Trooper Paul

Trooper Proctor has definitely been on the spotlight in this case. He knew the Alpert family. There was some testimony. He basically said they were acquaintances, sort of having been in the same law enforcement community, that of course they knew each other, but they weren't really friendly.

Trooper Proctor has definitely been on the spotlight in this case. He knew the Alpert family. There was some testimony. He basically said they were acquaintances, sort of having been in the same law enforcement community, that of course they knew each other, but they weren't really friendly.

But then there was evidence and testimony that came out that Trooper Proctor's sister was actually very close with one of the Alpert wives, and that there was more of a personal connection than what Trooper Proctor had originally testified to.

But then there was evidence and testimony that came out that Trooper Proctor's sister was actually very close with one of the Alpert wives, and that there was more of a personal connection than what Trooper Proctor had originally testified to.

The theory from the defense around Trooper Proctor is that because of this personal relationship that he had with the Albert family and he knew it was their residence, that he was certainly a large part of planting physical evidence to make it seem like this crime occurred or that something happened outside of the home rather than taking the attention of the responding officers into the home.

The theory from the defense around Trooper Proctor is that because of this personal relationship that he had with the Albert family and he knew it was their residence, that he was certainly a large part of planting physical evidence to make it seem like this crime occurred or that something happened outside of the home rather than taking the attention of the responding officers into the home.

He came across on the witness stand as rather stiff,

He came across on the witness stand as rather stiff,

He lost a lot of ground with the jury, I think, during his cross-examination. Now, whether or not it's enough that the jury believes that he would be capable of planting all of this physical evidence and sort of being engaged in this very elaborate cover-up, that remains to be seen.

He lost a lot of ground with the jury, I think, during his cross-examination. Now, whether or not it's enough that the jury believes that he would be capable of planting all of this physical evidence and sort of being engaged in this very elaborate cover-up, that remains to be seen.

But he was definitely in the hot seat during his cross-examination and definitely took a lot of heat from the defense about the way he handled this investigation.

But he was definitely in the hot seat during his cross-examination and definitely took a lot of heat from the defense about the way he handled this investigation.

No, I did not extract those.

No, I did not extract those.

Yes, that's correct.

Yes, that's correct.

Well, I did throw the SIM card and the phone on the military base.

Well, I did throw the SIM card and the phone on the military base.

I mean, he was pretty banged up. He had... His eyes had swelled up. He had a breathing tube in, well, a mask anyway. Blood come down his nose, blood come down his mouth. But what really stood out to me was the eyes. It was almost as if like there were ping pong balls under his eyelids. They were that swollen. So most of the injuries that we observed was to the head area, face area.

I mean, he was pretty banged up. He had... His eyes had swelled up. He had a breathing tube in, well, a mask anyway. Blood come down his nose, blood come down his mouth. But what really stood out to me was the eyes. It was almost as if like there were ping pong balls under his eyelids. They were that swollen. So most of the injuries that we observed was to the head area, face area.

He had markings on his right arm.

He had markings on his right arm.

We saw Karen Reed being restrained by hospital employees saying, screaming the same things. Is he alive? Is he alive? Is he alive?

We saw Karen Reed being restrained by hospital employees saying, screaming the same things. Is he alive? Is he alive? Is he alive?

You cannot. You can look at evidence and shows that it may have been older than what the newer evidence would be, but there's no way to say that specific date and time and that a scratch would come from.

You cannot. You can look at evidence and shows that it may have been older than what the newer evidence would be, but there's no way to say that specific date and time and that a scratch would come from.

No.

No.

The ones that are on from the taillight and the other parts of it?

The ones that are on from the taillight and the other parts of it?

Depends on what you got to pick the other scratches. Yeah, show me other scratches on the car.

Depends on what you got to pick the other scratches. Yeah, show me other scratches on the car.

You're being pretty broad on your scratches here.

You're being pretty broad on your scratches here.

Any and all of the scratches? See, that's what I'm saying. You're being pretty broad. Any and all scratches on the car.

Any and all of the scratches? See, that's what I'm saying. You're being pretty broad. Any and all scratches on the car.

Yes.

Yes.

Correct.

Correct.

I don't know anything about that. I don't know that.

I don't know anything about that. I don't know that.

It's what was told to me as evidence.

It's what was told to me as evidence.

By the crime scene.

By the crime scene.

As crime scene, I was there. I said, is this glass from the cup? When I did my initial inspection, that's what it was on from.

As crime scene, I was there. I said, is this glass from the cup? When I did my initial inspection, that's what it was on from.

So in this collision, it's more of a side swipe. So he did not get enough speed of the vehicle post-impact with the vehicle to build calculations. His center of mass was offset from the vehicle. So it would vastly underestimate his speed. So that's why I did not do a formula. If he was more in line with behind the vehicle, he would have been projected forward.

So in this collision, it's more of a side swipe. So he did not get enough speed of the vehicle post-impact with the vehicle to build calculations. His center of mass was offset from the vehicle. So it would vastly underestimate his speed. So that's why I did not do a formula. If he was more in line with behind the vehicle, he would have been projected forward.

And using that projection forward, he would have had to get more closer to the actual speed of the vehicle during that post-impact travels.

And using that projection forward, he would have had to get more closer to the actual speed of the vehicle during that post-impact travels.

Presumed.

Presumed.

Based on the evidence, it appeared to be a sideswipe.

Based on the evidence, it appeared to be a sideswipe.

That's disagreeing the evidence.

That's disagreeing the evidence.

The calculations that are out there, you can get a speed, it would just underestimate the speed.

The calculations that are out there, you can get a speed, it would just underestimate the speed.

Of what object? I would have to know that speed?

Of what object? I would have to know that speed?

Okay.

Okay.

No.

No.

Well, in that sense, are we talking about trying to find the speed of the vehicle? That's usually what we're trying to do.

Well, in that sense, are we talking about trying to find the speed of the vehicle? That's usually what we're trying to do.

There's different types of momentum formulas.

There's different types of momentum formulas.

You wouldn't use that in a pedestrian collision.

You wouldn't use that in a pedestrian collision.

No, it's the weight differential between the pedestrian and the vehicle.

No, it's the weight differential between the pedestrian and the vehicle.

Yes.

Yes.

It's in my math class. We only use momentum for a vehicle to be... Math class? The math... The crash reconstruction classes I have taken.

It's in my math class. We only use momentum for a vehicle to be... Math class? The math... The crash reconstruction classes I have taken.

Do I need to calculate the conservation of momentum?

Do I need to calculate the conservation of momentum?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Not off the top of my head, but yes.

Not off the top of my head, but yes.

What type of collision?

What type of collision?

Correct.

Correct.

What objects?

What objects?

The displacement of the body?

The displacement of the body?

So like I said before, the side swipe, he would not have gotten 100% of the speed of the striking vehicle. It would have vastly underestimated this vehicle. You couldn't hit a person and side swipe and spin them off to the side and get a speed from those calculations.

So like I said before, the side swipe, he would not have gotten 100% of the speed of the striking vehicle. It would have vastly underestimated this vehicle. You couldn't hit a person and side swipe and spin them off to the side and get a speed from those calculations.

Traction.

Traction.

No.

No.

I'm saying it would underestimate the speed and the distance.

I'm saying it would underestimate the speed and the distance.

Yes.

Yes.

It's incorporated into the classes.

It's incorporated into the classes.

It's in the aspects of all our crash reconstruction classes.

It's in the aspects of all our crash reconstruction classes.

I do not have a degree in biomechanics.

I do not have a degree in biomechanics.

So the taillight in this case was shattered when it was struck John O'Keefe's arm.

So the taillight in this case was shattered when it was struck John O'Keefe's arm.

Based on what I saw for his injuries was from the upper part of his arm down.

Based on what I saw for his injuries was from the upper part of his arm down.

But I said it had some upper part of the arm down.

But I said it had some upper part of the arm down.

I didn't see anything that shows it in case this lower torso was struck. It's not saying it could not have been a possibility, but I just didn't see anything.

I didn't see anything that shows it in case this lower torso was struck. It's not saying it could not have been a possibility, but I just didn't see anything.

The arm and the shoulder, yes.

The arm and the shoulder, yes.

Yeah, it spun around counterclockwise. The way it struck, it looked like it could have gone, turned around counterclockwise.

Yeah, it spun around counterclockwise. The way it struck, it looked like it could have gone, turned around counterclockwise.

Yes, initially.

Yes, initially.

Correct.

Correct.

Because when his arm struck the taillight, the taillight then cracked. And as the car is driving past him, the taillight could scratch it.

Because when his arm struck the taillight, the taillight then cracked. And as the car is driving past him, the taillight could scratch it.

In a sense, yes.

In a sense, yes.

I don't know if he did a pirouette.

I don't know if he did a pirouette.

He started rotating counterclockwise. I don't know how far he ran counterclockwise, but he started rotating. According to that, it would push him to rotate counterclockwise. Well, now he went counterclockwise all the way to his back toward the ground. Seems like a most likely possibility.

He started rotating counterclockwise. I don't know how far he ran counterclockwise, but he started rotating. According to that, it would push him to rotate counterclockwise. Well, now he went counterclockwise all the way to his back toward the ground. Seems like a most likely possibility.

Yes, they do.

Yes, they do.

That is not true.

That is not true.

That is not true.

That is not true.

And there's no damage to that vehicle. So if the taillight breaks, it should leave some sort of scratching, maybe a dent. Some sort of damage to that vehicle should have occurred.

And there's no damage to that vehicle. So if the taillight breaks, it should leave some sort of scratching, maybe a dent. Some sort of damage to that vehicle should have occurred.