Tucker Carlson

So why wouldn't there be some convergence from either side, all sides?

Why wouldn't you have like a true let's just argue about what to do to help America party?

Isn't that inevitable?

And if they're willing to admit fault in public, in a sincere way, anyone who will do that is an ally of mine.

Whether they regard me as an ally is another question, but I regard anyone willing to do that as an ally, both for moral reasons, that's my religion, but also for practical reasons.

The only reason that we bombed, and effectively bombed, the nuclear sites in Iran is because no one ever acknowledged that Iraq was a mistake, Libya was a mistake, Afghanistan, the 20-year occupation, was a mistake.

having nothing to do with how we withdrew, we shouldn't have been there for 20 years.

It was all a mistake, and nobody ever admitted it, much less took responsibility, much less accepted punishment or sanction for it.

And if you don't do that, it doesn't get better.

It just gets worse.

You said a few minutes ago that you're proud to be Armenian, but that fundamentally you're American.

And that suggests to me that the idea of my group versus your group, zero-sum identity politics, you're rejecting that in favor of some more universalist connection to other people.

We're all kind of in this together.

One of the things that I disagree with Ben Shapiro most strongly on, and I just want to be clear, I don't hate Ben Shapiro at all, and we disagree, obviously, on the use of force, on Israel strongly, but that doesn't make me emotional.

Ben is looking at the world from a completely different perspective, which I reject, but I'm not mad about it.

What makes me mad...

is the way that he describes the United States as like this economic zone, totally divorced from the actual people who live there and their customs and their history and their instincts and their connections to each other and to regions, to physical reality.

He has no regard for that at all in the way that big companies have no regard for that at all, like shut up and freeze your eggs and get back to work.

And I feel like that's

Dehumanizing doesn't quite describe that attitude.