Steven Bartlett

First and foremost, thank you for having me. It's a real honor in so many ways. But to answer your question, I was born in Botswana in Africa, moved to the UK when we were very, very young. There's four of us, four siblings in my family. My mother's Nigerian, my dad is English. And this is important context because...

You know, having two parents with two different ethnicities plays a role in shaping how you understand yourself. We moved to the southwest of the UK in a place called Plymouth, which was predominantly white. In fact, I didn't know another black family in the area. And it's interesting listening to your upbringing, where you had this healthy, stable, secure attachment to money.

You know, having two parents with two different ethnicities plays a role in shaping how you understand yourself. We moved to the southwest of the UK in a place called Plymouth, which was predominantly white. In fact, I didn't know another black family in the area. And it's interesting listening to your upbringing, where you had this healthy, stable, secure attachment to money.

You know, having two parents with two different ethnicities plays a role in shaping how you understand yourself. We moved to the southwest of the UK in a place called Plymouth, which was predominantly white. In fact, I didn't know another black family in the area. And it's interesting listening to your upbringing, where you had this healthy, stable, secure attachment to money.

I think I very much had the opposite, because in life, generally, we understand the value of things by the context in which we see them. Yeah.

I think I very much had the opposite, because in life, generally, we understand the value of things by the context in which we see them. Yeah.

I think I very much had the opposite, because in life, generally, we understand the value of things by the context in which we see them. Yeah.

so if you go to you know they've done the studies if you go to a restaurant and there's three steaks on the menu we use the expensive one and the cheapest one to make the decision that the middle one is the right one and if you remove one option we make a different decision it's context that helps us to put value in perspective and in the case of my life i we were the black family in a middle class area that ended up losing our money remaining in the middle class area um becoming the poorest family in the area and the black family in the area so at a very young age i internalized this belief that i was less than

so if you go to you know they've done the studies if you go to a restaurant and there's three steaks on the menu we use the expensive one and the cheapest one to make the decision that the middle one is the right one and if you remove one option we make a different decision it's context that helps us to put value in perspective and in the case of my life i we were the black family in a middle class area that ended up losing our money remaining in the middle class area um becoming the poorest family in the area and the black family in the area so at a very young age i internalized this belief that i was less than

so if you go to you know they've done the studies if you go to a restaurant and there's three steaks on the menu we use the expensive one and the cheapest one to make the decision that the middle one is the right one and if you remove one option we make a different decision it's context that helps us to put value in perspective and in the case of my life i we were the black family in a middle class area that ended up losing our money remaining in the middle class area um becoming the poorest family in the area and the black family in the area so at a very young age i internalized this belief that i was less than

And I believed, which I heard you talking about money a second ago, I believed that money was the antagonist in my life. So, you know, I always think that the things that invalidate us when we're younger end up being the things we seek validation from when we're older. And for me, money was one of those things.

And I believed, which I heard you talking about money a second ago, I believed that money was the antagonist in my life. So, you know, I always think that the things that invalidate us when we're younger end up being the things we seek validation from when we're older. And for me, money was one of those things.

And I believed, which I heard you talking about money a second ago, I believed that money was the antagonist in my life. So, you know, I always think that the things that invalidate us when we're younger end up being the things we seek validation from when we're older. And for me, money was one of those things.

I had an unhealthy relationship with it because it was the reason why my parents were screaming. It was the reason why I had so much shame every day going to school. It was the reason why I didn't tell my friends where I lived because if they saw my dilapidated house and the smashed windows and the high grass... it was already hard enough to fit in.

I had an unhealthy relationship with it because it was the reason why my parents were screaming. It was the reason why I had so much shame every day going to school. It was the reason why I didn't tell my friends where I lived because if they saw my dilapidated house and the smashed windows and the high grass... it was already hard enough to fit in.

I had an unhealthy relationship with it because it was the reason why my parents were screaming. It was the reason why I had so much shame every day going to school. It was the reason why I didn't tell my friends where I lived because if they saw my dilapidated house and the smashed windows and the high grass... it was already hard enough to fit in.

And that would just exacerbate the massive further. So that was my context.

And that would just exacerbate the massive further. So that was my context.

And that would just exacerbate the massive further. So that was my context.

Yeah, so my dad had a good job and we'd moved into this area. And my mother got into business. And she left school when she was extremely young in Nigeria. Five, seven, ten years old, roughly. She didn't get an education. So when she... And in Africa, business is, in my mother's village, is... put out a stall and sell everything you have. Business in the UK was different.