William Happer

It wasn't there at all.

But you couldn't get anyone to support you unless you believed in phlogiston.

So I call this phlogiston era of climate science where phlogiston is CO2.

Well, I think stopping the funding for – this massive funding for climate would help.

Because it's certainly been driven within academia by the availability of funds.

If you're willing to support the narrative, you will be handsomely rewarded and you'll be elected to societies.

You'll win prizes.

And you'll be shunned again if you don't.

That's right.

So I think, for example, if some administration in Washington wants to slow this down and get some sanity –

they should cut the funding or they should at least open up the funding to alternate theories of what is controlling climate.

Because the theory that the control knob is CO2 doesn't work.

It's completely clear it doesn't work.

Well, you know, Dick would have made a lot more progress and his colleagues would have made a lot more progress if they hadn't been forced to deal with this CO2 cult.

And we might understand climate today without that.

But that's a Solway conference.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Well, Pierre might be there.

Well, it's happened many times in the past, Joe.