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Dark Valley

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There's a picture of him right up there in the 80s. My father and my mother.

Dark Valley

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Yeah. I thought that was you. No. That's my father and mother, and that was 87. That was 87? That's an 87 picture.

Dark Valley

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Well, you had a case down here at Gamalo's. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right, Jane Barassi. Yeah, that was a big thing. Pretty crazy. Do you remember that happening? I do, I do. It was a long time ago. Of course, I'm the youngest of four, so, you know, 86, I think I was 12 or 13, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was Linda's...

Dark Valley

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Yes. And that's the lady who was... Agamarlo. Agamarlo's daughter.

Dark Valley

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Yeah. Yeah. But I do remember that because we had gone to... My mom took us to the fair... We went to the fair and we, you know, we never stayed late because my father didn't like that. It was get your ass home. And I think it was the next day it come out. She was attacked down here. She stopped to get a soda or something. Yeah.

Dark Valley

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She was coming from the fair. Yeah.

Dark Valley

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Yeah. I mean, back then, that's where everybody went.

Dark Valley

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That would be crazy, wouldn't it?

Dark Valley

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No. No. Just like I don't go anywhere.

Dark Valley

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But this, the Linda one...

Dark Valley

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It's not that I know more about it. It's I heard more of the conversation from the man about it, you know what I mean, as he would tell his story, you know. See, I was 12. I remember... The detectives come into the house. Really? That night, yeah.

Dark Valley

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Yeah, it was quick. Boom. They were well-dressed. I remember that. They had ties on, and they had their badges, and you know what I mean? But once they come in the house, we were shrewd away. And that was the house they went to right next door. I remember the detectives coming. Obviously, we didn't know anything about it. And, you know, he told the story tops three or four times in his life.

Dark Valley

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And it was always the same. And of course, at that time, at 12, we didn't hear the story because, you know, we remember the detectors. But the story come out later that at the time he worked preparing quickum at a wall pole. And Frank Wickham had many crews, and they had started a driveway crew.

Dark Valley

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I don't know how many years it had been, but I heard that Jack ran that crew that actually paved the driveways for those people.

Dark Valley

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And then there was a problem with the driveway. I don't know whether it was a water puddle or something. I don't know. So... And then some things were making sense because, like I said, I looked some things up after recently, like it was in April. Okay. So Frank Wickham at that time would have been starting their season in April because I do pavement, too. You know what I mean?

Dark Valley

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That's when we start. But back to the story from him was, you know, all the supervisors had their own office and whatever, but he had went into Walpole... And they had three or four jobs that they had problems with.

Dark Valley

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Okay. And Harry was his boss, Vice President Frank Wickham. And he asked him where he was going, because they went all through Vermont at that time. And he gave him the... There was two tags for him to stop and talk to the people and see what was wrong. And so... Obviously, from Walpole to Saxons River is not very far. And he went to the house and knocked on the door.

Dark Valley

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He had to knock two or three times. And then a woman came to the door. And she only opened the door that much. And she said her husband wasn't home. And he's like, well, you know, I want to talk to him about the driveway. He left his card, his business card.

Dark Valley

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And then I remember him saying she abruptly shut the door, and he left.

Dark Valley

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Abruptly, that's all I heard. I didn't hear anything about, you know. But later on, as we got older, obviously that story would come out. And... We heard things like, well, that night the detectives came, they were showing him pictures. Of the crime scene? No. They showed a picture of the woman, Linda, and they asked him if that was the woman he met with, and he said no.

Dark Valley

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He said, no, this woman had really bright red hair.

Dark Valley

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Bright, bright red hair.

Dark Valley

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And he said that he'd only talked to her for a second, you know, and left the card. Well, the detectives found his card on the counter. And then he left, you know, he left and... He really didn't have much information other than that because they tracked him the rest of the day and confirmed, you know, his alibi to where he was.

Dark Valley

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It was always that weren't the same woman. It wasn't Linda I spoke to. And she was quick and abrupt. And time frames, I don't know.

Dark Valley

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I know, because... I heard the pod people talking about timeframes, and I was like, according to the detective, he was there in that timeframe.

Dark Valley

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Well, they figured the husband got home, what, 3 o'clock or something?

Dark Valley

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And they figured she had been killed two hours prior to that, so... You know what I'm saying? And I think his time frame was 12, 1 o'clock.

Dark Valley

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Yeah, I don't think he passed my father.

Dark Valley

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No, my father, he never stayed anywhere too long. He was, you know what I'm saying?

Dark Valley

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Yeah, he was very aggressive, you know. And if you know Saxon's River at all, he hit the highway and he was going north. You know what I mean? So, again, like I said, I heard it like three or four times. You know what I'm saying? But if you listen to the pod men and some of the things they have online, I mean, for me, nothing adds up. whether it be speculation or not.

Dark Valley

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But I just go back to what I remember as a child, you know, and then later on in life, I remember him making a comment that Harry ******, the vice president, says, well, do I get a business attorney involved in this? And he's like... My father said, no, I didn't do anything. You know what I mean? I was probably at the wrong place, wrong time. For me, somebody knows something. Okay.

Dark Valley

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My father wasn't a liar. I think there's a woman involved there. And, you know, that's my opinion.

Dark Valley

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I'm going to be honest. He never said. He... He never talked about what he thought. I mean, obviously, I mean, even back then, you had the Connecticut Valley killings. You had the Route 10 thing down here, which is kind of close to home. And, you know, you had that. There was something else he talked about. I never even see anything online about it. You know what I mean? But there was weird...

Dark Valley

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He call it weird shit happening that way.

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There would have been a company truck, yellow. They had Ford pickups. Ford pickups? Yeah, and they had the FWW on the side.

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He never mentioned anything about a vehicle being there. Never even mentioned anything about a problem with the driveway. You know what I mean?

Dark Valley

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No, because my mother... Had the personal vehicle.

Dark Valley

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Yeah, he always had company trucks and stuff like that.

Dark Valley

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Even when he started his own business, he had a company truck. You know, my mother would have the Buicks. You know what I mean? Stuff like that. Frank Wickham had... A group of people that they would bid for state work, Vermont, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Mass. And they would have 12 people. Well, my father was one of them. You know what I mean?

Dark Valley

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He mainly did the New Hampshire and Vermont bidding. See what I mean? So they had a group of people. And at that time in the winter, they took their company trucks and gave them cars. See what I mean? Yeah. We as kids used to clean his company truck every week, you know what I mean? So, no, he liked his company truck.

Dark Valley

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No, the man was too proud, trust me. I mean, he'd go to Fairfields and buy brand-new cars, you know, for my mother, so... Yeah, no. He took trips, so he had new cars. You know what I mean? No.

Dark Valley

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No, he weren't a Dodge guy. I mean, Dad was never... He was... You were lucky to see him on Sundays when we were being shuffled out the door to church, you know, because he worked all the time. You know what I mean? I mean, he'd work on it hours a week. Is that what your life was like, too? Oh, yeah, pretty much.

Dark Valley

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I mean, I would imagine that the police obviously got fingerprints, or did they get any of that?

Dark Valley

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I mean, did they have, I mean, you said they had fingerprints?

Dark Valley

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Was the knife ever found? Was there a knife found? Really?

Dark Valley

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That knife. The knife, yeah. Yeah. My father had a knife, but they were locked up and you couldn't touch them. It was whole dogs. That and his guns. So, yeah, they were locked. Everything was locked right up. You couldn't. My mother didn't even know what the key was.

Dark Valley

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I think he had a knife. Well, originally when he died, he took everything out of the house. So, you know.

Dark Valley

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Mm-hmm. That's where I had it. He just, of course, he went from, I mean, first airborne to working for the government. I'm a preacher now.

Dark Valley

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Yeah, yeah. Anyways, God bless his act. And then everything after that was a mess. Just, oh, here's a million dollars in debt. That's insane. It is insane.

Dark Valley

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I run a company, and I'm not a millionaire. I'm lucky to be $30,000.

Dark Valley

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After he passed? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went through four years of hell. I mean, we wanted my father to turn the business, and him and I take it and go, you know? But, you know, 62, I'm too proud. But knowing what we know now, you didn't want to turn it because of all the financial problems. You know, so we learned that. I spent four years, of course,

Dark Valley

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You know, you don't, who do you talk to when you're dealing with this stuff? So, I mean, he owed everybody in Keene money, and I sat down with every one of them, and I made agreements, and I kept them. Took me four years, and his million dollars in debt was gone.

Dark Valley

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Oh, well, no, I'd have 12 at a time. I'd make payments. Jeez. You know, and these, he'd owe $20,000, $40,000, $80,000, $21,000. You know, it just went on and on and on.

Dark Valley

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Like equipment? Well, no, he took over another business.

Dark Valley

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Okay. The paving company was a honey hole. It worked. Pavement companies make a lot of money in a short amount of time. And you gotta be able to manage it after that. You know what I'm saying? And he wasn't very good at that. He was... He'd go do a job on a handshake and not get paid. You know, he was that old boy, you know. Oh, family's struggling. Oh, here's some money.

Dark Valley

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You know, it's great to do that if you have it. You know what I mean? Yeah, he had to hire the gold and give me a shirt off his back. You know, it cost him.

Dark Valley

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No. I think, and the reason why I say it is because that story was the same. Even if it was 10 years apart, it was, you know what I'm saying?

Dark Valley

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Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is stuff come out, you know. Like when they were growing up, he was tougher and stuff like that. You got to remember, I'm years apart from, I was the whoops baby. Okay. So, you know, I'm 50, they're heading towards 60. See what I'm saying? And my family, I mean, a lot of people don't understand this, nor do we talk about it. You know, no, I don't.

Dark Valley

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And I've never thought about a question like that, because he wasn't that type of guy. You know what I mean? He was very strict, because he was military, and he'd ask you once, not ten times like you have today with kids. And, you know, if something was out of the ordinary in the house, it was, you know, and he was old school. He might have not had money to give you, but he'd cook you a meal.

Dark Valley

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You know what I mean?

Dark Valley

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So, no, I wouldn't think that for a minute.

Dark Valley

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I wouldn't think that for a minute.

Dark Valley

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Well, yeah, growing up, because I... He claims that my father drank a lot and this and that, and it was kind of rough and tough with him. I mean, he brought his help buying the wood jet, and, you know, you want to be a man, here it is, boom. You know what I mean? That's the way it was, you know? So...

Dark Valley

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I remember my father saying when they first moved in the house, because I was a year old, I was 74. Later on, my father, he remembers waking up by 2 o'clock in the morning, and a red-haired woman was staring at him. Us kids, we would sit in the living room, watch TV, and Mom and Dad had the light on in the kitchen, so it was real dim. You would see black shadow people move. Yeah.

Dark Valley

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Well, the oldest house was on Swansea.

Dark Valley

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Yeah, it was like 1700-something. My grandmother is Pentecostal. She's passed now, but she wouldn't come down and go in that house. Yeah, she'd tell my father, there's evil spirits here.