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Who Was Sitting Bull?

Mon, 13 Jan 2025

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Sitting Bull, Jumping Badger, Slow - what do we know about the man who went by each of these names? How did he earn them and what was his role in the changing United States of the late 19th century?Don is joined by none other than Sitting Bull's great-grandson, Ernie Lapointe, to hear stories passed down in his family about this Native American icon of resistance.Ernie is a Vietnam veteran and author of 'Sitting Bull: His Life and Legacy'.Produced by Sophie Gee. Edited by Aidan Lonergan. Senior Producer was Charlotte Long.Sign up to History Hit for hundreds of hours of original documentaries, with a new release every week and ad-free podcasts. Sign up at https://www.historyhit.com/subscribe.  You can take part in our listener survey here.All music from Epidemic Sound/All3 MediaAmerican History Hit is a History Hit podcast.

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Chapter 1: Who was Sitting Bull and why is he significant?

1170.27 - 1191.769 Don Wildman

The treaty established the so-called Great Sioux Reservation, a large swath of lands west of the Missouri River. It also designated the Black Hills as a, quote, unceded Indian territory, unquote, for the exclusive use of Native peoples, alongside focusing on the so-called integration of Native people into white settler society.

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1191.809 - 1228.559 Don Wildman

But in June 1874, General George Custer led an expedition into the Black Hills and Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 So, can you tell me, Ernie, why the Black Hills are so integral to the Native American people?

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1228.599 - 1251.862 Ernie Lapointe

They give them the Black Hills, which is where I live right now, that constitute a spiritual realm. So, many people who passed away are buried along the outer edges, some are on the inside. It's like a cemetery, a burial grounds, different places. And to us, it's sacred, everything about this, because... I'll take a step back and tell you about why they call it Turtle Island.

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1251.922 - 1275.241 Ernie Lapointe

If you look at the Earth from space, it looks like a big turtle. The right leg is Florida and its left hind leg is the Baja Peninsula of California and its tail curves into the Central America. Und seine Hände gehen nach Kanada hoch. Und in der Mitte, das Herz der Turtel, sind die Black Hills. Wieder einmal, ein weiterer Schritt zurück, ist, dass das ganze Welt unter Wasser war.

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1275.261 - 1300.81 Ernie Lapointe

Im Grunde haben die Christen das gleiche Konzept. Noah und sein Boot und so weiter. Aber in diesem, gab es diese Wasser überall. And on top of the water was Valkantanka, the great mystery, on a buffalo rope. And he was floating on top of the water like a boat. And then he heard a voice call. Now each storyteller tells this differently. So he looked up and he seen this.

1300.85 - 1321.054 Ernie Lapointe

Some say it's an eagle, some say it's a hawk, some say it's a crow. Everybody, depending on each nation who tells this story. I use the eagle. This eagle was flying above him and he's yelling down at the creator. Er sagt, dass er sich etwas müde fühlt. Seine Hände sind müde. Er hat das Land, das Licht. Der Kreator hat sich in seine Medizin-Bäckchen eingereicht.

1321.074 - 1341.792 Ernie Lapointe

Er hatte eine Bässe mit heiligen Items. Er hat sie in eine Lune genommen. Es war ein kleiner Hund. Er hat gesagt, schiebe mich nach unten und bringe mir etwas Müd. Die Lune ist weg. He was gone for a while, come back up and he says, man, he says, I can't even see the bottom. So he reached in and took out an otter. He says, you go down. So he drove, he's gone a little longer.

1341.852 - 1356.539 Ernie Lapointe

Then he came back up and said, man, he said, I can't even see the bottom. So he actually took out a beaver. A beaver had a flat tail, so he said, propel yourself to the bottom. So he went. He was gone for a while and he come back up and he says, man, he said, I can see the bottom. He said, but my lungs are bursting. He said, I couldn't get to it.

1356.559 - 1372.986 Ernie Lapointe

So he reached in his little bag and took out a turtle. He says, you dive to the bottom. So... Jedes Mal, wenn einer von diesen Jungs weint, hat er einen Drummer. Er hat einen Drummer und er singt eine Geheimnis-Song für ihn. Und sein Turtel, er war weg. Und die anderen drei, die mit ihm sitzen, sagten, er ist weg. Und dann kam er wieder zurück.

Chapter 4: Why did Sitting Bull resist treaties with the U.S. government?

2257.552 - 2278.77 Ernie Lapointe

Also kam er her und sie haben ihn eingeladen. Sie hatten einen Interpreter, der beide gesprochen hat. Und er hat gesagt, er war beeindruckt von ihr, dass jemand, der so kurz ist, Sie war so ein toller Schuss. Und er gab ihr ein Paar Moccasins, Moccasins mit Moccasins als Geschenk. Weil ich diese Annie Oakley's große Großvaterin kennengelernt habe. Sie ist jetzt weggegangen, aber sie lebt in Ohio.

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2278.81 - 2300.724 Ernie Lapointe

Sie erzählte mir die Geschichte über die Moccasins, die mein Großvater ihr gab. Und anyhow, er kam zurück zur Standung. Und das ist, was Cody herausgefunden hat. Also kam er und fragte McLaughlin. Und McLaughlin hat ihm erlaubt, das zu tun, weil er wollte, dass die Welt, das Land zu sehen, dass Sitting Bull ein Schwachsinn war. Killer und all this kind of stuff. So he allowed Cody to take it.

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2300.764 - 2321.928 Ernie Lapointe

So they started out east and by the time they got to halfway across the United States, you know, every time they had a show, people would come and hiss at him, spit at him and yell derogatory marks at him. He didn't understand what they were saying, but he couldn't figure out, why are they doing this, you know? I mean, he had a whole group of natives with him. They were doing reenactments.

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2321.988 - 2342.901 Ernie Lapointe

And so finally, eventually, one of the Translators came up and he told my grandfather, he said, that big banner that's just over a gate. But Cody wrote and said, come see Sillingville, killer of Custer. And they would spit at him and yell at him. So he started to realize that this wasn't really like the Albert Allen show, you know, that people showed respect to him.

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2342.961 - 2360.636 Ernie Lapointe

It was just using him as a prop to make money. People were paying money to come see him. And they booed him and all kinds of stuff. But as he went along, they went further east and they got to the east coast. And they were at the city, what they call the city of Brotherly Love, which is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

2360.696 - 2380.194 Ernie Lapointe

And they were there and people of Philadelphia came and wanted to show him the city of Brotherly Love. So him and his group, they took him out into the streets. And they were walking down the streets. And the minute they walked down the street, all these little white kids come out. They were dirty-faced, raggedy clothing, hungry. And they were begging for food. My grandfather was shocked.

2380.274 - 2443.075 Ernie Lapointe

He says, wow. Lakota, we call our children Wakansha, which is short for Wakant Ichaka. Something sacred is growing. It never goes hungry, cold, hungry. Es ist in einem Artikel im Journalismus. Ein Freund von mir hat gefragt, ob das wirklich passiert ist. Ich sagte, unsere alte Geschichte erzählt uns das. Er sah es und ging in die Archive der Philadelphia Newspaper.

2443.156 - 2479.786 Ernie Lapointe

Er fand dieses kleine Artikel in der Philadelphia Newspaper, das hatte ihn da, was er machte. Er hatte Geld und Geld für die heimischen Kinder. Ja. Ja. Ja. So he is returned to Standing Rock. And you mentioned a minute ago that his death was precipitated by the native people there. Can you tell us about that and about the vision that he has of this?

2496.448 - 2520.654 Ernie Lapointe

Right after he came back from the Cody thing, the people were getting kind of, I guess, at the end of their rope. They were losing hope. And these two guys, Chickenberry and Shortbow, were two native guys. And they heard about this guy who sent out word to all nations, all people in the world, I mean the United States. His name was Waboka. He was a Paiute Indian in Nevada.

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