Zack

You know, I remember back when Zach and I did that exact thing, because that thing works. I used to have his ex in my ear on a Bluetooth.

Anyone can. That fits certain criteria.

if you said i own a financial institution and you had a license as that institution they would say okay that we can open an account because you have a license right so you're going to put in the description i do a b and c i'm bonder or whatever and here's my this and here's that and then they're going to verify this stuff the people who use lexus nexus the hardest is bail bondsman

And the car color. That's what I used to see on those.

And the second form of ID, because they're gonna wanna swipe the card. I know with Burdine's and all of that, they wanted to swipe the ID so I could get around.

that's where the green dots yeah and really all it is is you take a gift card or whatever type of card so the green dot you can call and register those and put a name on the social security so that you can get things use it online and get things shipped to you right but all it is is putting that information on just like your reader writer it's just putting that information in so when I don't have my driver's license I know the number

I got my DL number. All I happen to have is my debit card for some reason. And they're thinking, bing, bing, bing, because I need that second form. So, and then I would say, well, listen, we'll just run it just so I can get this free teddy bear. I doubt I'll get it anyway. I'm not going to get it anyway, but let's just run it so I can get this free teddy bear. And I've got this debit.

And then all of a sudden it processed because I know this guy's got a 780. So, oh man, just here, just give me that. And then I'll just run to the house and get, I can't use this approval anyway with no ID. So just get, and they're going to give it because they want the bonus. They want whatever it is.

No one thinks it's a good scam.

You leave that store and go to another one. Because the whole purpose of their instant credit and they give you this, hey, if you spend today, you can get 10% off of your purchases. So I use that as, listen, I want to get as much. I'm kind of cheap. So I'm going to max this thing out so I can get the most savings.

And I'm definitely not gonna do it there because the attendant knows I have no ID. I can go to another place and I'm the opposite of you where I enjoy speaking to the people because I'm gonna manipulate you. And I can flash an ID. It doesn't have to be John Levensworth.

Yep, no. It's just this receipt.

That's how it was. So I can flash the ID. What was this, like 30 years ago? No, no. This was 2005, 6, 7. So 20 years ago. Yeah.

And then you're like, oh, they get into that when there's some type of discrepancy in that instant credits portion immediately. The key with what he had and what he was doing, when we're at that register doing the instant credit, I'm giving you the number that's on credit. I'm giving you the address. So all these key points match, bing, here's the instant credit.

If there's some type of discrepancy, I got a new phone number, whatever small thing, there's that one discrepancy, yeah, go ahead and call. That's what Target was like. So Burdine's and all of them, they want you to call anyway.

They want you to call anyway. You're going to call anyway. Michelle Obama's going to call. And then that was where Madison.

Yeah, what college did I go to? It is so loud in here. I switched around a couple times. I would just repeat it because it's so loud in here. So you said what college I went to. So what are the examples again? What college was I going to in 1996? That's the question? Yeah, that was... And then I could literally hear Madison shifting around.

I could see her in my head, like, sitting on this hotel plush, hotel bed.

Yeah, this whole scam is just online now. During those times, they were anxious for the payout. We'd be in the U-Haul waiting and waiting.

But I've got the Bud in this ear and a phone in this ear.

Yeah, I believe Zach had a pair of those.

Oh, yeah. A lot of those online IDs that come in, I've heard. are crap. They're like paper thin. They're advertising, you know, I've got holograms.

To get one working, decent ID. So for the purposes of this exercise, we're assuming that all of this is going to take an ID. So we're assuming that we can get a hold of this good ID.

Yeah. Back in the day... Anybody I meet, like, what's your girl do?

Always. Oh, she's... Always.

We're best friends. Every single person that we met was a potential. Like, what is your girl, especially in jail? Like, what is your girl?

So even back then there were the virtual crooks, like there were the guys that, you know, we're getting the numbers because I remember there were, we were trying to get credit card numbers to do this credit. And I've had guys that they were like, oh yeah, I could get these, you know, cards online and stuff where with how we were operating.

And when I was operating, I would rather go get that credit card number. Like back then, while I was getting my info, like I would go to a hotel with a concierge that looked like he smoked weed.

Recruiting is my favorite. Recruiting is my favorite. Yeah, you guys did. Like I am a blue collar.

I'm built different. Like I love, that's a whole part of the allure.

Like going in and I love dressing the part. You don't know who I am until I tell you who I am. And I can make whatever believable about whatever. That's why when Zach was like, hey, let's do it. I'm like, where have you been all my life? I can't wait to scam and fraud and put on this costume and become whoever it is I tell you I am. Social engineering.

I think it's crazy. I think that's the most insane thing ever. I think you don't see it from a loose... What it is is the guy is saying, hey, listen, this isn't really rightfully yours. Your name is close to.

My thing was, in order to get information, I would see you As this, he's probably with a little bit of the bullshit. I would write my phone number down on a hundred dollar bill and give you that with it. Hey man, listen, give me a call later, bro. It's about some money. I've never not had a return call.

It's the cost of investment.

I've never had people not call because it's the curiosity. It's the curiosity. And I'm telling you in the intro, there was nothing illegal, bro. It's just to have a job opportunity.

He gave me his phone number and he walked off. When he handed you the money, did he hold your hand a little bit longer?

Reminds me of the

I saw that on a TikTok one time.

He's saying that this is legal. This is legal. I've been able to trace your lineage and somehow you're loosely related to this guy. So it's legal. We're going to go through all the legal steps to get you this money. My firm knows how.

Yeah.

And then he knows where to go.

I just need you to pay.

It's all profit.

I did this in Tallahassee.

Side note with that key box. So there's scams all in Atlanta. with people advertising on Facebook renting houses. I remember that. That's old. They were doing that back in 2000. They're giving them the deposit. First month, last month. They've got the key box information. A legitimate lease agreement. Here's the lease agreement. So when you go in there, you're looking

and everything and they've got the key and let me know.

But anyway, she was listening. Her name was Kathy, guys. Her name was... $350,000 in like a week. What are you doing to a family or someone for money?

That red flag's in it.

There's a handful.

There's one I don't know.

Even when you're moving around the 50 different wallets, you're moving it around the 50 different wallets.

There's a lot of footprints.

But if I'm investigating it, I'm going to walk those 50 different houses to find the end of that.

So you don't know who owns them. But you know where the next transaction went to. Anonymous here, anonymous there. You just keep finding it until, oh, there's a name.

Well, I would counter that. Anything that you do digitally, Has a digital footprint, regardless if that name is a pseudo name or whatever, because you can, you can dead end a lot. But it has to be liquidated in order to dead end it. Yeah. Even, even with the launderers, the, the, the whole premise is to get that stuff off of where it's at liquidated. Now I have it.

Now I can, it can be redeposited.

But that original sale is traceable. So if you're using, let's say I get all these Bitcoins and I buy the diamonds. So they can see that it went to here and you bought the diamonds. But there's the liquidation part because I purchased it. Now I can anonymously or however, take the liquid and Sell it. The asset. Now I can put it on and now I can do whatever it is.

What I know of anything that is digital Bitcoin, dog, it's trackable.

But now it's anonymous, so you can do, you know, that number did this. But if they're rewinding time and they, oh, I know that this number is hot.

But if I'm Johnny, if I'm Johnny, if I'm the economics crimes expert, And we're doing an investigation. It's ABC, bro.

I'm going to follow this.

Oh, absolutely.

Because it's out. But anything, it's going in this exchange. They're following this number. They don't know what name is on it. So this number broke into seven. Well, I've got seven different footprints. And here's the beauty of Bitcoin. I'm just following all of them. I'm just following all of them. There's no name on it.

And the investigation purpose falls under tax. Like this huge number didn't get taxed. Or this huge number that's going out the country. That's the crime. That's the crime. But that's what opens up the investigation. It's also money laundering.

It's just like any charge, like walking into a convenience store with a credit card, you can either charge you with this or usually the beginning detectives be like, I'll tell you what, identity theft, fraudulent use of defrauding a pawnbroker, larceny because of theft amount.

At the end of the day, I get one charge, a third degree felony.

So they can tell the press like, hey, this guy. It's your bonding with the state. They want to make sure that bond is up here. Oh, yeah. We're going to charge you with all this stuff. We'll let the courts and the state figure that stuff out.

Especially if you're someone like me that I firmly believe in shut the fuck up. So whenever I'm in cuffs, there's zero talk. I am super uncooperative because I know you know who I am.

I'm not even a dickhead about it.

Sidebar. You mind if I search the car? Fuck you. Fuck no. I don't know what roach fell up under the seat.

I don't know.

I am always saying no. Do you mind? While you search my car, I'll search yours.

The only time, the absolute only time I'm respectful with the law and I get pulled over.

Thanks, guys. Peace out. That's after you've given me my license registration back and told me that you're going to give me a warning.

And beforehand and... Links in the description below for my sixth gear, check me out. But anytime I'm pulled, like I'm a dickhead because you're the law. We're not friends.

There's a thousand things I could have been doing. Not one of them is getting pulled over by you. Dickhead.

These days, the counter to that, as soon as they start talking, hit that record. Oh, yes. I have a question. So you're saying that you smell, I haven't, I don't smoke weed. I've never smoked weed. So you're saying that you smell weed, your detective skills, all of your training has brought you to today and you smell weed in the car. Let me just focus this in. All right.

So under threat of, under threat of arrest, you know, obviously you're going to search the car. Let's see what you find. Guys, we'll be back in a moment. and I'm gonna record all of this and then I complain.

Yeah, they don't. And I'm recording, you do your power trip shit. They don't like that. So listen, here's the takeaway.

Yes.

Was it you in Georgia?

They may wear them there too, yeah.

I think I got it up to 90 one time. I'm like joking.

It's presentation, Matt. It's presentation.

Clean cut white guy. They don't hassle guys like this at all. Everything is matching in the car. That's a whole estate trooper. And he wrote you the ticket. He wasn't doing you a favor.

No, he didn't.

Because by the letter of the law, he's not supposed to be in this car. You've got valid license, registration, insurance. What is he doing in the car?

It doesn't smell like weed. But they don't use that premise.

No, I can't. I own two vehicles in this guy's car. I got an apartment in his name.

And went back to the DMV with the paperwork and they changed it on the ID. Scoundrel. I feel bad. I feel bad.

Stop, he's fine.

I'm a big guy with victimless stuff. I feel bad. By victimless, like I'm... He's only interested if there's victims.

He's fine.

Something that I would do on a scam thing if I was to What was the question? What about, I don't want to give stuff that like, I guess old stuff that I've done. Anyone do anything I'm currently into? Currently, I'm selling cars at a great price, customized cars. Is that under Six Gear?

It's under Numbers LLC. Numbers LLC? Yep.

Where I'm actually selling customized cars.

And motorcycles. Send him a link. I haven't gone into the selling motorcycles. I'm scared of financing someone on a fucking death machine.

I would say that you could have a hustle like if you could get hold of an ID, any kind of ID. And like, I, I, to me, it doesn't matter. Like if it's an actual with your face, because you can, and I remember doing this because I couldn't find an ID connect. So I knew a plethora of seven 11s and people always leaving a driver's license, leaving something. So I would get these.

So I would get these employees and say, you got IDs in there. So if anybody remotely looks similar to me, and all black people look alike, anybody looks similar, I would purchase that.

I had somebody.

I was actually using the driver's license because they were a licensed driver. My license was fucked up back then. So I was just speeding with this guy. And he weighed I think 205 or something and was like five, I'm six feet. He was five, eight or nine. So the height, all of that stuff is irrelevant because when, is that you? I was like, yes, I've had cancer.

Well, they're not looking at it. They're not scrutinizing the ID anymore.

Oh, one of the descriptions, it had the social on it. In Georgia, your ID number was your social.

They found an older one. What state was that?

I had a Tennessee line. Remember I drove up there?

I love Tennessee. Chattanooga, the people are super friendly. I know, very trusting. Like in grocery store, like in line, people are just going to kick up, is that Brad Pitt? Like it's some lady, white woman, and she just kick up a conversation with you.

They were very friendly.

They're very friendly.

I've been in Nashville. Nashville is the nicest part of... Nashville is like a real city.

We had something that we were going to do, and I had to go to Tennessee to get a driver's license. So it was a Monday. You had this portfolio. That weekend, I tore it up. I was partying crazy. In the house, there was chicks in there, you're . Six, you're still going? Yeah, I'm still going. No, I'm already halfway in the car.

I maybe got a half hour of sleep, hopped in the car, drove there, took the driving test because we were supposed to get a driver's license. So I took that driver's test. I was like, yeah, I got it. And you were like, you did. You just knew I wasn't going to date you. It sounded like I just woke up. I thought that, I remember that.

And a lot of those questions are like DUI stuff.

Yeah, that's how it was.

Yeah.

I know my license is good. Registration's good. All this is good. I got no warrants. I'm doing the right thing. I can't wait for you to pull me over. I'm one of those assholes. I roll it down this much. Really?

I'm an asshole because I relish in the fact. They're assholes. Are you crazy? There's no way you're getting a submission from me.

There's no way. I'm an alpha.

You've been a Caucasian for a long time.

No, but I think that's a real thing. It's not a real thing. But no, no, not like that in that sense, but like privilege. I think everybody stereotypes.

I think everybody stereotypes. Just like if you're working a cash register, naturally, you're the sales guy, you're working a cash register, beautiful blonde steps in front of you, you're mentally- It's written into our DNA. Yeah, you want to be more helpful to this pretty person, this affluent person comes where you feel like they've got money.

I'm playing the radio. I'm like, what are you pulling me over for, man? What's going on with that? What's up, man? I wouldn't do nothing, man.

They're going to be like, I'm giving this guy a hard time. Even if I'm a white guy. That is absolutely being prejudiced. or prejudgment. I'm saying if I'm a white guy doing that. But I think every person on the planet prejudges. It's part of our human nature. If I'm Johnny, it's our nature.

Absolutely. If I'm Johnny Officer, I just clocked in to find criminals. All right, guys, I'm going out to find criminals. Yeah. And here comes Bosniak. Bosniak. Bosniak.

Why do I always- Always mispronounce it? Every time. John. No, he goes by that. If I see him, I'm Johnny Officer, I see him tattoos. He's got like a swagger about, crap, he's an ex-con.

And he's gonna return the win.

What about a black cop?

Yes, I have. The reality is, Matt. I think you and I driving in a car with an out tail light, our mentality is different. You're going to be like, oh, my damn tail light's out. What is this, Tuesday? I got time to do it probably Thursday, Friday.

Yep. Zach and I, and I'm going to throw you in on this, tail light's out. Fuck! I'm driving straight to the AutoZone. Yeah, AutoZone is in my plans.

I have to. Because it's a reason. And then that taillight is consciously on my mind until I go get it fixed.

Or something escalates.

Move. I'm finna move. I'm finna move.

Oh, my God. When he said move, did you get like a... move nigren vibe.

If he did that to me, I would have turned around. Let me ask you a question before I move. If I spit on your face, what are you going to do about it? I meet that kind of stuff with the same energy. Now, mind you, I'm not going to jump on him. That's ridiculous, but I'm definitely going to say some really sarcastic shit. I don't mind confrontation.

So if he didn't hit you, are you a road? Oh my God. I can see that.

He bumped me.

I can see each one of their reactions to that scenario. I can absolutely see that in their person.

You're chasing me. I've had, I've had, I want to hear everybody give that story. I've had cops come to my home now. He did.

did and but not not me they don't want me obviously but go ahead and and i'm i'm just a dick with them like we operate on two totally different sides of the fence like when you open the door and i see you you're either trying to get information you're here to do a job i don't care why you're here yeah i don't want to deal with you especially if it's about me yeah Like, I don't care.

It's not for anything good.

Yeah, I'm not cooperative. Hey, sir, hi. First of all, fuck you. Next, what do you want? I'm doing something, watching a game. I'm smoking weed. Whatever I'm doing, you're interrupting it. How can I help you? And by help you, I mean hurry up.

This is the Caucasian that has reformed his life, and he's doing fantastically. Well, he probably tripped into the life of crime himself. Well, you know, like his mindset, the way he thinks, Zach is on the side. This is why they're, you know, they're on this side of the table, we're on this side of the table. There's a spectrum.

Christ. I can see Kobe drive, oh, there's the police. To Kobe, those are public servant officers.

I'm this close to saying, hey, you are for me. What do they want?

They rose the window all the way.

I've got to tell you, I smelled a lot of pot.

I was cooperating. There's a difference.

Hello.

The one your mom was in?

Look at the face.

It's a prejudgment that we're designed for, especially us ex-cons. You have to have prejudgments. You have to.

Your mindset, 99% of the people that have the tats, they fuck it. I don't give a fuck about what you think about me. I like my art. So their rationale from them, this is this art, it's expression. It's all the things that face tattoos. To us on the outside, it's he's a rebel.

No, no, and then that type of person has that... Record. Fuck what you think.

Those type of fuck what you think, that always... They're prone to... Reflects into some type of record.

That wasn't the reason, because interracial dating is... Bro, I have no idea what had them search us so many times. Did you have a record? Oh, but they didn't have a... You didn't have a name. And, you know, at that time, I'm in rental cars. But when they... So when they pulled you, because rental cars are suspicious... Well, I don't know. To areas. Oh, absolutely.

They'd pull us over and they'd come and they'd look. Rental cars is suspicious.

You are the exception, man. You are. You are. If you look up. I'm starting to feel bad. Guys, look up white privilege and Webster's. You will see that exact picture with that smile. Absolutely.

Because it's the stereotype. It's the prejudgment.

I feel like if they took any of us and they said, okay, we will give you $100,000 cash, but we're going to give you a uniform and a police car. You have to make, every arrest you make, you get $100,000 cash. Good luck. So you got no leads, no nothing. You got a car. Good luck. So you're gonna start prejudging and stereotyping. There's three blacks in that car. What are the odds?

There's a black guy and I'm across 40th. I'm across Fowler. There's a white guy in a tattoo in a rental car in the hood.

These are these prejudgments. And then when I turn and I look and I see that face, What is he did? What am I going to buy? Is he going to refinance my mortgage? What the hell is he going to do?

He's got to have a warrant. If we were in prison, if we were in prison and, you know, he wants a honey bun two for one because I always rent a store. Mind you, one of the stores was, I don't know if you remember, I named my store the Caucasian Corner. Because there's a certain type of, and I deal with my people. You know they're going to pay you. That's right. Matt's going to pay you.

Matt is the type of person, if I loan him, but yeah, if I loan them two honey buns and it's two for one, when Matt gets his money, Matt is bringing me because he wants that off his ledger.

He's the, man, I don't want him. So I have a question. My folks will be like, what? I've literally had my people come to me and they owe me 20 bucks. Oh no, I don't pay out my mama money. I just got a money order, but that's my mama money. I don't pay out of that when I get my baby mama money or when I get, time out, motherfucker. That's my money. You don't even have your money yet. Yeah.

And there's where the fight starts. But these prejudgments, it is absolutely a privilege to have a certain look when these people are walking around looking for crime.

They tell me, you're not driving. I'm like, who's going to stop me? Are you going to sign an officer to me every time I step out of the house? That would be the only way. That's the only way. He better work.

So I'm, I'm like that. In my later years of fraud. Oh, now, yeah. In my later years of being the criminal. I'm not now. I work a legitimate business. But in the beginning, catch me if you can. And then once I started figuring stuff out, I'm like, wait a minute. That eliminates so much. Even if it's not my idea, I'm going to have a driver's license. A driver's license.

That insurance is going to be... This car is going to be right. So when you pull me over, you're going to have...

Yeah, yeah.

But once again, that was you. It wasn't me turning myself in.

Yeah.

And I'm like, but the turn in it. So how that stuff works is they plea you guilty. You plead guilty. I'm guilty, sir. And then we give you, we postpone sentencing. Yeah, it's never been an option for me. But hear me out. Because if you agree to that and he lets you go and settle your affairs for the 30 days and you buck, not just the escape failure to appear, you've pled guilty to your charges.

Now you're just coming for sentencing.

So now that you pled guilty.

But if you abscond, if you abscond from that arrangement, I feel like they would open that back up. I know in the state, nah, they'd give you another charge.

So that other charge, it only adds... I'd never turn myself... How crazy is that? Why would you... After sentencing?

I don't get... How quickly he changed.

Yeah, I've never been much of a runner, though. I always have bond money.

You got to have a passport.

Yeah, your name is done. So you've got to have... But, I mean, some people... used to have, you know, put up a whole costume. Of course. For just such emergency.

If you have the wherewithal to get out the country and dip, you better have another name.

ChatGBT. Fucking recommended that. So it's got to be good.

Well, because the mistake is asking it.

People had that same argument about Amazon and about I'm old enough for the year 2000 and the advent of these computers and they're already going to take jobs.

That type of stuff works on... Oh, I think I know of one scam on that day. That type of thing works on people with good heart. Yes. They prey on people like that. Oh, absolutely. Like they see me and, you know, I'm hopping out of a Jaguar or whatever. Hey, bro, you know, such and such. I turn and look and I see like a grown man.

AI is just a thing that has to happen.

But to explore space. AI will be able to refine the questions that we're asking. It will be able to cure stuff that we couldn't figure out. We'll be able to go places that we couldn't calculate.

it'll try to like I'll feel it like trying to get offline and something will stop it but it's like damn because of how our society is now I feel like we should be able to clone you another heart I'm willing to put you up for it they need somebody to do it first but no we can't do clones we can't get into that type of stuff because of you know oh I'm sure there are somewhere not in this country

I'm like, bro, you should have got up earlier, got your ass to day labor. You know your car doesn't run on hope. Get you some money. You're a grown man. Like, go get you some money. I'm not a donating motherfucker, bro. I'm not a donating. Like, I go to Wawa, and I see a grown dude with bigger muscles than me asking me for something. Bro, you're finna get high.

They're doing all that testing and Bill Gates and all of those. It's all in Africa. All of those places are in Africa. I'm sure there's some labs somewhere here.

They're cloning everything. They're splicing animals and humans together. And we'll do whatever the fuck and we'll pay you whatever. I think that's... I believe that happened.

It's ethnically wrong. Yeah, I did a deep dive into the pyramids last night.

Like the complex air ducts.

But not that it's disproven. You've got the archaeologists. There's alternate theories. Yeah. They're getting their evidence, and then they're formulating an opinion based on that learned evidence, and then there are theorists. Like the Great Sphinx. Their theories will make sense to the people who are looking towards that angle.

Why don't you ask me for a discount on something or something? I'm not going to give you so you can go get a plug. Fuck you. I'm just trying to get something to eat. No, you're not. Because if you were, you would have got up earlier. You knew you didn't have no money when you woke up.

You knew you didn't have no money when you woke up. You give me five bucks for gas, I was just going to ask you the same thing. Yeah. I drive a Jaguar, or I got a Ducati, all less it drinks champagne. You got five on it? You look like you got money. Well, I need it. I need to support this look. I got to maintain this shit, bro. Fuck that. I got to maintain the target.

He's probably walking around smiling. He's thinking about the hundreds of thousands he's making on YouTube.

I see the two points. Like, so Zach is coming at the angle where like, this is already a sizable thing. Uh, you know, here's this $15,000 fee and all that. So, so you're looking at these huge numbers and these big numbers. And if you believe the scam, if you believe the paperwork, then the 10,000, $15,000 fee

It's reasonable. I also see where you're coming from. And I think that you would get kind of paid more often. Yes. Because like you're given all of this stuff. Here's this great looking paperwork. You're looking at it. And then you've got the same understanding that you, oh, okay, this guy's trying to scam. And he's like, hey, you want to get in on this money? So sure, such and such.

He could even go as far as saying, I've already paid

the beginning half that's what he did of surfacing all of this stuff bringing it to the forefront now we're here so the only fees that to get it started let's file you specifically because i found you we're going to use you just to get that stuff started is is a 499 and keep in mind too let's assume that let's assume that there's a chunk of people that absolutely 100 agree

15%?

What I'm bringing to the table is exactly that where it's a smaller figure but the effort goes more into the presentation and the success of getting what it is that you're scamming as opposed to the going and hitting for the 20 the 30 because i think what you're bringing to the table is along the lines of a bigger score what i'm bringing to the table will be the smaller end but more

I believe it's a higher quality. I believe that you'll get a lot more $400, $350 fees from our branch to get this stuff going. And then it's the angle where he's like, well, here's the paperwork. Listen, take your time, but you kind of got a small window here. And if you don't like it, Don't call back. I'm not here to, I'm offering you something. See you later, bye.

So they know how. You go into Dillard's, they're manipulating you to apply for instant credit.

He was horrible. And somebody gave him something and he just kind of formulated that. I don't see that that guy with that hustle was, you know.

He sounded like he was grocery shopping then with four kids. Yeah, no, I'll call you back.

That number you were quoting was your total living expense, not rent.

If my price point was $1,000 a month, And I wanted something out there. You're saying that I could live.

Oh, dude.

Man, I made a living off of over-ambunctious, back then, Macy's, Burdine's, Dillard's. Yeah, I would go in there and I'm ready. They want that commission. I've got the driver's license. That was a scam I was going to bring up. I've got it all waiting. And I'm just walking around. I walk around in the polo section. Back then, the nautica section. You know, hey, you want to try Instagram? Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know. They still do that to this day, don't they, Instacredit? Yeah, but they don't aggressively try to solicit. Well, they do. They used to have podiums right outside of Dillard's. And before you walk in, hey, you're just trying to get out to your car.

Swift.

They don't even have words for probation. First time offender.

They give you one meal.

The toilet is a hole.

Hey, we've got teddy bears, lollipops, just if you apply.

This is why the crime rate.

That type of stuff doesn't appeal to me. The security and safety of the phone. I'm usually the bad guy. So I'm not worried about other bad guys.

You lost him at 25 years for a charge.

That's where you lost me. I'm already thinking about the bad reviews.

And then you see stuff like with those cops arresting people. Oh, it's not like. It's. Yeah. Yeah.

You're here to spend money and not suck up our resources.

Lots of have nots.

He's got baht. He's already got it. The dollar and the pound are almost...

Showing where I'm traveling around.

Australia's struggling too.

They've always been fighting from behind those Aussies.

I just sold the call the other day.

I happen to have a U-Haul with me.

Most people have a plug for a fake ID. I heard. You're going to start all those conversations with, I don't know, but I've heard.

And I'm like watching them. And then I try to react. I try to react guys because it used to be like, like Matt taught me video sharing etiquette. So like one day I came over, like Matt would send me these videos, right? And then one day I came over, and he's like, dude, what the fuck's your problem? And he said it just like that. I'm like, what?

He goes, I send you these freaking videos, and you don't say shit. I go, well, I watch them. He goes, but motherfucker, how will I know? I do a ha-ha, make a comment. You don't say shit, motherfucker. So I'm like, oh, I didn't know I was supposed to respond. He goes, what the hell do you think you're supposed to do? He goes, at least if you don't want them, say stop. You know?

And so then I start responding to the videos until every once in a while he'll barrage me. Here's six. And then I'm like, have to reply. And I'm like, man, fuck that shit.

No lie. He's right because one time you showed me what you're making, right? And I'm talking to Mello on the phone, right? And I'm like, yeah, Matt showed me. Mello, he's making about this much per month. And he's like, what the fuck? He goes, dude, what are you doing? He goes, if he's pissed at you, I understand. He's like, motherfucker, at some point, do a fucking video.

He's like, for those numbers? That's the basis of our conversation.

I'm glad I have a friend like him.

So... What happens when we're on here? Well, when you're on here... We don't get 80% of the time.

We can squeeze... You're not telling me your story.

I know.

Not really. I mean, but we get always on the fly. We do have game plans, and it involves podcasts.

Where are you going?

Right.

It averages it out. I like the concept you gave me about just talking about my time in prison because I've been doing that on the phone.

I talk to people about, you have to watch that. It's the grace of him going over that water.

But just talk about my time in prison because how I got from Coleman, like the legend I am at Coleman because of the day that they went and rounded everybody up. I think you were gone. I never even told that story.

And they came and they questioned you about what I had going on. And they also went and questioned Tara. Like they went around and I learned that they were trying to build it. And that's a story. That's a story. Because if someone goes to Coleman, they're like, yeah, I heard about that. That was you.

Right.

You wouldn't, you wouldn't even fake it out and just say like, yeah, yeah. Send me the book. I'll take a look at it.

But you understand that the television interviews... Or just that, because they'll go like, I've read your book, Jane, and this part. They'll mention certain parts.

Right.

On the contingency?

From prison.

In the 60s, I don't think there was any cell phones.

And then pray that Jess doesn't see it. And to Jess, it felt very inviting. That's not benign at all.

Have you... Wasn't that you that sent me that Mrs. The Marvelous from... I can't even think of the name of the platform that you always send your videos from. Marvelous? Instagram.

Yeah, it's that woman, the crazy woman that's like crazy about her husband. Her husband has a big, thick mustache.

What is her name? I don't know. It's marvelous something. She's so funny. Oh, yes. She's a psycho. And now she's pregnant. Like, I was watching, like, this bitch is crazy. Oh, my God. And her man is just like, whatever you want, baby.

And he just sits there. Like, oh, my God, it's crazy. I've watched a bunch of hers. Oh, yeah, she's hilarious. You identify. Oh, she's a lunatic. I'm like, this bitch is a lunatic. She's hilarious, though. There's a comparable couple like that on TikTok that's very funny. It's like where this woman is threatening a guy, but that bitch is a lunatic. I love her. Oh, my God. Are you attracted?

Oh, my God. She's a lunatic. And she's not even that... I mean, she's pretty, but she's not that pretty. She's got a lot of strong features, but that probably explains how she talks.

I wonder how real that is of that relationship. You know what I'm saying? How much of that is just staged talking?

Oh, man. Her name is the Marvelous. It's Marvelous something.

The one you went on the run with.

Look.

Well, they caught him and like, there's a bunch of hoopla about him.

Any comments about your height?

At least you thought he was something special.

And sometimes I think with Matt, it's the class. It's the clash between their personality and yours. The fact that you're kind of like, okay, now can you kind of white that up a little bit? Or what was the guy? Just a tad, not much. The Irish guy?

Yeah, he preps people. You prep people for it. Like, I am a short motherfucker.

So it's like he was he was investigating. Yeah.

that's really shake his head financial crimes are a it it's weird because like coming from our side and their side because they believe it's illegal what do they call it access devices if you set up to accept credit cards they're like oh that's possession of access devices like enhancement yeah what I don't even think, like you said, I don't even think that's illegal.

Or what they consider wire fraud is. Anything. Anything. I'm trying to think, what were we talking about? Or was that you and I talking about what wire fraud is? When they had the wire fraud charges, like how broad is that bullshit?

Yeah, to move that money from one account to another account is considered wire fraud. It's insanity. It's insanity. The broadness of it. And so I could imagine talking to a financial crimes FBI agent because his concept is like, that's clearly a crime.

It's a celebrity. We know celebrity. Hey, I brag on him like he's a celebrity.

That's insanity.

My goal is to impeach Trump.

Go ahead.

I would say my daughter graduated and graduated or graduated.

She graduates this year. Um, purchase, purchase a vehicle. Um, take three, go out of town or out of state three times. Um, and relish my, my freedom. Um, more podcasts, um, make, make a commitment that I can upheld, uh, uphold. Even if it's just me sitting down and talking, I'm going to start doing that, uh,

When just I think about it because I think I can do 40, 50 minutes just reliving one of my stories from prison. So and I've been wanting to do that anyway, because I think about those stories all the time. So it's to to get to where my podcasting is independent. But I absolutely want to buy another. I want a new car. I've been wanting that forever. So one a week, one a week, one a week.

I'm sure it's not free. He doesn't appreciate it at all. He doesn't get paid to be around you? He has no appreciation.

I mean, I, I just don't think he's auctioning and buying cars.

I got to find the stream yard because going to his place is like, well, I got to work the camera and set up. And like after two hours, I'm like, I'm going. I'm leaving.

He might need your help. What would you charge him? Kobe to come by and get him set up to come get it set up.

Well, he has the cameras.

Well, it looks like professional. It is professional because I'm about to insult him no matter what I say.

Right.

But, all right, so where is his channels popular in Russia?

And YouTube channels in Russia, he's making a ton of money. Is that what you're saying? Yeah.

In rubles.

Oh, the Spanish? Yes, you said that to me. Of us talking in Spanish. What was the topic of that video?

Come on, where's that?

That drinks really dark coffee. That is hilarious. You know what? You know what's funny is I wonder like it's not and the Spanish channel is not doing great.

So what are we doing this podcast on?

30 hours. Well, at least 30, yeah.

Be a 90-hour trip, 30 over, 30 there, 30 back.

I don't know where to go with my questions.

Hearing about it. Yeah.

30 hours. Have you flown con air?

What's wrong?

Con air. So you were flying to Illinois?

That's when you started off in Illinois?

Oh.

I flew, I had to go to Beaumont. So I went from Coleman to Oklahoma and then from Oklahoma to Beaumont. What was so sad is I was terrified to go to the penitentiary. So when I shipped me, I was hoping I'd be in transit like five or six months. My prayer was, I'm going to beat this shot that's gotten me the points.

You want to hear something funny?

Before I get to the pen and then I can stop them from dropping me off there. No. They fucking picked me up and had me in the pen like within hours. He was in the pen. He went to the pen. I went to the pen for six hours. Six solid years. I got there in February of 2012 and left in February of 2018. Low. I started off... Yes.

I started in the low, but I was only there a few months before they realized that I was medium points. And everyone's like, oh, you're only going to... I was only in the low about 50 some odd days. Oh, we got to send you to the medium. Your points call for you to be a medium. But you'll probably be back in six months is what they told me. So then they shipped me over to Coleman Medium.

And then from Coleman Medium, they shipped me to the penitentiary.

Everybody goes, what? You went in the wrong direction.

So then they shipped me from And when I left, what's his name? What was his name? I forgot. The fat SIS guy. Mellow. Meadows? What was his name?

Yes. Mallows? I forgot what his name was. He told me, he goes, I go, where am I going, bro? He goes, I'm sending you somewhere where you'll never do tax fraud again. I'm like, Do they have a phone there? I say Coleman Medium. All right, so there was a lot of violence at the pen.

And at one point, there was a complete riot on the compound upon which I walked back to my unit without getting into a fight, which I thought was amazing. You know, it's like... Yeah, between, it's black and whiter. It appeared to be, yes. And I didn't know if it was blacks, whites. We were locked down about four months.

But, you know, I was, when I went to the pen, I had told myself I'm going to become a law guy. That way I don't have to fight. You know, I can try to avoid and I can act like I'm helping people. So when I, when I got there.

It's the lens, not the... Not the screen. I thought for sure. The screen was... I don't know.

Nobody ever beat up the law guys. They shouldn't. They shouldn't even take me. So I get there. And so when the riot breaks out, there's all kinds of rumors. So I'm in the library typing and then the deuces go off outside. So you hear the tower shooting, then there's fighting. So when you're in the library, you can look out on the rec yard. So, and I could see the tower. So there's fighting outside.

Then there's fighting in the library. So I'm looking around. Then there's fighting, fighting here. Then there's fighting there. The cops are running all over the place. You guys get down. They come in to try to break up a fight there. So then I started packing myself up. He hasn't missed a keystroke. No, I started packing my stuff up in my bag. I'm like, oh, snap.

So I said, let me see if I can get back to my unit or just stand by the door. So I work and I go by the door. The door is open. I go out the door. I walk out. through the compound, through the wreck yard. It's fighting everywhere. And I'm just walking, you know, and sometimes I'm like, and I'm walking and I get all the way back to my unit. The unit door is open.

I go through the unit door, up to my cell, and I close the door. And I get on my bunk and lay down with the book underneath the cover.

But I was in the medium.

Yes.

Get on the ground or you will be fired upon. They're concussion grenades. And if one goes off near you, it actually does make you dizzy. He's like,

I forgot to spill this. Like all inmates stopped your activity.

Did they have a recording? All inmates stop your activity. Get down and lay down on the ground. Lethal force is imminent. They used to have like a little recording they would play. Did they have that? Did you guys ever hear that?

Where we were, they had a recording. It would start. Like the deuces would go off. All inmates, stop your activity. You know, we'd be, oh, shit. Oh, man. I feel like we had completely different experiences.

You think you had different experience than Matt?

The same announcer tells them, coffee and latte will be served at 4 o'clock. I'm going to tell you all I remember about the, I was only there 40 days and I didn't really have a chance to complain about the dorm because I was, first of all, the shock of prison was still very fresh. So I'm there and I'm just like, what the fuck? The only thing I specifically remember is the interview with,

They were basically saying, it's a privilege to be here. This is one of the privilege compounds.

This is when you get off the bus and you're talked to by... And I remember thinking, what the fuck are they talking about? But he's going, only certain people are here. We've got things going... Oh, I'm trying to remember what he was saying. He's basically saying, either you get with the program or you'll be quickly removed from this place.

That's exactly what they were talking. He's the one that explained that to me. I'm like,

What about the unwritten rule of no messing with the chomos?

You said that?

Were you by yourself when you did this interview?

So I have determined, because I haven't received my letter ending my sentence, I'm determined that January 1st, 2025, I'm officially off of supervised release.

Gordo. Are you fucking with Doo-Doo? Are you fucking with Doo-Doo?

You know, he just got out before I did.

Yes, I heard that. They let Wee-Wee go. And there was a doo-doo.

That was John. That's the line from John that cracked me up. He go, man, doo-doo's the shit. That is so funny.

I know, but I mean, I want certification.

I remember when they had, you're going to be able to email your family. Like, wow. Yeah. I had email for about a week, three weeks, maybe three weeks.

For my whole bid. Really? For the income tax fraud. I was never able to email.

Listen, they wanted the email and the phone. They didn't want me to be able to communicate with the outside world at all.

are they allowed no they didn't they didn't they didn't take the phone they had they had to choose i i remember um they didn't give me a choice they did it yeah you know what i'm saying but i just like i did a foia and got all my paperwork and i noticed that the request was to take both and then i saw the note that only one of them was they can only take one they took the email were you there for tablets

So this is big for me. And I'll talk about that when I do my podcast about my sentence being over. But it represents me not being afraid of Judge Whitmore. So because that that's a constant thought in my life every day is him. But so it means that now I can visit like my friend April in Atlanta. I can leave without asking permission.

Yeah, they do. They have tablets now.

They're watching. Movies. They're about to start doing the visits. Let me tell you something. The women have had video visits. The men still... They still don't have video visits for the men. I don't even understand that. The women have had video visits since, what, 2009? Well, I don't know.

No, no, not 2009. I'd say about, when did they get the, about 2011, 2011.

Video visits. Ever since they had computers, they still don't have them.

I want to find a lawsuit against Polk County for the video visit being set up where they could see the shower. We believe. They made them change it. Because at some point, like... Some guy walks out. Yeah, like they're on a video visit talking to their people. And they can see the fucking shower. There's naked dudes walking around.

What's up, Frank? What's up, Bob?

Hey, man, put some clothes on.

I can take the little money I saved up and maybe buy a car and have car payments.

Yes. Yes, you met April.

I have the Cadillac that I bought. What's wrong with the Cadillac? There's nothing wrong, but my daughter needs a car.

Well, who was the black guy?

They call him Long Jump.

I like that. Long Jump. Yeah.

What's illogical?

I was going to buy me one and give her that one.

Well, I want to try car payments, but I would have to ask him, you know, and me being me, I was stubborn and I never paid my full restitution. And so I told him I didn't have money. And therefore, whenever I asked to buy a car, he's like, no, you don't have money. Yeah. So it represents I don't have to ask anymore to purchase a automobile. I can actually start looking and buy a car.

You got a call going on?

You need your cap and gown. You need your cap and gown. I am speaking the native tongue now.

Yes. Do you wonder to transition from your regular English to absolutely nothing? Oh my God, it fucking makes sense. Yeah, I have to end this, man. I gotta roll, man. It's almost four o'clock. Ready? Yeah.

I have not eaten at all all day. I'm frigging starving. Oh, okay. Buddy, I'll... Oh, excuse me.

You will be free. Oz is free. Oz is free. So I don't, I don't want to, I do. I have made it like every Tuesday and Thursday to visit, um, his office and do podcasts. We talked about that. We talk about different subjects. I've a couple of more people that I was in prison with have been released. So I've been wanting to interview them.

So I am committed, even though it's unbelievable to doing more podcasts in 2025, building up my channel, um,

Yes. And this is going to be on camera. We had me down for two. So I'm off two days a week. So we had me down for two days a week. I was going to go to his office and we were going to do a podcast. But what happens is he's not that active. app that's setting up the camera.

So I would get there and I have to pick my daughter up from school, which me buying another car would help me with that so I don't have to be anywhere at a certain time. So I get there and he's not set up.

Well, he's in Temple. That's like 25 miles away.

No, her school is five minutes away from the house. Four miles from my house. The house is like 25 minutes from where he's got his little studio. But she still do it just out of the car. Of course.

Well, if he had a car, then I don't want to ride on that motorcycle. He said I hug him too tight. He said I hug him too tight when he's doing 100.

They ride mopeds? Yeah. Well, Bosiac's not going to hug him. He's going to hold him by the shoulder. Cup him.

Oh, my God. The job where I was doing insurance, Uber accident. You know what? I heard there was a scam going on with Uber accidents. But for some reason, I think Uber has been paying a bunch of money for people who are in their cars and get in an accident. Like they've been covering their medical bills or something with some kind of scam going on.

What's the date? He's one of those friends.

He doesn't hit me with three or four in a day. What is it? Okay.

That's might've been what it was. Cause I don't have Instagram. So I have to figure out how to go through and load it and watch it.

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No.

And Dave was, I'm 5'6", Dave's a foot tall.

That is wow.

This was the perfect storm of consumer fraud. We had a group of consumers that wouldn't want to come forward and say that they'd been ripped off.

Managements all the time are making decisions that are bet-the-company decisions. He happened to bet on consumer fraud. He didn't get away with it.

Right.

I do.