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Tim Howard (producer) / narrator

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39 appearances

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Radiolab
Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

We have the story of a little girl who became a very, very big deal.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

How big a deal did this little girl become?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

A very big deal to about 500-something nations.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I don't think so.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Wait a second.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

How would this happen on this scale?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I mean, is this just a bunch of social workers making the same decision independently?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I'm Chad Abumrad.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I'm Robert Quillwich.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

This is Radiolab.

Radiolab
Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Today, a look at a Supreme Court case that may determine the future of a law called the Indian Child Welfare Act, or ICWA.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

And they were also willing to have an open adoption.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

When Christy gave birth to Veronica... They were there with her in the delivery room.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Matt Capobianco cut the umbilical cord.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I know.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Well, there's the contrast.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

So in the beginning, it sounds like he did not want to be a dad.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Hey, how's it going?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

How we doing?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Doing good.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Okay.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Four hours south.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

It's too late.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Under every state's laws, too late.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Under the federal constitution, too late.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Christy herself is predominantly Hispanic.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Dustin is predominantly Caucasian and is approximately 2% Cherokee.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Did she say 2%?

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I feel like that changes things somehow.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

She intended to give Veronica a life.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I mean, this has been going on for so long.

Radiolab
Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

So the Supreme Court came to a decision on this ruling about a month after we first aired this podcast, and here's what they said.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

So it sounds like the Capo Biancos will ultimately get Veronica back.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Wow.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

So it's possible the Capobiancos might not get custody.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Damn, this is complicated.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

I thought that they were supposed to get less complicated.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Producer Tim Howard.

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Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl

Thanks, Tim.