people like that, they did it masterfully. Because a lot of journalists don't know they're participating in something like this.
They truly believe they are the righteous martyrs and they're doing something right. And people just don't want to eat their broccoli. I mean, I heard that quite a bit, like when I would challenge people, you know, you're getting this wrong, you're getting that wrong, or people don't like you. You know, they're very offended when they hear fake news.
Oh, we're working so hard and nobody likes us anymore and it's all Trump's fault. And so the way they look at that is like, People just have been fed this diet of news candy, and they're trying really hard to get you back to broccoli. And if you don't like it, it's just because you don't like broccoli. They don't see it as like maybe they're doing something wrong.
So let's tiptoe now into the, we'll get your lawyer in here in a second, the First Amendment issues. Because you've used a lot of interesting words. You said, used the word PSYOP and you're talking about, well, it was what it was. It's really what it was, whether it was a massive PSYOP or just a de facto PSYOP, I don't know.
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Chapter 4: How did Alison Morrow's background influence her perspective?
And so, yeah, I mean, that was such a brilliant... You were talking about the term psyop. Like, that is so brilliant. If there was somebody who came up with that, the idea that you can... you can silence people, not by force, but by basically brainwashing them to believe that they need to silence themselves. Otherwise they will be ostracized in any number of ways.
And people just can't handle that. They, they just like, they need to stay in their little groups. They, they want to make sure whether it's, I totally understand the job thing. Look, I get it. I lost my job, a significant income, but all kinds of other things besides that, you know, I don't want my grandma to hate me or I, I, you know, people don't even date folks now because
who vote differently. So yeah, this whole team sport thing on social media where we can't talk to anyone who's different from us, it was sinister but brilliant, however that came to be. And yeah, it drives me totally nuts.
So give me the plan. If I talk to Allison four or five years from now, what will she have accomplished? What does she want to get done?
Okay. I have a small farm with chickens and goats and cows and a horse. And I would really love for those animals to feed our family. Right now I'm like a failed farmer. So that would be amazing. And then on top of it, I've started to sell some eggs. So I would love for there to be maybe some farm income. So that's like one of my big goals. I have two young children and I love raising them.
We're planning to homeschool. One's four and one's two. So that's the other thing that the farm works towards is just being able to teach our kids how to raise animals and just learn about actual skills that can keep you alive. And I'd love to keep the podcast going. I don't know what's going to happen with the lawsuit. I think my hope is that
I come to this in a spirit of love, but truthfulness, not resentment. I think right now where we're failing in the opposition is that we're all very angry. And I think this comes out in the way we're talking to people and trying to make progress here. And my parents taught me a long time ago that
when you love somebody, love your neighbor as yourself, when you love somebody, you tell them the truth. But you tell them the truth in love, in a spirit of love, not in a spirit of revenge. And so I hope that that is the atmosphere of this lawsuit, that it is Allison standing up and saying, this was wrong what you did to me, but to do it in a spirit of love and not revenge.
And whatever happens at the end, if that is the journey, then I'll be grateful for that. So we'll see. I don't have any long-term plans other than being a mom and a wife is my number one priority. If the animals can feed my family, that would be great. And if people still want to watch my show, then that would be wonderful too. And I really appreciate your having me on. This is such an honor.
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Chapter 5: What is the Silent Majority Foundation?
It just is. Yeah, it just is.
Yeah, it just is.
Keep going. We appreciate it. Alice Morrow TV on X, follow her there. I will certainly do so and look forward to speaking at some point in the future as things evolve.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
You got it. All right, we are going to switch gears entirely, and we're going to talk about the biology of longevity. We're going to have a little more dolphin talk, a little hot dolphin talk. We'll go back to the story about the dolphin that brought the diver up from 100 feet under the ocean. It is a crazy story. Is your mic on? So, okay. And let me give Stephanie's particulars here.
You guys know Stephanie, Stephanie Van Watson. You can follow her on... Well, she just wants you to go to the Fatty 15 website. And the Longevity Nutrient is the book coming out. We're going to talk about it in great detail. Looking very forward to this book. There it is. Unexpected fat that holds the key to healthy aging.
And we're going to talk about, there's a lot of chatter about inflammation and oxidative stress. And I don't think people really understand what that is. And Stephanie is a great communicator. And she is the brains behind bringing us Fatty 15. So you know she's the real deal in terms of our science background.
And we're going to try to explain it to people in a way you can understand it and why things like fatty 15 are very important nutrients for us all to be on. And we'll be right back after this. Wellness company knows that taking charge of your family's healthcare is a top priority and being rationally ready. And who knows what the future will hold for us.
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Chapter 6: How does the media landscape affect free speech?
were aging healthier than others. Specifically, some dolphins were aging slower at a slower rate than other dolphins. So we were able to use this advanced technology called metabolomics. We looked at hundreds of small molecules to figure out which small molecule predicted the healthiest aging dolphins.
And long story short, there at the top was C15, a molecule I had never heard of, which ends up being a surprising saturated fat. And we didn't know it at the time. This was back in 2012, 2015. We didn't know it at the time, but the dolphins had just unlocked the secret to longevity.
And let's talk about it. So you then identified a deficiency in that our modern diet has relatively poor sourcing of this particular molecule. And I'm guessing the book chronicles this progress, right? You go along and let's talk about the deficiency and then the cellular fragility and what can be learned from the book.
That's right. Exactly. So this discovery we talked about just, you know, was started by the surprising discovery with dolphins. We very quickly then moved this pure saturated free fatty acid into the lab. And we spent three years doing eight studies.
to understand not only is this saturated fat a beneficial, a good fat, but it met these rare criteria being the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in over 90 years. So this was an added shocking discovery. And as an essential fatty acid, just like you shared, if something is truly essential, it's a nutrient that our bodies have to have,
then we would expect to see a nutritional deficiency. Like, you know, when you think about things like vitamin C deficiency in scurvy and vitamin D deficiency in rickets, this is the first deficiency syndrome found in over 75 years. It's called cellular fragility syndrome, and it's caused by us having too low levels of It was timely that Allison was talking about having goats on our farm.
You know, a big reason our C15 levels have declined is our primary source of C15 is from dairy fat. And it is highest in animals that are grass fed, you know, and fed kind of like on your old kind of older school farms.
Yeah, and we have had so much indoctrination about low fat, low fat, low fat, and all these crazy moves away from butter and tallow that were at best ill-advised, at worst catastrophic. And this is one of the byproducts of all that. I would argue, though, that as you get... Let's talk about this.
So as you get into the topic of longevity, though, you can't get that much longevity effects from dietary sources, I'm guessing, unless you really supplement this product.
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Chapter 7: What future plans does Alison Morrow have for her platform?
Right. It's this weird polar molecule. We like to get the electrons from it, but when it loses or gains, it becomes more polar, and then it can rip through things. And that's the problem. We're going to attach to things. And I think it's mostly in cell membrane. It's kind of attaching, right? Isn't that how it does its damage?
Exactly. So this insidious Jekyll and Hyde, insidious nature of oxygen really happens at the cell membrane level. You know, we're made out of three trillion cells and every one of our cells is surrounded by a membrane and armor. And that armor is made up of fatty acids. And there was this whole theory that came out from A.J. Holbert back in 2005 called the cell membrane age aging theory theory.
of aging, cell membrane pacemaker theory of aging. Think of that, right? And what he showed was that the more fragile the fatty acids in a cell membrane, the more susceptible those cells to being attacked by oxygen, resulting in this thing called lipid peroxidation or oxidative stress. And that then made a cell fragile fall apart. And that incited inflammation throughout the body
and resulted in shorter lifespans. This cell membrane pacemaker theory of aging explains how humans live longer than mice. It's all about how strong versus how fragile our cell membranes are.
And again, these can be... And when they fall apart, to me, that's when the inflammation kicks in because you have senescence and other inflammatory sort of mediators coming in to clean everything up. But I think about the oxidation part as being the precursor to the inflammation in a weird way, even though... I guess it has an inflammatory course to it as the oxygen gets loose.
But when it's bound on the cell membrane as lipid peroxidase, it's just weakening the cell membrane. And it doesn't just do that to the exterior of the cell. It also does to the mitochondrial membranes, right? Maybe even more so.
It does. And so it's just the, you know, kind of what you're going through here is it's a cycle that feeds on itself. So when we have, you know, oxygen and we have two fragile fatty acids in our cell membrane, and these are fatty acids that have double bonds. That's what the secret of C15 is that it's a sturdy fat that has no double bonds. So It is completely resistant to this oxidative stress.
But if we have cell membranes with too many fragile fatty acids in it, oxygen goes in and attacks it. It makes it weak. The cell falls apart. That happens in, like you said, both the cell membrane or mitochondria, the powerhouses of our cells. That then sets up the cell for getting fragile, hence cellular fragility syndrome.
And that incites release of pro-inflammatory cytokines, this inflammatory response, and in fact, a whole new form of cell death called feroptosis. And it's entirely a new way our cells are dying due to this syndrome of lipid peroxidation, oxidative stress in our cell membranes.
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