Tim Patterson
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The Trial of Diddy
He Was So Interesting To The Hilfigers, The Trumps, The Winfreys
So we were introduced to hip hop back in the early 80s. I had a cousin, an older cousin, who was an emcee. Back in those days, rappers were called emcees.
The Trial of Diddy
He Was So Interesting To The Hilfigers, The Trumps, The Winfreys
And I would shadow him to the parties he went to, and the block parties and stuff, and I would bring the tapes home that he would make, my cousin would make, and then I would bring them over to the house that Sean and I lived in, and I had some other cousins that would come by. So we just started listening to these tapes that were real valuable.
The Trial of Diddy
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The thing about Sean's place, at a young kid, it was like Disneyland. You go to Sean's house and he's got everything. So he had a stage in his living room, the literal actual stage at two steps, you go up and that's where we used to dance. Cause his mom's was really into music and you couldn't help, but be infected by the music.
The Trial of Diddy
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And I remember dancing to Donna Summer, Sugar Hill Gang, you know, all the stuff, all the things. And Sean knew how to do it well. He was a hell of a dancer, hell of a dancer. That was our germ of hip hop right there. And then, um, As he got older and as I got older, you couldn't help but not be around hip-hop because it was a culture. It was a lifestyle. It was a certain type of sneaker.
The Trial of Diddy
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It was a certain type of pants. It was a certain type of hat. It was a certain way to talk. It was a certain way to walk. And Sean being from Harlem, he had all of this. flavor in him all of this all the ingredients to be a fly cat it was all in him from a very early age so then how did you guys end up um going into the industry itself and landing on uptown records
The Trial of Diddy
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When we were in our teen years, we would play sports. We taught Sean how to play baseball. So he went and played baseball for a couple of teams and stuff. And then he went to high school and played football. So he was becoming athletic. He was coming out of his shell. He was becoming a lot more out of that introverted, shy shell into that, I think I'm getting to know who I am shell.
The Trial of Diddy
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I think I'm starting to feel myself. Because I could dance. I could do all of this stuff. And people are watching me different. We got introduced to hip hop in a different way. Sean left high school and went to college. I left high school and I went to the army. And we did our time and came back together. So this is post college for him. This is post military for me.
The Trial of Diddy
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And he's already in the industry. He's 17 years old. He's 17 years old and he's got a job down at Uptown Records. I come back from the military and naturally I'm different. I'm a lot more mature. You know, I'm a lot more grown and stuff. And, you know, I seek him out and he says, hey, welcome back. Come down to the office. Come check me out.
The Trial of Diddy
He Was So Interesting To The Hilfigers, The Trumps, The Winfreys
It was amazing. It was amazing. It was it was it was unbelievable because you got to realize this is Sean. This is not Puffy. This is my Sean, you know, three year old, four year old, five year old. And now he's 17 years old. He's in corporate America. I walk in the building. They say, hello, Mr. Combs. This is his life at 17.
The Trial of Diddy
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Goes up the elevator, opens the elevator, says MCA Records in real big letters. And he comes out like it's just another day. I'm following him and we go to his office. That was my first experience with the music industry that day.
The Trial of Diddy
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It was naturally a shock for me. It was a shock for everyone, you know. Sean was at the door. He was standing at the door of Rarified Air. He's making six figures at 17 years old. And Sean, he wasn't coordinated. He was just a little goofy. He's a kid still, and his actions were childish. He's 17, but he's got carte blanche access to the music industry. He's got Russell Simmons here.
The Trial of Diddy
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He's got Andre Harrell here. He's got everybody else in the industry saying, who's this little young gunner? He's the youngest executive in the music business as a Black man. That's the position he was in at 17.
The Trial of Diddy
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Sean was just like he told you. He was the little bad boy. He was the industry's little brother that was the pest. You know, Sean told me one time before he was 20 years old, he's like, yo, I need to speak to Michael Jackson. Now, mind you, I'm Sean's intern at this time. I'm working for him.
The Trial of Diddy
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And I don't know the first thing about finding Michael Jackson, but if you know anything about Sean or Uptown Records or Andre, you have to figure it out on your own. You just have to figure it out. Come to me with the results. Don't come to me with complaints. So yeah, he was a mess in the office. He didn't come to the meetings on time. He'd come late.
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He'd come with his pants hanging off his butt, his shoes untied. He'd have a turkey sandwich in his hand, an orange and cranberry juice, come into office, make noise, disrupt everything in the meeting. But he was the little pest. He was the little brother. And people just tolerated him. That's just Sean. That's just Puff. Even Andre tolerated it to an extent.
The Trial of Diddy
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Andre got to a point at the company where we had a genre called hip hop and R&B. That was kind of a genre Andre and Buff sliced out and it was our own for a minute. And it was unknown to other executives what hip hop R&B was. We were bringing something new into the game, into the business. So Uptown was a subsidiary of MCA Records at the time.
The Trial of Diddy
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MCA Records wasn't putting out sounds like Uptown, artists like Uptown. So they didn't understand when Andre would say, hey, I need a million dollars for a Mary J. Blige video. They would say, are you kidding me? They wouldn't understand when they said, I need to get a half a million dollars for Devante Swing's court case because he crashed a car.
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They didn't understand these issues and problems that came with these young black artists. So Andre was protecting a brand. He was protecting Uptown Records from the executives, from the suits. He had a deal he had to live up to. So in order to keep his deal intact, in order to keep his money coming, he had to please the mother company.
The Trial of Diddy
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And the mother company suggested to him that this kid Sean Combs is expensive. He's costing us a lot of money. He's shooting videos for this amount of money. He's producing records for this amount of money. And this is all new to the MCA people. Andre understood what it was, but he has to explain that to corporate and corporate doesn't want to hear that.
The Trial of Diddy
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So to the point where corporate told Andre, they said, listen, man, um, You got to get rid of him. And we also suggest that you put kind of a cop patroller, a money person in the company. John was like, yo, the white man's trying to take your shit. It's a black company. They trying to put another white man in here to oversee you. And they did.
The Trial of Diddy
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They put another white guy in there and it was a general manager of Uptown. And Sean and him never really got along. They always bumped heads. And Andre stuck in the middle of all of that. So he's got corporate now telling him to bring the money down. I know you guys are making tons of money, but we're spending tons of money.
The Trial of Diddy
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And on the other hand, he got Sean in his ear like, yo, why are you letting the white man take your shit? So it got to a point where it was two kings in the castle. And one had to go. And it had to be Sean. Andre had to let Sean go. Sean took it very hard. Because Sean didn't look at it as if corporate told him to do it. Sean looked at it as, you're abandoning me. You're my pops.
The Trial of Diddy
He Was So Interesting To The Hilfigers, The Trumps, The Winfreys
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The Trial of Diddy
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That was the way Sean looked at Andre. You're my dad. What are you talking about? So it really didn't stick. It didn't kick in with Sean for a while. I mean, he would do some things to try to get his job back. But Andre had to keep a brand going. Andre also looked at Sean as his son, but he also looked at his brand as his baby. So he had to make the decision.
The Trial of Diddy
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That's where Sean had to be let go from Uptown.
The Trial of Diddy
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I can't even put it into words because it was just like euphoric. It was almost like you pinch yourself. Am I really here? He was introducing this real loose fitted, this real avant-garde, this real different type of hip hop to corporate America, to the world. He's 17, 18 years old. And all these artists you just mentioned are basically shadows of him.
The Trial of Diddy
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If you really look at all the artists on Uptown back in the day, They were basically shadows of Sean from the way they dress to the way they act to the way they talk. You know, he was that infective on you. He just had that much flavor. He became Uptown. Andre would just sit there. This is Andre's thing. He'd just sit there and let Sean go crazy. You know, he allowed it. The staff had to listen.
The Trial of Diddy
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They had to do it. You know, it was amazing. Big amount of cursing and mother effer. That's what it was. But the end result was always platinum. The end result was always millions of sales. The end result was always radio, radio, radio. The end result was never second. It was always first and then some.
The Trial of Diddy
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That type of behavior doesn't stick today. Back then, there were no examples, no blueprints, no references of Puffy's. He was the first 17, 18, 19-year-old kid hanging with Russell Simmons, Andre Harrell, Brett Ratner, Clive Davis. He was the exception because there was no reference to him. So he was so interesting to people. He was so interesting to the Hill figures.
The Trial of Diddy
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He was so interesting to the Trumps. He was so interesting to the Winfreys that this kid's got a magnetism about him. And he's the one behind these people? There was no other people like Puffy, like Michael Jackson. There was no, he's a one of one. Prince, a one of one. Rembrandt, a one of one. We're really watching some biblical shit go on here. It's way bigger than just man.
The Trial of Diddy
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Sean's story is way more biblical than anything.
The Trial of Diddy
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I'm going to tell you, it's bittersweet. And what I mean by that is for years, like you said, since I've been his friend forever, There are certain people that know that. And there are certain people that tell you things over the years. And you try to defend because this isn't the person you know. And for years, people were bringing me information and bringing me news.
The Trial of Diddy
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And, you know, you can't never say never. But this isn't the Sean I knew that they were explaining to me. So when I say it's bittersweet seeing the position he's in right now, Sean saved me from whatever is going on in the industry. I don't know Diddy. And I believe in my heart he made sure of that because he didn't want me to be around whatever behavior he was displaying.
The Trial of Diddy
He Was So Interesting To The Hilfigers, The Trumps, The Winfreys
That wasn't the way we rocked. He knew there was limits for me and that you don't do this. That's the sweet part, that I wasn't taken down these rabbit holes that he's being accused of being taken down. That's the sweet part, and I love him for that. He knew it wasn't meant for me, whatever it is he's being accused of. The bitter part is, You're watching this kid that you grew up with.
The Trial of Diddy
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You damn near raised for a portion of his life. You experienced all these firsts. You know, I'm really picturing Sean at the circus now. We eating popcorn. I'm picturing at the Wiz, the opening of the Wiz, 1975, Broadway. We're there. You know what I mean? I'm picturing him on the ice skates at Rockefeller Center. We're there. Ain't no black kids doing this stuff. And he's there in London fog.
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He's there in fashion for real, for real. And now I'm seeing where he's at. This is such a learning moment and a teaching moment for the world, if you really ask me. But more in particular, children that don't have the patriarch in their world, children who were born fatherless, children who were born without the chance that I might have had. OK, money can't be your God.
The Trial of Diddy
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And when you see this happening, you know, it comes from a place of hurt with me like, God damn, I understand he's being accused of the worst of the worst. But let this be known, he's not the first, won't be the last. But because we're in 2025 and because there may be some type of agenda, who knows? Let's say there isn't. Let's just say the law is starting to crack down on all the bullshit, okay?
The Trial of Diddy
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He is definitely in the thick of it. And he's doing anything to get his freedom back. There's something wrong with Sean, according to everyone. But does that make us any better? If you gave myself, yourself, any average person seven figures to be reckless with before 20 years old, do you really think you would have stayed in the lines? Do you really think you would have played by all the rules?
The Trial of Diddy
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Would you have not once had that party in Hollywood where everybody got shit-faced? Or would you have went to bed at 8 o'clock that night? Really, we have to ask ourselves those questions in order to put context to this person we call a monster.
The Trial of Diddy
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The world stopped. You know, everything stopped. I'm seeing John again. At the elevator, the world stopped completely.
The Trial of Diddy
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I've really given this a lot of thought over this time of, you know, what's going on with him. You know, just trying to really come up with a solution I can live with. And the solution that I can live with that I think is most reasonable and rational, for me anyway, and I hope for the public is, Sean wasn't proud of Sean Combs at a certain point of his life. Sean Combs...
The Trial of Diddy
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brought back memories that maybe he didn't want to have, or maybe were very uncomfortable for him to have. And him being in the position he's in, he was in, he recreated himself time after time. You know, he went to Puffy, Puff Daddy, Sean John, Bitty, Daddy Love, right? So he's continually reinventing himself for whatever reasons, but never really went back to Sean Combs.
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You know, Sean John could have been Sean Combs, but there was a reason it wasn't. And I believe he wanted to really put that piece of life away, bury it somewhere. Now, the only way out of this is to kill all the other Shawns, the Pigg Diddys, the Daddy Loves, the Shawn Johns. You gotta really kill them and come back to Shawn Combs.
The Trial of Diddy
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And once you come back to Shawn Combs and you make it right with the Most High, That's when you can deal with your situation. Now, you just mentioned he may spend the rest of his life in jail. Right now, it seems like it's going to be a court of public opinion more than it's going to be the law. So I'm sure he's thinking it could be life. I'm sure he's given every thought to everything.
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But Sean is the type that really, really believes he's innocent. I'm telling you. He really believes he's innocent. He doesn't feel the things that he's accused of is what he's done. He doesn't feel that. I know him. He doesn't feel that. In his journey, wherever it may take him, if it may bring him home. if it may keep him there, he has to go back to Sean Combs.
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He has to release that spirit and get to know who that person is because he's the person I fell in love with. And pause, you know, that was my little bro. That's the person people loved, Sean. These other people, people feared. They fear Diddy. They fear Sean John. These are manufactured characters driven by evil, if you ask me, for the sake of money, for the sake of being the best.
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Sean will be okay if Sean gets back to Sean, whether he's in prison or whether he's home. If he still lives under a moniker, if he still lives under a false name, he's never going to have peace. That's what I believe.
The Trial of Diddy
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What's going on, Marge? How you doing? Thank you.
The Trial of Diddy
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We met back in the early 70s. I was living on one side of town in Mount Vernon, New York. And it was the south side of town. That was kind of where, you know, it was the ghetto housing projects like. And Sean lived on the north side of town. And that was the suburbs. You know, that was where everybody really wanted to be. So I remember the school I was in. It was a bad school.
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You know, kids were bad. And I used to come home, beat up some time. Or I used to have a letter coming home from the principal giving to my mother. I couldn't go to school for the next few days, you know. So it was starting to become something my mom really didn't want me to be in.
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And her and my dad got together and they figured out how to get us out of the south side and move us to the north side. But in the interim of that, you know, we would check out a lot of apartments, stuff my mom really didn't like. But then it was this one house that we drove up to and it was on the north side of town. I can remember like yesterday, brand new house.
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Trees, birds, you know, not used to what you're seeing on the south side. And we end up stopping in front of the house. And I was surprised that this is where we were going. And this lady comes out. The lady's just like gorgeous. I thought it was Diana Ross.
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happened to be Sean's mom. She comes out, she greets us, brings us in the house, starts showing us around, and I'm just blown away because the house is brand new. We walked into it, and it had a paint, a fresh paint smell. It had a new smell. It didn't have what we're used to walking into in the apartments on the south side.
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You walk into a building on the south side, you're gonna get something foul that you smell. It's just something that sticks with you. It's not gonna be cute. too clean. But at this house, it smelled new, and I was not used to that.
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This was 1972, so that would make me five years old. So anyway, my parents and Sean's mom, they're walking around, and I'm kind of just hanging out, checking out the outside and stuff. And Sean's mom, she recognizes that and says, well, hold on, let me go get Sean. And I had no idea there was a kid involved. She said, let me go get Sean.
The Trial of Diddy
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And she went upstairs and this kid comes downstairs and he looked like little Rodney Allen Ripley. I mean, he looked like royalty. He was just a real different looking kid. He stuck out. He didn't have no nappy hair. He didn't have no messed up clothes on. You know, he was really something special. You could tell this guy wasn't a normal kid. At least I could tell.
The Trial of Diddy
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If I was five or six, he was either three or four. Yeah.
The Trial of Diddy
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Okay, so that picture there says a lot. And I really want to put context into a lot of the things that are being said now. You know, you got to kind of get to know a person's beginnings. You kind of got to get to know their firsts before you can really put a guilty sign on. You have to kind of know where they came from. And that's what I really want to specify and go into detail about.
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And at the same time, I do not want to condone and I don't condone any of the things that he's been accused of. But Sean is special to me. We were big brother, little brother type of moves. And There's no way I can sit back and allow this to happen without giving context to his life and to his story. Sean was born a really good kid, really good kid, gifted kid.
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When you talk about having everything he needed, he was just ahead of his time from day one. Going back to your question, that picture, that picture was random picture, random day. My dad was really into taking pictures. So he would catch us at any time of the day and say, hey, pose like this, pose like that. That's my dad posing us. And we stand there, he took the picture.
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And if you notice in the picture, there's a big difference in our clothing. There's a big difference in, you know, our getup. Sean's wearing jewelry. He's got on white shoes. What is he like? Could be five, six years old in that picture, if that. He's got on dark socks. He's got on a bucket hat already.
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Very stylish. The type of clothes you'd see a grown-up wearing, you know, he was wearing. Then on the other hand, you see my clothes, it was nervous.
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Yeah, so when we moved into the house, it was a win-win for everyone. Sean gets another boy in the house now in similar age. My mom and Sean's moms, who were friends. And then on top of it all, you had a man of the house in the home. It was my dad. So he was able to do the things with me and Sean that dads do while he could.
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So yeah, he was really instrumental in our lives, as was Sean's mom instrumental in my life.
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Like you said, Sean never had a chance to experience a dad in the household. And at that time in his life, besides his grandfather, my dad was probably in proximity to closest man in his life.
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Our experiences were different growing up in Mount Vernon. I was born in Mount Vernon, so I'm kind of part of the fabric there, the family fabric, the friend fabric. My parents know different parents in the town, grew up with different people in the town. I was a lot more associated with Mount Vernon than Sean was.
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Sean was a transplant from Harlem to Mount Vernon, basically because his mom and dad had bigger plans for him than just Harlem. They wanted him to grow up in the suburbs. They wanted him to have a better shot at life. So naturally, the house was built in Mount Vernon, and that's where he grew up.
The Trial of Diddy
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So Sean never really had the friends or the people or the camaraderie that I had in Mount Vernon because he didn't grow there. He was kind of looked at as an outcast. He was different. He drove around in a Cadillac. He wore all these beautiful clothes. It was just a different kid. And kids from Mount Vernon didn't understand that in the beginning, you know, the jealousy.
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Why does he have what I don't have type of thing? And Sean dealt with a lot of that as a child, a lot of that adversity, a lot of that bullying and a lot of that just being better than people, having more than people. He had no say in the matter. It's just how he was brought into the world, you know.
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Yeah. You know, he had it rough, man. He had it rough around the block. Mind you, we're in the suburbs. So this isn't like we're in the ghetto or in the hood, but we're in the suburbs. It's me and him on a block of all white kids, basically. Italian kids, Jewish kids. And during that time in America, that was the early 70s.
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So us being on a street with all suburban kids, all white kids, it was not easy for him, number one. Sean's from Harlem. The white man doesn't treat the black man really good in Harlem. So you come to the suburbs, How do I interact with the white man? You're my oppressor. And that was his teachings. So his association with that side was minimal.
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The black kids that were spread out in the neighborhood tended to pick on him. because he just wasn't tough enough at the time. So this is how we became pretty tight. He would start to go wherever I'd go. You know, I'm coming from the other side of town, so I got a little more grit on me. I'm coming over here to the suburbs where these kids don't really know it yet.
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So I was kind of like the guy on the block. And Sean was my little bro. Everywhere I went, he was there. The kids wouldn't pick on him as much, but he still had to go through it. And it was messed up because me and a few other people had to fight for him a lot, had to defend him until he was able to defend himself. Why am I able to say, okay, I defended him? Well, I had a dad in the house.
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My dad instilled some things in me that let me know there's only but so far people can go with you. Win, lose, or draw. And these might have been some of the things Sean could have gotten as a child had he had a father.