Susan Glasser

completely all right with a series of things that just don't check the box for basic democracy anymore. And that's the part that is a long-term trend, especially because we're in so much more of a politically polarized system. It is basically a fully partisan system now.

completely all right with a series of things that just don't check the box for basic democracy anymore. And that's the part that is a long-term trend, especially because we're in so much more of a politically polarized system. It is basically a fully partisan system now.

The idea of a nonpartisan civil service Trump is blowing up, the idea that there's institutional imperatives for Congress rather than just partisan imperatives, that's all I think disappearing very quickly.

The idea of a nonpartisan civil service Trump is blowing up, the idea that there's institutional imperatives for Congress rather than just partisan imperatives, that's all I think disappearing very quickly.

Rule of law, you'll miss it when it's gone.

Rule of law, you'll miss it when it's gone.

You thought a conversation about Trump's corruption would end on a glass half full moment?

You thought a conversation about Trump's corruption would end on a glass half full moment?

How deep this goes.

How deep this goes.

I mean, I was kind of focusing on, you said it a few times, I think, about how crazy it is that Trump is just like so comfortable on this trip. And of course he is because he's making lots of money. But I just cannot imagine being in the same room as MBS and doing what he did, which was fall asleep.

I mean, I was kind of focusing on, you said it a few times, I think, about how crazy it is that Trump is just like so comfortable on this trip. And of course he is because he's making lots of money. But I just cannot imagine being in the same room as MBS and doing what he did, which was fall asleep.

Gotta keep one eye open. Nap time.

Gotta keep one eye open. Nap time.

Also, the proving. I mean, I can't imagine trying to parse through all of the companies and all of the shady movements to prove.

Also, the proving. I mean, I can't imagine trying to parse through all of the companies and all of the shady movements to prove.

And it's crazy. Like you just had an hour-long conversation. You didn't touch on the media. What about all of the money he's making there? Like it really is endless.

And it's crazy. Like you just had an hour-long conversation. You didn't touch on the media. What about all of the money he's making there? Like it really is endless.

$40 million for a documentary.

$40 million for a documentary.