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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
HLTV viewers could never handle these kinds of technical difficulties.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
We can easily blame Call of Duty for this. It's great. It's easy. We can blame Call of Duty because it was the Cod Orcs that came in in 2016. Those are the ones who had the initial increase. And once one org comes in and says, we're going to pay $15,000 instead of $7,000, everyone's going to start... Only one of them stayed, though.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, that's what I mean. They all came in. They all bumped up the salaries and all fucked up. Remember NBS?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Okay. Mostly because they were embroiled in insane business battles behind the scenes, but yeah.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That's like the peak behind the curtain of show business.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Probably not. I would assume no.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Which is good because Lucas says some wild shit.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
So it'd be a week late, essentially.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I'm just listening to it. Like, what am I supposed to say? Our entire scene is set up on technicalities of what words you use.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
unfortunate. I don't want to say anything. I have only bad things in my brain right now. I don't want to say I love you and they're bad things. Yeah, it's like the only like I'm thinking like, what should I say? What should I say? And it's all the things that you shouldn't say. So I'm just gonna chill.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, dude, just don't do format. So we'll stay away from the format.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, but if those teams, if you can't make the progress as a brand new team, you have to have that.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
You're saying we have a similar number of open qualifiers this year coming than we did last year.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I'll give you the ballpark as well. Does that matter if the ability to get to go from tier two to tier one is more closed off than ever.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Well, yeah.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Endpoints bowed out of Counter-Strike altogether.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That was actually the most clear factor of the VRS.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Well, let's also highlight the last five years were like two years of COVID where everything was extremely locked down. And then we saw the Luver agreement, the Blast agreements, everything was extremely locked down. And that was part of the issue of creating this VRS was to open that back up.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
ESO was so relative. It was a little bit. No, it wasn't. Yeah, it was. There's avenues to get in.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
But let's not act like it's not a little bit locked.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Sorry, I clumped them together. We're in the semantics era. Yes, apparently we are.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Really important.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Those are leather-wrapped thongs.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
There we go. That counts.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Well, I think they had an issue with the Asian one as well, didn't they? You could only sign up for their Asian Open Qualifier if you had a mainland Chinese number, so a bunch of teams couldn't actually sign up for the qualifier.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Why are you evading again? It's the same situation, just a different region. That's why I brought it up.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It's fine. I'll go play some Counter-Strike. No, you can't.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Here's one more thing I'll say about this, okay? Boys, can we do the show?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Okay, so you like the lawnmower a little bit more?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
What's a bush in Australia? Lots of bush. Oh, there's a ton of bush in Australia. You guys have the biggest bush, I think, of the whole world. You've been in the thick of the bush before. I've been way deep into the bush.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No, I'm good. I just don't know if I'm allowed to talk or if someone's going to be smart-ass comment.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah. Oh, Jason, don't be like this. Well, I'm ready to go. What do you want to talk about? What have we got?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It's my fault. What's next on the subject list? That's all right.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Last time I did one of these, I did really good.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I think it's funny. There's a lot of intersections going on. It's cool. I'm excited by the collaboration. I'm just happy to be here.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
one team in the group stage in 2015 you said okay why isn't titan an option that was cologne that was the first thing i thought about too how is that kind of beats in 2015 in the group stage that that's what's all about the ones there's no shot they beat fanatic fanatic won beat bit nip Yeah, but this is the group stage.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Flipside was always playing in those elimination games because they were always that ratty team that got to the majors and did nothing else all year.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Navi was a really slow-paced tactical team and Chad did not have the brain to beat them at the time. Actually, harsh but fair.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Flipside's the easy one, but that's the obvious one.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Who was on Navi in 15? Seized? Flaming at the time, maybe? Let's just say Flipside, dude.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
You guys were playing in NA at the time, and Cash is an NA map, so you guys had plenty of practice.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It's Luminosity.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Are we live?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That was the event too where those boosts you were talking about that happened at the empty arena. That was the one where the day went so late that they had to empty out the arena.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Two of the three were on time.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I was hoping, because I knew it was 2017. What roster was he on in 2017?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Was Titan still around in 2017?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That was also the Dallas one. What are our options? Envy, Titan, G2. I think Titan was done by then. I think it's Envy or G2.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, sure.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
The Frenchies were also the only people who won the major in Cluj-Napoca and then went to the major in Columbus and got last place.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Just being nice because you were a dick earlier, but keep going.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I think it was Axl.
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Lock in Shiro.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yanko didn't want to say it, so I'm trusting the friend.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I'm just thinking in my head. I'm not saying it out loud. It is happening. You can say it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I didn't say it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Welcome to my life.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No one's saying. It's not true. I've seen both of you drink coffees after dinner at 9 p.m.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Oh, sure. So now there's qualifications.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Is this the second of the show where we just inspect my life? I just wanted to have a coffee. I'm a grown-up.
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No, I think he's basically said it all. I mean, it sucks, man.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Kassad did get all the attention with that tweet.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I'm so confused.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I was going to say, when you have a member of Talon who's just signed as an ambassador of one of your competing teams, it makes complete sense as well. If Talon are going to start having associations with teams, it's like, yeah, bro, you give up your ability to stand behind a team and record a cool piece of content for Twitter, Instagram, whatever.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Like a 12 page playbook just sitting on the table.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
that's why i feel like when i ask you these questions i feel like i'm actually asking striker i'm just hoping that you're like the go-between if there's a long enough delay between when you ask me the question uh if it's via text and me giving the answer normally i've double checked with strikes dude i just like i like alicia's tweet vrs takes a harvard degree to figure it out so do you have a harvard degree i do not i don't have a degree at all okay well
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
If it's an organization a little bit less reputable than HLTV, that shit's everywhere.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Locker talk.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I want to see him without the tooth. I wonder which tooth it was. Hopefully a front tooth because that's the front.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
How do you feel about throwing away this man's tooth? Did you keep the tooth? Do you realize he had to play an entire game of Counter-Strike with a mask on?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Here's the question. Is it going to swing the game in the favor of CTs a little bit more now that they can afford a cheaper and more effective rifle?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
again maybe leaning a little bit too much on hlt it may be accrued a little bit too much power at this point almost feels great in games of counter you just planned some before i did use it quite a bit yeah it's fun it's good it can give you like a nice precise like feeling of like a three bullet burst you can spray with it it runs out of bolts quickly obviously but
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
The MP7's making a comeback after the MP9 nerf. Have you noticed that?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I saw Spirit and Liquid both using it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, but it was not nerds. It was other Liquid players. For whatever that matters to anybody. The big one in that statement was the Spirit players using it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That's Chad leaving around. Middle of the round, yeah.
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How do you sleep at night?
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That'd be the apex happy ending to the group stage.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I kind of enjoy that we're just stopping at the handjob-heavy-ending-tuck-chair thing.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Good show.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
And then at some point we're just going to, we're just going to be live on the HLTV channel.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That's all Joko dropping out. That's the rumor.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
And Joker's had some very good games for them too.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah. That one has... Risky move. I can see Yanko's building up to that. He wanted to make sure we all knew Yanko did beat him in 1v1 at ESL Pro League. Why didn't you say, Yanko?
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That's the old Astralis Furia shit fest. That was a gross ending to that nuke. I watched it back with Harry later that night because he was complaining so much and it was just a terrible ending. It was ugly to watch.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It was. Furia won that series. Or no, sorry. Astralis won that series. And their top rated player in the whole series had a 1.0 rating. They had no one above a 1.0 rating and they won the series. And you watch the end of that nuke and it was like the last five rounds are like three saves from Furia. 3v3, not going for it.
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2v1 like 2v2 not going for it 3v2 not going for it and you're just like what's happening are we going to try and win this game because
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Welcome, everybody, to Talking Counter. Now that we've got that other thing over with, we're here with the real show.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I thought it was solid. Yeah, it was good. Well, the headlines are sick. It'd be fun if everyone brought two.
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Australian man slurps Asian meat. Yeah. That's a great time.
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What are you giggling at?
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He's ready for Counter-Strike.
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making a meme about the vertice pro performance or the electronic performance or how he's moved in game leader of his past two teams and they've all gone to like you once you enter that meme territory it just becomes the fun thing for most people to say i think they've looked i mean i think they got dumpster their first game here if i recall they lost a pain in there yeah yeah they got dumpster but then they've looked good otherwise whenever i've got stores or some like they look yeah but i think that's sore in mibr
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I enjoyed watching VP for the most part of this event. The most frustrating thing about it is, like, it's crazy, like, having spent the whole last year and just being like, now that Electronic just fully has control of the team, it's like you immediately see an improvement. Yeah, they got a few new players as well, so that adds into it as well.
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But, like, just being like, oh, you guys aren't, like, fucking completely lost in terms of who you're supposed to be listening to.
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It was don't talk about the in-game leader situation of Virtus.pro.
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What are you talking about? I was like, no, I will be mentioning that at some point.
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Dude, when I saw Fame giving an interview earlier this event, I was like, that bad?
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But he needs to do it in Russian so he can express himself properly.
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How do you ask follow-ups for that?
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Vibe and that team has taken a 180. They look fucking happy.
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I think Icy's really good, too.
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His game's got to get fleshed out still, but I think he's good for where he's at.
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I was going to say, though, like I have... That game I casted him against ZywOo, he looked like shit.
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No, it's fair, actually. Okay. Okay. I think he looks on. I think he's got a lot of work to do, a lot of places to go, but I think he's a pretty cool offer to watch play.
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Yeah. Twists had some better games, I think.
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He had a couple one-two punches with Rops.
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Yeah, well, I think there's two factors to this event that I think should be kind of kept in mind. I think one, they stripped down their playbook pretty hardcore. Like if you watch that Spirit series, they ran like three plays on the T side.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
They did really well with those three plays, but they stripped everything down to the basics because they felt like things were being overcomplicated with Nerds' edition, I'm assuming, and some of the lead up. So they kind of just took everything back to the basics and just kind of played that really fundamental style.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
um so they'll flesh that out and maybe that'll show some improvement i think also to the spirit game was like uh i know nerds tweeted out that he had he had the flu he was like extremely sick like they didn't know yeah but don't activate yanko's trap card because we always talk about players they're always sick players are always sick no i mean to the extent to where they didn't know if he was going to play in the match he had a 40 fever like the night before they didn't they had mither pack his gear up and bring it to the arena just in case for the studio just in case
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And that's not to be an excuse. I don't know if they would have beat Spirit, but I think this team is going to get better. I don't know by how much. I still think if they want to start beating top five teams consistently and having deeper runs, I think there's probably one more change in the future of this team before they can get to a new ceiling.
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I think maybe the scariest thing, it's still early returns, but you still have that same issue of not being able to contend with the top five teams, being able to beat teams that you should beat and not being able to escalate to beat the top five.
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Yeah, I think the big issue for the AWPer is like, you used to be able to get those angles towards main. And if they smoked you off, there was like another one on the other side of a train, a train down.
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Outer yard and train is crazy.
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It's going to be fun to see how that map evolves though. There will be changes.
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I hate the icon area, camera, whatever you guys want to call it. I hate that whole back area.
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Elish likes to make plays. Oh yeah, for sure. He likes to go for things and make plays, for sure.
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um i i thought they looked fine i thought they looked good i thought elise looked good within the team uh yeah i don't know i didn't really have any kind of like crazy statement on phase to be honest with you well we were on early games i don't think you were on other games too i didn't i didn't cast it no i did some of their stuff or or watched some of the other games
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I just thought it was funny. I said this at lunch earlier today. I just thought it was funny. The first interview he gave in FaZe was just like, yeah, I'm going to have to work on fixing their comms, more like some of the things we had in Complexity. And I wanted to be like, what? They were just in a major final. I mean, they are always crazy.
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Do you think so?
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Our podcast doesn't have a host.
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This might be me talking on my ass, but if I put myself in G2's position and just try and imagine what they're currently experiencing within that team, you just had Niko depart and mobs kind of step into that role in those positions. Yeah.
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mobs has got skills but he doesn't have the experience and he doesn't probably have the big picture approach and i would imagine nico did a lot of help in mid rounds in terms of what he wanted to do so even if there's a round where snacks calls something in freeze time or out of spawn i'm sure nico was like i'm going to get mid control i'm going to try and find a position in con or he's going to be communicating something in the mid round that allows them to do add an extra layer onto what snacks wanted to do and now you're missing that force who can kind of call a play for himself within within the context of what they're trying to do
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across across the whole game right is this a new trend or is this just teams talking about it openly for the first time that i've recognized that i've had because we've always you've always had players and teams that are more comfortable calling maybe a t or a ct side yeah you've had certain teams who have said i do more i'm more vocal on ct sides but now we have coaches and shit saying this is our ct side caller is this a new evolution that teams are saying you're our t side igl and you're kind of our ct side captain only about the you're talking about only about the communication part of it not that actually happening
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Yeah, I guess so.
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It's always been a concept, but it's never been, like, an official, like, role or something. But it's always been, like, this guy understands CT side rotations a lot better, so let him take the helm.
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Well, no, mid-round is just... Because, like, awpers are always going to be vocal about how they want to play a CT side.
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I'm just curious if teams being so vocal about it now. I've never seen a coach come out and say he's our CT side caller before.
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Right, that's the thing. Well, I mean, there's a lot of teams in these tournaments now too, though. So you get a lot of leeway in terms of making sure you have all the proper teams there.
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Yeah, Echo's got something.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
What is it again? The donkey stuck in the mud?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That's a happy little accident. Tell me who's the real winner, Jason. I think Mongols is.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It feels like this Eternal Fire is looking real hot to start the second half of the year as well.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
This move they've made for Jota instead of Kallax has been awesome. Jota showed some... Which makes me feel bad. For Kallax? Just because he stepped up at the end of the, at least in my mind, when I was watching a trial fire games, like the major at the end of the year, I was like, Calix has hit like a new level.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No, he's absolutely not. His impact comes in different areas. And this one was clearly needed, but I am just like, Oh, you did step up your game, but we're still going to be seeing you off. It's fine.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Hello? I'm doing great. How are you?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Imagine if they start sending you bank details. I don't remember putting my number on anything now.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Okay, that's enough.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
oh well we could have pranked it was a little bit serious there for a moment that was like you know i don't know what to say he's just like if you put your number on a coupon last year at any point i was like uh nope there's nothing i can really come back to that yeah yeah that's unfortunate we could have trolled them but uh okay we were talking about something oh eternal fire mongos you're saying mongos tilt blitz
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Mongols, let's go. Yeah, I'm still taking Eternal Fire. Xantaris is playing real fucking good right now. Really good.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That was a joke. It'd be nice to Jason. We had a conversation earlier about like... In terms of game planning and stuff.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
let's let's talk do you want to talk about spirit navi because that's another game yeah did you you cast that one didn't you i did the three mapper yeah it was a banger was that like a game that came down to clutches and or was it did it feel like navi were no it felt like uh navi hung in with them really really well nuke was kind of like that though it could have gone the other way because of clutches man i think navi hung in really well and then towards the end of games even like the dust two loss they took the comeback um and then and then the nuke jl started doing his bullshit where he was just like here's two entry kills
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
See you guys as well on your podcast. What's right. He just sits there and fucking stirs the pot.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
like every like the last like four or five rounds of some of these games he was just like here's two entries here's an upper bombsite here's here's access to this part of the map um he played really well um i think navi they they kind of had like a it was weird like there was that one time out that that they took where blade was just like a lot of focus outside like a lot of begging really yeah really out of it for like the first half of nuke some really tough calls on t side but um they were man those two teams went blow for blow
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It's a sick rivalry. It should be another close, drawn-out affair, I think. There was no clear indication that one team was playing on a different level and someone just barely holding in.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
because like alexis like i talked to alexis after that this is like how do you even recover from that and he's like in the moment like he was basically like in the moment i didn't think we could like i thought that broke us man it's wild because like they both play like that like pretty smart tactical style with like protocols and it just so happens that their protocols always like they're they're so good at reading each other i think because they obviously play each other so many times they played eight series in the past year so like they always are rotating to the right position so there's always a fucking cool battle happening in that match
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
think the nice thing about that matchup is I think Navi is maybe the one team that doesn't have to be like too intimidated by Dust2 pick from Spirit as well. They can compete with him on Dust2.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
play good news is i think zontix is playing pretty well i think zontix had a good series against navi as well he's not like they don't have it's not that look of spirit towards the end of last year right before the major where like you have like no supportive elements kind of firing when zontix looks good magic chopper's looking pretty good he's had a lot of decent really good games actually copenhagen he was good at blasts and here he started out pretty well but i mean yeah they got that's that's obviously very dangerous if it gets to that i'm gonna pick navi
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
The hard part is in that veto, I think every single map except Anubis is in the favor of Spirit, except now Mirage and Anubis are tied.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Dude, I brought that up during the cast because it's always like the map you're like, it's not really worth having it as like your home map because it's an upset map. But I'm like, oh, but I'm watching Spirit just fucking destroy people on it. And I'm like, okay, fair play. Like, I guess that doesn't really matter.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Teams have gotten too good with utility and rotations now for you to be able to like pug and aim Stardust 2 the way that made it such a dangerous upset map.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Nice. Anubis, Dust2, Nuke. And what was the last one?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I haven't. This is new for me.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Of whose odds they agree.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Hello, Lucas.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
like it is possible look if somebody why couldn't we do it is that so if somebody's gonna because he was that good he would be in the fucking final now wouldn't he basically but that's not always how it works okay okay jason hold on i mean nerds was really good until the game versus spirit don't let him get to you i i know i'm fine i'm just saying it's not a crazy thing to be like a 1.6 rating if he gets out in the semifinals but the next person has 1.2 are we that's an insane thing to say
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Why? He said it's not, and he decides the MVP.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Their head-to-head is 2-6. Navi's 1-2. Spirit's 1-8. So the odds are against Navi.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
You're saying 60% chance that Donk does not win the NBA.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I'm going with the head-to-head matchup odds, which is 33%. So it'd be 67% that he doesn't win.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
You know that Spirit is the... I know, but then I did the reverse math with the 64% in the strike.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
They're going to bet off the odds that are made. At the end.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No, I'm just curious.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I haven't heard anything out of him for a while. I haven't either.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Just bottle it up inside and get cancer like everyone else in the world when they deal with their issues.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, what else is going on? Anything?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, dog. I like it. It's pretty good. except there's like a bug right now where I can't like log in.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Well, see, I figure the only way to get people to maintain is actually fucking use it. So I'm going to be one of the people using it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It is. It is. I get punished for that frequently. Um, but you know, it's, it's nice. I like it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No, I'm good. I have a strong mental health compared to these two degenerates.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Best method?
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
That's a wild conversation. Neat and tidy chat.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
You got to do neat and tidy at least.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
uh i've i've tried uh i've tried there's a popular brand that i don't want to you know that we're not sponsored that sponsors everybody though yeah you're gonna sponsor us one day surely i don't think it's that one though yeah actually i have recently had the philips one blade it's nice yeah it's very nice yeah does the trick yeah it does it really does waxing is nice you waxed so you had that clean no not at the moment i was gonna but you that's a regular thing no
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I've never done the Brazilian. Did you do that too? I've never done the Brazilian.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
I've had my crack waxed. That's an experience. You guys should all try that once for Twitch viewers at home. It's a fun, exhilarating feeling. And everyone deserves to have it.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
No, it was more recent than that, yeah.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It wasn't like a forfeit of a bet. It was after 2009. No, I did lose a bet.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
It's going to be a special night for both of us.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
They're in his bathroom on the countertop if you want to go take a look.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Yeah, but in that situation, you have to stay on top of it. You could fucking stab yourself.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
Just making sure, man.
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Episode 123: VRS deep dive, HLTV, IEM Katowice groups, reviewing new rosters
There's no rug to push on.