Will Chamberlain
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Great to be with you, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
For the recent weirdness, I agree. The government has somehow probably finagled his release from El Salvador in prison. And the reason I say that is Judge Zinnis had been very aggressive with the government about trying to locate this guy and very dismissive of the government's concerns.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So, for her to suddenly stop being so aggressive on that front and agree to a week-long stay, I don't see happening on her own accord. I don't see happening unless there is some sort of arrangement being made for this guy to, who knows, maybe be at the El Salvadoran embassy, maybe just be released from custody in El Salvador proper, but...
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
something that the plaintiffs would be okay with, because the other thing is that the plaintiffs agreed to this stay of discovery, and they'd also been extremely aggressive in trying to get these things done.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Well, I mean, I think the reasonable course here is to either with him still in El Salvador or when he's here, you should go to court and get that withholding of removal lifted. And you can do that honestly without him even being present because you don't even need new evidence.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
It's the simplest way to get him removed is to say that because the immigration judge in the Board of Immigration Appeals found that he was a member of MS-13, that he's stopped from challenging that going forward. And since the government declared MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization, it's just a straightforward legal conclusion that the guy is no longer eligible for withholding of removal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And so he has to go back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Correct. Yeah. I mean, and if you needed another argument, I don't think you would.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
But it's the argument you just talked about, the one about the fact that the Barrio 18 gang that supposedly is extorting his mother's pupusa shop well after its closure, that gang is no longer functional in El Salvador because Nayib Bukele has transformed El Salvador into one of the safest countries in the Western Hemisphere.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yeah, except that the Western Clique does actually operate in Maryland, and DOJ has routinely claimed that in any number of filings, plea agreements, indictments. I am unclear that the plaintiffs – this claim came from the underlying complaint just filed by one plaintiff's lawyer where he said that the DOJ has said – that they operate in New York, a place where Abrego Garcia has never lived.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
As far as I can tell, he basically just invented this out of thin air based on doing one quick search on the DOJ website for Western clique MS-13. And there's only one result that pops up, which is this double murder where a member of the Western clique was actually a victim of the double murder, but it has no analysis of where does the Western clique operate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And MS-13 cliques operate all around the country. They're I mean, they're generally it's part of the history of MS-13, as I've recently learned, is, you know, it's it started when a bunch of El Salvadoran gangbangers were deported back to El Salvador, I think, under the Reagan administration. And then they took over El Salvador largely.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And then they started sending that, you know, the cliques were actually named after streets in Los Angeles, but they ended up sending people all over the country. So, yeah, the Western clique operates in Maryland. DOJ has said that repeatedly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And it's honestly, if I were Judge Zinnis, I'd be really embarrassed and very angry at the plaintiff's lawyer because basically his complaint had to be put a blatant and obvious falsehood, in my opinion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Correct. And I think honestly, the most relevant piece of information, which again was omitted from all the public media reporting, was that the guy was arrested in the company of two other confirmed members of MS-13.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I mean, you know, when I go get coffee sometimes, I guess I get bored. But the concept, like that, that you ask a normal person on the street, well, what would be the most relevant evidence of this person being MS-13? I don't know, hanging out with MS-13 members.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And as a result, you know, you see this poll and it's totally a product of the plaintiff's lawyer and the media working together to just put out falsehoods and otherwise mislead both judges and the public. Uh, and it's pretty clear that the guy is NS 13 and, you know, oddly enough, I think ultimately it really shouldn't matter that much because he isn't a legal alien.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And he was, you know, he was crossed into the country in 2012, got detained in 2019, uh, and somehow still is here in 2025, I mean, it shouldn't matter, but in the sense that there's this massive PR campaign to try and get this guy back, well, yeah, he is actually an MS-13, and also he's a wife-beater, and I don't know why we are eager to return this guy to his family when he was beating his U.S.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
citizen wife, and people assume, well, the wife says she wants him back. It's like, well, I mean, is she afraid of what his colleagues might do to her? There's a whole bunch of interesting dynamics that aren't really being explored here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Correct. Yeah. I mean, I think Bill Shipley, who goes by Shipwreck Crew on Twitter, he had a number of really interesting points. That was a key one. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Right. Exactly. And I mean, you think you realize immigration judges probably handle. MS-13 issues and foreign gang issues far more often than a district court judge who is dealing with a wide, sprawling variety of cases, as opposed to an immigration judge who's just seeing deportation and removal in front of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So I think there's a big meta issue with regard to the lack of respect being accorded. to the immigration judge and the immigration courts here. I mean, if you read that district court opinion, it just completely dismisses the findings of the original immigration judge as being based on nothing, based on sparse evidence.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And she's doing this on, you know, in the posture of reviewing an injunction where she hasn't gotten any real factual record developed in front of her. She just is. I mean, she was just taking the word of the plaintiff's lawyer in the complaint, which was we discussed earlier, was really not a very credible person.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yeah, it seems like if they're asking him these questions, they're kind of wondering, like, do you know this person? Because they probably identified him as maybe an MS-13 gang member himself. Maybe they know. Maybe they don't. But the fact that he would renounce knowing people in photos when being asked by police is not proof that that is true. It's not proof that he doesn't know those people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
It's even more sketchy. Yeah, I'm not one to believe that gang members are particularly fulsome with police, especially ones that have a, you know, a gang motto of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. I think it actually might be see nothing, hear nothing, you know, might not quite be that, but it's something along those lines.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
No, it's not. And I think maybe, you know, this is where maybe you originally think, oh, she's covering for him. But I think there's you know, you can see her pause and think really hard for a second. And I think that's that's where, you know, my analysis or my theory is that's fear. And that's fear of saying the wrong thing. And what will what will happen to her if she does?
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I mean, if he is indeed an MS-13, MS-13 still operates in Maryland, and I'm sure they are not keen on people ratting out their members for even beating their wives. I don't assume they have some internal HR processes in MS-13 to deal with domestic abuse. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Correct. I mean, he's an illegal alien. Everybody admits he's an illegal alien. He shouldn't have been granted withholding and removal in the first place. You know, just the preposterousness of his story, the fact that he was originally found to be MS-13. But he doesn't just have a right to be here because he hasn't been formally convicted of a crime or formally convicted of being an MS-13.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
None of that matters. It's... The legal aliens don't have a right to be in the United States. I feel like, you know, part of the big red herring that comes from the left on immigration is the idea that it's like, well, was he convicted of a crime? Well, who cares? Ultimately, who cares? Yeah, just a question of priority. It's not a question of deportability.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I mean, only to immediately be whisked into a detention center so that further proceedings can be had on his removal. I mean, it's quite possible that they'll decide to, you know, because obviously Judge Zinnis wants him back. And we have all this, you know, shenanigans or secret events going on at the court, filings under seal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So I think in that event, in the event that he, you know, they've actually found a way to get him released from El Salvador, he'll set foot on American soil only to be whisked into detention.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So I think the key distinction here is between the Venezuelan Trend Aragua members and the Salvadorans like Abrego Garcia. So for the Salvadorans like Abrego Garcia, my understanding, based on having read a lot of briefing, is... those individuals are simply deported nationals returned to El Salvador in custody.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
There's not a continuing arrangement for our government to be paying for them to be held. There are El Salvadoran nationals who are illegal aliens. El Salvador has an obligation to take them in, and then what they do with them is within the discretion of the Salvadoran government and the Salvadoran people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
As for Trendaragua, the problem there is that the Venezuelan government has refused repatriation flights. They'd refused to take these people back. And so that creates a problem because then you have to find a third country to take them. And it's pretty challenging to find a third country willing to take hardened gangsters who, you know, took over an apartment complex in Colorado.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So the I see the the. The fact that they're in El Salvador and Seacott as sort of this temporary place where they're going to be until Venezuela agrees to own up to their responsibility and take back their nationals who are in our country illegally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yeah. And maybe not. Maybe because there's so much American interest in this, he'll be held in a nicer prison because he wants to keep Chris Van Hollen and all the other goofballs in the Democrat House caucus happy. OK, but it's I think it's just a different way to look at the problem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Like, you know, there's just this default assumption that Abrego Garcia and other Salvadorans were sent there and are and are being held at the U.S. government's request. It's like, no, no, no, they're Salvadorans. This is where they go.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
They and and you if you're upset with Bukele's policy, then then take it up with the El Salvadorans, hire some El Salvadoran lawyers and try and get them off there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Well, I think what's going to happen is they're going to have to lift this administrative stay if they want to ever preserve any legitimacy they have. And it's not even – the substance aside, they didn't have jurisdiction because there was no lower court ruling to review jurisdiction. The Supreme Court is a court of review, not first view.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And the All Writs Act, which is the basis on which they exercise, they tried to give this injunction, it only allows you to issue writs in aid of your underlying jurisdiction. If there was never a lower court opinion, then what's going to the Supreme Court is so-called original jurisdiction.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And we know if you're a lawyer and you remember your con law, that's for like when a state is litigating against another state, the Supreme Court hears the case in the first instance. But that's it. So, I mean, it's a brazen error procedurally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
And, you know, all this talk, I mean, my basic understanding of what actually happened here is that the ACLU spazzed out and then the Supreme Court took them at their word. And the ACLU did all sorts of crazy litigation stuff. Like they went to the district court, told them they had 42 minutes to get their opinion out before we go to the appellate court and treat it as a constructive denial. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
The district court didn't rule. It only had 40 minutes. They went to the appellate court, did the same thing, and went to the Supreme Court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yeah. And I'm also at the point where I just simply don't believe what the lawyers for immigrant, you know, the plaintiffs in these cases say anymore. Like I have a default skepticism of what they say. So, you know, maybe they say, oh, this is why the bus is turned around.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I would point out that, well, you seem to know who your plaintiffs were and who got these notices, which means they got notice and had time to file the habeas petition, which is exactly what the Supreme Court demanded in the opinion that came out a couple of weeks ago.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Yeah, I think so. Because I don't think that The judiciary is competent to determine when there has been a predatory incursion or a military invasion. They have no intelligence services. They have no military. They don't know what the president knows. So in every other context where that's the case, the amount of deference given to the executive is massive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
So, you know, there was like a district judge in Colorado who just enjoined this whole thing herself on the basis of saying, well, this doesn't seem like a predatory incursion to me. It's like, well, who are you and what do you know? I mean, this is not it's not your call.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Right. I think the only hiccup here is that essentially I think the Supreme Court will ultimately say that they need a chance to prove they're not Trendyaragla. They have a chance to prove that they're not in the class of alien enemies that are covered by the proclamation. And who knows what that looks like?
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I think my guess is it'll be more efficient than the normal process, which allows you to get access to, you know, argue for withholding of removal, argue that you shouldn't be sent to the country based on the Convention Against Torture. But who knows? It might actually be less efficient. It's possible. I think that's what the ACLU is ultimately fighting for.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
They're trying to... I don't think they think they can stop the use of the Alien Enemies Act, but if they can gum it up enough to make it, you know, as slow or only slightly more efficient than normal immigration processes, then maybe the administration stops trying to use the alien enemies act.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I like his chances. I think there's been a cultural shift also at the Supreme Court. You know, we have the hearings about the craziness going on in Montgomery County where, you know, they're trying to force kids to listen to, you know, discussions of bondage or something and telling them it's like, well, you can just unenroll in the school if you don't like it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
But so, and I, you know, the questions from people like Gorsuch made clear they didn't think very much of those arguments. I think in general, they're going to look at this and say, especially when it comes to military readiness, you know, I mean, I have ADD, for example, and if I were young enough to join the military, that would be sufficient to block me from joining up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
If ADD is a sufficient disorder to constitute that, I don't know how believing, you know, that you were born into the wrong gender and that you need massive physical surgery to change yourself isn't also something that should bar you from military service.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
I mean, the lawfare against Trump is remarkably aggressive. There's a part of it that's a product of the fact that this Trump administration is much more aggressive than the first one. They're trying to push the limits a little more to see where their power lies. So you'd expect a few more injunctions. With that said...
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
The judiciary has reacted in an unbelievably aggressive manner, and the constitutional crisis is being created by the judiciary. I mean, just, you know, again, look at that Supreme Court ruling that just came out where they literally took a case without jurisdiction and issued an injunction on Good Friday evening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
They have an unbelievably quick trigger finger with the Trump administration, both district judges and apparently now the Supreme Court. And they got to get it together because, you know, they need to follow their own rules and their own laws if they're going to start accusing the administration of wild lawbreaking.
The Megyn Kelly Show
60 Minutes' Failures, Michelle Obama's New Complaints, and Abrego Garcia Truth, with Glenn Greenwald and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1056
Absolutely. Great to be with you, Megan.