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I mean, there was one time where I have no idea what happened, but somebody messed up something. He was so pissed and he says to him, if you do this again, I could hire somebody to get rid of you and he wouldn't even know where to find you. I was like, what a weird thing to say, somebody. And at the same time, it was like, this is what money does to you.

I mean, there was one time where I have no idea what happened, but somebody messed up something. He was so pissed and he says to him, if you do this again, I could hire somebody to get rid of you and he wouldn't even know where to find you. I was like, what a weird thing to say, somebody. And at the same time, it was like, this is what money does to you.

It's like, you know everything, you know everybody, and you think that you can just do anything.

It's like, you know everything, you know everybody, and you think that you can just do anything.

Anything's possible.

Anything's possible.

Well, why not? I mean, hip hop, The street culture is not just a good festive party culture, but there's also a dark side as well, streets. And there are a lot of grimy people out there who will do whatever for money. And that was always the case, even before he got the money. So that was always the case.

Well, why not? I mean, hip hop, The street culture is not just a good festive party culture, but there's also a dark side as well, streets. And there are a lot of grimy people out there who will do whatever for money. And that was always the case, even before he got the money. So that was always the case.

They don't want me to throw the parties no more. We ain't going to stop. We're going to keep on having fun, bringing people together from all walks of life. You're going to hear about my party. They're going to be shutting them down. They're going to probably be arresting me, doing all types of crazy things just because we want to have a good time.

They don't want me to throw the parties no more. We ain't going to stop. We're going to keep on having fun, bringing people together from all walks of life. You're going to hear about my party. They're going to be shutting them down. They're going to probably be arresting me, doing all types of crazy things just because we want to have a good time.

I heard somebody say Biggie's car had got shot at. And then when I went there to the car, opened up the door and he was hunched over.

I heard somebody say Biggie's car had got shot at. And then when I went there to the car, opened up the door and he was hunched over.

I would say young energy, lots of young energy, lots of young people, lots of great ideas, lots of excitement because a new label, new music, you know, the gangster rap was all over the place for a while. People wanted to party, have fun, hook up, do things with each other and, you know, after work, you know, build good memories. And so that's what Bad Boy represented, being authentic,

I would say young energy, lots of young energy, lots of young people, lots of great ideas, lots of excitement because a new label, new music, you know, the gangster rap was all over the place for a while. People wanted to party, have fun, hook up, do things with each other and, you know, after work, you know, build good memories. And so that's what Bad Boy represented, being authentic,

and just being yourself without a filter, and just have fun. We were all really young. I mean, I was 24 years old. But we had interns from college, high school. They would come in after work. They'd work in the mailroom. You know, they'd work in different departments.

and just being yourself without a filter, and just have fun. We were all really young. I mean, I was 24 years old. But we had interns from college, high school. They would come in after work. They'd work in the mailroom. You know, they'd work in different departments.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yes. Yes. There's a lot. Yeah. I mean, we had a lot of attractive interns in the office and you had a lot of, I was working there and you know, like I said, I mean, I didn't see anything personally, but you know, the water cooler stuff, you hear the stories, those things happen. And I don't think that's just bad boy. I think that happens across the industry in general.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yes. Yes. There's a lot. Yeah. I mean, we had a lot of attractive interns in the office and you had a lot of, I was working there and you know, like I said, I mean, I didn't see anything personally, but you know, the water cooler stuff, you hear the stories, those things happen. And I don't think that's just bad boy. I think that happens across the industry in general.

I think it was very common. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, even when we're doing videos, you would invite, you know, young women to the videos, to be in the videos, to have the youthful party, you know, vibe that you're looking for. I mean, Bad Boy was about having a party. It was about being young. having fun, you know, that's what it was about.

I think it was very common. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, even when we're doing videos, you would invite, you know, young women to the videos, to be in the videos, to have the youthful party, you know, vibe that you're looking for. I mean, Bad Boy was about having a party. It was about being young. having fun, you know, that's what it was about.

Back then, you don't see them as warning signs. You see it as, this is what people do, you know, in this business, right? But... I remember my first week working at Bad Boy as a paid employee. I was at the studio. And Puffy was there. And there was a girl there. They had met or whatever. I didn't think anything of it. My work was done. I was getting ready to go home for the night.

Back then, you don't see them as warning signs. You see it as, this is what people do, you know, in this business, right? But... I remember my first week working at Bad Boy as a paid employee. I was at the studio. And Puffy was there. And there was a girl there. They had met or whatever. I didn't think anything of it. My work was done. I was getting ready to go home for the night.

If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but, you know, you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio is the same as, like... ordering food to the studio.

If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but, you know, you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio is the same as, like... ordering food to the studio.

I was in my jacket. And I just opened the door. And he's in there, you know. having sex with this, with this girl. I don't know how old she was. I have no idea how old she was, but, you know, like I said, he was 24 at the time, you know, but was that a sign? At the time, I didn't think so.

I was in my jacket. And I just opened the door. And he's in there, you know. having sex with this, with this girl. I don't know how old she was. I have no idea how old she was, but, you know, like I said, he was 24 at the time, you know, but was that a sign? At the time, I didn't think so.

At the time, I was like, I thought I was getting fired because I just walked into my boss, you know, having sex with this girl. She was young, so, you know. So to see them in the room, you know, it's kind of like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

At the time, I was like, I thought I was getting fired because I just walked into my boss, you know, having sex with this girl. She was young, so, you know. So to see them in the room, you know, it's kind of like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that was the only one that I have seen. But yeah, they happened a lot in the studio. A lot of things happened in the studios after a certain time.

Yeah, that was the only one that I have seen. But yeah, they happened a lot in the studio. A lot of things happened in the studios after a certain time.

You know what? She was still quiet. Yeah.

You know what? She was still quiet. Yeah.

You know what? At the time, no. It didn't. But then again, you know, knowing what I know now, you know, there's a lot of speculation about what state she was in. You know? I mean, if you think about it, I mean... Usually both parties are very responsive during the act, so it's possible. It's possible.

You know what? At the time, no. It didn't. But then again, you know, knowing what I know now, you know, there's a lot of speculation about what state she was in. You know? I mean, if you think about it, I mean... Usually both parties are very responsive during the act, so it's possible. It's possible.

Yes.

Yes.

Well, if two people are having sex, you know, you hear a lot of noise. I didn't hear any noise. I thought the room was empty. So when I walk in, I'm surprised to see.

Well, if two people are having sex, you know, you hear a lot of noise. I didn't hear any noise. I thought the room was empty. So when I walk in, I'm surprised to see.

I still think it's a big leap to go from what happened that day to what's happening right now in the headlines. And again, I haven't spoken to him in 22 years, so I don't know you know, how he's evolved, per se. But I don't know, I guess I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, with all that money and everything that he's had over the years, you know, money does things to you.

I still think it's a big leap to go from what happened that day to what's happening right now in the headlines. And again, I haven't spoken to him in 22 years, so I don't know you know, how he's evolved, per se. But I don't know, I guess I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, with all that money and everything that he's had over the years, you know, money does things to you.

It wasn't uncommon to fly women in from around the country. Well, not around the country, but they could be like a two- or three-hour flight away to have sex with people in the studio.

It wasn't uncommon to fly women in from around the country. Well, not around the country, but they could be like a two- or three-hour flight away to have sex with people in the studio.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

A couple. Usually they had a specialty in a certain sexual... If they had a specialty in something, yeah, they would be flown in.

A couple. Usually they had a specialty in a certain sexual... If they had a specialty in something, yeah, they would be flown in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, to book a flight.

Well, to book a flight.

Yeah, and it's coming out of the budget. If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio It's the same as ordering food to the studio.

Yeah, and it's coming out of the budget. If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio It's the same as ordering food to the studio.

Yeah. It's just, yeah.

Yeah. It's just, yeah.

Oh, the amount of you? I mean, probably like thousands of dollars.

Oh, the amount of you? I mean, probably like thousands of dollars.

Travel.

Travel.

Puffy, even to this day, is the hardest working man that I've ever met. And it was very tiring for me to see him work so hard. And he always wanted people to match his energy, which is frustrating because he could come off a little prickly about it. But it's his company, so of course he's gonna work hard to build it into something.

Puffy, even to this day, is the hardest working man that I've ever met. And it was very tiring for me to see him work so hard. And he always wanted people to match his energy, which is frustrating because he could come off a little prickly about it. But it's his company, so of course he's gonna work hard to build it into something.

Yeah, he did change. And, you know, it's not surprising. I mean, the label started off very small. They recorded Ready to Die, I think in his grandmother's basement or something like that. And then that became a multi-platinum hit. We had a lot of multi-platinum hits. during that time and Puffy just renewed his deal with Arista. He got a big payout.

Yeah, he did change. And, you know, it's not surprising. I mean, the label started off very small. They recorded Ready to Die, I think in his grandmother's basement or something like that. And then that became a multi-platinum hit. We had a lot of multi-platinum hits. during that time and Puffy just renewed his deal with Arista. He got a big payout.

As the weeks went on, you know, we saw a different side. He liked to threaten people.

As the weeks went on, you know, we saw a different side. He liked to threaten people.

I mean, there was one time where I have no idea what happened, but somebody messed up something. He was so pissed and he says to him, if you do this again, I could hire somebody to get rid of you and he wouldn't even know where to find you. I was like, what a weird thing to say, somebody. And at the same time, it was like, this is what money does to you.

It's like, you know everything, you know everybody, and you think that you can just do anything.

Anything's possible.

Well, why not? I mean, hip hop, The street culture is not just a good festive party culture, but there's also a dark side as well, streets. And there are a lot of grimy people out there who will do whatever for money. And that was always the case, even before he got the money. So that was always the case.

They don't want me to throw the parties no more. We ain't going to stop. We're going to keep on having fun, bringing people together from all walks of life. You're going to hear about my party. They're going to be shutting them down. They're going to probably be arresting me, doing all types of crazy things just because we want to have a good time.

I heard somebody say Biggie's car had got shot at. And then when I went there to the car, opened up the door and he was hunched over.

I would say young energy, lots of young energy, lots of young people, lots of great ideas, lots of excitement because a new label, new music, you know, the gangster rap was all over the place for a while. People wanted to party, have fun, hook up, do things with each other and, you know, after work, you know, build good memories. And so that's what Bad Boy represented, being authentic,

and just being yourself without a filter, and just have fun. We were all really young. I mean, I was 24 years old. But we had interns from college, high school. They would come in after work. They'd work in the mailroom. You know, they'd work in different departments.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yes. Yes. There's a lot. Yeah. I mean, we had a lot of attractive interns in the office and you had a lot of, I was working there and you know, like I said, I mean, I didn't see anything personally, but you know, the water cooler stuff, you hear the stories, those things happen. And I don't think that's just bad boy. I think that happens across the industry in general.

I think it was very common. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, even when we're doing videos, you would invite, you know, young women to the videos, to be in the videos, to have the youthful party, you know, vibe that you're looking for. I mean, Bad Boy was about having a party. It was about being young. having fun, you know, that's what it was about.

Back then, you don't see them as warning signs. You see it as, this is what people do, you know, in this business, right? But... I remember my first week working at Bad Boy as a paid employee. I was at the studio. And Puffy was there. And there was a girl there. They had met or whatever. I didn't think anything of it. My work was done. I was getting ready to go home for the night.

If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but, you know, you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio is the same as, like... ordering food to the studio.

I was in my jacket. And I just opened the door. And he's in there, you know. having sex with this, with this girl. I don't know how old she was. I have no idea how old she was, but, you know, like I said, he was 24 at the time, you know, but was that a sign? At the time, I didn't think so.

At the time, I was like, I thought I was getting fired because I just walked into my boss, you know, having sex with this girl. She was young, so, you know. So to see them in the room, you know, it's kind of like, oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that was the only one that I have seen. But yeah, they happened a lot in the studio. A lot of things happened in the studios after a certain time.

You know what? She was still quiet. Yeah.

You know what? At the time, no. It didn't. But then again, you know, knowing what I know now, you know, there's a lot of speculation about what state she was in. You know? I mean, if you think about it, I mean... Usually both parties are very responsive during the act, so it's possible. It's possible.

Yes.

Well, if two people are having sex, you know, you hear a lot of noise. I didn't hear any noise. I thought the room was empty. So when I walk in, I'm surprised to see.

I still think it's a big leap to go from what happened that day to what's happening right now in the headlines. And again, I haven't spoken to him in 22 years, so I don't know you know, how he's evolved, per se. But I don't know, I guess I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, with all that money and everything that he's had over the years, you know, money does things to you.

It wasn't uncommon to fly women in from around the country. Well, not around the country, but they could be like a two- or three-hour flight away to have sex with people in the studio.

Mm-hmm.

A couple. Usually they had a specialty in a certain sexual... If they had a specialty in something, yeah, they would be flown in.

Yeah.

Well, to book a flight.

Yeah, and it's coming out of the budget. If you're in the studio and you're recording, this is going to sound horrible, but you pay for a flight for a woman to come into the studio It's the same as ordering food to the studio.

Yeah. It's just, yeah.

Oh, the amount of you? I mean, probably like thousands of dollars.

Travel.

Puffy, even to this day, is the hardest working man that I've ever met. And it was very tiring for me to see him work so hard. And he always wanted people to match his energy, which is frustrating because he could come off a little prickly about it. But it's his company, so of course he's gonna work hard to build it into something.

Yeah, he did change. And, you know, it's not surprising. I mean, the label started off very small. They recorded Ready to Die, I think in his grandmother's basement or something like that. And then that became a multi-platinum hit. We had a lot of multi-platinum hits. during that time and Puffy just renewed his deal with Arista. He got a big payout.

As the weeks went on, you know, we saw a different side. He liked to threaten people.

We were standing there, you know, serving, and when he walked in, when he drove in, he just started shooting everywhere. No particular person, just shooting. Just wanted to kill everybody, I guess. I don't know, he was mad. I feel...

We were standing there, you know, serving, and when he walked in, when he drove in, he just started shooting everywhere. No particular person, just shooting. Just wanted to kill everybody, I guess. I don't know, he was mad. I feel...

We were standing there, you know, serving, and when he walked in, when he drove in, he just started shooting everywhere. No particular person, just shooting. Just wanted to kill everybody, I guess. I don't know, he was mad. I feel...

Won't help you. Because your digestive enzymes destroy that therapeutic function. What we have to do is extract the micronutrients and get it into you with what we developed over the last several years called transdermal lotions. You know what a transdermal lotion is? You rub it on your skin, anywhere, it doesn't matter, on your body.

Won't help you. Because your digestive enzymes destroy that therapeutic function. What we have to do is extract the micronutrients and get it into you with what we developed over the last several years called transdermal lotions. You know what a transdermal lotion is? You rub it on your skin, anywhere, it doesn't matter, on your body.

So that's what we're busy now. That's what you're working on now. It's because you're curious.

So that's what we're busy now. That's what you're working on now. It's because you're curious.

Is that weird? Well, we're working down there. I mean, when you come next time, I'll take you down.

Is that weird? Well, we're working down there. I mean, when you come next time, I'll take you down.

Hi, I'll talk to you in a minute.

Hi, I'll talk to you in a minute.

You think about it and see what you want to do, okay? Okay, thank you very much. Take care.

You think about it and see what you want to do, okay? Okay, thank you very much. Take care.

You're here.

You're here.

Nothing to be nervous.

Nothing to be nervous.

We've seen it all, been there many times.

We've seen it all, been there many times.

Yes.

Yes.

Who are you testing? A father and one child? Or that's the normal?

Who are you testing? A father and one child? Or that's the normal?

And then... Pregnant, you want to make sure who the father of the four-year-old is.

And then... Pregnant, you want to make sure who the father of the four-year-old is.

Like, I thought it was pretty... I know, but it doesn't always work out that way.

Like, I thought it was pretty... I know, but it doesn't always work out that way.

No, no, of course you're not going to make him aware of you, because it may be for nothing. Get the answer, and then you'll decide what you want to do, if anything.

No, no, of course you're not going to make him aware of you, because it may be for nothing. Get the answer, and then you'll decide what you want to do, if anything.

We don't want him to know that he's being sampled for DNA purposes. Obviously, that's what you're telling me, right?

We don't want him to know that he's being sampled for DNA purposes. Obviously, that's what you're telling me, right?

Yes. Does he have a toothbrush?

Yes. Does he have a toothbrush?

So a toothbrush, assuming he's the only one using it probably, is a prime source of DNA.

So a toothbrush, assuming he's the only one using it probably, is a prime source of DNA.

That's easy. That's one way.

That's easy. That's one way.

The other way, a little more scientific, is say, you know, you have a son or a daughter who's before you're old.

The other way, a little more scientific, is say, you know, you have a son or a daughter who's before you're old.

Okay. I was at the doctor's office the other day with whatever your son's name is, and examined him, and you know, There's a possibility he might be allergic to gluten.

Okay. I was at the doctor's office the other day with whatever your son's name is, and examined him, and you know, There's a possibility he might be allergic to gluten.

And we even have a little kit made up that says gluten allergy test. It's the same swabs as there is for DNA, but they don't know that.

And we even have a little kit made up that says gluten allergy test. It's the same swabs as there is for DNA, but they don't know that.

No, you have to because people want confidentiality and privacy. They don't want to screw up their life for nothing just because you're paranoid, worried about something. You don't want to make scrambled eggs out of what's a smooth situation, but you want the answer.

No, you have to because people want confidentiality and privacy. They don't want to screw up their life for nothing just because you're paranoid, worried about something. You don't want to make scrambled eggs out of what's a smooth situation, but you want the answer.

You want the answer, and then you'll decide what to do or not do with that answer. You may throw it in the garbage and forget about it, or you may... Take another path.

You want the answer, and then you'll decide what to do or not do with that answer. You may throw it in the garbage and forget about it, or you may... Take another path.

You could have, but it would cost you a lot of money. And we used to do a lot of those tests. They're not that accurate because you're depending on... Not that accurate.

You could have, but it would cost you a lot of money. And we used to do a lot of those tests. They're not that accurate because you're depending on... Not that accurate.

because the test was not that accurate that we're leery of that test now. It's pretty good, but pretty good is not good enough. It's the collection of the samples, the cross-contamination possibilities, and there's a lot of other things, so it's a much more complex situation.

because the test was not that accurate that we're leery of that test now. It's pretty good, but pretty good is not good enough. It's the collection of the samples, the cross-contamination possibilities, and there's a lot of other things, so it's a much more complex situation.

And that has happened. I would test a white guy, and the baby came out black. What the hell's going on here? You know what I mean?

And that has happened. I would test a white guy, and the baby came out black. What the hell's going on here? You know what I mean?

Yeah, because there's a lot involved if it gets screwed up.

Yeah, because there's a lot involved if it gets screwed up.

Yeah, because... You're going to get an abortion, but what if it's the wrong guy name? You're aborting your child, you know, the wrong person.

Yeah, because... You're going to get an abortion, but what if it's the wrong guy name? You're aborting your child, you know, the wrong person.

Well, you can imagine everything happens in life.

Well, you can imagine everything happens in life.

Yeah, because you may have got the wrong answer or something. And listen, if we could only wind the clock back, we'd all be winding it back right now. But life doesn't work that way, does it?

Yeah, because you may have got the wrong answer or something. And listen, if we could only wind the clock back, we'd all be winding it back right now. But life doesn't work that way, does it?

Not so famous for dealing with a guy who said he was actually the illegitimate son of John Diefenmaker, the prime minister. Yeah, and they wrote it up in a magazine.

Not so famous for dealing with a guy who said he was actually the illegitimate son of John Diefenmaker, the prime minister. Yeah, and they wrote it up in a magazine.

Anthony Quinn. He was a great sculptor. He gave me the original sculpture. I bought it off him that he did for a movie called Zorba the Greek.

Anthony Quinn. He was a great sculptor. He gave me the original sculpture. I bought it off him that he did for a movie called Zorba the Greek.

This is a three-legged dog that the grill works here has. I always give him a couple cookies. Come here, Homer.

This is a three-legged dog that the grill works here has. I always give him a couple cookies. Come here, Homer.

Don't you know what that is? No, I don't. That's a 2,400-year-old slingshot from the battle where David slew Goliath.

Don't you know what that is? No, I don't. That's a 2,400-year-old slingshot from the battle where David slew Goliath.

Thanks to the voters.

Thanks to the voters.

Because I had certificates from the people that excavated the site and all that type of

Because I had certificates from the people that excavated the site and all that type of

I don't know if you've ever known anybody with dementia. But it's a very insidious, horrible disease. And it happens to a lot of people just as a result of the aging process. Polyphenols, which are micronutrients present in berries, fruits, this, that, you eat lots.

I don't know if you've ever known anybody with dementia. But it's a very insidious, horrible disease. And it happens to a lot of people just as a result of the aging process. Polyphenols, which are micronutrients present in berries, fruits, this, that, you eat lots.

I saw Kyle just throwing it in the trash outside.

I saw Kyle just throwing it in the trash outside.

Did you ever cast any suspicion or doubt suspicious of people in town or anything? No.

Did you ever cast any suspicion or doubt suspicious of people in town or anything? No.

And what did they tell you about the results of either of those polygraphs that you took, Sean?

And what did they tell you about the results of either of those polygraphs that you took, Sean?

It's about 60 kilometers downstream, I think.

It's about 60 kilometers downstream, I think.

For a brief moment in the year 2000, the city of Phoenix was on fire. You could see a glow in the sky. An arsonist was on the loose.

For a brief moment in the year 2000, the city of Phoenix was on fire. You could see a glow in the sky. An arsonist was on the loose.

The culprit will shock you.

The culprit will shock you.

From novel and Sony Music Entertainment, listen to The Arsonist Next Door. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to binge all episodes now or listen weekly wherever you get your podcasts.

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So do you think that there's a chance in this case still or what's your aim then?

So do you think that there's a chance in this case still or what's your aim then?

You think that she would have gotten into a stranger's car?

You think that she would have gotten into a stranger's car?

That kind of attention?

That kind of attention?

So, um, you think she got into a car and you think that it was the wrong car?

So, um, you think she got into a car and you think that it was the wrong car?

Nobody here today. Just this path next to the river.

Nobody here today. Just this path next to the river.

Did you ever receive any documents from the OPP about the case?

Did you ever receive any documents from the OPP about the case?

And since that time, we're now in 2011 here, what has the OPP done to your knowledge? How have they communicated to you?

And since that time, we're now in 2011 here, what has the OPP done to your knowledge? How have they communicated to you?

I'll get into telling you what I know to myself. I'm going to leave you with some today that you guys can read.

I'll get into telling you what I know to myself. I'm going to leave you with some today that you guys can read.

Listen to me very carefully. Right now, you're under arrest for the murder of Christine Herron because you told that police officer that you killed her.

Listen to me very carefully. Right now, you're under arrest for the murder of Christine Herron because you told that police officer that you killed her.

Did you know Christine? Did you kill Christine? Why did you confess to her murder?

Did you know Christine? Did you kill Christine? Why did you confess to her murder?

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For more CBC Podcasts, go to cbc.ca.

This is a CBC Podcast.

This is a CBC Podcast.

I'm just going to try something with that light behind me.

I'm just going to try something with that light behind me.

I love those glasses.

I love those glasses.

It says Grandma. No, it says Grandpa. It says Grandma. Grandpa. Well, thanks all. C-R-A-M-P-A. Grandpa. Uh-huh, it says Grandma.

It says Grandma. No, it says Grandpa. It says Grandma. Grandpa. Well, thanks all. C-R-A-M-P-A. Grandpa. Uh-huh, it says Grandma.

Who told you that? The police. The police.

Who told you that? The police. The police.