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Stephanie Slifer

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48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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It was largely due to Ben's death there, but there was a lot of issues that were identified at that daycare throughout the investigation. Wow.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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And before Melissa filed for clemency, she had what's called a habeas corpus petition pending in federal court. Now, that was filed in 2019. It sat there with no ruling for five years. due to a backlog, we think, partly due to COVID possibly. So Melissa's defense attorney decided to withdraw that petition and go after clemency instead.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Now, if the clemency does not work out, they'll have to go back and refile in federal court.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Yeah, so Melissa's father has really been consumed by this case. You know, he's really dedicated his entire life to trying to free his daughter. And, you know, Crystal, Melissa's sister, tells us in the episode how her parents had to sell a lot of their belongings. We know that her father had a bait and tackle shop. He sold that years ago in an effort to help Melissa.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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So it's just a sad case all around.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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But then the problem with that is now we know all these years later that Ben Kingan may not have sustained a skull fracture because these clear x-rays were found years after the trial and the defense hired a pediatric neuroradiologist who looked at those clear x-rays and said, there's no skull fracture here. And if a skull fracture existed, I would see it in these clear x-rays.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Aaron interviewed... a false confession expert, Dr. Saul Kasson, and he pointed out to us that if in fact Ben didn't sustain a skull fracture, that's what he refers to as a false fact that could have tainted this entire confession.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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We don't know. Right, because recently the defense hired a psychologist and psychiatrist from Yale who evaluated Melissa, and she scored at a 4.8 grade level in sentence comprehension. So that really raises questions as to whether she even knew what was going on or that she had the right to leave or to ask for an attorney.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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The assistant coroner, his name's Paul Foreman. He's the one that actually took the x-rays. And he says that they were clear when he took them. So there's some speculation that maybe he's the one that made the anonymous call. We don't know for sure.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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I just want to say it's interesting the fact that this information came to light through an anonymous call to begin with, because that means somebody knew that these x-rays had been withheld. Now, the prosecutors have questioned whether Paul Kaluzinski, Melissa's father, really did receive an anonymous call. They tried to look into his phone records. They said they couldn't find proof of it.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Yes. Thank you so much for having us.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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But Paul Kaluzinski maintains today that he got that anonymous call. And that's how all of this came to light.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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And frankly, whether there can still be confidence in the verdict from trial is a question for the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, to think about, as well as the Lake County State's attorney, Eric Reinhart. You'll remember from our broadcast that Reinhart recommended to Melissa's defense attorney to hire these forensic computer experts to get to the bottom of the discrepancy between the x-rays.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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And these experts found that the x-rays were manipulated using a software tool used to view x-rays. And their analysis showed that this manipulation was done on the coroner's office computer. Therefore, they put in a report that they believe the state was responsible for manipulating the x-rays. The state meaning either somebody from the prosecutor's office or somebody from the coroner's office.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Thank you. Yeah, it's an important case. So we definitely wanted to be here to talk about it.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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You had to be in the coroner's office to get access to this, according to those experts. So we know that those experts presented these findings to Eric Reinhart in a meeting And what has happened since then? We don't know everything that's gone on behind the scenes, but we do know that after that, Eric Reinhart wrote a letter to the governor's prisoner review board opposing Melissa's clemency.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Well, it's a crazy story, Anne-Marie. I think it started with me just going down a rabbit hole one day trying to find this Brenda. And I found a couple of different Brendas with that same last name. I started calling. I think I called the wrong Brenda multiple times. This woman was like, please stop. It's not me. But finally, I thought I found the right one. But she was not calling me back.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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And I decided to run her name through like the criminal court case lookup in the county where I knew she lived. And it came up that she was supposed to appear for a traffic ticket hearing. And the traffic ticket hearing happens to be during the week that we were scheduled to go there already. We were going to conduct other interviews on the case.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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So it was kind of like the stars were aligning and we decided we're going to just try to go to the traffic ticket hearing. I mean, we were obviously catching her totally off guard there.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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Yes, you're absolutely right that she's never been charged with harming Ben accidentally or intentionally. But we felt it was important to talk to her because it was a lingering question in the case. You know, we knew that her name had been brought up in connection to this prior injury that Ben sustained. The defense has long argued that that prior injury caused his death.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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So we just wanted to see what we could find out about it. See if Brenda remembered anything about Ben bumping his head in her car.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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So there was several daycare workers that were interviewed by police in the wake of Ben's death. And as part of our new report during the research phase, we were going through a lot of those police reports. And there was something that stuck out. There was a daycare worker who told police that at one point she witnessed another child, not Ben, fall off a changing table at the daycare.

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Post Mortem | Unraveling the Case Against Melissa

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And that the child's parents were lied to about the incident and told he fell over while seated on the floor. And the reason that stuck out is because, you know, in interviews with Aaron, Melissa's defense attorney has suggested that the daycare was not honest with Ben's parents about that old injury months before his death.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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It was largely due to Ben's death there, but there was a lot of issues that were identified at that daycare throughout the investigation. Wow.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

1082.532

And before Melissa filed for clemency, she had what's called a habeas corpus petition pending in federal court. Now, that was filed in 2019. It sat there with no ruling for five years. due to a backlog, we think, partly due to COVID possibly. So Melissa's defense attorney decided to withdraw that petition and go after clemency instead.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Now, if the clemency does not work out, they'll have to go back and refile in federal court.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Yeah, so Melissa's father has really been consumed by this case. He's really dedicated his entire life to trying to free his daughter. And Crystal, Melissa's sister, tells us in the episode how her parents had to sell a lot of their belongings. We know that her father had a bait and tackle shop. He sold that years ago in an effort to help Melissa. So it's just a sad case all around.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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But then the problem with that is now we know all these years later that Ben Kingan may not have sustained a skull fracture because these clear x-rays were found years after the trial and the defense hired a pediatric neuroradiologist who looked at those clear x-rays and said, there's no skull fracture here. And if a skull fracture existed, I would see it in these clear x-rays.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Aaron interviewed... false confession expert, Dr. Saul Kasson, and he points it out to us that if in fact Ben didn't sustain a skull fracture, that's what he refers to as a false fact that could have tainted this entire confession.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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We don't know. Right, because recently the defense hired a psychologist and psychiatrist from Yale who evaluated Melissa, and she scored at a 4.8 grade level in sentence comprehension. So that really raises questions as to whether she even knew what was going on or that she had the right to leave or to ask for an attorney.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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The assistant coroner, his name's Paul Foreman. He's the one that actually took the x-rays. And he says that they were clear when he took them. So there's some speculation that maybe he's the one that made the anonymous call. We don't know for sure.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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I just want to say it's interesting the fact that this information came to light through an anonymous call to begin with. Because That means somebody knew that these x-rays had been withheld. Now, the prosecutors have questioned whether Paul Kaluzinski, Melissa's father, really did receive an anonymous call. They tried to look into his phone records. They said they couldn't find proof of it.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Yes. Thank you so much for having us.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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But Paul Kaluzinski maintains today that he got that anonymous call. And that's how all of this came to light.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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And frankly, whether there can still be confidence in the verdict from trial is a question for the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, to think about, as well as the Lake County state's attorney, Eric Reinhart. You'll remember from our broadcast that Reinhart recommended to Melissa's defense attorney to hire these forensic computer experts to get to the bottom of the discrepancy between the X-rays.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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And these experts found that the x-rays were manipulated using a software tool used to view x-rays. And their analysis showed that this manipulation was done on the coroner's office computer. Therefore, they put in a report that they believe the state was responsible for manipulating the x-rays.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Thank you. Yeah, it's an important case. So we definitely wanted to be here to talk about it.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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The state meaning either, you know, somebody from the prosecutor's office or somebody from the coroner's office. You had to be in the coroner's office to get access to this, according to those experts. So we know that those experts presented these findings to Eric Reinhart in a meeting and And what has happened since then?

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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We don't know everything that's gone on behind the scenes, but we do know that after that, Eric Reinhart wrote a letter to the governor's prisoner review board opposing Melissa's clemency.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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Well, it's a crazy story, Anne-Marie. I think it started with me just going down a rabbit hole one day trying to find this Brenda. And I found a couple of different Brendas with that same last name. I started calling. I think I called the wrong Brenda multiple times. This woman was like, please stop. It's not me. But finally, I thought I found the right one. But she was not calling me back.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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And I decided to run her name through the criminal court case lookup in the county where I knew she lived. And it came up that she was supposed to appear for a traffic ticket hearing. And the traffic ticket hearing happens to be during the week that we were scheduled to go there already. We were going to conduct other interviews on the case. So it was kind of like the stars were aligning.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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And we decided we're going to just try to go to the traffic ticket hearing. I mean, we were obviously catching her totally off guard there.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

908.274

Yes, you're absolutely right that she's never been charged with harming Ben accidentally or intentionally. But we felt it was important to talk to her because it was a lingering question in the case. You know, we knew that her name had been brought up in connection to this prior injury that Ben sustained. The defense has long argued that that prior injury caused his death.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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So we just wanted to see what we could find out about it, see if Brenda remembered anything. about Ben bumping his head in her car.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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So there was several daycare workers that were interviewed by police in the wake of Ben's death. And as part of our new report during the research phase, we were going through a lot of those police reports. And there was something that stuck out. There was a daycare worker who told police that at one point she witnessed another child, not Ben, fall off a changing table at the daycare.

48 Hours

Post Mortem | A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

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And that the child's parents were lied to about the incident and told he fell over while seated on the floor. And the reason that stuck out is because, you know, in interviews with Aaron, Melissa's defense attorney has suggested that the daycare was not honest with Ben's parents about that old injury months before his death.