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Tom Nichols

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But it was something to the effect of there was a way to do this quick do-si-do with Dan Cain and another nominee that you get basically a chairman and a new sec def all at once. That would have been really uncontroversial. But, of course, that would be the simple and – Scandal smothering approach, and Trump didn't take it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But it was something to the effect of there was a way to do this quick do-si-do with Dan Cain and another nominee that you get basically a chairman and a new sec def all at once. That would have been really uncontroversial. But, of course, that would be the simple and – Scandal smothering approach, and Trump didn't take it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But it was something to the effect of there was a way to do this quick do-si-do with Dan Cain and another nominee that you get basically a chairman and a new sec def all at once. That would have been really uncontroversial. But, of course, that would be the simple and – Scandal smothering approach, and Trump didn't take it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

So he's going to hang out Mike Waltz and Alex Wong and some other people, because that's the easy thing to do. And because, as you say, not our people, not our guys. I mean, he really, by all reports, the president really likes Hag Seth. Because Hegseth knows how to play to that gallery. Hegseth knows how to suck up to the boss.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

So he's going to hang out Mike Waltz and Alex Wong and some other people, because that's the easy thing to do. And because, as you say, not our people, not our guys. I mean, he really, by all reports, the president really likes Hag Seth. Because Hegseth knows how to play to that gallery. Hegseth knows how to suck up to the boss.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

So he's going to hang out Mike Waltz and Alex Wong and some other people, because that's the easy thing to do. And because, as you say, not our people, not our guys. I mean, he really, by all reports, the president really likes Hag Seth. Because Hegseth knows how to play to that gallery. Hegseth knows how to suck up to the boss.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And that, as we now know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, cabinet meetings, sucking up to the boss is a core skill set here. It's how you survive.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And that, as we now know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, cabinet meetings, sucking up to the boss is a core skill set here. It's how you survive.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And that, as we now know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, you know, cabinet meetings, sucking up to the boss is a core skill set here. It's how you survive.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

This is where I do the Jim Carrey water meme. You know, come on. I mean, are you serious? They're floating Witkoff to be National Security Advisor?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

This is where I do the Jim Carrey water meme. You know, come on. I mean, are you serious? They're floating Witkoff to be National Security Advisor?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

This is where I do the Jim Carrey water meme. You know, come on. I mean, are you serious? They're floating Witkoff to be National Security Advisor?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And I'm sure that selling real estate... sets you up to convene National Security Council meetings. Why not? Sure. Why not? You know, ever since I've had to practice saying Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth out loud, you know, nothing surprises me.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And I'm sure that selling real estate... sets you up to convene National Security Council meetings. Why not? Sure. Why not? You know, ever since I've had to practice saying Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth out loud, you know, nothing surprises me.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

And I'm sure that selling real estate... sets you up to convene National Security Council meetings. Why not? Sure. Why not? You know, ever since I've had to practice saying Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth out loud, you know, nothing surprises me.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But what I was going to say a minute ago was that the Republicans who, you know, have been going along with all of this and praying for some kind of miracle, this has to give them the willies because Waltz, As you say, no love for Mike Walz, but somebody you could look at and say, I disagree with him, but he seems to take these issues seriously.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But what I was going to say a minute ago was that the Republicans who, you know, have been going along with all of this and praying for some kind of miracle, this has to give them the willies because Waltz, As you say, no love for Mike Walz, but somebody you could look at and say, I disagree with him, but he seems to take these issues seriously.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

But what I was going to say a minute ago was that the Republicans who, you know, have been going along with all of this and praying for some kind of miracle, this has to give them the willies because Waltz, As you say, no love for Mike Walz, but somebody you could look at and say, I disagree with him, but he seems to take these issues seriously.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

Not on the same side of the issues as he is, but a man who at least seems to take seriously these ideas when he was a member of Congress and even as national security advisor. And he and Rubio were going to be the adults in the room, right? Yeah. Okay, so Rubio has become a shell of himself and waltzes out.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1033: Tom Nichols: The Hollow Opportunists

Not on the same side of the issues as he is, but a man who at least seems to take seriously these ideas when he was a member of Congress and even as national security advisor. And he and Rubio were going to be the adults in the room, right? Yeah. Okay, so Rubio has become a shell of himself and waltzes out.