Winston Marshall
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Dr. Drew, great to see you. You know I'm a big fan, so I'm very happy to be back on your show.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I love that particularly we got into Reagan because there's this myth about Reagan being the one who upended mental health institutions across America. And that completely blew my mind, as well as all of your wonderful stories about the Kennedy family. I mean, the stories, I guess, aren't so wonderful. But that was one of my absolute favorite episodes of my show I've ever done, without doubt.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Well, go look it up. Where can they find it? You can find it on the Winston Marshall Show on YouTube, all usual podcast outlets, and even on Rumble. I'm getting good at this, huh?
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Quite. Well, I think it's the censorship capital of Europe at this point. Not quite the world, but that's perhaps a longer conversation. And I don't know where to begin exactly on this. I was thinking about how I could possibly present the dire situation in Britain to you and your listeners. It isn't new.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
We have for several years, and remarkably under a Conservative government, had the slow increase. In fact, I could say this goes all the way back to the end of the war, where in Britain after the war, we then increased immigration. And as immigration increased slowly, they had to deal with... problems between different cultures and different groups.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And one of the things that came out that was a whole new log of laws to do with censorship and against free speech. Now, you, of course, in America have the First Amendment. Here in Britain, what we had is the common law tradition of free speech.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Now, since the war, we also have the European Court of Human Rights Article 10, which also protects our speech, but also has a caveat in loads of ways in which our speech is not actually free. But let's get into the details.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
In 2014, the Conservative government opened a College of Police in Quango, which is a quasi-governmental organisation, and they set up what is the non-crime hate incidents, which your previous guest, Ralph, mentioned they're also now doing in Germany. A non-crime hate incident can be logged against someone
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
by anyone, not only the perceived victim, but anyone who perceives someone to say something that might be offensive to someone else, regardless of whether or not it is actually offensive to someone else, and regardless of not of the intent itself. Now, a non-crime hate incident, you don't know that you've got it on your record. You don't know, you can't actually get rid of it. But
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
potential future employers can see that it's on your record, and of course it makes a difference then if you wanted to work in, say, a school or a hospital or in the public sector or beyond. There have been 250,000 non-crime hate incidents registered between 2014 and last year. Last year, if I can give you just a couple examples,
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
One girl, a teenager, got booked a non-crime hate incident for calling a classmate a retard. Another girl called another classmate, or rather, said that she smelt like fish. She got a non-crime hate incident that remains on her record. Another person got a non-crime-hated incident for hanging jeans on their clothesline in their back garden.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Another got one for whistling the Bob the Builder theme tune at a plumber. This might sound like a joke, but this is actually happening in Britain. We don't have the same culture of free speech. But things get, well, let's say things turbocharged last summer. In July, we elected a new prime minister, Sir Keir Starmer of the Labour Party.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Within a month, there was a terrible killing, a terrible murder of three young girls in Southport, outside of Liverpool. This, I'm sure the news got to America. Within a couple of days, there were riots and protests up and down the country. The riots were ugly, and there were also peaceful protests alongside it. In the wake of the riots, Zakir Starmer came out immediately, did a press conference.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
He didn't do a press conference about the killing itself. He did a press conference about the riots and protests and announced that there would be a clampdown. Immediately after that, thousands were arrested. And the arrests didn't include just those who were actually committing violence. It also included a whole host of people what I would say are speech crimes or so-called speech crimes.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
They included, for example, Cameron Bell, a 24-year-old, who was sentenced to nine months in prison for live streaming the aftermath of one of the riots on TikTok. It included... One man called Lee Dunn getting eight weeks in prison for reposting, not posting, reposting three memes. Those memes, by the way, I'll describe one of them. Not pretty memes, but not crazily offensive.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
One of those memes was of three Muslim men in Westminster overlooking a young girl, and it said, coming to a town near you, along those lines. So he reposted that and got three weeks. There were quite literally thousands of arrests, and all of these people, or rather, I would say the vast majority, or many of them, would not have been sentenced had they pled not guilty.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
But they were bullied into guilty pleas. Now, the reason I know this is because there's two examples of people who did not plead guilty. One was a man called Mark Heath, and as he awaited sentencing, he was beaten up in prison by, well, he says, by a Muslim gang. This is a man in a wheelchair. I believe that his...
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Tweet was not pretty, but nevertheless, it was not a crime, or at least it wasn't found to be a crime by a jury when he actually went to court. Another man was cleared last month. His name was Jamie Michaels. Jamie Michaels was a former Marine, and he posted a 12-minute video urging people to peacefully protest. Sound familiar? But he was found not guilty by a trial.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I think it was thrown out of court in about 12 minutes or 13 minutes, not much longer than the length of the video itself. And he was protected by the Free Speech Union. So... What we have there, we still have people in prison for breaking these various speech laws. Now, I could go into the details of the mountain of speech laws that we have built up since the war.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I can also, I have a new theory about why that came about, we could go into. But certainly the state of free speech in Britain is not the envy of the world.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Well, there were murmurs that Sir Keir Starmer had recognised the ridiculousness of the non-crime hate incidences, the NCHIs. But there have since been more murmurs from the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, saying that they were just going to carry on.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I'd say one reason why these have been so successful is it's much easier for the police to book someone with an NCHI than to actually do the difficult work of capturing burglars or thieves or real criminals.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Well, I mean, they've also been going after journalists. There's a journalist called Alison Pearson at The Telegraph who had a knock at the door from the police because of a year-old tweet she had deleted in the wake of October 7th, I believe. She would be around London and posted a picture of someone with what she believed was either a Hezbollah or a Hamas flag.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
and saying something like, this is not pretty or this is no good. And then when someone corrected her and said she'd got the wrong flag, it was some sort of Iranian resistance flag, I forget the exact details, she immediately deleted it. Nevertheless, a year later, she gets a knock on the door. This is journalists now having the fear of God put into them. And it does have an effect on people.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
What was very interesting after the August riots was that everyone suddenly got like, oh, what can I say? Like, can I not say? Everyone got nervous to use social media. Everyone got nervous to speak
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
in on the television or or elsewhere i i heard stories i know a lot of people who work in media and and in live broadcasters was kind of scared to in case they'd lost their jobs because they didn't want to say the wrong thing there was it was very nebulous what exactly the rules were it really wasn't clear so it does it does have a stifling uh effect on on speech sakir starmer
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Interestingly, this weekend, this is a bit of a turn in the topic, but it's declared that he wants to clean up the bureaucracy in Britain. This may be a Labour version of Doge, which I am very excited by the prospect. Nice. I think you're right that he is a serious guy. I think that he's a smart guy. He's a man who came up through law.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
He was chief, I've forgotten his exact, chief crown prosecutor, I believe. And so he's probably very academic, highly intelligent, bookish type, but not much personality, but the sort of person in the managerial classes who gets to the top.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
When the riots were happening, and I... No, no, when... Fast forward a couple of months, and it was revealed that the killer, who much about his identity had been kept secret, then they started revealing more information regarding... his actual criminal convictions. So actually, I should colour this in a little bit more.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
About two months after, timed exactly with the budget announced by the government, the Merseyside police announced that he was also being charged, as well as for murder, with having al-Qaeda pamphlets at home, as well as ricin. So he was being charged on terrorist charges.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
So one of the reasons why the riots had happened was because there was no information about what was going on after that killing, and there was a real sense of anger. There was a sense of frustration that the police, the government, weren't doing the right thing. Now, I've got to paint the picture further. It's a complex story, and I believe the one that's decades old.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
So four decades, young British girls most of whom were white underclass girls, not even working class girls, really forgotten, poorest working class girls in the country, as well as other small minorities like Sikh girls and other groups, had been victim of the Pakistani rape gangs.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Tommy Robinson isn't in prison exactly for that right now. Tommy Robinson is in prison because he showed a film which was in contempt of court, a portrayal of a young Syrian immigrant who was in America. And he had been told not to show the film because it was... libelous against this Syrian boy.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And there's a conversation to be had, I think, about whether or not the length of his prison sentence is fair and been politically manipulated. But what is true is that Tommy Robinson has been one of the leading journalists when it comes to the grooming gang scandal in the country. He has done more perhaps than anyone until Elon Musk to bring the attention to the world.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
The story of Tom Robinson is a complex one because he's also done things that have made, put in jeopardy the opportunity to have justice for some of those girls. And that's a very complex one. But just for the sake of what time we've got and to paint the picture of why the grooming gags is relevant to the free speech stuff is that the grooming gangs
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
These girls, their families and fathers had basically had enough because the police weren't doing anything. In fact, the police were complicit in it and had been found. So the councils had been complicit in it. And so these, a lot of English men, working class men, were very fed up.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And actually this has flared up before, it flared up in 2023 in Knowsley when a migrant from being kept in a migrant hotel made a pass at a young teenage girl, the video got circulated and the police did nothing. And so then riots broke out because the police did nothing. So this kind of happened again with Southport, there was this brutal, horrible killing.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
The whole country was in mourning, and it didn't feel like anything serious was being done, and it blew over. Or even if anything serious was being done, the anger was too much to be contained. It was really like the whole country was completely on edge. For three days, I don't think anyone slept. It was unbelievable. I've never known England to be so tense as that.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
There was then arguments about whether or not there should be a national inquiry. I'm not sure what the latest in that, but the government, Keir Starmer, really dragged his feet. One of the reasons why people think he dragged his feet is that whilst he was the chief crown prosecutor, he was involved in...
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
not necessarily judging individual cases of the grooming gangs, but overseeing... I haven't got the details ahead. I don't want to misportray it. But basically, they thought that he might have... It might look bad on him because of his previous work. And so that's one line of thought there, and there's some evidence to support that. But it doesn't seem like much has been moved.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
There's still people, even within the Labour Party, who want a national inquiry because it's actually a lot of Labour constituents that were the victims of this. So anyway, this is all the context for what blew over last year. And we're sort of continuing this free speech where we have... They want to contain hate speech. They want to contain speech that might... This is the tricky bit.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
It's all what incites and what technically incites. I know that we haven't got much time, but I'll put it to the why, if I may, quickly, which is that at the end of the war, the Second War, Naturally, of course, after we learned about the Holocaust, everyone rightly said, never again, this cannot happen again. But what happened was a set in motion school of thoughts.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And I think Karl Popper might be the genesis of this. which is the idea of the open society and then the closed society. And what they put in the open society was the idea of freedom, liberalism, and all of these things. And in the closed society, they put, rightly, things like fascism, but they also put in that, and this is directly in Karl Popper's work, all nationalism.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And so there was a weird dichotomy that grew at this point. And then, actually, this is directly relevant to the speech laws we have in Britain. In the 50s, there was, I think he was American, Gordon, it was an American psychologist called Gordon, oh, I forget his surname, Gordon, I lose it, but he had this idea, which might sound familiar, was that He had the speech pyramid.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And at the bottom of the pyramid, he had, it was hate speech or hurty words. And at the top was genocide. So then became this new paradigm where if you didn't deal with hate speech when it got to the bottom, genocide was the consequence. And I think that that philosophy or that idea has been behind a lot of all of the hate speech laws that grew over the coming 60, 70 years.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I think what can be done in Britain is that once a new party is brought in, I don't think it's going to happen under Labour, that you gut out all of these hate speech laws and you go back to the common law rule of free speech. That's what can be done there. What's more bizarre, I think, is that when it comes to these issues, there's almost a denial that it's even happening.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
If you are a progressive in Britain, you won't see that there's any injustice about any of the people who got arrested for hate speech because for them, if it's hateful, you shouldn't defend them and it's bad. So it's not seen as a bad thing. Now, I don't think that the conservatives are much better on this because whatever it is that they deem bad, they will have...
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
many of them will have double standards. I'm even questioning myself for examining what's happening with Mahmoud Khalil, whose politics are directly opposite mine, and trying to think about whether what's going on there with him being detained now in Louisiana, is that his free speech being abandoned? But I'm not entirely sure I've come to the answer, but what I do note is
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Almost all conservatives are saying this is not a free speech issue, this is an immigration issue. And almost all progressives are saying this is absolutely fundamentally a First Amendment case. And so it seems to be that there's clearly a bias that both sides have in wanting to clamp down on speech which is not speech that they agree with.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Yeah, I can tell you that.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Yes, they do, but non-citizens are also subject to U.S. code, Title 8, which is a set of rules and laws that applies to them because they are not naturalized citizens. And so the problem with Mahmoud Khalil is that on the one hand, if he was an American citizen, This wouldn't be a conversation. He's done absolutely nothing that is illegal if he was an American citizen.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
But because he is not, and he's originally from Gaza City, he's Palestinian, I think he also lived, he might have Syrian nationality as well. He is subject to Title VIII of the U.S. Code and the Immigration and Nationality Act. In it, it says, if you... If you represent an organization that shows support for a designated terrorist organization, you are bound, you don't have any right to stay here.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And what Mahmoud Khalil did as the chief spokesperson, or not, Sorry, he was a spokesperson for and a lead negotiator for Columbia University Apartheid Divest, which is one of these university groups involved with Gaza Plaza or the encampment in New York City, which I think people will know about. Because of that, he falls almost exactly in line with this code. So the debate seems to be whether...
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Yes, he does normally have First Amendment, but does this other law supersede that? I guess there's the question there that will play out in court.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
The Mahmoud Khalil story, I mean, he seems to be the new George Floyd. And by that, I mean, he is the new progressive martyr, the new progressive poster boy, although he's now garbed in a kefir. And he... This is a story that's not going away. I think that it's really riled the progressives.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
And I note now the progressives suddenly care about cancel culture and progressives suddenly care about free speech again. So I suspect that this is a real turning point in America.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
I am in London at the moment building the show. I'm about to move into a new studio, but I'll be back in America and I am coming. I'll be in the East Coast and maybe even the West Coast. I'll give you a ding, Dr. Drew, if I make it over there.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
We could talk endlessly. Why don't we do it in New York when I come over?
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
No, we can do it now. Do you want to do it now?
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
Well, actually, just to be more specific, I got in trouble because I retweeted a book by Andy Ngo, who is an American Asian conservative journalist who wrote a book about Antifa and the BLM riots in 2020. He documented... Everything from the 25 people killed between George Floyd and the end of October.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
He documented the whole month of July where the insurrection at the Hatfield Courthouse in Portland, Oregon, all of that damage, the $2 billion worth of damage done by the BLM riots. He documented all of that. And that book, you know, BLM is, you just can't, in the creative industries, you can't criticize it.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
time what what i found very interesting doing my show is that privately at least some people who i thought were part of the the british and even the american sort of liberal establishment will privately DM me or speak to me and want to talk about things because they can't talk about it in their workplaces or wherever they are. And they listen to the show. They listen to you.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
They might not be able to say it. And actually, that gives me great courage when they do. And it reminds me that we have a duty to speak because there are taboo topics that people can't talk about. And if we don't talk about it, then no one can.
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Thank you, Dr. Drew.
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He's people.
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New Hotline To Report “Conspiracy Theorist” Family & Friends w/ Ralph Schoellhammer & Winston Marshall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 466
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But woke, progressive, liberal, I don't know what... I just know what I believe. And I know that to answer your original question, is it going to go away? I don't think so. I don't think it ever goes away fully. And the Democrats will either make the hard edge of it. They have so many opportunities to sister soldier this shit and just do something that would make Americans go, oh, you know what?
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Good, because Trump is starting to really make me nervous. And it'd be nice to think if the other party wasn't so married to these cultural issues. And here's the Democrats' big problem is, in their minds, these cultural issues that the right is, in their view, obsessed with, sometimes, yes, do I really care if the transgender Congress lady uses the ladies' room or men's?
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Well, I don't give a shit where she takes a pee. Okay, but a lot of it is like Democrats have this view like, Well, these are not real issues. Well, they are to a lot of people, like people with kids in school and stuff who think that they should be able to have the say above the school in the lives of their kids. I mean, this was not even controversial when I was a child.
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Oh, well, you know, I mean, please. As they said about Castro, he's a man of the people, but he is a man. I devote my life to bettering America. I don't have time for anything social or women, please. I'm all in for America. You love America.
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So let's get back to that. That we forgot about. So it was the middle of wokeness, and you had bought a book online. Yes, I bought a book.
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It's your right to buy a book. And then your band members, right, were like – you've got to – I mean, they used to throw the band – people out of the band for, like, really crazy shit. I mean, Led Zeppelin, I think, used to fuck groupies with a fish. I do. I feel like I read – Am I wrong? Again, allegedly, but I feel like there was a shark involved. Rather young groupies as well. Crazy.
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I mean, you're the one with the big story. I don't know if... There's so much else to talk about. Like, I don't know, our journeys. I feel like if your journey met my truth, they'd have a great time.
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And you just ordered a book by a conservative writer. I mean, the fact that that was even a controversy just blows my mind.
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I think it's, of course, an important note. It wouldn't for the kids at Columbia who are marching for Hamas.
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And if that doesn't make my point about liberalism, it's not the same as wokeism. Exactly. Nothing does. If you don't get that... then you don't get anything and I'm just wasting my time talking to you. But anyway, so I'm very curious, the other members of the band. Yes. Mumford was cool with it, but Son not so much. No, I'm joking. Who was uncool with it?
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Obviously, it got on my radar. Yeah. And so then... Well, it's because you apologized for it. That's what I was critiquing.
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Like, you know, you should stand up to these. And then to your great credit, you recanted.
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Not that I really believe in that my truth thing. It's like, everybody's got their truth. There used to be the truth. That was a different era.
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It's hard not to feel when the whole country, I know this has happened to me a few times, turns the white hot light It's over here, these people, and they're in the barrel. And then suddenly it's like, that's, and it feels.
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Suddenly you're, in the course of a day, you're history's greatest monster. You know what, as we're talking about this, I'm remembering the line we did. which was pretty funny, which was, you're going after this guy for reading a book? He's a musician, don't worry, it won't happen again. That's a terrible thing to say.
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I felt like I was one of the bad guys to... Was the band close at that point, or were you going through... I mean, because Mumford & Sons was huge. You're still big. You're still at the Hollywood Bowl, like three nights in a row. But there was a time when they were like, and this is a little after that, but like, you know, winning all the Grammys, and there's like an It band.
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That's amazing. I mean, most people don't ever get to that. And you can't be that forever. Even the Beatles were only back for six years, you know, or something. Yeah, I imagine they did all that in seven years. Yeah, but so where was the... And normally when a band is that successful, they hate each other anyway.
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For all the reasons bands hate each other, which as many rock stars have explained to me, is basically two things. One, you didn't like my song. Two, you took that girl.
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I mean, as a Beatle nut, I know all the stories and among them that my favorite is they would do these gigs in the year right leading up to Beatlemania, you know, like 63. I guess it was already happening in England, but But there would be all of them in one van and no heat in the van in England in the winter. And they'd drive up, have to drive six hours to the gig.
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And they would be lying on top of each other in the back of the van for warmth. That's a tight band. Yeah, that's a tight one. That'll get you tight. But then usually, it's funny, in those years, you see pictures of them and they're always smiling. Then you see the pictures of them from 68 on and it's just like, yeah.
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The people. The people. I love the people. Do you drink, Winston? I don't, but is it going to bother you if I smoke a cigar? No, everybody should do what they want. If you want to smoke a cigar, spank a monkey, I don't care. Whatever you want to do, I'm all for that. I think we both have a libertarian streak in us. Exactly. Right, okay. So yes, tell the people...
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You're climbing the mountain and it's going well. And just for your soul, for your spirit, it's the greatest.
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And also, it was going against the grain. Like, no one would have predicted that kind of band Well, I've got a theory about that. Well, I think banjo is going to be the next bit. No one was saying that. So it was like a big flex.
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Yeah, there's always like five versions of the DVR that comes out and nobody uses Betamax. I'm sorry, but that's just the way of the world. There's winners and losers, okay?
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So I sort of see it as a... I think it was a reaction of people leaving their phone messages at the beginning of their record.
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I cannot listen to this guy talking. I remember that. And then there were usually like something that just, okay, you're the biggest, baddest dude on the block. I get it. All the bitches want you and...
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What I'm asking is, at the time of Bookgate, With Mr. No. And Mr. No's last name is spelled G-N-O, correct? N-G-O. I mean, NGO. He's Vietnamese by origin. That's correct. Right. In case people think we're talking about Dr. No and try to look this up, it's like, where's this No guy?
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I don't know. But at the time of Bookgate, where was the band... the day before the book thing happened? Were they good? Was it all love?
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But did you hate each other or like each other at that moment?
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It must be just like a relationship, but with four people. Like as complicated as a relationship can be, and then times the drummer. Yeah. We didn't have a drama, by the way. Well, but most bad. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. It just, it's got to be rough. But fun. Okay, so then the book thing happens.
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It was, you know, first of all, what year are we talking about? Well, your monologue, I think, was 22 or 23? No, I think it was a little earlier because I think it was right in the middle of wokest mania.
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But did the band splinter on you as the issue? Like some people were, hey, we're too hard on Winston. And some people were, no, we're not hard enough. Burn him, burn him.
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Wow. I wish I'd attacked them instead of you.
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That was sort of under coercion. It's a little bit of a hostage video.
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Of course, good for you. But it is a little bit of a hostage video.
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Well, you didn't, and there's not, and you shouldn't be contrite. But I would compare this to me getting the vaccine. I didn't want to do it. It was a bit of a hostage video. But I weighed, do I want to live my life, which I couldn't have done if I didn't get it. They wouldn't let me near the building where I taped my show. Really? The vaccine in 2021 when we got it, you just had to get it.
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Okay. and I want you to finish that thought, but I'm just going to put this in context. You know, stand behind, yeah, we're all for that in principle. Alexander Solzhenitsyn was in the Gulag. I know, I'm not saying... No, no, I'm just saying, like, he has the credentials to say, you know, I was really standing behind it. I mean, he wrote the Gulag Archipelago.
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He wrote the book for folks who were too young to know or whatever, but that really exposed the fact that the Soviet Union had an archipelago, in other words, a chain of prisons. Yeah, absolutely. You know, like Hardee's, but not nearly as nice. But a chain, like a whole chain throughout the country, an archipelago of gulags, which are horrible prisons.
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Yeah, where millions went and millions were killed.
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And he did his time there because he was a dissident, and anybody who dared to speak out, against the Soviet Union. That's where they went. And then at a certain point, my memory is fuzzy on this, I mean, he came here. I mean, he was a... He came to Vermont, sorry. Vermont, exactly. I always thought, well, it's cold. It probably reminds you of Russia.
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You know, so you feel kind of at home in the winter. It's horrible. And, you know, it's full of leftists, right?
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It's also relevant that Trump... Right now, the Trump administration is disappearing people in the way dictatorships around the world. I think the word first came to be commonly used about Argentina in like the 70s and the 80s. It was a junta. It was a dictatorship, you know, as most of South America was in that era.
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And, you know, if you were a dissident, you would just, one day you're on the street and the next day you're, you know, we've all seen this scene in the movie where they put the hood over you and put you in the back seat. You know, you're just never seen again.
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Well, he's just people who he has taken off the street claiming that they are Venezuelan gang members. And we know at least some of them are definitely not. One guy was, I think, a hairdresser. He was a makeup artist, I think. He was a gay man. He wasn't in the gang. He did hair for the gang.
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Okay. That is peak woke crazy. That's peak woke crazy. I remember talking about that with the black square. It reminded me of... What's the movie where we wear pink on Wednesdays? Mean Girls. You ever saw Mean Girls?
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Yes, and they're sending them to, I mean, it's just certainly something America has never done and, to my view, should not be involved in doing. Sending anyone to jail. Just like without any recourse to any trial, just taking someone off the street based on a tattoo. I mean, tattoos, I'm so glad I have any. Watch out, baristas.
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Well, if you're an illegal immigrant, I can see at most kicking you out of the country, but not kicking you out of the country into a Salvadorian prison. Or at least not without a trial, yeah. What does Salvador and their prison system have to do with our issues here? I mean, it's just, it's very extra legal. And it's very third world, what third world dictators do.
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And ignoring court orders to stop doing it. You know, we all want to get rid of the gangs. I agree. I don't want to get killed by a gang member. You know, gang members, they very often have to shoot some rando as their initiation. Well, I don't want to be somebody's teardrop.
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Tattoo. I don't want to be that guy who was sacrificed so you could get your teardrop, you know? But I also don't want to live in a country where you disappear people. So, you know, let's not become the Soviet Union.
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I mean, one of the things that liberals of... of former age really have to answer for is they loved Stalin, a lot of them, in the 30s. And a lot of conservatives liked Hitler.
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I think it was part... Well, first of all, this is before we knew about the gulags. Okay. But yes, communism, socialism... All that stuff, especially you're talking about, I mean, the depression happens in 1929. Stalin was newly, he becomes premier of Russia in 1924. So they didn't know a hell of a lot about him. They knew there was a revolution, a communist revolution.
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You know, that's it. We all wear pink on Wednesdays. Yeah, exactly. And if you don't, or if you don't put the black square... That's just crazy.
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If you really want to learn about this in an entertaining way, watch Warren Beatty's brilliant movie Reds. But communism was not seen as an evil then, especially because we had a depression. Capitalism was the bad guy. We just had this big depression. So communism was very attractive to a lot of people. And the Communist Party ran candidates on the ballot. It was something you could vote for.
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It wasn't until later, but a lot of people kind of got it that Stalin was a bad guy and a dictator from the beginning. As was Castro and Che Guevara and the asshole in Venezuela and lots of other people that liberals, including liberal friends of mine, somehow think are cool to be friends with or laud. Che Guevara was a murderous psychopath.
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Because it's out there, that information. The entire educational system in this country is inexcusable. But I don't expect the kids to know it because their own teachers probably don't know it. I mean, I've seen some of the TikToks of teachers. And this is my favorite kind of information because it's direct to me. There's no filter. I'm not reading this. It's not somebody's opinion.
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It's some teacher who made a TikTok, and she's 28, and she's talking about, you know, basically how she is indoctrinating kids.
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to at least consider homosexuality. Come on, Johnny, you're six years old. It's about time you considered whether you're homosexual. Well, it's really not. We were all homosexual at six, by the way, because I didn't like girls until I was 12. Did you?
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Were you sexually attracted to boys when you were six? I'm not attracted, but girls had cooties. Many still do. Many still do. They had cooties, and you couldn't admit you liked a girl. No, you hung out with boys and did boy things. Girls sucked. Girls were terrible. I had a button. I bought it at Valley Fair. It said, I hate girls. I swear to God, they made a button. How old?
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I feel like this was like 12 because there was that moment in adolescence when some of the boys you know are starting to defect. Because they're reaching puberty.
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Traitors. Exactly. Traitors. Never trusted them. You like girls? What? Super gay. Super gay. And so, yeah. I mean, so when you're young, I mean, you really, it's like prison. It's just a bunch of guys. And that's all you want to be around.
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But there's many who are. What I'm saying is many young teachers, from what I've seen, and I'm sure most teachers are great people. My sister's a teacher. I have the greatest admiration for teachers. My cousin's a teacher, yeah. But I'm sorry. I've seen the TikToks. There are some dumbass teachers out there. And the idea that they're actually teaching kids shit... is frightening.
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And Marx is considered... Yes, and they have dumb ideas about Israel and Gaza. I've seen polling like a third of the people under 30 think it might be worth another try, communism. In Russia? No, in here.
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Well, in Russia. Probably Russia too. I saw a poll recently that Stalin is still considered the greatest leader. Absolutely. People like a strong man.
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But I'll say this about that soccer team. They never phoned it in.
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Yeah, exactly. And it's relevant to this, right? That could be my rap name, OG cancellation.
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Right after 9-11, yes. Where were you? How old were you? I was in school. In 2001? 2001, I was... You were in high school or something?
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But it got on your radar or you read about it later? I read about it later. Okay.
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Well, it's so interesting. The arc of my career could be like the plot of something because it's full circle in the sense of 2001, I get canceled by the right for saying something that the left loved about me. Islam, basically. I was saying they're terrorists, but they're not cowards. Fast forward two years later.
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No, not at all. Right, okay. And it's not a gag today.
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They stayed with the suicide mission. They're not cowards. Okay, America did not want to hear that. But then later, like the left always wants to cancel me because I'm clear-eyed about Islam. post 9-11 and before I was also but I mean it wasn't really an issue then but like uh yeah Sharia law, not compatible with Western civilization.
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And you say that and half the woke people just walk right out of the room that cannot even be heard, even though it's completely true. And that's called Islamophobia in their minds. So it's exactly switched around. Now it's the left who can't take the truth about Islam. Isn't that funny? First the right can't, now the left can't.
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And that fits into my theory that when historians write the history of our country in this age, they won't break it down into the factions we do. They'll just say, as a people... They were stupid about this, this, this, and this. And you can find it on both sides.
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I mean, I would still say more on the right. They scare me more and are more often virulent about how they would carry out some of this stuff.
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That was a big thing in the 90s when my first show, Politically Incorrect, was on the air. That was a big issue. Tipper Gore was Al Gore, Vice President Al Gore, Democrat. His wife was all about these rappers have got to go. And it's not like she was completely wrong. I mean, I don't believe in censorship of any kind. But she wasn't wrong. that it was a bad influence on kids.
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And a lot of looting. I mean, justice shopping.
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I mean, I just feel, I always felt it was like the perfect revenge that black people got on white people. Like, okay, you treated us so bad for a long time, and now we're going to write lyrics to songs that your white kids in the suburbs are going to listen to, and your daughter's going to want to be a hoe. And that's our revenge on you, and it's just the beginning.
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You deserve it, and I'm sure white people do.
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I mean, it was probably the same thing I was just talking about with you. When the bright hot light turns on you, it's not a good feeling. I mean, it's not a warm, bathed in a warm glow kind of light. It's like an interrogation lamp light times a terrible... tanning bed and you just feel singed. Was that your first sort of controversy? No, no.
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But it was the one that, you know, rose to the level of getting me fired. I mean, all the sponsors pulled out and then it was just a matter of time. I mean, I never blamed the network for firing me. You can't keep a show on the air if it has no sponsors. You know, I mean...
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The shows we did, this happened on November, of course, September 11th. That was a Tuesday. All the shows all across America were off the air that week. No comedy, just the news. Okay, we get that. Then we all went back to work the next week. So Monday after September 11th, September 17th, what I call the tragic events of 9-17. And that's a guy on the panel, a super hardcore conservative guy.
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I'm mocking. No, I mean, look... It's so complicated. But, you know, obviously, we are all products to a degree of our past. So too with a nation. And our past is one of horrible racism. So the idea that that is not going to eke into the present over and over again in ways like that because of the frustration and the hatred in the past, I mean, every action has a reaction.
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I mean, I would call him nutcase conservative guy. I mean, since then. He wasn't such a nutcase then, but he went, I mean, full, I don't know, past MAGA. But he said, he's the one who said it. He said, the terrorists weren't cowards, they were warriors. And I just agreed. And then he was in a cab, never asked about it again. And then some disc jockey in Texas who, this was so instructive about it,
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It's right away, nobody cared. Because they don't really care. But it's so easy to gin people up. And somebody did. But it took a few days to go, hey, don't you hate this? Hey, hey, this, don't you? Yeah, I do. I fucking hate that. And then they were all, and so then it snowballed. And once the snowball starts, they love it. I mean, again, this was six days after 9-11. They were looking for
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somebody to hate, and I again did a service for my country.
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And they go... You're either a hippie or a Nazi.
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You've said the exact right word. I always say that. It's about scalps. These people who consider themselves or would like to think of themselves as journalists, especially the internet types.
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stop it just please you know I get it this is what you do you could in your life have chosen to do something more dignified like I don't know play piano in a whorehouse but this is what you chose just this own it just admit it you're not a journalist you're a scalp hunter it's okay you all gotta make a living yeah you know I got groundhogs in my lawn do I kill them no
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I don't care if I have a lawn. Everybody's got to make a living. I get it. You know what, Salazzo? You sell heroin? That's fine. It doesn't interfere with my business. Every man's got to make a living. Just admit what you do. You sell heroin.
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Well, you know, Dr. Phil? Mm-hmm. All right, sorry. Do you know who that is?
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Sorry, I don't mean if we don't cross-examination. I love being... Lie back, relax. Tell me about your mother. Yeah. Let me think. I mean, it's a great question. I'm glad you're asking me because I haven't thought about it in such a long time. I mean, it is 24 years ago. Wow. Jesus Christ, time goes fast.
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You know, at first there was that period where we were trying to, you know, get out of it, basically. I remember I had to talk to the first... Oh, please don't sue me for this. If there's something suable here, just take it out. I don't have the energy. But I remember talking to the head guy at FedEx. It was like one of our big sponsors. And they were going to pull out. And we got on the phone.
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And I've never met him in person, although he did lie to my face over the phone. And I think he's ex-military. And I have no animosity toward this. I can't remember his name. But he did tell me on that phone call where I was like, please don't pull out, like, hey, I understand exactly what you were saying, which lots of conservatives did. Rush Limbaugh defended me.
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But people from both sides, and they produced articles from other people and other thinkers who had basically said the same thing. There's not a moral dimension to being brave. You can be brave in the cause of something evil. It's not that hard to understand. Anyway, but that didn't work. And then once... Once one crow turns and flies in the other direction, all the other fucking crows do it.
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So that's what happened. These sheep crows all flew away. And then there was no sponsors. But that period... So we went off the air. We were on for another nine months after this happened. We didn't go off the air until the end of June of the next year. I loved those shows because we were kind of freed. You know, before that...
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It's just unrealistic. It is. It doesn't mean you have to endorse looting. Right. Right. You have to keep both those thoughts in your mind at the same time. So, you know, but amid this, and again, I'm not sure what year this is, but it's- Can I take a slight detour on this?
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The show was a designed train wreck where we would have, you know, Carrot Top sitting there with Bob Dole. You know, it was just, it was meant to be stupid in a way, but also revealed, people loved it. I loved it. It was right for the time. But after that, the country was in a more somber mood. And so the shows were more gravitas. They were more like substantive people on the show.
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Gone was Pauly Shore. And in was like some expert on Middle East history, you know. Stuff like that. And the audience never left. I never was mad at being canceled. I was only mad that they did put out the lie at one point that we lost our audience. We didn't. My audience never goes anywhere. Yeah. I don't, maybe I'm not like, doing Taylor Swift numbers, but they never leave.
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And that he was the logo for Sunday services, the SS logo. Well, did you see the video where he's in the black Ku Klux Klan hood? He's talking. He's doing an interview in it.
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Well, do not care, and let's not even pretend... that there are some who agree. I mean, you're English, I think. I'm getting this by the accent. I don't read about the guests before the job. I have to say, there is not a name that is more non-Jewy than Winston Marshall. I'm actually, my grandmother was a Holocaust survivor. That's ridiculous. Really, Marshall?
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It sounds like the Secretary of State in the 1930s. Secretary of State Winston Marshall of the United Kingdom met today with Premier Khrushchev. The talks were considered to be frank, but substantive. And Mr. Marshall said he will meet with Secretary John Foster Dulles of America on Tuesday.
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Okay, so first tell me about London, because I've been to London, I think, five times? Something like that? Yeah, what was your experience? Do you like it? First time I was there was 1984. It was completely white. Not that I'm in any way saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying this is the reality, and this is why sometimes we get frustrated with the woke, because, like, take the V. It's great.
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I agree. It's great that we've made the world this more diverse place, but just don't pretend that... I think Andrew Sullivan wrote once... I mean, he was quoting a stat that, like, in the 50 years from maybe 80 to... Now, almost like the percentage of non-white residents of London went up like 50%.
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In other words, the first time I was there, it looked crazily like England of the Middle Ages or something. And then it was like New York. And again, that's not a lament. That's a, hey, good, we won.
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I saw that Prince Charles, Prince, King Charles, was somewhere like some hallowed British place from a thousand fucking years ago. And they did the call to prayer from there. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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uh the second inauguration of trump so it seems to me that there's a new coming of of this anarchism in in america and the the only democrats well no you disagree i do to a degree yes i mean i think well first of all the tesla thing is a response to a specific individual elon musk who I certainly have mixed feelings about, way more negative than I used to.
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The king is the head of the Anglican Church? Yes. That goes back to Henry VIII, right? Yeah.
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Just as long as we know where this is coming from. He's a shagger. He's a good lad. Right, but I'm saying people should know their history. He was married. He didn't want that girl anymore. And then so he said, well, I will switch religions. To get some pussy.
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I mean, that's it in a nutshell. I'm just putting that out there. But look, this is why I think us atheists have it right, which is I don't want the call to prayer, and I also don't want the call to Christian prayer. Like, no prayer. That's what was one of the great things about America, separation of church and state. Like, it's just not part of it. Whatever you want. You want the call to prayer?
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Good. Like, I resented it when I was in Jerusalem for a week, when I was making the movie Religious. And you hear the call to prayer five times a day in Jerusalem. This is the Jewish capital? And I have to hear the Muslim? Yeah. No. I mean, I don't want to hear anybody's prayer. I don't want to do something five times a day.
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That's what I do five times a day. Hopefully not in this chair. And it reminded me. I'd be like, oh yeah, oh yeah.
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I think. That's going to be tougher now that AI and, you know, robots are coming along. I mean, I just don't see, like, people being big into God when, like, you got the robot there. You know, I mean, they say that's, like, only maybe five years away. Just like we've seen it in a million movies. Hello. What can I do for you? You know, people will have their, like, fucking robots around.
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I just... I don't know. It just seems that they can't really exist in the same universe. I mean, either man could do that, and that is God. I mean, or there is some... It just, you know... But maybe I'm wrong. I mean, like... Certainly people have used cell phones for terrorist attacks to enforce a seventh century view of the world. They use 21st century technology. So you're right.
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People can put their mind in two different places and not be the least bothered by it.
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Can I tell you my London story? Please. Okay, so last time I was there was 2015. I was on a vacation. I actually was touring Europe. I played five different European capitals that speak English. So in London, I was with a brilliant recording artist who recorded that day, and the guy in the studio said, you know where you've got to have dinner?
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And of course, because the hip music crowd wants the place that's most outre, It was in a neighborhood that I was way, I guess, East London, maybe it was, whatever it was. I remember we got there, and I was traveling. This is 2015, right after the attack.
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I mean, if you asked me a year ago, two years ago, I mean, I'm sorry, but my feelings just get worse because he just gets worse. The idea of going through the government and making it more efficient, I endorsed that when it was announced. And then the way they did it was horrendous and gleeful, gleeful in their sadism about, hey, government workers, you're fired.
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Yes, correct. I mean, there were two attacks in Paris. I mean, Europe was on edge, as was I, traveling there. So I had my security person plus two Israeli bodyguards. Okay, so we go to this neighborhood and we're walking around looking for this restaurant. And it's like, it's not like a, not what we call five star.
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You know, it's like authentic, that kind of shit, which I'm like too old for to begin with. And I'm looking at like, there was some hard looks on the street. That was all I'm going to say from people. I mean, it was a completely seemed to be shall we say, West Asian neighborhood. I don't know.
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And I had just seen a 60 Minutes report about no-go zones, as some people call them and other people say they don't exist. Well, in the 60 Minutes report, there are Muslim men who are screaming at a woman wearing a miniskirt. And she's saying, this is England, to your point about this. But not in that neighborhood, it's not.
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And I remember we were walking along, and before we ever got to the restaurant, I remember vividly one of the Israeli bodyguards saying to me the exact words, we've got to get up out of here right now. They just felt unsafe here. And, you know, that's what we did. But I hear the food was fantastic at this place. I mean, I don't want to shit on it.
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This is the difference between your country and mine. In my country, Muslims have assimilated well. I don't think a third of American Muslims want Sharia law.
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They may have heard the word and maybe don't even know, and they would just reflexively, because this is the kind of bullshit I get for speaking honestly about this issue, they might reflexively go, yeah, Sharia law, but trust me, you want to live the American life that you're living. All these Americans who defend the, yeah, you would not want to live the life that you are supposedly defending.
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You like it here for good reason. That's why you or your parents or their grandparents came here, because you wanted to get away from that bullshit. And Sharia law, yeah, you're not going to want to live where homosexuality is illegal, sometimes punishable by death. You're not going to be able to wear that bikini. I know that.
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And you're not going to have another religion or even be able to consider it. That would be blasphemy. Mm-hmm. And adultery, yeah, that's a capital pun. You know, it's like, come on.
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Oh, please, there's plenty of people here who don't work. I promise you it. There are plenty of plots. You're starting to sound like a conservative. There's a lot of people on this.
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Well, there are a lot of, I was, you know, asking today in a meeting about, I don't know why this came up, but somebody was telling me about like seven, something like seven million young men, like 18 to 30 maybe, I don't know, something like that, who like pandemic, okay, that would like never like went back into the workforce, even though there were jobs open.
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Do something decent with your life. What the fuck way is this done? You don't have to be a liberal or anything to just be recoiled at that. And that he turned into a Twitter, a place with free speech. Yes, I'm a free speech guy up and down the line, but I didn't think that the head guy would be like retweeting the worst tweets. Of the tweets. That's crazy.
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Like, there's just a lot of people who, like, how do you live? I just, that's the one question I want to ask. How do you live? You don't seem to have any sort of actual job, not just men, certainly women, too, especially out here. Like, how do you live? How do you get your money?
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I feel like if I had truth serum, I could get to any human being's core in three questions, but they had to take the truth serum.
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Well, that's where it gets so naughty and so funny because, yes, there is that element. I mean, it works both ways. I mean, on the one hand, you'd think they would be against the guy who put the Muslim ban on. But it wasn't a Muslim ban. It was... It was something else that it was spun that way. Okay, it was spun that way and it was sort of that way from certain countries.
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I mean, it was assuming everyone in Yemen is a Houthi, you know, bent on killing us. They're not, but, you know, was it the... Look, each side bends too far...
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one way the the democrats have been too far in everybody's really a good person and they deserve to live in america and that's ridiculous yeah and the conservatives go too far which in in the direction of just take him off the street i don't have any evidence he's in a gang but you know what you got to break a few eggs and like could we ever land in the middle no that's my big issue yeah we never land in the middle yeah
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It just drives me insane. But I feel like that's my audience. That's my contingent. And I feel like you're that guy, too. I feel like you have a big following now because there is a hunger for a sort of a, well, these guys are not really conservatives. I mean, look at them. They're kind of hip. You know, like... But they just won't get on the crazy train to Woketown.
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And I feel like that's your lane now too.
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But your country, I mean, has these kind of issues that my country just does not deal with. I mean, the one about the... raping of children, I mean like gangs, who preyed on young girls, girls always from like unfortunate homes where they needed a role model, they needed a father, they needed money. And these were all like Pakistani or Indian guys.
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And this is like in the Midlands, the middle of England?
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Like, yes, the Supreme Court said Nazis could march in Skokie, Illinois, a town full of Holocaust survivors. I mean, that's the bar that we have in this country for how much we love free speech. Okay, so are there going to be some Nazis if you really have a free speech channel? Yes, there are. But you don't have to retweet them. Was he retweeting Nazis? Well, I mean...
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What I read about it is that the press downplayed it, as did the officials looking into it, because they did not want to be charged with racism.
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So in other words, in the service of not being called a racist... You did something that was so immoral. And this went on for like 20 years, right? More, yeah.
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But do you blame the media for not making this more... I mean, here in America, this got on people's radar because Musk started tweeting about it.
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I mean, I look into it. It's not like the New York Times didn't cover it, but I would say this. If the New York Times had wanted... to put this on everybody's radar, they could have. They covered it, they didn't ignore it, but to me it was as big, it's what do you choose to put on the front page? That's your choice. That's an editor's choice. When it was the Catholic Church molesting boys,
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And I was a young Catholic boy, and I was not molested. And I'm a little insulted. No. But it's not maybe quite as widespread as that. But it's kind of on that level. It's systemic. And it has to do with the sacred cows that we dare not say the Catholic Church is actually what it is. And look, I love it.
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You know what, I don't read it closely, but I'm getting this from what other people say. And I don't know if it's like specific. Look, he did that salute, which I don't think he meant it. I don't think he was like saying, I'm a Nazi. It's just when you're that close to the fire, you know. Do you think it was like a troll salute? Or do you think it was not actually a salute?
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You can just tell when they don't want to make it a story because it just doesn't feed their narrative. Exactly. Their narrative is multiculturalism. Their narrative, and they're going to stick to their story, is that cultures are different, but they're all alike, really. No, they're different and they're sometimes not alike. Theocracy is not just different than democracy, it's worse.
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There's like, I don't know how many countries, five, 10, I don't know, with the word Islam in the title of the country, it would be like the Christian, United States of America, which, look, there's people in this country who would love to see that. And not just a few of them. And they're in Congress. And it could happen. But it hasn't yet. But they're there.
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I mean, your thing before when you said, They raped and murdered these girls and pimped them out because they were, what's the word that means not Islamic? Kafar. Kafar. Okay, for anyone who doesn't understand what this debate is really about, it was never about race, so don't call us racists. People are, religions cross races. Lots of white people are Islamic. It's not a race. It's a religion.
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It's a different thing. And a religion is just an opinion. And it's about ideas. And ideas matter. And when the idea is that, A, women are second-class citizens to begin with. And please don't even pretend to tell me that that's not a pervasive feeling throughout the Islamic world. It's explicit in the Quran. Women are not equal like they are in the West. Shut the fuck up.
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And two, this thing about not Islamic. Like if you're not part of Islam, are you really a human being? You know, it's not like there aren't Christians who are like super, but Christianity, I'm sorry, is different. It's more that, you know, hate the sinner, love, hate the sin, love the sinner, and like we'll convert you. And Islam is more like, no, this is the way it is.
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This is the superior religion. You either get that or you don't. I hope you get it, because if you don't, I have no sympathy for you. You're not really part of what we're doing here on Earth. And that's not a good attitude. Ideas do matter, especially in this.
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I think it was a total accident. I just think he's an excitable guy. And a bit on the spectrum. And, you know, if you get excited, you might go, oh, it might look like a... Yeah, I don't think he was giving a Nazi salute any more than I think Alec Baldwin tried to murder the cinematographer. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, like that smelly one you're smoking. Is this going to put you off?
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The answer to this is moderate Muslims... because I hear this all the time from people, Bill, the way you talk, you know, they're moderate Muslims. Yes, I do. I'm very aware. But you know where moderate Muslims live? Here in Canada. They live in the West. Doesn't that tell you something? You can't be a moderate Muslim in most Muslim countries in the world. That's a problem. London...
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has a moderate muslim mayor that's what we need more in the future the your mayor still the mayor right yes okay he's he's like i don't want women to cover their faces that's the message he can only deliver to other muslims they have to be brought i think into that way of thinking
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Even ostracized from American liberals. Liberals.
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This is the United Arab Emirates. Exactly. That's Dubai.
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Abu Dhabi, Dubai. Exactly. These are the names people know and people go to and see Instagram pictures from. Instagram, that will be the key. The whole fucking Muslim world is Instagrammable and not just Dubai. Marrakesh. Do they do that for Marrakesh?
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When you can wear a sundress wherever you want in the Muslim world, I'll shut up about it.
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Dude, there was a woman once who sued because she wanted to have a Muslim woman in America, wanted to have her driver's license picture with the full face covering it. Fuck you. Shit, you're not.
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Jesus Christ. Rock star. Great looking. He works at a food bank. This is a fucking Lifetime movie waiting to happen.
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Yeah, that would be sweet if we could forget that so many women in the world, if you're looking for a cause, kids, is that they can't even show themselves smiling because their face is covered. I dated a woman once. I had one date in a niqab. And I remember I got home, my friend said, how'd it go? He said, how'd it go? I said, she had great eyes. I just made that up. I did not have such a date.
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Don't sue me. I'm always afraid of being sued.
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Well, you know, Ray Charles, Blind. You're familiar? Very familiar. What do you think of Ray Charles? I love Ray Charles. Yeah. Okay. So good. Well, Ray, blind, he would squeeze their wrist. He felt he could tell if she was hot by the wrist, like a thin wrist. I have to say, I saw that in the Jamie Foxx movie from 2005. Ever since then, I can't get out of my mind. He's not wrong.
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I've got to say, I've put this to the test for 20 years.
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That's what I should know. So tell me about the neighborhood of London you live in, because I'm fascinated by London. I've read it's the most expensive city in the world. Yep. It's certainly... I mean, part of it is called, like, what's where all the Russians live? Like, something grad? Yeah, Knox Bridge or... Like, London grad? Something like... I've heard something like that.
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Because it's a city where, like... people like Russian oligarchs can go and live the high life and park their money and not be living in a fucking... The oligarchs can't since the Ukraine war started. Really?
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It's very similar to New York. Yeah. Of course. It's the exact same story. You can't live in Manhattan or in L.A., Yeah. People, you know, the cops live in Simi Valley. It's a long way out there. Yeah. So you live out there?
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Like every other person. Exactly. Join the queue. I'll do it with you. How about that?
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We'll get two other guys. Yeah, who can we... I'll be Ringo. You can be Paul. You're the cute one. Oh, thank you. And we'll get some spiritual person.
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You know, to be George. Yeah, we need a spiritual person. Yeah.
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I mean, I mean... Kanye's also been there. I loved him both. Oh, really? I loved both nights. That doesn't mean we couldn't even air the Kanye one. Really? Oh, no. They would have canceled me. What did he say? Well, it's usual. I mean, I thought I could talk him out of anti-Semitism. I feel like I did, and then he would like fall back into it. I just don't think this is a guy who –
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He's perceiving truth on a different level. It would be the most charitable way to say it. And I don't want to contribute to anti-Semitism. He just crosses a line for me.
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I loved Russell Brand's brilliant conversationalist. Did I love the episode? I did. Once again, keep two thoughts in your mind at the same time. I loved the episode and I don't love the accusations about him. I mean, all these things, I always say, if you weren't there, just don't pretend you know. You don't know. No one knows unless there's a film of it, okay?
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I mean, there's no excuse for vandalism or looting.
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I know Puff Daddy beat the shit out of Cassie because I saw it on video. Oh, yeah. That's different than I know. You don't know shit. But... Do I get the right to, you know, form an opinion about what I think is likely? Generally, I go with, you know, if 20 people say it, it's a lot of smoke for being no fire at all. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot.
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Again, I say we can understand it because of our history and with Elon and that stuff. Can I understand how a government worker might be so infuriated that they key a Tesla? I totally can. I also say we have to be a nation of laws and people living by laws, so you can't
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Yeah. Is what you're asking. That's a big word on the left. Yeah, quite. Platform, which means let someone speak who you don't agree with automatically, because that's not what we do here at MSNBC. So yes, I'm a big platformer. I love to rehabilitate people. I love to have people on. I had Armie Hammer here. I think I helped him a lot. Kathy Griffin.
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People who, like, they've cast out from the Garden of Eden. But I would like to say, oh, let's take a look. Roseanne, let's take another look at this. You know, yes, should we judge everyone by their worst moment? Maybe let's not.
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Maybe let's not do it that way. But there are people, like I just did not want to contribute to what Kanye's putting out there. It's already way too mainstreamed. I mean, please, he's all over the media. The fact that they report on it like he's some sort of scamp Oh, Kanye, you with your hate the Jews, I love Hitler thing. Is it terrible? You're crazy. You're a crazy guy. He's a crazy guy.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
He's like Charlie Sheen. Lots of people are just crazy. And no, that's way worse than anything I've ever done, I think.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
No, it's sort of the way You don't hold it against the child. No offense to you, Kanye, but, you know, Richard Pryor used to have that bit, when a kid says you're ugly, you're ugly. You know, and like, you don't hold it against the child for saying, Mommy...
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
that man's ugly yeah because it yeah i mean that's not the greatest defense i'd like to have in my life it's like hey i'm childlike but um yeah he's got a combination of just a screw loose plus celebrity privilege i don't think people really understand what is celebrity privilege you're a rock star you're asking me that but when you say what do you mean
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
What I mean is that of all the levels of show business, the very top of where people lose their shit is music. Your business, sir.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
It just is. It is, yeah. Thank you. Movie stars can be close, but not quite. Comedians, it's just getting sad after this. Okay. You know, newsmen, I mean, you know, I once saw, never mind, I can't say that. Let's just say, I once saw a 60 Minutes correspondent trying to get laid, and I've never been sadder in my life.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
sanction it right you can understand it but not condone it either way uh and the problem is that you know you it starts with setting a tesla on fire and then they're gonna go well if they do that you know we can attack a drag queen story hour you know and that's how the civil war starts well i think it might even be worse than that because in america people carry guns so now if you drive a tesla
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
But okay, so musicians, like rock stars, it's just like, for whatever, we all love music more than almost anything, a lot of people. And even if you don't have anything going else in your life, it's great to have your music. It's just way up there. So people, musicians, I've learned this from certainly personal experience with ones I know and just reading about them,
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
There's just a level of being able to live in a bubble above reality that will not affect you. You are, here is the world and you're in a glass bottom boat and you can see the sharks and the craziness, but it just, it's like, oh, there's a shark, but yeah, but it can't get you. You're in a glass bottom boat. That's Kanye. It's like, I can say I love Hitler and
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
And yeah, I mean, will the sharks be trying to get in? They try to get in. They just can't. Because I'm on this, and music puts you on that level. It makes you, it deifies. It strains that. It is, right?
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
He actually did. That was boring. He doesn't even smoke anymore. Oh, really? Yeah, I think that's... But anyway, every day he's playing with the house money.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Okay, for those who don't remember, Trump had a rally, a campaign. He was running for president at Madison Square Garden, I think.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
A few months before the election, and all the big... as I recall, conservative stars were there. It wasn't quite like CPAC. Do you know what CPAC is?
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
It is. I think it's Conservative Political Action Committee, but it's the big conservative event of the year. Everybody, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Bulbard, it's a virtual Woodstock for the mentally impaired. Okay.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
And they have, you know, every conservative, it's like four days, and they flesh out the conservative agenda and then break down into smaller groups to have gay sex, as I understand it. It's not quite like that, what we're talking about. But it was Madison Square Garden, which, now, some people tried to make an issue that, oh, there was a Hitler, pro-Hitler rally in the 30s.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Yeah, and a million basketball games in between, okay? You could just as well say they had it in a place where Bernard King, like, scored 30 points a night. Shut the fuck up with that bullshit. But, okay, so Tony Hinscliffe is this guy who, like, he was the comic who opened for the whole thing. And he did tell that joke about, what's the joke about Puerto Rico?
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Something like... Being it's a garbage in the... Something garbage in Puerto Rico. It was not... It was funny, but wrong, but I don't give a fuck. Because, you know, wrong, I'm sorry, life's too short. Unless someone's actually literally hurt by it, I just can't. So what about Tony Hinch?
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
That's so brilliant. Yes. Vice signaling. You've got to copyright that. That's so exactly on the money.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You know what it reminds me of is Howard Stern in the 90s. Do you know Howard Stern? Okay. You know, the king of all media. And I... friends with him, hopefully still. We've had ups and downs, but I do love Howard, and I'm a great admirer of all his achievements and what he actually does and You know, I can listen to him like I can listen to a few people, just kind of on end.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
He's just an interesting, charismatic guy, even if it's just his voice. But, like, oh, shit. But he would do crazy things, right? He would get, like, girls riding a rodeo on a dildo or something like that. No, what he would do was like what you're just saying about the disabled. Right. Like he did crazy things. He made me do a version of Politically Incorrect on his show.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
But instead of, of course, Politically Incorrect was a show with four guests, but they were purposely kind of mismatched. The intellectual, the politician, the idiot comedian, you know, this kind of stuff. Okay. So he made me do one once with, like, his version of Politically Incorrect, which was so much more outrageous. I could never have done it on ABC.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
But in his version, it was a Klansman, a retarded person. And I can't deny the genius of them coming up with that parody of my show. It was taking my show and, like, going to a level that... And, you know, like... In my darkest moments, am I like, hmm, maybe I really should have done that show? No. I would not want a Klansman and a retarded person on my real show, but for his show.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
And it sounds like that's what Tony is doing.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
No, it goes way... I mean, politically incorrect. That giant sign behind you, that is from... The fact that in 1993, when that show started, the term politically correct was around, but not incorrect. It was a way of saying, here, this movement that has started of political correctness, I'm not with it. Right, okay. I'm not with it. But that movement was in the 80s, right? Not 80s.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Then you've got a whole other... I had a Tesla up until a couple of years ago. I had nothing to do with the controversy. It was well before that, but... I'm sure glad I made the switch. The only reason I made the switch is because Mercedes made an electric car that was similar to the Tesla but twice as much money. And you could see why it was twice as much. The Tesla is a very, very good car.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
I would say it began in the early 90s. Early 90s. Yes. That's when you start to see kids who get trophies just for participating. A kind of a victim culture is what you see. Everything that used to be a sin is now a disease. I remember having bits about that. Actually, you're right. That was in the 80s. So it did start in the 80s.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Correct, yes. Yeah, okay. Yes, and I've heard people talk about the success of it because when you listened to it, you were in your car on your way to work. And so you were in this safe space, just you in your car with the windows rolled up. And you could laugh at this stuff that you couldn't and weren't allowed to at home with your wife. and at the office with your coworkers.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
But when Howard said retarded and Klansman, I think it was a retarded person, a Klansman, a prostitute. Wow. That's full house. I think. I'm remembering this from years ago, but it was something like that. And, you know, I mean, I did have to tip my hat to kind of the genius of it. At the time, did it feel great? No, but I went with it. Oh, you weren't enjoying it? I did, because you know what?
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
I can play that game. I love playing the straight man. All I had to do was get out of the way, which I know how to do. I just recently did it with Dana Carvey was on my show a couple of weeks ago. Martin Short was on my show last year doing his Jiminy Glick character. Just... I love doing that. I love doing that one.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
It's one of those crazy, out of the box, not like me, just crazy wild energy comics. That's not my game. That's not my lane. But love to let them just do their shit and let me just enable you. I feel so good about that.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Yeah. Well, I don't know. I mean, you try it. And the fact that we can't is so gay. Yeah.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
It's like crowdsourced. You know what? The crowd decided that gay has this other meaning. Yes, we don't mean just strictly homosexuality. It just has this other meaning of like, I'm sorry that it's connected to gay because it shouldn't be. Yeah. But it just does.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
What gives me hope is that they never got rid of me. Fuck Keltonian. I don't know what the fuck he's doing. It sounds like he's pandering to one side. I'm doing something much more difficult, which is not pandering to either side. I mean, we're not going to talk about the Trump dinner, but I'll just tell you one thing. You'll hear Friday, but now it's already Sunday.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
It's so hard to keep this in my mind. But there was a moment where he said to me, a lot of people told me that they liked that we're having this dinner, but not all. And I said to him, same. A lot of people told me they really liked I'm doing this, but not all. And we kind of agreed that the people who don't even want us to talk, we don't like you. Yeah. We're going to talk.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
I have no complaints about it. It was nice. I mean, I have complaints about all cars these days because they're just all too complicated and too much of a computer. And there's too many things that are nagging me and demanding I do this and do that and stupid shit for safety that makes it less safe.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
I know that bothers some people. And I don't think those people are being practical. And I don't think it's good for your psychic health. So you're leading by example. I'm just going to talk to everybody. I just don't think there's any other alternative, especially since the left has no power. It's one thing to play hardball when you've got some marbles. You don't have anything.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You lost everything by being too woke. Sorry, but that's what it was. And now just fucking play the hand you're dealt. You know, and that doesn't mean you're surrendering or anything, but I think you're on my page with that.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You've got to get away from the siloed media landscape. And I see more Gavin Newsom. Our governor here has a new podcast. He had Bannon on. And he said, I have Bannon on Friday.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Yeah. This is just coincidence. We didn't book him because this was my day back from the White House dinner. It just happened that way. But, yeah. But Gavin Newsom, our governor, said he's already done it, started a podcast. But he said, he quoted...
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
me said you know i want or cited me said we we want that kind of show where we talk to other people and i don't know other you know what is your other alternative to that yeah you know so anyway i'm glad your voice is out there and um when you get back here a lot i come here four maybe four times a year call me when you do absolutely
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Like, you know, God forbid you turn on the GPS in this car and it's just your screen is showing you the... Why are you showing me the intersection that is right in front of my fucking windscreen, as you British would say? Thank you. It's just crazy. But, okay, they're both very similar. But, yes, the Mercedes is more luxurious. And they just took it up a notch. And I was like, well...
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
I'm a rich motherfucker. What am I doing in this $80,000 Tesla when I can be in a $140,000 Mercedes-Benz? I'm not some douchebag in a million-dollar Lamborghini. It's just a good car. But I'm glad I don't have a Tesla these days.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Yeah, and when did Germans like a Mercedes-Benz ever have anything to do with Nazis? LAUGHTER
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Yeah, Adidas, yeah. Hugo Boss, I think, made the uniforms, and I got to give it up. They were awesome. Nazi uniforms.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Neither one of us has any place in our minds for people who can't see keeping two thoughts in your mind at the same time. Yes, fascism is bad and the architecture was good.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You do, exactly. I feel the same way. Isn't that a shame? And it bugs me. It bugs me. Do you think we're coming out of that now? We are, but we'll never be fully out of it. there will always be the people in the rear guard, just like there are people who are still wearing masks. You know, once you start something,
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You get a certain amount of cult followers for anything, and then the true believers never die. I mean, a lot of people would say right now the Democratic Party is still in that mode, which is going to render them possibly an irrelevant party if they don't change. What would you like to see from the Democrats going forward? Much more centrism, much more get rid of the woke baggage.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
You know, old school liberal is what I usually describe myself as. But that's very often the opposite of woke. Woke would like people to believe that there's some sort of an extension of liberalism, but they're not. They're usually something that's quite opposite. Liberalism was we should have a colorblind society and not see race at all. That's not what the woke believe. They're the opposite.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Let's put race at the front of everything.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
Well, you know, now we're talking about words that have when everyone hears these words, they, in their minds, have their own definition. That's the problem. Right, quite. You know, woke, I talked about this with John McWhorter on my show a couple weeks ago. He's a brilliant linguist, and I was saying, he's got a great book now about pronouns, because they're so in the news.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
But, you know, woke is, I was saying, language is something you cannot control. Yeah. It's a living, breathing thing. The words change and the meanings change and you cannot do a thing about it. It's literally crowdsourced. And the crowd changed the meaning of the word woke. It was originally something good, being alert to injustice.
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Winston Marshall | Club Random
And it still has that meaning, but I'm sorry, it became the watchword for every kind of excessive woke bullshit thing. Like, you know, let's have penises in the women's swimming pool. Yeah, yeah. That penis is in the women's locker room. Or let's cut off the genitalia of children. Yes, that kind of stuff. And, you know, it's not my fault that that happened.