Tim Grover
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
It's not going to acknowledge you. And you can't win with just one thing. You have to win with all of you.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Sometimes you're at the top and then you're at the bottom again. Well, you may get to the top and you're like, I'm here. And then you look back down and you look up again, you're actually on the first step. You're on the first step again. And where you thought was the top is not even the top. It's the beginning. It's literally the beginning of where you're supposed to be.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Obsession.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
extremely high threshold for physical and mental pain discomfort and also winning they all had that in common the winning mindset the winning yes what he called it the mama mentality
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
So I look at it three ways. So you have individuals... that compete. You know a lot of people that compete. We all know how to compete. Everybody knows how to compete. You don't forget how to compete. We just decide not to anymore. But a lot of people compete just to finish. Then there's individuals that win, but they only win one time.
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That is an art and a science probably combined. Yes. Because here's how it goes. You can't come back the same. Once you win, you can't come back? You cannot come back the same. You have to come back different. You have to come back better. This is what I always say. Listen, winning requires you to be different, and difference scares people. Absolutely. It scares people. So after each championship,
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Every single athlete, high performance athletes I've worked with, even in business, would come up to me and say, what's next? Because I need to feel this again. I need to feel this. The obsession. Yes. I need to feel this again. So they know they have to come back. Something about them has to be better. They have to continue to evolve and change.
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How many teams do you know in professional sports that They bring the exact same team back. I mean, exact same team that win again. They don't. There's always a little change. There's always a little tweak here. There's a change over here. There's something that goes on over here.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
And every athlete who's won multiple titles over and over again, or even in different business people, you look at, you just had Tony here. Look, he's won for decades.
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Yes.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
he's always reinventing always finding new coaches always mastering some skill learning evolving it's just like you just have to just watch what these individuals do just why he's not still using the same format he used 20 years like you said new coaches new content new technology new new everything and it's available to us but people like oh we did it once and we can do it the exact same way again you can't
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You can't, there's people that win at winning. And this is extremely important on how they do this. You said, well, how do you make sure you just don't go through this? We're all taught, to manage time. Everyone tells you how to manage time. Make a list, this is what you do and here it is. Have a little timer when it goes on and all this other stuff.
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And that's when most people just quit. I just like, it just drives me crazy because everybody's like, here, look at, I always, people that I do the interview with, I always like to use them as an example because people can relate to that, all right? You've been climbing steps for how long to get to here?
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One of the things that I teach all my clients from a business standpoint, from an athletic standpoint, I was like, listen, don't manage time, manage focus. What does that look like? Manage focus. So what happens is when you try to manage time, the clock is always against you. You're trying to finish off something and time goes by so quickly. When you're in that moment, when you're so focused,
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When you're so focused, you don't know if you've been at it for 30 minutes or you've been at it for an hour.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Or weeks. You just go. Time creates distractions. Literally, if you like managing time, you get all these distractions that are going there. What does focus do? It blocks them out. Right. So don't worry about managing time. Manage your focus. Be in that moment when you're in that moment. And then you'll get so much more done during that time. All right. You know, time tells you to stop. All right.
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Focus tells you keep going.
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So you have just, right, exactly. So all the steps that you climbed just to get started. Yeah. Just to get started. And people don't want to talk about those steps. They don't want to talk about those steps and how difficult those steps are and how many steps that you stumbled on and how many steps you didn't even see and how many steps that people placed in front of you and they pulled away.
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People that you were very close to. People that you knew. People that you thought that were like, hey, these people actually have my back. Except, yeah, they did have your back, but they were actually pushing you down the steps. for stabbing you in there.
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And it's funny when you talk about those things or people talk about it, they seem surprised, but you should know that in that path, all those things are gonna be there. They're going to be there.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Winning isn't all of us. That's what I always say, listen. And we have wins every single moment. And those are the steps that get us a little closer to what we want. Every minute, you have an opportunity to win. You really do. But with everything that went on in the world in this past year, people forgot how to win. People don't even know what a win looks like anymore.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Yeah, people don't even know like, And so many times a wind just comes by because there's a constant change, there's a constant shift. And now with the paradigm of the way everything is being handled now, you have to look at things completely different. Everybody's waiting for normal. A wind doesn't look like what it used to look like anymore. What does it look like now?
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What does it look like now? For each individual, it's different. For each individual, it's different. For a lot of individuals, it's just like... getting out of that routine that you were stuck in for so long? And did the pandemic allow you to say, you know what? Yeah, I was in a routine, but the routine wasn't getting me anywhere. I was in a routine of comfort.
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I think the thing that people misunderstand about success is they're looking for the easiest way to get there. And it's funny, how many people books have you read or
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And the pandemic put a lot of people in a routine that was very uncomfortable, that they weren't used to. They weren't, but it was a necessity. It was needed. You know, people always wish for this time during this thing that happened, I want to spend more time with my family. And now they have it. Now you have it. Okay. Schools aren't doing a good job with educating my kids.
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Now you're homeschooling. I'd love to work from the house. Now you're doing it. Now you're doing it. Now you have all these things going on that you wished you had as you thought were wins. And for some people they were. And for others, you're just like, no, these are not wins.
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I do a lot of Zoom stuff at home and I got a cat and I got a very lively dog and you'll see the cat run right across the screen. Of course, I don't have little kids in the house anymore, but trying to work and have them in the background asking for school help or, you know, they're on their bandwidth trying to study in their school stuff. Winning became a distraction. It became a distraction.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
And people were trying to balance all these different things and forgot, hey, this is what my win is. You need to recognize what that win is now. And during the pandemic, it's not getting back to normal. It's getting beyond normal, figuring out what your next win is, how to place it, and how to continue to move forward on that win.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Because it's easy to talk about the setbacks because so many people can relate to that. That gave us a nice little comfort thing. Everybody can use the pandemic as an excuse. And then you have other people that thrive during that time. They're like, I got to find out a new way to win. I got to find out like a real, real new way to win.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
And you had some people that really, really won big during that time. Absolutely. They stepped up. They stepped up. Yes. They stepped up. They saw the steps. And I was like, okay. Are these steps stable? Are they unstable? It doesn't matter. I gotta climb them. I gotta climb them.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Continue to work like a maniacal individual on what you want.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
won't say promoted but had on your show and everybody goes five easy steps ten steps to greatness yeah you know eight steps to this and those steps for success they're infinite they are infinite you cannot count them it doesn't matter how long you've been doing it those steps are constantly shifting You don't know if they're there.
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Prove it to yourself. We have so many other individuals that are trying to prove it to everybody else. Don't worry about proving it to everybody else. Prove it to yourself.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
You just gave an example. Yeah. You're one of your closest friends.
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How To Build An Indestructible Mindset That Will Allow You To Achieve Anything
Man, that's a terrible name. That's a terrible name. All right. Prove yourself right. Yeah. Don't prove him wrong. Right. Say, okay, I'm going to go do this for me, whether you like it or not. Right. And the best validation is when they come back to you and say, I was wrong. That's the best validation.
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You know? Yes. Normalcy. Right, right. Whatever it would have been. Yeah. Whatever it would have been.
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It's perfect. You look at when Kobe, his first playoff series, How old was he in his first one? It was early in his career.
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I'm talking about before he won the finals.
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In the playoffs. I think he had this. No Shaq. Pre-Shaq. Yeah. He had this horrible game against, I think it might have been the Utah Jazz. I can't remember. But he shot like four or five straight air balls. I remember that. Yeah. Four or five straight air balls. All right. Now, he could have came back next year and said, I got to prove everybody that's a man. You're too young. Why did you take?
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No, it was just like, you know what? That's on me. I have to I have to own that. I have to own that moment. I owned that moment. Now, I got to prove to myself. I can overcome this because now everybody else is doubting me. But I can't doubt myself. I can't doubt myself. And everybody's had that moment. Everybody told MJ, don't go to North Carolina. You'll never play. You'll never play.
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And one of the stories I share with individuals is Dean Smith, who was a coach at the time, he introduced... Michael, he said, Michael, I want you to meet, I think I got the name right. I'm pretty sure. He thinks I want you to meet Buzz Peterson. Buzz Peterson was the number one recruited player in the nation. To go to North Carolina? To go, yeah, like the number one anywhere.
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He was the number one player in the nation. And Michael goes to Dean and says, how could he be number one? He ain't never played me. He said, how Dean saw something, he saw that competitive nature in MJ. And he wanted to see, now, if I tell him that, is that kid gonna start doubting himself? Because everybody else has already told him, you shouldn't be here. You shouldn't be here.
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Sometimes you have to trust that the next step is going to be there when you can't even see it. And sometimes when you step on that step, you go right into quicksand. But you got to be able to pull yourself back out of it again. So everybody's looking for these steps and there are no steps. Those steps never, never end. And you just can't climb steps.
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And Michael went out and he said, I don't need to prove to coach. I don't need to prove to Buzz. I need to prove to myself that I belong here. Did they end up competing? Didn't they do one-on-one? Yeah, it ended up, yeah, and it didn't turn out well. For the other guy? Yeah, for the other guy, yeah. And Coach Smith made them roommates. Oh, wow, that's hilarious.
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Yes, I did.
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And it was the last point I ever scored. Really? Yes. What was that like? Where was the moment? It was during... Well, see, it was kind of like a setup. It was a setup. So it was... Michael and I were kind of messing around. We had just finished...
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grueling leg workout he's like can't even walk grueling leg workout so you get him when he's at his lowest moment oh yeah and he's up there and he's you know we go up there to get loosened loosen up a little bit and he's just like he's shooting goes man i can't even i can't even feel i can't even feel my i can't even feel my legs i said i got a great idea to kind of loosen you up a little bit i said let's play a little one-on-one he thinks i'm just yeah he goes right past me but i just go right around on that high score needs oh
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oh big mistake big mistake you saw lily the lactic acid just flush out of his body in that second and he goes all right That was the last point? That was the last time I touched the ball. Really? He wouldn't even let you play with him anymore. I couldn't get the ball back. I couldn't get the ball back. I would get the ball back after he scored in the basket and I'd pass it back to him.
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I couldn't get around him. When you're a professional at something, people don't realize how good those individuals are. I love the people that sit on the sidelines and all this other stuff, and they doubt. They doubt how talented those individuals are. And I always tell them in any sport, I say, listen, you give me who you think are the five worst. In the league, yeah. In the league.
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Pick, I don't care who that, any of them. They will dominate. Anyone. You get your top five, they will literally dominate. Doubt can become an addiction. Just like anything else. Just like winning. Yes. So what do people say the first thing when you become an addict? You gotta talk about it. You gotta admit it.
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Get it out. Because what I might think you're doubting may be completely different than something that you're doubting. I may see something and you're like, no, that's not it. Well, okay, let's talk about this a little more. Explain to me what's going on here. What created that doubt? What created that doubt? And we know after seven years,
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Sometimes you got to crawl those steps and you finally get to the top. and everything shifts and you're at the bottom again. That's crazy.
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those it had finally gotten to the point where it was just like and no one talked to him because he you know kobe wasn't going to talk to anybody about it you know he's never going to talk to the media about it no they should talk to some individual that's like hey okay listen I understand. I'm as obsessed and as crazy as you are because that's why you hired me. That's why you hired me.
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I understand the winning mentality. I understand what's going on in under here. I understand the skeletons. I understand the demons. I get those things. Mine aren't the same as yours, but I have them. We all have them, and very few can admit them. So when you start admitting doubt and you start to be able to talk about it,
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something that you've tried to bury in your closet that needs to be addressed, but you're trying to hide it. You're trying to bury it. You're trying to put it away. And winning requires you to show up with all of you. It wants to show up the good, the bad, the fearful, the doubt, the anxiety, the ups, the downs. It needs to see all of you. Otherwise, it's never going to acknowledge you.