Stefan Passantino
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that includes interfacing with government investigations, oversight hearings, all of those various activities. And so for 30 years, I've been a relatively anonymous lawyer whose job it's been to help people just follow the rules so that they can be heard. They have their opportunity to petition government. That's been my background.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. And what that resulted in, and we've now learned through some fantastic work that has been done by the House, Chairman Loudermilk of the House Admin Oversight Committee,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Uncovered documents that I just would not have believed still existed or would have been turned over to the government, which effectively prove that there was this back channel of conversation between Liz Cheney and her staff, both of whom are lawyers and others, effectively to say, We have more we want to say.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We have more testimony that Cassidy Hutchinson wants to provide, whether that's because she chose to provide different testimony or because she felt, gee, I just wasn't asked the right questions. Whatever the reason was, there was this backline communication that was created, completely unbeknownst to me, that there was going to be an opportunity for another testimony
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
investigation of Cassidy Hutchinson, but most importantly to me, it was a parallel element of, well, not only, hey, I want to change my story and I want to say a lot of really inflammatory things about Donald Trump that I didn't testify to under the previous times when I was before you, but also...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
we're not going to tell my lawyer, this Trump lawyer, that we're having this conversation and we are going to bombard both of you with questions that they had already communicated what those questions were going to be with an effort to try to get me to obstruct Congress in the face of this deposition.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I had a sort of career transforming moment where I went from running the political law compliance shop for months. one of the largest law firms in the world, a big major international law firm that had massive offices on K Street, heading up that political office to being asked by President Trump to be his deputy White House counsel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It was effectively a law enforcement sting operation to get me to effectively block her, drag her out of there, silence her, stop her from testifying in this third interview.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. And the idea was that they were going to not only get these very inflammatory facts, new facts out of Cassidy Hutchinson, but in the process of doing that, were setting up a third interview that I was going to be in attendance at, and at which time Liz Cheney was going to ask Cassidy Hutchinson certain questions that Cassidy had already fed her, saying, these are things I want to say.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And she talks about in her testimony that they knew that I was going to be extremely upset that these questions were being asked. And the expectation was that I was going to obstruct her, that I was going to drag her out. I was going to do something. And they did this on purpose? Clearly on purpose. They testified to it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And with respect to this, it was explicitly an off-the-records operation by Liz Cheney. I had this conversation with her staff afterwards. So you can imagine, we had in the course of... It was in February and March. We had gone through. We'd done her testimony. We'd done her depositions. She'd given the testimony. Those transcripts were out there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And then almost two months later, I get a follow-up phone call saying...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Liz Cheney wants to do a special interview with Cassidy Hutchinson, one-on-one, in-purpose person in the Capitol building, all of which was highly unusual because every other investigation conducted by the January 6th committee was being done either by Zoom or in person with numerous representatives from the committee, their staff, members, if they wanted to attend, could attend.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
This one, I was told, must be in person. It's going to be just Liz Cheney, just her staffer, just me, just Cassidy Hutchinson. And the way that they set this up, you'll remember this is in 2022, when all of the federal government was completely in lockdown because of COVID. There was no public access to the people's house. You couldn't get in.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But we were going to be afforded access for the purpose of this special interview that was going to be conducted. And it was very surreal because... As we were led into this deposition and we walk in, it was the top floor of the Cannon office building. There's a little antechamber off of one of the elevators that was completely closed to the public.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And as we were walking through there, me and Cassie Hutchinson, there were Capitol Police everywhere. I was, and I remember remarking to myself at the time, this is surreal how in a closed office building, there are all of these Capitol Police for this interview that I'm conducting with Liz Cheney. I said, she... It's really surprising she has so much protection in a closed building.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
What I didn't realize is they were there for me. They were there because the expectation was that when Cassidy Hutchinson testified to the things that she had already pre-organized, she was going to testify with Liz Cheney that I might get violent. I might be the one who does something to her. You're going to get violent. That was the expectation.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I am surmising that by the fact that in a closed office building, as I walk into this interview, which was literally only me, Cassidy Hutchinson, Liz Cheney, and Dan George, her staff, and then there was a videographer and a court reporter who were there. It was just us, and there were Capitol Police everywhere.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So for the first two years of his presidency, they decided that they were going to need someone who had been around the block for a little while to help them navigate. Because remember, unlike most presidents,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But the thing that was really interesting and the part that I found particularly unusual is that coming out of that, it was a phenomenon in every one of our interviews that every time after Cassidy Hutchinson had testified while I was representing her, there would suddenly be leaks in real time about the fact she had testified, what a great witness she was.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And my obvious initial assumption is this committee is leaking on me immediately as soon as my client goes in. And it was my job to protect her. My job, she was somebody who had presented to me as saying, I don't want to testify. I don't like the January 6th committee. I don't want to do any of this. How do I get through this process and be able to have a job on the back end?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
That was the mission as it was presented to me. I will testify if I have to, but I want to be able to get through it. But these leaks kept happening. And I kept assuming that it was the January 6th committee. So after this third interview, the one that I'm describing to you, which was, there was only four of us in the room.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Literally, as Cassidy and I are in the cab driving out together, I have on my phone a text message that had clearly come while we were testifying asking me about her testimony. And I was livid about that, that in fact, in real time, somebody's leaking to the press. So I took a screenshot of that. And I sent it to Dan George, the staffer. And I was really upset.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I sent him a text and I still have all these texts. And I said, well, that was really fast. You guys did that. And I had a subsequent conversation where I said, why are you destroying this poor girl's life by every time she testifies, you are leaking about it. And now you're leaking about this third interview. You're destroying any career opportunities she might've had.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And what Dan George told me, he says, I assure you, this was not us who leaked. Nobody on the committee knew we were doing this interview. It was only Liz Cheney and I, and that Dan George said to me, and in fact, the other committee members would probably be upset if they knew that Liz Cheney had done that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And he told me all of that in the context of trying to assure me that they weren't the ones who had leaked in real time the fact that we had gone in. But it was extraordinarily unusual to me that there was- Who did the leaking? Yeah. Well, I can speculate as they say in the horror movies, the call might've come from inside the house. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
incoming governments, which are staffed by people who have been in government their entire lives, and they just continue perpetuating the machine of being government people who are now working in the White House.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It might've been my client who is, and in fact, one of the things that- Oh, you think it was Cassie Hutchinson did that? I have no way of knowing, of course. But what I do know is that in real time, when all of the allegations against me broke, I was reached out to by former friends of Cassidy Hutchins saying, I can't believe what they're doing to you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I have text messages in real time between me, the friend, and Cassidy, in which Cassidy is saying the diametrically opposite. Stefan wants me to cooperate with the committee. I don't want to cooperate with the committee. And also saying, Stefan assures me that the committee's not going to leak.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But I don't trust that I, and this is Cassidy Hutchinson texting to her friend, I'm going to run my own parallel operation. And she identifies, I'm going to have a line of communication with the New York Times and Politico. And she's already talking at the very outset of our representation that she doesn't trust that. that this will stay quiet and that she wanted to run her own investigation.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I filed a defamation lawsuit against Weissman, a MSNBC person. I included all of these... Andrew Weissman.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Who, as you can imagine, when all these stories came out, I had just unending scorn. But one of the things that Cassie Hutchinson had testified to in her deposition when she was talking about me, among all of the negative and bad things that she said about me, some of which...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I think were just not true, but largely a lot of which, and it sounds a little weird coming from me, can be explained as a somewhat impressionable person coming in thinking she's going into an adversarial relationship. But one of the things that came out of that was Cassidy was very, very clear. Stefan never told me to lie. Never told me to lie.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Except in 2016, when President Trump comes in and is not only bringing in people who really don't come from the government background, they come from successful business backgrounds and traditionally not even so much from public companies, just not used to the fact that there's myriad Washington rules that are foreign to anyone who's not been part of that world.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that when Andrew Weissman and others literally tweeted, well, her new lawyers are the good lawyers, unlike the lawyer that told her to lie. Well, I just had had enough at that point. It's like, I'm just not going to be a victim anymore. We have defamation laws for a purpose. I'm going to avail myself of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And in that complaint, the text messages that I've just described to you, I've screenshotted and they're in the complaint. But it was somewhat clear to me from text messages that I've seen that, that there appears to have been from the very outset a messaging operation that was being run by my own client, completely unbeknownst to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Now, I'm basing that on just text messages that I've seen and basing it on the fact that Liz Cheney's staffers assured me nobody else knew that this was happening and they would never leak it because they wouldn't have wanted their own committee to know. And it's ironic. I'm a little almost embarrassed about it now, but in the context of that conversation that I had with Dan George,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I had this, I was sort of, I was still at that point sort of a naive institutionalist Washington lawyer. I had grown up in Washington my whole life. I'd been around that. I had incredible respect for the institutions of Washington, for Congress, for the media, for when Walter Cronkite said something, it was a fact. Incredible respect for the agencies, the State Department, the intelligence.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And so I was still somewhat in that world where I had this respect. And as I'm having this conversation with Dan George, the staffer, I'm saying, I cannot believe you guys were leaking information literally while we're in there, and he was assuring me he hadn't, I had a conversation with Dan George.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I said, Dan George, Dan, you and I are going to work in this town far too long to be playing games with any leaking to the press. And I said, I assure you, I've practiced law for 30 years. This is not how I do business. And I have too much respect for the Congress. And I said, and I have too much respect for Liz Cheney to ever leak.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I asked him at the time, I said, I want you to please go and tell Liz Cheney how much respect I have for her, and that I would never leak something that came out of the committee. Now, Dan George tells me he had that conversation with Cheney.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I don't know if they actually did, but all of these are reasons why, to me, I was confronted with a highly, highly unusual scenario whereby there was this small operation that was done, this small interview, Lots of security, but I didn't think anything of it. At the time, it was unusual, but it moved on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It was only later, after I had been fired as Cassidy's lawyer and after she had testified live on TV, that she subsequently provided lots of testimony describing in detail the nature of our interaction together. And it was in that September interview transcript that I learned all of these back-channel things.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I learned the degree to which there had been communications that had been going on, how they had set up this interview, how they had expected me to block her from testifying, how they had sort of laughed about how... How surprised I was that a lot of these new facts were coming out.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And she literally testifies in that interview that as we're walking out of the Cannon office building, the two of us, we've completed this interview. I didn't obstruct her. The transcripts are there. I never blocked her from testifying. I never... Told her I never created objections to coach her. I didn't do any of those things.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But she literally describes in her testimony, as we're walking out the door, she turns around to Dan George, literally behind my back, saying something to the effect of mouthing, I'm so screwed. And the Dan George mouths back to her, I'm sorry. Now, when I'm reading this in the transcript, and it's all there for anyone who wants to read it, I realize... This whole thing had been a setup.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And if it was simply a question of, well, we just want to get the truth from Cassidy, well, then just fire me, get a new lawyer, let her testify. No, this was very important that I be sitting next to her while she provided this new inflammatory testimony with the eye towards having me obstruct her in some way. Why were they so intent on hurting you? You're just a lawyer. Well...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. Without a doubt. And my job was to be the person who came in and really helped orient people to how do you navigate this bureaucracy that's called Washington, D.C.? How do you deal with all of the rules that regulate getting the job done that you were elected for? So I was The deputy White House counsel, whose job it was to make sure that people understood and followed the rules.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I'm speculating on that, but one could infer that you need to have a reason why testimony changed. Why was it that somebody who provided testimony one way asked open-ended questions where the lawyer didn't obstruct, didn't block the person?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
In fact, in the first two interviews, the only objections I ever raised was when Dan George was asking really incoherent questions and I would say, do you mean this? And he would literally thank me, it's all on the record, you don't have to believe me, Those are the only times I interrupted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But now you have to say, well, now the person who was asked, hey, what happened on the Ellipse and tells one story now wants to tell a very diametrically different story about strangling the president, strangling Secret Service or lots of things.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
These all came out as new evidence.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
That testimony came for the first time, I believe, in her live testimony. That was the sort of very dramatic testimony where she says, you know, they grabbed the clavicle and all of those... That testimony came out live. The two things that... Had she ever told you that before? No. And I want to be fair...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
to Cassidy, which might seem odd that I'm saying that, but I wanna be fair to her because she testifies that in our first meetings, she started to describe to me this traumatic thing that she had heard second or third hand about some incident that had happened in the drive back from the Ellipse and how I had been cutting her off.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Now, I don't have any recollection of that conversation happening between us, but I can also say if she had raised, oh, I'm very concerned that I heard third hand about a thing that I would have cut her off. I said, look, that's not what you're here for. You're a fact witness. Your job is to testify to the facts that you know. You're not an expert witness. You're not a speculation witness.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You're not... a I'm guessing witness, you talk about the facts, they're going to interview every single person who had anything to do with the January 6th incidents. They're gonna talk to the drivers, talk to Secret Service. It's not your job to go and talk about things that you think might have happened.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, here's what we do know. We do know that in real time, immediately after that live testimony, Tony Ornato, who was the Secret Service detailee, I think he was working the chief of staff's office. I think he was like a deputy of operations. He testified immediately, or at least said publicly, that's not true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And there was another really interesting- And Cassie Hutchinson never claimed that she saw it. Oh, she was never. This was a second or third hand.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Just like I heard that... Yeah, it's not hearsay rules. Okay, you're thinking, it's like, well, you can't talk about an out-of-court statement. The rules are a little more wide open than that. You can talk about hearsay, and I would allow witnesses to describe, I heard Fred say X, Y, Z happened. Well, that's something you heard. You are absolutely entitled to testify to all of those things.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Now, of course, fast forwarding, it became entirely too delicious. If you have the opportunity to make ethics allegations against Trump's ethics lawyer, that's a story that's too good to check. And so I became known after having gone into that work and having worked for the president. I did that for two years. And then I moved effectively to the other side of the gates.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But what happened in this case is... is she testified about, I had heard that this happened. Well, the people who would have told her that said, I didn't talk to Cassidy, and that didn't happen. And I knew I was in trouble. I want to back up a little. When I knew that I had just sort of gone from, this was just another client and just sort of an unusual set of circumstances... I had been fired.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I had been very publicly fired because I was a Trump lawyer and she had put out very publicly, I want to testify. I don't feel comfortable having this Trump lawyer. All fair. I mean, that's perfectly her right to do. And then she had given this very dramatic testimony that had been refuted by people who were physically there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I was representing another witness, another very junior witness who had been working in the White House on January 6th, who had been very closely interrelating with the operations people. This is in, so you imagine those, that testimony happened in say June that she testified live on TV. In July, a month after this had happened, I'm still representing witnesses before the committee.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
One of these witnesses who had been working in the White House had been asking, and we went through an entire deposition. And the deposition ends in a very standard way where the investigator says, hey, have you had any other conversations with any witnesses about your testimony today? Have you ever talked to Trump about your testimony? No, I've never done that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It's a very standard set of questions. Have you talked to anyone about your witness other than your lawyer? And he says, no, no, no. He says, oh, wait. He says, actually, I did talk to somebody. He says, immediately after Cassidy Hutchinson testified live on TV, Tony Ornato called me and said, this makes no sense to me. I don't understand. Why is she doing this? What have we missed?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
He testified, and this is all in the transcript. It's all out there. But I'm sitting there as now the lawyer that the committee knows used to represent Cassidy Hutchinson, was fired because I'm a Trump lawyer, I'm now representing a different witness who is testifying.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I had no knowledge that he was gonna provide that testimony, but he's now testifying that in real time, either while Cassidy was on TV or in the immediate aftermath, The fact witness with knowledge had called this young person and said, this isn't true. Now, you can imagine for me, as I'm sitting representing this witness, all of the eyes in the Zoom come to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that was when I realized I'm in trouble here because I heard my witness say,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
give a story that's inconsistent with the star witness she had already testified on tv she was already the star witness for the committee i knew they can't bury that nugget the way they could have buried everything else because i heard it and when i saw all of the eyes on that zoom turned to me was when i knew i am now an inconvenient truth for this because i heard him testify
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Coincidence or not, within a month, I received a DOJ subpoena, criminal subpoena. I'm the subject of a criminal investigation. I also received- This is insane. Yes. And I received an email, of course, that I still have, from Dan George again, saying, we're really concerned that you've been sharing information between clients. We think you have a conflict of interest. And I responded to him.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I said- A, lawyers who represent witnesses would have the ability to share information. There's no secret about that. I said, but here, Dan, I'm telling you, I did not tell this young person to say that story. He said that story. I'm telling you it didn't happen. Who is Dan George, exactly? So, Dan George is a lawyer. I think...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I helped represent the companies that were in the crosshairs. I did a lot of work for the Trump organization. And I did a lot of work for companies that wanted to interact and engage with the government. But I was no longer a government worker. I went back to being a practicing lawyer in Washington, D.C., And one of the things that that came along is the January 6th
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I think that he, I mean, he was one of the senior lead investigators. I worked with him on a number of witnesses. The part that was a little shocking to me is- He's a congressional staffer. He's a congressional staffer who then went to the Department of Justice after this. I think he might, I don't know for sure. I think he was working with Jack Smith. I think he might be now in the U.S.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Attorney's Office. He might be an assistant U.S. attorney in Connecticut or somewhere. I don't know. But he was in Department of Justice before. He was then- He sounds dishonest. We had a very good rapport. I was surprised by what was happening. And he and I had worked together on some very sensitive things, and I thought we had something of a level of trust. I just know the things that happened.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I know that right after this young witness gave that testimony that directly contradicted the star witness, that I received a phone call from Dan George back... basically saying they were very concerned that I had been feeding this information. And then I got a confirming email from him saying, we had this conversation, you denied that you've shared it. That's all fair enough.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But that was when I knew that I was in trouble. And then out of the blue, I start getting DOJ criminal subpoenas that I'm suddenly under criminal investigation. I have no idea what for. I clearly had been part of doing a lot of work representing a lot of Trump-aligned committees. I'd done a lot of work for the super PACs. There was a lot of talk of how was money flow happening.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It was, in my mind... still a legitimate area of inquiry for the Department of Justice. I didn't really think a lot of it at the time. Clearly, I'd never been the subject of a criminal investigation in my life. I don't hope to be again. But that conversation then happened. I then had to hire a lawyer to start providing all of the information. One of the things that was really interesting is the...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
from the DOJ, you know, we want to know all of your communications with Tony Ornato, which I'd never had any. And we want all of your text messages and signal messages and everything with Cassidy Hutchinson and all of your other witnesses that you would write. I was clearly getting a forensic criminal audit from the Department of Justice.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
was responding to that, but still didn't have super high blood pressure. I just thought that's just a cost of life of working in Washington and being a Trump lawyer. If you haven't been subpoenaed, I guess you haven't really practiced law in Washington, D.C., I guess. But it was only...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Later, when out of the blue, I learned that I was effectively going to be made the fall guy for obstruction, all of the obstruction that had happened for Cassidy Hutchinson. And that happened right... As a way to explain...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
investigation comes along, and that committee blanketed Washington, D.C. with subpoenas.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You see a lot of the very big names all having been called in to testify, but there were some 2,000 people that were called before the January 6th committee, including very low-level staffers, very low-level campaign workers, all of whom got knocks on the door from the FBI handing them subpoenas, and all of whom were saying, hey, well, since I'm here...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
One could infer that that was in fact the purpose. And what had happened, which was shocking, the part that really just sort of upended my world and made me then realize the degree to which the institutions were all aligned to create a narrative that
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
to further a political purpose as opposed to anything else was, I think this was by December of 2022, I get a phone call from Pam Brown of CNN, who I had known previously, saying, hey, the committee has been talking that they are going to out the various people who are obstructing Congress, obstructing Cassidy Hutchinson. We are going to identify those people. I said, well, that's
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Great, but I didn't have anything to do with that. And she says, no, we, CNN, are in possession of a transcript that Cassidy Hutchinson gave, a 150-page transcript that she gave on September 14th, in which she identifies you, Stefan, as the person who told her to lie, who couched her to say, I don't recall when I do all of these things. We're going to run with that story. And I said...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
handing you the subpoena, you want to just talk a little bit about your role as a junior campaign person or a junior staffer or X, Y, Z within the White House. They were all getting brought in before this net.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, I'm telling you, I know nothing of these allegations. I've never heard these allegations. The January 6th committee never called me as a witness. They called 2,000 people. They never called me in. If this is a fact-finding mission, you would think that perhaps I would be called at a minimum to be told. Especially since you're being accused of a crime. Yes.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
literally a crime, two crimes, a felony of obstruction, witness tampering. These are felonies. And CNN tells me, we're going to run a story tomorrow in which we are going to identify you as the person who obstructed this witness. We're going to accuse you of a crime. Of course, I was shocked. I said, I've never heard this. I can't really provide a lot of comment.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, on that Monday, as the story is breaking- So your world is collapsing. My world has not yet collapsed. I, at that point, have now received notice from CNN that tomorrow, Tuesday, they're going to identify me as the person. On that day, on Monday, I receive a phone call from one of Cassie Hutchinson's former friends saying, this is outrageous what they're doing to you.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I have text messages that I have previously provided to CNN and other news networks. And these text messages make clear that you, Stefan, were telling Cassidy to cooperate and she didn't want to cooperate. Now, I have a conversation at that point with Caitlin Polance at CNN, who's the CNN reporter who's running this story before it had come out. And I called Caitlin myself. I said, Caitlin,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I am aware that you're going to run this story that is going to literally accuse me of a crime. And I'm aware that you have a transcript that I have never seen before that is going to make these accusations. But I'm also aware that you are in possession of text messages that directly contradict that narrative. You have Cassidy's text messages saying, Stefan wants me to cooperate.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I don't want to cooperate. I am going to be the one who's going to do this media narrative myself. on my own behind his back. And so I'd say, Caitlin, I said, I'm not asking you to exonerate me, but if CNN is going to run a story identifying me as a criminal and you are in possession of additional facts that create exculpatory documents, you have an obligation to run that.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And Caitlin Polance's direct quote to me was, that's not newsworthy. I said, how is that not newsworthy? This is directly relevant. She said that to you? She said that to me. Caitlin Polance? Caitlin Polance of CNN, who is still there at CNN. And I then had my lawyer communicate and have numerous conversations where I say, I know.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. Did not deny. Said it was not newsworthy. So then... At that point, I know- This is just crazy.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. And it is clear to me that CNN has received confidential congressional documents pertaining to me that I have never seen. CNN had had, for however long it was, CNN had had this transcript to work on the story. I had no idea of these allegations.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, it gets worse for me, unfortunately, which is that story then comes out the next day. And you can imagine what a bombshell it is.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Oh, never. To this day, never. And in fact, the things that I begged CNN... What liars, what corrupt liars CNN is. Yeah, I begged CNN. I said, you're going to release a transcript in which a witness is saying that I coached her to lie while I was representing.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You have in your possession the actual transcripts of me representing her at a minimum post those two so that the public can see, well, let me actually read the transcript of Stefan representing Cassidy Hutchinson and let me judge for myself whether he did the things he was accused of doing.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I have text messages with Pamela Brown saying, please, I'm begging you, if you're going to destroy my career and you're going to put up this transcript accusing me, at least put up the others. To this day, I don't think that they have.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
She was a producer. I think that she's moved on. She might have been the one who reached out because she had known me previously.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
She was not. She is an on-air person. Right.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah. She has a news program and I think she took a hiatus because she was having a child or children. But I think she's back on the air. But I think her involvement might have only been that she was the one who... was calling me to just let me know that this was coming and then saying, but you need to call Caitlin because she's running this. So I begged them, please put this up.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I think if you go on CNN today and you say Cassie Hutchinson transcript, the only thing that comes up is the September transcript accusing me. I don't think you could even find those here. But this is where it became clear that there was this interplay. Not only did I realize that on the day these allegations came out, CNN had all of this already.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So Liz Cheney, who was, I guess, technically the vice chair of the January 6th committee, which is, I don't think actually technically a constitutional role, but she was one of the people who was running the January 6th committee. And as they had been blanketing Washington, D.C.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And it was not lost on me that a lot of the people who were on the January 6th committee who might potentially have had reason to give this to CNN are now all contributors. Kinziger is over there. Alyssa Farah Griffin is now a contributor over there. Some of these- They're all being paid by CNN. Some would, yes, clearly being paid.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But what was particularly painful for me was two hours after that story breaks, I then get a notification from the District of Columbia Bar saying, this is to notify you that we have an open bar investigation relating to all of this conduct within three hours. The DC bar does not operate within three hours based on seeing something on CNN for the first time.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It is clear that in addition to working with CNN before breaking this story, the January 6th committee or somebody was also working with the various bar organizations that I'm a member of to set this story up. I literally received bar complaints every created on their own accord within hours of this story breaking. That does not happen unless they have been forewarned that all of this is coming.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that is the real core concern, that it is fundamental to this democracy that everyone have effective assistance of counsel. Everyone has the right. It does not matter if you are a Guantanamo detainee or if you're a Republican. You are entitled to... even if you might be out of favor with the establishment elite.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And as Shakespeare said in Henry VI, if you want to destroy a society, the first thing you do is kill all the lawyers. Well, that's what's happening now. One, within... I would say within a few months, I started getting bar complaints filed against me by the various institutional organizations set up. There's a group called the 65 Project, which filed bar complaints.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And the 65 Project is named because these are the 65... lawyers that they originally filed bar complaints who had been working with President Trump out of 2020. They advertise.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
To this day, if you go on the 65 Project website, you will see they proudly advertise a six-figure ad buy that's running right now in the six swing states destined for Republican lawyers saying, do not represent President Trump. You will be disbarred. Do not represent any of these conservatives. We are watching you. That is on their website right now.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
with subpoenas, lots and lots of very, very young people would come back into talking to the folks which colloquially are called in Trump world, hey, I just want to talk to you. I just got contacted by the FBI. They want me to come testify. I have no idea what to do.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, it's a group. There's a lawyer out of Utah. I'm actually... I filed a bar complaint against him just recently for this. But these are groups that are designed to intimidate Republicans against representing conservatives. And the whole idea is... It is extraordinarily difficult to get a big law lawyer to represent a Republican. It's just, we can't get those people.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You can't be a lawyer in a white shoe or a major law firm and represent a Republican. And this is explicitly advertised. Within maybe a month after I received this 65 Project bar complaint, I get a phone call at 7.30 in the morning from the New York Times saying,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
we're going to run a story about a group called Lawyers Defending American Democracy that has filed this very, very in-depth bar complaint against you. Would you care to comment? That was at 7.30 in the morning. By 8.30 in the morning, the New York Times was running this
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
multiple-page complaint alleging, accusing me of numerous crimes, lots of bar violations, saying very proudly, we filed these bar complaints. And this is signed. And you can imagine, I've been an established lawyer my whole life. I revere these institutions. They got more signatories on that complaint. And it's all online. I don't particularly want anyone to read it, but it's there.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
The bar complaint was signed by, I think they got more than the 51 former intel officers. It was filed by former attorneys general, Former deans of various law schools, multiple past presidents of various bars. This who's who of the glitterati of the legal profession, all of whom sign on to this letter. Like I said, law professors, former state senators, former attorneys general.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And what was, of course, most concerning to me was four past presidents of the D.C. bar had signed on to a letter. knowing nothing about me other than what had been fed to them, accusing me of crimes to take my license away.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, for me, imagine now really, I have to now defend my bar license before the DC bar against a complaint signed by 60-some luminaries, including four past presidents of the very bar that I'm going to be defending myself against. It's pretty easy to feel like the entire world is arrayed against you. You have no chance whatsoever."
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Now, I have to say, in all fairness, I was pleasantly surprised at how professional the D.C. Bar and the Georgia Bar were. They conducted a thorough investigation of me and all of these facts. And even in light of all of this happening, the D.C. Bar dismissed my cases with no discipline. I was shocked because I was too cynical at that point to believe that they were doing it.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And so there was a process for some of the younger lawyers to say, well, let's try to find lawyers for these people who will just help them navigate this investigation getting brought before the January 1st trial.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And they are explicitly messaging it. Today, as we're talking right now on the 65 Project, they have proudly, we are running this campaign in the swing states geared where big law lawyers and the partners at these law firms and these lawyers are going to see it. threatening them, do not represent Trump in any post-election challenge because we will come after your license.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that is clearly an effort to intimidate lawyers against defending anyone's rights, clearly President Trump's rights. It's running in the swing states. They're proudly doing it right now. It's not speculation why they're doing it. They're proudly doing it. And it's having the desired effect.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It's very difficult now to get a lawyer who's willing to do election integrity work for Republicans because you know you're putting yourself in the crosshair of this institutional machine. Now... When, you know, clearly CNN breathlessly reported how I was subject to all of these bar complaints.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
They never reported that I was cleared of those claims or that my bar was never in jeopardy and that I never received... They never wanted to report any of those things. It's only the story and then move on. But for me, the damage was incalculable. For me... it was impossible to have faith and trust in clients. But it's a concerted effort, and it was one that continued.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Oh, very real. I mean, as you can imagine, I had criminal complaints against me. I've had bar complaints against me. I also filed my own lawsuit against the federal government for all of these things. And it's unusual. I filed that lawsuit 18 months ago against the federal government. It takes a long time to do this.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I made a lot of factual allegations in that complaint because I knew them to be true in my head. I had lived that experience, but I had no expectations I was going to be able to prove it. It was basically one person's word against an entire industry's word as to what had happened. I was shocked at, and I filed that complaint anyway. I made all of these allegations that I'm describing here.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
No, no, absolutely. These are the people who happen to have been working in the Trump campaign in 2020 or had been working in the White House in 2020 or in some way had something to offer with respect to the dynamic.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I made those allegations in writing 18 months ago. Well, Chairman Loudermilk, I have no idea how doggedly conducted investigation, and he actually produced all of the text messages between Liz Cheney and Cassidy describing everything that I had put in my complaint. I never thought it would happen.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Why would I assume that Cassidy Hutchinson, while she's doing this, is screenshotting signaled encrypted communications from Liz Cheney and turning them over to Congress? I had no expectation that she would do that, but she did.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, so what I firmly believe happened, and I've filed a bar complaint against Liz Cheney on this, and this is all spelled out. This prohibition, if you're a member of Congress and you write the laws of the country, you have the privilege of shielding yourself from a lot of the consequences of your own actions. It's built right into the Constitution, a speech and debate clause.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You cannot go after a sitting member of Congress for anything they do in furtherance of a legitimate legislative purpose. I don't think this was that, but put that as it may. But it's also very, very difficult to go after a member of Congress for things that they have done. And that's probably appropriate that that's the case. But she is a member of the bar.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I have black and white evidence that, in fact, she acted in a way that's contrary to her professional obligations. We have filed the America First Legal. It's done a fantastic job. It's all up on their website. You can read all of it. articulating all of the various ways that the various lawyers who were involved were clearly violating their fiduciary obligations to the bar.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But to me, it's not even so much... that what I am most concerned with is it was clear to me that it became politically expedient. It became necessary in order for the political narrative to be presented to the United States that this witness is presenting this bombshell testimony and is unimpeachable in the face of all of the other evidence that might make it impeachable.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It became politically expedient to destroy me.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And the United States Congress and all of the mechanisms of this legislative, not law enforcement body, was working with CNN and bar groups to bring all, and all of the media attention that they had the ability to bring, and I didn't even know there were allegations, all of the might of the federal government was brought to bear to deny me life, liberty, and property with no due process of law whatsoever.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Oh, yeah. Nobody who I was representing was at a protest. Everyone who I was representing were people who had either worked in the White House or had worked for the Trump campaign.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Even putting aside this constitutional separation of powers that you had talked about before, which was the legislative branch is supposed to legislate, the Department of Justice, if they had simply just done a referral, and of course, Both Cassidy Hutchinson testifies that she did a criminal referral. Liz Cheney told ABC News that she had done a criminal referral on me.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Fair enough, that's the job because the Department of Justice has 250 years of regulations that are designed to protect the due process rights of the accused. The DOJ will never comment on or confirm that there's an ongoing investigation And that's designed to protect the rights of the innocent. Of course. And those rules are there because the Department of Justice's job is to enforce the law.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, Congress circumvented all of that with regard to me. They went right from, we need to present a narrative. We need to destroy this person. We are going to use, and literally, they highlighted the day before that this was going to come out. they had been rolling out transcripts of all of the various testimony.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
On that Tuesday, whatever that was, the 22nd or whatever of December, it was right before Christmas. It was horrifying, the hate mail that one receives on Christmas. I received so many, beyond like just death threats, but so many lawyers emailing me saying, you're a disgrace to the legal profession. And I'm thinking to myself,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
you're a lawyer, you just tried, convicted, executed me without ever hearing from me, without affording me any due process or a right to confront my accuser, and you're accusing me of being the disgrace to the bar? You're the one who is circumventing all of these things that you were trained in law school. And that's effectively what Congress did as well.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I just want to be clear on that. a narrative of what was happening inside the White House, what was happening inside the campaign from the election in 2020 through January 6 and afterwards, and to try to create a political narrative of what was happening.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It was a concerted effort to create a political narrative, and I was a very inconvenient truth to that. And the fact that the United States Congress, a legislative body, was able to marshal all of those resources in an unconstitutional way to destroy me, there's... I've been in practice a long time. I have a lot of very influential clients. I'm a relatively connected person.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
If Congress can destroy me at a whim, they could do that to anyone. And nobody would want to live in a world where either a single member of Congress or a single committee of Congress could select
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
an individual citizen and say, we select this person for execution and we are going to marshal all of the legislative resources we have in conjunction with outside bar groups and in conjunction with media organizations. And we're going to create a narrative that is unrecoverable. No one would listen to me, of course, for an entire week after that.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You couldn't even turn on the television afterwards. It was panel discussions of, well, Stefan broke the law and he's a lawyer. Should he be disbarred before he goes to jail or should he go to jail and then be disbarred? That was the panel discussion. The give and take was which should happen first.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, I mean, certainly MSNBC. But it was... There was a lot of omission to me. I had fairly good relationships with a lot of reporters, a lot of print from New York Times and Washington Post and who knew that this story, they knew me, but just, I can't report. My producers, we'll never get this past the editors. I somewhat... And you can imagine it's not just me who's going through this.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I've been married for 30 years. I have grown children. I have children who are just about Cassidy's age. And I have to sit and I lived this experience. I knew what happened between us. imagine the faith that it takes and the loyalty that it takes for my wife and for my children to sit and watch on TV these accusations. This is the criminal thing that your dad did or your husband did.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I'll tell you another anecdote, which is, I mean, it was one of the sort of most traumatic parts of this whole experience. Been there. Yes, traumatic experience. So I go through all that. And at the time that all of this is coming out, I am an active subject of a criminal investigation. I'm clearly anticipating that there are going to be litigation is going to be happening.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I'm actively pursuing my own lawsuit. I can't speak at that point. And I know if I do, it's my word against an entire world's word. And I have no doubt that at the end of our relationship, Cassidy Hutchinson was... taping me. I have no doubt that they have the ability to pull out snippets.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And sort of one of the 101 investigative rules is always start with the junior, youngest, most people, intimidate them, get them to say things that you can then use to create a political narrative or whatever the narrative was. And I was...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Now, what happened was, now that all these text messages come out that completely track everything that I said, that the text messages that Chairman Loudermilk has produced exactly track the conversations that I was having with Cassidy, where she was saying, oh, Stefan's telling me this. It's exactly the things that I was telling her. It's in real time.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It was only later after I'd been fired that all of this changed. But... This all happens and I'll remember that I said, well, I'm not going to say anything. I'm just going to lay low. I'm anonymous. I'm just going to lay low. Fast forward perhaps a year. On the day that my dad died, I get a notification, Cassie Hutchinson's coming out with a book.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And the teaser of the book is explicitly says, and she's going to talk about her interplay with the Trump lawyer who told her lie. So all of a sudden I realize, and of course it's on the day that my father passed away, I'm going to have to relive this entire experience again. And a book tour again. And all of this is, and I am powerless. And I remember thinking,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
that it was extraordinarily traumatic. I think her first was, she goes on Rachel Maddow the first time, is like sort of the first launch from this book tour. And I'm sitting there on the sofa with my wife, and I know whatever words come out of her mouth with Rachel Maddow in this live interview, I'm going to own, my wife is going to own, my children are going to own for the rest of their lives.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Whatever allegations are made, I'm going to own. And she went through and she told the story. Now at this point, The story that she told in the original September transcript got watered down a little bit for the book and the book was still pretty horrific, but it was watered down version of the September.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But I remember watching this with my wife and it's just an act of faith for my wife to sit here with me and just stay with me for this. But I remember at the end of that first commercial break, and I'm sitting on the sofa with my wife watching the Rachel Maddow thing.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And Rachel Maddow says, and when we come back from break, Cassie is going to discuss the seven men who sexually assaulted her in the course of her interaction with the Trump world. Cut to break, come back after.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
The seven men or five men or whatever it was. It's what's on the tape where they say, that's the topic of conversation, the men who sexually assaulted her. And I'm sitting here and I'm looking at my wife- And I say, I promise you, I never touched her. I promise you. But the trauma of it was if she had chosen- This is so nuts. To identify me as one of the people who had... I was defenseless.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I'd represented a few of those fairly significant folks, but mostly I was being asked to help these very, very young people who were just getting hailed before this committee to try to give testimony.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I couldn't have denied it if she had said we'd had a relationship or that I had done something untoward. I was helpless. There was nothing that I could have done. Now, fortunately, she never said any of those things. She said that about other people.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But it highlights the trauma of going from a fairly well-respected lawyer who doesn't mind going to the grocery store and being seen by their friends to having everyone... Did he do these things? Is he really a criminal? And... you know, all faith and credit to her for sticking by me and to my kids.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And it was somewhat shocking to me the degree to which millennials now, they don't have the same reverence for media. I remember sitting down saying, hey, some really bad stuff is going to come out about dad and it's not true. And they're like, we don't believe that. Don't worry about it. And I remember them making the joke to me. It's like, we didn't think you were cool enough to get canceled.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I was like, yeah, well, I guess I did get canceled. But
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
They don't.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So, okay, now this might shock you. It's very possible to take a pretty charitable view of the circumstance that surrounded Cassandra. She testifies at length about a very conflicted trouble, things that I had no knowledge of at the time when I was representing her. But when she gave her September transcript, what she describes
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
is this traumatic fear of having been a Trump person who thought she was gonna go down and work in the office of the former president down in Mar-a-Lago, didn't get that job, had difficulty finding a job, because anyone who comes with the Trump label has a very difficult time getting a job. And then she gets wind that she's going to be receiving the subpoena.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I didn't know any of this, but she testifies to it that she's traumatized about the consequences and that she talks about how she went to all these different lawyers trying to find a lawyer who would represent her and how these lawyers for what should have been a one-day deposition were asking $150,000 retain, just this traumatic experience of finding a lawyer.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Oh, yes. No question. I literally, they would hand subpoenas. And I had one very young, she was working in the campaign office, couldn't have been more than 23, 24 years old, who told me the story of Not only did the FBI show up unannounced at her door, but when she answered the door, the FBI said, well, while we're here, you mind if we just ask you some questions about what you were doing?
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Exactly. And she also testifies how she's having these conflicted conversations with her mother, with a former member of Congress saying, don't sell out. Don't let Trump people represent you. Once you sell your soul to the Trump people, they're going to own you. And she testifies that she brought to our relationship this baggage. that she had finally given up.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
She couldn't afford to hire her own lawyer. She finally had to sort of let the devil into the house and hire me to represent, have me represent her. And that she was extraordinarily conflicted. She came into our relationship with an adversarial mindset that I was completely unaware of. She thought... everything she told me, I was going to turn right around and tell Trump.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So, of course, you're going to go and tell that person everything you think Trump wants to hear. I don't want to testify. I just want to be loyal. I just want to get through this. I just want to have a good job. Those are all things she said to me, and they're all things she put in text messages to all of her friends. Those text messages are all out there now.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But it's very easy to see how someone would come into the relationship not trusting their own lawyer.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And she testifies. Of course, she testifies numerous times about all the different times she lied to me during the relationship. But I was shocked to learn that while I was representing her,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
The degree of the conflict was such that when I would stand up and go to the men's room while we were doing a prep session, she testifies, she went onto my computer to look up all of my emails to see who my clients are. Like she was running an investigation on me, literally behind my back. Now I'm not making that up. That's in her testimony. That's crazy.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I had no knowledge that there was this adversary relationship. And for me, She comes in, my job, like I had for numerous other people, a single message. I come in. I tell what I know. I don't speculate. Every lawyer gives the same advice. Anyone who's ever been deposed gets the same advice. Your job is to tell the facts as you know them. You don't speculate. You don't guess.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You wait for the next question to be asked. You're not to go and find new facts. You wait for their question. You answer honestly that question. You wait for the next question. If you don't know the answer to a question, it's perfectly appropriate to say, I don't know the answer to that question. Every lawyer gives some version of that admonition. Of course, of course. Just like I did.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But if you come into a relationship with this hostile mindset that this person is not my lawyer, this person is somebody else's lawyer, and I'm forced to work with them, when the lawyer gives that same admonition to say... I don't want you to go and seek out facts. I literally said to her, because she wanted to like put together calendars. She wanted to do internet research.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I literally said, ironically, it's not your job to write the book on January 6th. I literally said that to her. I said, they're going to interview thousands of witnesses. And those thousands of witnesses are all going to tell their version of the facts and create the mosaic. You only tell the facts that you know. You don't guess. But if you...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
are coming in to say, expecting to be misled in furtherance of somebody else's objective, and you're a 25-year-old who's never been through this, I guess it's possible that you could feel like, oh, he's wink-wink telling me what to do.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So it's possible to, now, clearly, and when you look at the text messages between Cassidy and Alyssa, as they're describing the back channel, all of the things that Chairman Loudermilk has now uncovered, you can see they're having that exact conversation. Stefan says, well, if they're going to bring you in for a third interview, we can't make it look like you're eager to do a third.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
You'll never get a job. So Stefan's going to tell Dan George, we're only going to comply with a subpoena. We're ultimately going to comply, but I want you to have a subpoena so you can tell people later. They described this whole conversation entirely accurately. Those were the conversations we were having.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
What was President Trump doing? What was the campaign doing with respect to messaging about January 6th? Which to me as a lawyer, correct. There was a... Was this girl at January 6th? This girl was a campaign worker. So she was helping to put out, doing junior research of...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
sometime between that June 6th, when all these text messages happened, June 8th or 9th, whenever I got fired. And thereafter, things became dramatically different. By September, she was giving testimony to Liz Cheney, accusing me of crimes and accusing me of telling her to lie. Things that just, as Chairman Larry McFaul, just don't hold up.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, no. And I'm guided to a great extent by, again, Chairman Loudermilk. The whole Loudermilk House Admin Oversight Committee investigation, to some extent, and he'll have to speak for himself, I might have started some of that in that when all these allegations came out about me alleging that when I was representing Cassidy, I was doing all of these coaching activities.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
what was now colloquially called the Stop the Steal effort, that they were going after these younger folks trying to find out what it was that they were talking about. And to me, as a lawyer, in order for the system to work, Full transparency also requires that people's rights be protected. And that includes the right that you have somebody there who's protecting your interests.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I said, well, there's videotape. All I need to do is get the videotape and show it, and that will exonerate me. And I was having trouble getting that videotape. So I called up Chairman Loudermilk, and I said, look, I just need some help on this. There are documents that I need for a matter that's personal to me that I'm working on. Can you get me the videotapes of my representation of Cassie?
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Because that will... to my extent, to a large extent, vindicate me. And he said, okay, sure, we'll get that. And he realized, he's like, they're all destroyed. Like he realized not only were the documents, these videotapes all destroyed, and this is not speculation. He has letters from Benny Thompson saying, we destroyed the videotapes because we got advice.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We didn't have to keep- Videotapes of what? Of all the witnesses who were deposed, right? So when I was- Sitting next to all of the witnesses who provided testimony.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, you would wonder why. Now, what the committee says, well, we've saved the transcript, so we didn't need to keep the video.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yes.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, that's what Chairman Loudermilk has made his mission, and he has been dogged in that. And it is Chairman Loudermilk, if I can speak for him, firm conclusion that, in fact, the evidence was manipulated.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, well, I mean, that's perhaps an issue above my pay grade, but at the same time, things were destroyed. In fact, as I recall, perhaps even... This is insane.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, I heard a rumor, and you can tell me if it's not true, that when some of your producers first started looking through the videotape, there were all sorts of annotations and there were all sorts of cross-references to allow it to be searched. Nobody knew that it was someone affiliated with you was looking at it.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And that then subsequently when it was learned that perhaps an outside force associated with you was looking at the videotape, all those annotations disappeared. Yes. That might be false, but that's what I heard.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
If you are a junior person who might have something to offer with respect to what happened in January 6th, query to me whether the January 6th even served a legislative function at all, but stipulating that it was there for some legislative purpose.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I think one of the lessons to take from this is that never again should there be a congressional committee that's not bipartisan. Now, if there was an error that was made, the fact you cannot have Congress running a what is quasi criminal investigation like this ever again.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I don't know. Again, I'm just reading the newspaper like everyone else at this point on those issues.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah. Well, clearly that clearly anything that's conducted in the name of the people belongs to the people, just like the building in which that investigation is conducted. Oh, the people's house. Exactly. And the investigation belongs.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I mean, again, I don't know for sure, but certainly what I had heard was that as Congress was turning over, there were a number of documents that were in the possession of Congress that. were going to be shipped off to the archives, but they knew that when the new incoming Speaker McCarthy took power, that he was just going to call those documents back from the archives.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And so what happened, and again, I don't know this firsthand, but what I'd heard was that a lot of these documents were then shipped over to the executive branch It's so corrupt, it's hard to believe this is our government. It certainly had a corrupting impact on me in terms of what happened, how government abused power in a way that should not happen.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But it also... You cannot have an ostensible truth-finding organization that has a political objective. The two are not compatible. If you're going to be searching for the truth, it cannot be... Well, and also, I mean, look, the truth is...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
People who are providing information under subpoena and under oath and under penalty of being found liable for false statements should have somebody there to protect their interests.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
let me see the emails that were going on while all of the things that I was interested in were happening. And I'm getting a lot of resistance. Well, we really don't wanna, we don't think it's appropriate to turn over staff emails. It's like, Wyatt, we're the public. If there were emails about me that were being sent by official staff,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
There shouldn't be some proprietary reason or there shouldn't be some Queensbury rules that says, well, we don't think it's couth for us to be turning over the private emails of our staffers. Well, when I was working in the White House, every single document that we, it was all presidential records. Everything was searchable. Everything can be, has obligated to be turned over.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Why is Congress not subject to those same rules? Why do we not have that same transparency? esoteric notion that, well, it just wouldn't be gentlemanly or it wouldn't be couth for us to reveal staff emails because then maybe they might do that to us. I was like, no, how about you guys only do things in the name of the people that you're willing to stand behind? How about that being the rule?
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But that doesn't seem to be... So how is this...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, well, I mean... It's shocking. Of course, sort of the psychic break of all of that is that we had talked, we had almost the same upbringing, Washington, D.C., private schools. Everyone who was my friend were the children of people who were either in the private sector or public sector working in these revered institutions.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And I grew up and until extremely recently had nothing but the highest respect for our agencies and the media. I mean, as I said, if Walter Cronkite said it was true, if the State Department- I was class of 1984, so I'm a little older than you.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Same exact world, all of my friends, and grew up having a dad who was from that world doing work that I really respected. That was what I believed. And even while working in the White House, never had a concept that there was any sort of conflict between the institutional sort of intelligence world and us in the White House. One of my jobs, as I said, I was the compliance person when I came in.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And so we did all of the onboarding. I brought all of these folks in. And it was my job to do, hear the rules of Washington briefing for all of the White House staff. Well, I was also the adjunct to the National Security Council. So it's sort of like a intel arm advisors to the president, which are career staffers primarily. And I thought, well, we're all on the same team now.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Trump, we've just come in. I had no idea that Comey was having interviews with Mike Flynn recently. You know, at the same time, I had no idea this was happening, but I thought, well, we're all on the same team. Let me just invite all of the NSC folks in for the same briefing that I'm doing for the staff because we're all on the same team.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And so literally I do these briefings and I get phone calls two days later from the Washington Post saying, we have three people who are in your briefing who all said you said X and that this is this horrible thing for Trump. And I said, what? That's A, not true. Why would three people randomly select you, Washington Post reporter, to tell the exact same story to?
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
This kind of sounds like an op against the Trump administration. It was going to highlight, it was something that was not going to paint Trump in a fair light that the ethics lawyer had said, whatever the rules were. And that's when I realized...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We're not all on the same team here, that there's this operation that's going on, and there's a real sort of psychic disconnect for me because I had tremendous respect for these—I had tremendous respect for the FBI and the DOJ, and I have to say in all candor with respect to me— As far as I can tell, they've been honorable in everything they've done with respect to me.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But what you see on TV, there's a lack of trust. And my children, my children's friends, have zero institutional faith in these organizations that I grew up revering.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. And not only that, but the framers of the Constitution made it very, very clear. There are to be three branches of government. There is a legislative branch that is only supposed to be making the laws. It's up to the executive branch to execute those laws and then the judiciary to actually enforce those laws. That's a very clear standard.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
No, they were outside of the D.C. bubble. I left... D.C., you know, sometime after I graduated high school, but still sort of keep up. And I practice out of D.C. That's where I live. I go there. That's where I work. That's my life. But it's a much different core philosophy. It's a different view of how these institutions operate. And then
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
One of the things that if Trump were to win that really needs to happen is we need to restore these institutions, the faith in these institutions that if State Department is doing something, if the intel agencies are doing something, that they're doing it in the interest of the public. We can't have the... 51 intel officers suppressing. We can't have that happening anymore.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I mean, that's one of the things that just, you know, for me, what's changed me is I'm a lawyer. The legal institution is of prime importance to me. We cannot be subjecting lawyers to attack because of who they represent. That's undemocratic. That's unconstitutional. We can't have a philosophy where you kill all of the lawyers for one side.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
This whole notion of legal warfare that we are going to intimidate people against representing disfavored political parties under threat of disbarment, that has to change. And that's something that I'm pretty passionate about. And that's something that's sort of my... Life mission now, to the extent I'm surviving all of this, we just have to fix these institutions.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We have to return them to what they had.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So, I mean, you are the first person who's wanted to hear my story. So just getting the facts out. I mean, this has been two years and I have spoken to so many reporters. And I said, you don't have to believe a word I say. Just read the transcript. It's all sitting right there. Nobody wants to touch it. Nobody's ever wanted to report it.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
It's not newsworthy. Exactly. And so getting the word out is important. But I've been really blessed to be working with the America First Legal, which they recognize we can't have a functioning democracy if lawyers are operating under this culture of fear.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I think you're the ones who coined the phrase, it's a culture of fear that nobody wants to raise their head above the waterline for fear that they're going to be the one who get popped off. And it's very disconcerting. knowing that we have an election coming up where everyone is determined to have rule of law enforced.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And when you have a legislative body—and this is what happened to me, and I'm sure we're going to get into it— that decides that they are going to drift beyond their legislative function, their fact-finding function in support of passing legislation, and they're going to move into a law enforcement method. We don't like this person. This person presents a narrative to us that we don't like.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And the only way rule of law is enforced and people have faith in democracy, faith in the integrity of our elections, is if they know that there's going to be true accountability on both sides of the aisle. that the rules are going to be followed, and you cannot have rules in democracy being followed unless you have lawyers to help navigate.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And today, as we speak, there's an active, ongoing effort to intimidate Republican lawyers from engaging in any of this conduct for fear of getting disbarred, for fear of getting kicked out of their law firms, for fear of being banished from polite society in the legal circles. I mean, I certainly received...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
bar complaint by 60-some prominent members of the bar and prominent members of legal academia.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Oh, I've never met any of them ever. I mean, this was... No. But I am now filing bar complaints. I'm doing what little I can do to create some accountability and transparency. Clearly, if it's just me, I will be squished again as quickly and easily as I was squished the first time.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But I have a little window to maybe try to create some awareness that we can't go on as a society where not everybody has the right to effective lawyers. And I have to say, one of the things that's been really gratifying of this whole experience, I mean, I have a lot of clients and...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
A lot of clients who I represent would have had every opportunity to distance themselves from me for their own personal gain. I mean, I've represented Newton Callista Gingrich since 1998. I've represented a number... Senator Kelly Loeffler, Herschel Walker, a lot of corporate groups who I won't name because if I name them, that'll cause them harm, just the fact that they're associated with me.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But they could have left me out of political expedience. And you learn who your friends are. None of them did. They stuck with me, said, we know you, we know your core. Even though there's a risk to us in associating with you as our lawyer, we're going to stand by you. Now, there are a lot of people who didn't do that. A lot of people said, you're too hot.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We're gonna terminate our relationship with you. But the one gratifying thing out of all is you learn who your friends are. You learn who will stick with you through thick and thin.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And like I said, you can't go through something like this without learning how strong your relationship is with your spouse, how strong your relationship is with your children, how strong your relationship is with your God. Like if we didn't have those pillars, and if those pillars weren't tested every now and then, you never know how strong they are.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So the one good thing that comes out of this is that those pillars of faith and family and professional relationships have been stress tests for me to an extent that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but withstood that. Now we'll see what the repercussions are of this, but that said, that's my mission now is if I can sort of contribute back to...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
rebalancing our legal institution or having some small role in rebalancing our government institutions to the respect that they used to have, I think that's a pretty noble mission. At least it makes what I went through potentially worth it, if you can say that.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Because they had an opportunity. Yes. They had an opportunity to go the other way.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, my mission in life is to make this worth it. And I'm still figuring that path.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
We are going to use the full weight and power of the United States government to try and execute that person without any due process of law. That is completely unconstitutional. And that is ultimately where I found myself at the end of this road.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, well, I mean, what's particularly painful for me is that the basis of that conversation is to highlight the importance of ethics and the importance of government norms. Like, that's the message that's being conveyed. It's like, we're the party that reveres ethical behavior, and by us being here together, we show which side we're on. That's a very tough message for me to take.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, sure, because this is all fairly post-traumatic stress disorder for me. I mean, everything is, I mean, obviously my life has changed. My psychology has changed. I am not the same person I was. I am more difficult to be around. I do not trust clients. I am a very hard person to talk to at times because of this. You seem pretty balanced to me. You're kind. It's being in your presence.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I'm happy to do it. But it's very difficult. It's very, very difficult to trust clients. But it is one of those things where you have to make good come of bad things. You have to. And that's my mission.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, well, and you learn, and I mean... Clearly, it's easy for someone to feel sorry for themselves. It's easy for me to feel sorry. But there are people in prison right now who did nothing more than walk through, escorted through the grounds of the Capitol. There are people who are subjected to much worse than what I've been subjected to. And so you have to have a perspective.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
In a lot of respects, I'm very fortunate. I have resources. I have means. I have contacts. I have very good friends who have the ability to make things happen. I'm not helpless in all of this. And this all happened to me. It makes me much more concerned for people who don't have access to all of those resources.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And it's my mission in life, like it's a lot of people's mission in life, to take care of those people. They can't do this. I can have some small say in that, and that's what I'm going to do.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Thank you for having me. I'm really grateful for that.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Exactly. And that is that is, in fact, exactly what what ended up happening to me.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah, I mean, the nice thing, I think, is there's nothing that I'm going to tell you today that's not written out under oath in testimony that's in black and white for anyone to see. I've just been trying to get people to pay attention and look at it.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But as a... And I have filed a lawsuit against the federal government on this point, saying that the federal government abused its power, and in this case, against me, by... And incorporating and taking certain information, distributing them out. Obviously, there's a number of things that the government lets you sue them for. There are a lot of things they don't let you sue them for.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Yeah. So on the aftermath side, I'm a lawyer and I'd represented a number of witnesses who were giving testimony before the January 6th committee. Yep. Mostly uneventful things.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
But one of the things that they did was they really invaded my privacy. And they did that in a way to deny me my civil rights because it was all in further and stuff.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I was not at January 6th.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I did not plan any insurrections. Right.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. Am I characterizing that correctly? You are, exactly. And where I found myself in the wood chipper was that one of those people who I represented, who had given some 15 hours of testimony under oath before the committee— then terminated her relationship with me and gave diametrically different testimony to what had been said before. That's a crime, isn't it?
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Well, some would say, but it's clearly a crime.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Okay. And it certainly presents something of a conundrum when a witness has presented one set of testimony under oath And then provides testimony under oath, which could be seen as contradictory to the former testimony. And both of those elements of testimony were under oath. Yeah, that presents a significant potential problem. Try that in a deposition.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct. Well, it's one of the lawyer's greatest sort of Matlock cross-examination that everyone dreams of is, were you lying then or were you lying now? I've been there in depositions.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So I'm a political lawyer, if you can call such a thing. I'm sort of the living embodiment of a lot of the sort of dysfunction of Washington, D.C. that you need to have such a thing as a political lawyer.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Correct.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So this is Cassidy Hutchinson that we were talking about who famously testified live before the committee. and that it became extraordinarily well known that she was an extremely powerful witness when she testified live before the committee.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
And as one of the elements of providing that testimony, there was significant discussion of the fact that she had previously had this Trump lawyer who had effectively coached her not to tell the truth, had coached her to say, I don't recall when in fact she did recall. All of those things were being accused of me as the lawyer.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
So Cassidy Hutchinson, I don't know that we actually overlapped in the White House together. And if we did, I didn't know her. But she came in as, I believe, started as an intern. I think she was 25 years old at the time. And ultimately rose to a very...
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
prominent position with Mark Meadows in the chief of staff office in that she had proximity and access to a great deal that was happening in the White House. And so she was one of these myriad of witnesses, not to my mind, unlike a number of the other witnesses who I had been bringing before the committee, who might've observed things and might've seen things, had provided her testimony.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
I thought it was over. It only happened subsequently that I learned that while I was representing her, Liz Cheney was communicating with her behind my back while I was her lawyer. Now, that's a Lawyer 101 thing that you're just not allowed to do. One of the things that's set up within our legal rules of ethics in order to prevent
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
an unscrupulous lawyer from manipulating the client is there is a very clear bar rule that says if somebody is represented by a lawyer with respect to a particular matter, you, the lawyer on the other side, don't have the right to communicate directly to that client except through the lawyer. And that rule is in place to prevent people from circumventing the lawyer and manipulating the testimony.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
of dealing with all of the sort of regulatory world of if you want to engage with politicians, if you want to give them money, if you want to lobby them, if you want to give them gifts, if you want to advocate, there's a whole myriad of regulations that surround that, which create professions for people like me to help people navigate what are the rules of the road if I want to communicate.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
No, this is a longstanding. This is one of those 101 rules of law.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Clearly a core rule. And it's also a core rule that you can't do knowingly indirectly, which you can't do directly. You can't, and this happened here from all the things that I've seen. Like I said, you don't have to believe a word I'm saying. It's right in the testimony that her staffers, which were lawyers, were also communicating, and she was working through what I would call a cutout,
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
which was Alyssa Farrah Griffin, was effectively operating as Cassidy's friend who started the process as a go-between.
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Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
She is a prominent TV personality and also famously not just on The View, but also was a, I think, a contributor for CNN, which a lot of folks... And I just feel duty-bound to report that she's...