Did the Confederates predict that secession would lead to war? How ready were they to fight? And what was their military strategy?Cecily Zander is back on the podcast for this third part of our series on the Confederacy. Listen to find out who was in charge, and whether there was ever a point when they might have won.Cecily is the author of the upcoming 'Abraham Lincoln and the American West', and 'The Army Under Fire: Antimilitarism in the Civil War Era'.Produced and edited by Sophie Gee. Senior Producer was Charlotte Long.Sign up to History Hit for hundreds of hours of original documentaries, with a new release every week and ad-free podcasts. Sign up at https://www.historyhit.com/subscribe. You can take part in our listener survey here.All music from Epidemic Sounds.American History Hit is a History Hit podcast.
Chapter 1: What was the Confederacy's initial plan and prediction about the war?
Grüße, Leute, es ist Don Wildman hier, euer Host für ein weiteres Video von American History Hit. Willkommen. Heute ist ein Teil unserer Deep Dive-Serie über die Natur und die Praxis der Konföderation. Die 11 Staaten, die von der Union über den Winter und den Frühjahr 1860-1861 verabschiedeten, die in den Krieg bis 1865 engagierten.
Südkarolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Nordkarolina und Tennessee in dieser chronologischen Ordnung. Ich liste sie, um zu sagen, was für eine massive Geografie von 750.000 Quadratmetern wir betrachten. Was die Frage ist, wie würden sie diese Krieg kämpfen? Was war die Strategie?
Gegen so einen hervorragenden Feu wie die Vereinigten Staaten, deren Bevölkerung die Süd-Mortem 3 zu 1 übernommen hat. Keine Ahnung, ihre offenen Vorteile in Equipment und Supplies. Cecily Zander kommt heute mit mir, wie sie es in der Vergangenheit herzlich gemacht hat. Cecily war mein Gast für Episode 162, Ulysses S. Grant und der Zivilen Krieg.
She is author of Abraham Lincoln and the American West, a manuscript in progress. Also The Army Under Fire, Anti-Militarism in the Civil War Era from 2024. Welcome Cicely Zander back to American History. Thanks for coming.
Danke, Don.
Danke, dass du mich kennengelernt hast.
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Chapter 2: Who were the key military leaders of the Confederacy?
So I think they thought they might be allowed to go in peace if they did it carefully. But they also did immediately start seizing United States military installations, federal arsenals, weapons, and they started enlisting an army pretty quickly. So I think they had in the back of their minds, a war was not a distant possibility, though they probably held out hope it wouldn't happen.
But if it did, and both sides were guilty of this, they thought it would be a fairly quick war.
So much of the organization of the Confederacy, its constitution, it was all a mirror image of the United States. And I suppose that went for the military as well. The United States to this point was very suspicious of its own standing armies. You know, it didn't believe in that idea. Was the same true of the Confederacy?
Yeah, and the Confederacy has the problem they don't have a pre-existing professional army to draw on. They do have about 300 officers who had formerly been regular United States soldiers, so officers in the United States Army who resign their commissions and take up positions in the Confederate Army, but it's an entirely volunteer force. And it's going to be enlisted on a state-by-state basis.
So you're going to get regiments like the 15th Mississippi and the 4th Virginia and so on. And so, just like the US Army will be ultimately 95% volunteer, these are volunteer soldiers. They're not professionals by any means. They may have some experience with
Weaponry, perhaps some distant experience with militias or in the US-Mexico war, though that would be quite rare, except for the oldest amongst them. And so they're untrained, they're fresh, and they're coming to this because of a cause. And that's really their motivation.
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Chapter 3: How did the Confederacy organize its military forces?
It's really, I mean, you grow up hearing about the Kentucky and, you know, first Pennsylvania or something. They really were local militia or state militia, at least forged into a whole army. And that went for both sides. Who was in charge militarily?
So it's a very good question. Just like in the United States Constitution, the president is the commander in chief, so he gets to make some important decisions. There is a cabinet in the Confederacy, though it's unclear how much influence they had as compared to the US cabinet. We know someone like Edwin Stanton, the Secretary of War in the United States, was extremely important.
This seemed less true in the Confederacy. There were some military advisors kind of fliegen und an verschiedenen Zeiten holt Jefferson Davis verschiedene Leute ein. Aber im Allgemeinen sind es Jefferson Davis und ein paar vertraute Senior-Offiziere, die viele der Entscheidungen für das konfederatische Militär machen.
Der Konfederate-Konstitution erklärt ihn als Kommandeur-in-Chief, genau wie die US-Konstitution. Und auch interessanterweise war er der Sekretär der Krieg unter Franklin Pierce. Also er weiß, wie all diese Hierarchien funktionieren sollen. Wann steigt Robert E. Lee in die Macht, Kommandeur der Armee in Nord-Virginia?
Robert E. Lee verbrachte die ersten 18 Monate des Krieges in West-Virginia. Er machte sich keinen guten Namen. Eine meiner Lieblingsjournalisten war Katharine Ann Devereaux-Edmondson. Sie nennt ihn den alten Stecken in the Mud. Lee wurde als
Not someone with a great potential, but after Joe Johnston is wounded at Seven Pines in the Peninsula Campaign during the Seven Days Battles against George McClellan, Lee is called to take command of the Army of Northern Virginia. And not only does he take command, he basically reorients the entire perspective of the war.
The Union was within 15 miles of Richmond, and within three to four months, Lee will be launching an invasion of the United States into Maryland. And so it's a quick turnaround.
Does being the commander of the Army of Northern Virginia, a very glorious title there, put him de facto, is he in charge over Davis or does he really answer to Jeff Davis?
He answers to Jeff Davis technically, but unlike most of the other senior officers, Davis respected Lee enough to really not dictate to him. He had some confidence in what Lee could do. There's only a handful of generals that Davis feels he can be this loose with the reins. Lee is one of them. Albert Sidney Johnston is another. But, you know, we've talked about U.S.
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Chapter 4: What role did Jefferson Davis play in the Confederate military strategy?
Is this going to play, all this experience, is it going to play to his favor as the President or is it going to make him more of a meddler?
The answer to the question is the latter. He's going to be an inveterate meddler and kind of military affairs. But initially his experience is enough to scare Lincoln into basically saying, I think it's like I feel way behind here. I got to catch up.
Lincoln knows that as compared to Davis, they're going to look at those two and say, which of these two presidents is going to lead their nation to a military victory in an all encompassing war. I mean, Davis would have taken those laurels out the gate.
He clashes with Beauregard, who was the general who starts the Sumter, and as you say, Joseph Johnston. How do they work that stuff out? Like, is it a greased machine as they get going?
Not really, no. It's a lot of pouting, a lot of letters sort of being exchanged back and forth. A nice reminder to whenever you write that really snippy email to wait before hitting send to go back and reread. Jefferson Davis, Joseph Johnston, Pierre Beauregard, none of them were that careful.
They would just sort of send off the top of their head what they thought about each other and it made for some chilly relations and Und Davis wird durch diese Generäle gehen. Er wird Beauregard entfernt, wenn Beauregard ihn beschädigt. Er wird Johnston aus der Kommande genommen, wenn Johnston ihn beschädigt.
Er bleibt für eine gewisse Weise loyal zu Braxton Bragg, der die zweite wichtigste Konfederate-Armee für den größten Teil der Kriege im Westen-Theater beherrscht. He won't remove Bragg for really interesting reasons, but eventually he's forced to do so because Bragg is fundamentally incompetent. So Davis has a couple of problems.
He can't get along with most of his senior commanders, but he also doesn't have that many competent senior commanders. And so he's running out of options.
It's interesting how history, traditional history of the Civil War paints it differently. We're fed this idea that the southern states had this whole kind of military thing. They were just good at what they did. And Lee was just this respected, elegant commander. They had all the same political problems, never mind logistical problems as the North.
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Chapter 5: What were the strategic challenges faced by the Confederacy?
Braxton Bragg geht in Kentucky, ein konfederatischer Kommandeur namens Henry Hopkins Sibley geht nach New Mexico, was technisch eine Union von Texas ist, und macht eine kleine Invasion da drüben. Sie erwarten nie zu bleiben. But again, it's a way of attrition.
It's a way of grinding down northern morale, saying, you're so incompetent at invading us that we have these six-week windows occasionally where we can pop north and actually invade you. And that's really supposed to be a real grind on northern morale. But for the most part, the Confederacy expected to sit back and fight a fairly defensive war, which, again, makes Lee such an ironic figure.
Lee is not a defensive general. He's a very aggressive general.
Interessant. Sie meinen, Lincoln zu der Negotiationsstelle zu forcieren. Das ist wirklich das generelle Ziel und Ziel dieser Strategie. Eine defensive Strategie ist eigentlich eine sehr starke Krieg, um zu kämpfen. Weil du immer weißt, was du tun wirst. Und es forciert die Hand deines Rivalen, weil sie alle Arbeiten und alle Arbeiten bringen müssen.
Und es ist einfach ein entschädigendes Prozess, jemanden auf ihrem Heimterritorium zu folgen. Es gibt einen Punkt, wo das sehr nahe an der Arbeit für sie ist. Wann beginnt die offensive defensive Strategie?
So this was kind of what Davis hoped would be possible from the beginning. Sit back as much as possible. But when you had these opportunities to attack a concentration of Union troops, say they had invaded, the Tennessee campaign, the Shiloh campaign is a great example of this. The Confederates sit back in Corinth, Mississippi.
Grant fährt weiter Süden nach Henry und Donaldson und sie sehen, dass Grant sich nahe der Church von Shiloh konzentriert und die Konfederaten schießen und sie wollen Grant in den Nose schießen und dann wieder zurück zu Corinth fallen, um die Rennstrecke zu schützen. In diesem Sinne ist Shiloh nicht so viel ein Verlust für die Konfederaten, wie es manchmal bezeichnet wird.
Sie haben wirklich diese defensive-offensive Strategie erreicht, sich zurückzusetzen, einen Solid-Punch zu bekommen, Grant für einen Moment zu stoppen und dann sicherlich zurück in die Mississippi zurückzutreten.
Well, and defending all their territories is obviously going to stretch their forces too thin, so they have to keep doing that. Talk about how slavery played a role in their general strategy. How were they going to use this? I guess they thought of it as an asset, right?
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Chapter 6: How did slavery impact the Confederacy's war efforts?
Und wer war der Architekt dieser Konfederaten-Strategie? I think it sort of organically comes from this relationship that the Confederacy has to the Patriots in the American Revolution. I think it's really interesting. They all, you know, early on, people like Lee and Davis and Johnston and Beauregard, there's no sort of grand council of war.
They don't all come together and say, this is what we need to do. They all just sort of understand that their best template is to do what their Patriot forebears had done and Und das ist, weshalb Virginia so wichtig ist für die Konfederanz. Virginia kommt spät ins Spiel. Sie kommen in die zweite Wende der vorliegenden Staaten. Virginia bringt dir dieses revolutionäre Geheimnis.
Es bringt dir die Beziehung mit Washington. Es bringt dir Robert E. Lee, der in die Washington-Familie getreut wurde, durch seine Frau. Es ist unglaublich wichtig. Und ich denke, die Konfederanz weiß von Anfang an, dass das die Grundlage ist. They see themselves as patriots. And that's the plan they're going to execute.
But it's telling that the first capital was in Montgomery in Alabama, so deep in the south. They didn't know. I mean, it's very likely that Virginia would have been a border state, right?
Yeah, Virginia voted not to secede more than once. And then they finally did after Fort Sumter. So Virginia felt compelled. But like Jubal Early, who will become one of the most ardent lost cause advocates and important general serving under Robert E. Lee in the Army in Northern Virginia, Ich bin gespannt, ob Propaganda in der Konfederaten-Strategie eine Rolle spielt.
A little bit, but it's amazing how quickly the kind of information streams of these two nations, and we can think about this as a war between two modern 19th century nation states, diverge. Of course you get newspapers kind of going back and forth, but I think the Confederacy believed
Sie konnten die Mehrheit des Weißen Nordens nicht überzeugen, dass ihre Ursache recht war, weil die Mehrheit des Weißen Nordens sie als den grundlegenden Kompakt der Union bezeichnet, was die Vereinigten Staaten so eine tolle Nation gemacht hat, dass sie ihre demokratische Republik veröffentlicht hat. Interessant.
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Chapter 7: What was the significance of Virginia to the Confederate cause?
Yeah, in lots of places in the Confederacy you see this devolution of kind of organized warfare. And the Confederates will say they're responding to Union strategy. They're responding to Sherman and Sheridan going off piste from what anyone expected, cutting loose from their supply lines, invading deep into Confederate territory. So the Confederates say they're sort of justified in this.
And it's very few Confederate officers who don't at least entertain this in some degree.
The one who really doesn't, at the surrender at Appomattox, Lee sits down and he says, you know, he contemplates, should I give orders to what is left of the Army of Northern Virginia to take to the forest, to take to the hills and to wage a guerrilla war, to see if they can go down to the Carolinas, maybe unite with Joe Johnstons Army.
And he says, no, it's just not going to be worth the cost or worth the trouble. Let's just surrender it and call it done.
This is so exciting to me to finally understand and say once and for all, I understand how the North understood how to fight the South, which was, you know, chicken and egg conversation. Did the North recognize the offensive defensive strategy or the other way around? Did the South understand how to beat them by drawing them in?
I think the North came late. They unlocked the key late. And it was only through the ascension of Grant and his two key subordinates, Sherman and Sheridan in particular. They let George McClellan and his conservative approach dominate their view of the war for too long. MacLellan hatte einen Punkt. MacLellan dachte, eine einfache konservative Krieg würde die Konfederative zurückbekommen.
Und es ist nach 1863 und nach der Emanzipation-Proklamation, dass die Union wirklich anfängt, sich wieder zu evaluieren. Und dann stürzt Grant, was, wie du weißt, 1862 solidifiziert werden sollte. Aber Lincoln wählt stattdessen Henry Halleck aus dem Westentheater aus, um der Art Chefin Militäranwalt zu sein, anstatt von Grant. is delayed another couple of years.
But once Grant is in place, the tide really turns. Although Grant's major initiatives are stalling, and we talked about how close did the Confederacy come, I would say the summer of 1864 is the closest the Confederacy ever comes to winning the war.
This is when Lincoln writes his letter to his cabinet, saying, we're stalled in every military theater, we're not achieving any battlefield victories, I'm not going to be re-elected. So we need to do something in the next few months to bring this war to an end. Or George McClellan will win the election and the Confederacy will be a free and independent nation.
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Chapter 8: Did propaganda play a role in the Confederate strategy?
Send us our old men, yes.
Und die Unterschiede zwischen den Vereinigten Staaten und der Konferenz in diesem Bereich. In den Vereinigten Staaten, als du dich eingestellt hast, um in den Krieg zu kämpfen, war dir garantiert, dass du nach drei Jahren, wenn du auswählen wolltest, kannst du. Viele Leute re-up und sie gehen zurück für die restlichen zwei Jahre des Krieges.
In der Konfederate, sobald man in einem grünen Uniform ist, kommt man nicht raus. Es gibt keinen dreijährigen Term, es ist für die Dauer. Und das ist das, was die Konfederate ein bisschen harscher macht. Aber sie waren für Männer so besorgnisert in den letzten Wochen der Krieg, dass Robert E. Lee tatsächlich ernsthaft mit Jefferson Davis darüber spricht, dass er Menschen in seine Armee einschlägt.
Ja, man wundert sich, warum sie so lange warten. Ich meine, das sind Leute, denen man sagen könnte, was zu tun ist. Ich glaube, es war, um die Heimatfront zu halten, richtig?
And Lee also says, the thing about it is, and Lee is a soldier through and through, and he knows what it means to fight. He says, if you ask them to do this, you have to give them their freedom.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't sort of keep it from them. You can't order them to die. Like, that's where Lee kind of draws the line.
How much of a factor did exemptions for slave-holding Southerners play in this? I mean, here's the fact. For each 20 enslaved people, one white man must stay on the plantation. That was the kind of rule of thumb, right?
So it tends to be overseers who stay back. Occasionally plantation owners would stay. The Civil War has often been portrayed as a rich man's war and a poor man's fight, especially in the South. And again, to be clear, about 60% of Southerners never owned a slave.
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