Skip Atwater
Appearances
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
There isn't a place where, well, when do we stop having planets and suns and stars? And it's a good question because some of them say, Everything was supposed to collapse back in a billion years from now and start all over again with a big bang. And then time went by and the scientists looked out and said, all of those things aren't coming back.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They just keep going further and further and further away until as time passes, like there really is time, it will be so far away, we can't see it anymore. Well, then are we alone in the universe? What's space all about?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I will challenge that statement, not that it's a big deal. Yes, the Big Bang is the thing. Well, how much longer? Will that stick? Will that always be that's the way it is? Or 100 years from now, 200, 500 years from now, they will say, you know, that Big Bang thing just doesn't work.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, I think you're the one that's supposed to ask those questions and share those answers with the world around you. That's who you are. Thank you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Thank you. I will bring that home to my family and I'll say, really? Oh, those look really good.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I grew up in Southern California and my dad was a dentist and my mother's father was a dentist. So the family business was dentistry for them. And there were a couple of kind of childhood things that were interesting to me because they seemed normal to me because they were happening in the family. And as I got older, I would say, well, you know, I got kind of a weird family.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And it sounds like I didn't like them because they were weird. It was more of a casual comment about that. My mom used to talk to... animals that died, a cat or a dog or whatever thing, and they'd tell us kids and shit, but they're fine. I talk to them and they're going to be okay and so forth. And I was like, okay, mom, I'm going to school.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I guess one of the stories is an interesting bedwetting story. When I was 10 or a little bit younger than 10, I was still wetting my bed, but I wasn't teased about it. It was just a thing that... I had to pull the sheets off the bed and run them through the washer and then make the bed again. But it wasn't teasing or anything else.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Of course, I felt a little of that at school, that people would talk about that. And one night, I woke up in bed, and the bed was all wet. And I was screaming and mad at what had happened because there was no reason for this. It was an embarrassing thing for me with two older sisters and school kids talking about it. So my mother came in, are you all right? You fell out of bed? Did you get hurt?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Why are you screaming? What's it all about? And I said, I went into the bathroom and I sat on the toilet. And when I began to pee, I woke up here in bed And now my bed's all wet and, you know, very angry, very, really outspoken about it. There's a joke in the end. It really pissed me off. At any rate, my mom put her arm around me and she said, oh, it's okay. It's okay. It'll be okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I was like, well, why are you so cool about it? I didn't say anything. She says, you know, Sometimes you're in your body and sometimes you're not in your body. So when you go into the bathroom, you have to make really sure that you went to the bathroom. Because it's obvious you didn't. And we go back to the discussion of dreams. Maybe you dreamed you went into the bathroom and you didn't.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
and you peed your bed again. Well, that left a idea in my head. As the days rolled by and weeks rolled by, it was like, what does she mean by you're not in your body? And so I would kind of practice at night and found that I could get up and look out the window and then look back and I was in bed. And I said, that's pretty weird.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And as time went on, I would jump out the window, and my out-of-body state would jump out the window, and I learned to trust that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It would be over 10, so maybe in the next year or two, those things started to happen. Do you remember the first time that happened? Yes. What were you thinking? Made an impression. Well, I want to go out and play with my friends. I found the first thing that I ran into when I'd go away from my sleeping self in bed, that I was in some sort of school situation, like night school or something.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I was in something called night school. But then when I got a little bit older, I started to go find my friends. Where's Mikey down the road? Well, hey, what if I go over here and find this? And they were out of their bodies too, although they didn't realize it like I did. And so that became part of my life growing up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I can't answer that question. I can only say what my experience was. And the question is, are they out of body? And I'm not so sure that we use the term out of body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
happens in the hospitals and dying events and everything else and so we've classified codified that as oh you were out of your body and then i say wait a minute skip wait a minute you're everywhere every when there's not a being in the body you're being out of the body so i had to just well i shouldn't talk so much because i don't know what the heck's going on anyways so um
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
The next thing that was kind of like that, telling the story of the weird family I grew up with, which contributes to my eventual career. When I was older and was into, you know, high school and cars and stuff like that, I got a car from
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
my dad's nurse she gave me a car and i crawled underneath and started taking it apart and everything my dad was really liberal it was okay if i took stuff apart and the garage got dirty and he'd look under the car and say how you doing down there are you making any progress and he very much and let me find out for myself and let me figure it out for myself and um Got that taken care of.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And then later I bought my uncle's car for $100, a 54 Ford. And immediately I went to the other uncle who gave me a 292 engine, which I had punched out 60 thousandths with a racing cam in it and so forth and so on. But there was something else going on. I could look at the car laying underneath it and look at it and say, oh, I see what's wrong. The exhaust pipe bracket is loose.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And it wasn't something that I could see physically. It was like I could see through it. And later in life, I learned they had a name for that called remote viewing. And I was like, Well, that's pretty weird. I guess when you go to a mechanic to get your car fixed, that's why our mechanics know what's wrong with your car, because they can do that, just like I was doing with my car.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Later, I found out that isn't what they were doing. Wow. That's part of this development thing that's happening in my weird family again that does it. And one more short story. When I was going to elementary school, my mom sometimes would pick me up from school. She drove a Oldsmobile station wagon that had the fake wood on the sides and the little hood over the top of the windshield.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And she'd pick me up on this side of the street over here, and then she'd look up and down, and then she'd throw a big Yui to turn around and go up to where our house was. Well, one day when she turned the Yui, the door swung open and I went floating out. And she turned to me and looked at me. And I floated back in. And then I reached over and got the door and closed it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And she said, you're always going to have to close that, you know, because it can open up anytime you want. And we didn't talk about it later. I didn't say, what was that floaty thing all about? How did you do that? And it was like, that wasn't up for discussion. It just, things happened. Wow. So that's the weird family I grew up in. And when it came time to
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
get drafted i'd gone to college and everything and then finally i got out of college and got jobs and i want to just go make a career out of it and so forth and so on until that came what's the expression that comes through and they said greetings you are classified 1a and we have a draft and so forth and so on
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And the minute that happened, when I was going around to different department stores looking for jobs, they said, and so what's your draft status? Oh, they just got me in 1A here. And he said, well, we can't hire you. And I said, what do you mean you can't hire me? He says, well, if you get a job here and say you work up a little bit in management, you become a
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
That's a big pile, is what you're going to say.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
and then you become a section of the store manager, and then you finally become the assistant store manager, and you get drafted. They have to keep that position open for you. You have to be able to walk out of the army afterwards and go into that same position, even if you're in the army three years or whatever. So we don't hire people that are 1A.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I said, well, I know how to straighten that out. And I walked down the street and found the recruiter. And I said, I have to join the Army because I have to get rid of this thing hanging over my head. I'm never going to get anywhere if I don't get rid of this thing. And he says, well, what do you want to do? And I said, well, I don't know. What's there to do?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he said, well, look at those brochures over there and spend some time looking at that. See if you see something there that you'd really like to do. And so I went over and looked at the brochures, and I saw this one, a blue one, a trifold blue one, and it said Army Intelligence. And I said, what about this one? This looks really interesting. Oh, I'm sorry, but I can't interview you about that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
That's not what I do here in the recruiter's office. And I said, but this looks really interesting to me. I have some college behind me and speak Spanish and so forth. And I, what do you mean you can't talk to me? She says, what?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He said, if you really want to know about that, I have to make an appointment for you down in Los Angeles to see some agents down there because they're the ones that have to decide whether they can accept you. What was the brochure? It was just a trifold brochure that said military intelligence, and it was blue on the outside, and I opened and read it, and that sounded—
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
better than being a medic or being a rifleman and getting shot or anything. And so I said, well, let me go talk to them. What this is all about is in my book, it says living with guidance and we define guidance. There seems to be something moving me through my life that I'm not entirely aware
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
aware of it's just like oh okay that looks okay now at my age i say oh that's what that was um anyway i got into military intelligence well what was it what was military intelligence no what was the thing i'm sorry i didn't i lost what was the thing guiding you through life oh
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, I only remember that and my wife share it back and forth because we know where it comes from. It means we are all one. We are all there already and we have souls there that help us and souls that can split themselves and go help other people, and they can be here and still helping you over there. We are the oneness. Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So I went off to school, and my mom has always told me, you're going to be okay, but I don't want to go to Vietnam, man. And you're all going to be okay. And so I go through the school, learn how to interview people and be a counterintelligence agent, so forth and so on. And you like that? I say so forth and so on, just to fill in the blank there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And there's another one, this, that, and the other thing. So when it came down and the assignments in the classes where they were graduating people in classes out of there, trying to make a lot of, counterintelligence people. Every other class went to Vietnam, and then the next class went everywhere else, Europe, around the US, and so forth and so on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But it was something to worry about as you were coming up to graduation. And I got sent to another strange place called Alabama. So my first assignment was isn't this interesting? And my mom used to say, somebody's always going to take care of you. Yeah, mom, whatever you say. And I went to Alabama, and I don't know, six months later, Vietnam was over with.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And that began, what am I going to do now? Well, as a corporal or a sergeant by then, I guess. Every now and then I got the duty of the teletype. They didn't have other things besides teletypes at that time. And so they'd call me over the headquarters building and say, okay, this is your week on the teletype and learn how to use it and everything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Everybody here does that, so we all know how to use it. But what that meant is I got invitations to, how would you like to go to language school? how would you like to go to technical school and learn how to bug things? How would you like to do this? And I would take the ribbon out of the teletype and say, we have a volunteer for that right now.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so that's how I created making all of those particular things for me. And went to language school and so forth and so on. Went down and spent some time in Panama. But
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yes, but it was much more subtle. My dad was a quiet guy and he was subtle, but he was tuned in to what was going on. He was raised as in the religion where they don't believe about going to doctors. I don't remember what the name of that is right now. But when he had a broken shoulder bone, his mom tied a red ribbon around it, and that was supposed to heal it up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And yet he became a dentist, but they didn't call that a doctor. I mean, that's a dentist, for goodness sake. That's not a doctor. He was very gentle about things. But he was aware. I was very sensitive with him. And I think part of one of those things, as I said, he always encouraged me to try things out. And he let me paint a car in the garage. And all I did was hang up sheets all around it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I painted the car. And he said, how did it turn out? And I said, oh, it's pretty good. Painted Uncle's car black. No, I had a 40 Chevy and I sprayed it taxi yellow and wrote taxi on the side of it. And they didn't like that driving around Glendale, California. And finally, a cop came by and he said, we want to talk to you about your car and the word taxi on the side.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I said, yeah, what's wrong with that? And he said, there is no law that says you can't do that. There's no problem with it. However, all the people that are in the taxi business can't stand it because they think it downgrades their feelings about their own car. And I said, okay, I don't have a problem with that. So took taxi off the side and I think I sold the car for $75 to somebody or something.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Nice. Did you have brothers and sisters? Two older sisters, yes. What about them? They were girls. They weren't as tuned in as I was to this whole thing. But they certainly understood it. And as we got older, we'd talk about these things. They're both dead. And we'd talk about these things and them going through their deaths. And I was there with them and so forth and so on. And they...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
respected is that an expression they respected me down they knew something was different about me it was four years to one sister and another four years to the other sister so i was the youngest of the family but as we all grew older as people there was a different arrangement of um
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
the kinds of things Skip did and the kinds of things Sonny did and the kind of things that Sue did and so forth and so on. But yeah, they were different. What was different? What was different? They liked chasing boys and ditching school and getting in trouble for it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No. There's a sidebar to that. When I got out of OCS and was on my way to go to the Pentagon, because I told somebody I wanted to do stuff with remote viewing because I thought it was a threat, he said, well, we'll assign you to the Pentagon and we'll You go find it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
As a lieutenant, you'll be somebody in the Pentagon that's on the night security voice, and you have the access to everything and make sure people lock doors and don't leave classified documents out and so forth. I never actually made it there because somebody intervened. But the story about, did your parents ever ask you about things?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
When I told my parents I was moving out to the East and I would be in and around Washington and so forth and so on and in the Pentagon and so forth, and she said, oh, well, if you're moving out East, you should look up Bob Monroe. And first of all, I didn't know what a Bob Monroe was. I had no idea. And so my thinking in my head was, do you know how many millions of people are on the East Coast?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I don't know somebody named Bob Monroe, and what is she talking about anyway? And so I'm nodding to my mom, yeah, sounds like an interesting idea, but who was this guy? I didn't know. So I drive out there, and just before I left Fort Huachuca, Arizona, which is where I was teaching at the time, got a call from up at Fort Meade And INSCOM had just moved half of their outfit to Fort Meade.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And the assignments officer called me up and said, we're changing your orders of going to the Pentagon. And I'm like, man, this guy arranged for me to go to the Pentagon so he could help me find out about remote viewing. And now these orders have been changed. And
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, I guess I'll just have to forget about all that stuff called remote viewing and what I wanted to do and help the intelligence community and so forth and so on. And so I got reassigned up to Fort Meade and went behind the green door, as they say.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I was teaching at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, and a friend of mine, Rob Cowart, and I found Putoff's book, MindReach, where they published all of their remote viewing studies, as much as the CIA would let them publish that. And I got a hold of that book, and Rob and I would look at it. Look what they say in here about this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Both of us were counterintelligence specialists and doing inspections in different countries and so forth and so on. We don't check for this. We don't see if anybody is remote viewing our army units. Ding! Something happened. And so I went to the colonel down there just before I went to OCS, and he said, well, you keep your nose clean, you come on back here, Sergeant Atwater.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I'll see if I can get you any assignment you want. When you come back here as a lieutenant, you be ready to tell me what you want to do. And so, meanwhile, months ago, Rob Cowart and I were talking about this book from Puthoff, and we were like, We're counterintelligence specialists and we're not doing anything about this. You know, we're not climbing in people's attics or whatever we do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So when I got back as a lieutenant, I went into colonel's office and he said, well, lieutenant, you're coming to me to tell me where you want to get assigned. And I said, well, sir, it's a little bit different than that. And he said, well, what's that? And I said, there's a book here by some scientists called MindReach out at Stanford Research Institute.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And they're studying something called remote viewing. And he said, well, what's that? And I said, that's why I'm bringing you this book, sir. I think this is very dangerous and a threat to the counterintelligence work we do. And he said, well, leave the book with me, Lieutenant, and come on back tomorrow and we'll talk about this. Came back tomorrow and he said, Lieutenant, I think you're right.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And that's when he reassigned me to the Pentagon, which I never got to. So that's the beginning of it, of how I got into remote viewing. Started back at Fort Huachuca with Rob Cowart, deciding this isn't right. We should be doing something. This is our job to watch this. And then things switched back and forth from...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
the idea of not getting to the Pentagon, that wasn't the place I should be, because arrangements were made, and wound up at Fort Meade behind the green door. And I was given a room behind the green door after I passed all my security clearances and everything, and dug through the safes in the room And I reached down into this one and picked it up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Those are three classified documents on remote viewing. Wait a minute. I thought all this remote viewing stuff was done since I didn't go to the Pentagon like it was planned that I was going to go do that. What is this stuff anyway? So I read through it. And Major Keenan, my boss then, was down the hallway, and I came out and said, what is it, Lieutenant?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
That is an interesting question because we've been thinking about the brain for a long time and the brain is this and the brain is that and It used to be thought of hundreds of years ago of that's just to keep your head warm. They don't know what the brain is and what's going on up there. But it's something that, you know, over the past 50, 100 years has become the answer to everything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I wasn't the regular lieutenant because I'd been in the Army 10 years as an enlisted man, so they had a little more respect for me. And I took these in and I said, sir, I found these three documents here, and they're all about remote viewing. And he said, oh, yeah, Lieutenant Colonel Skotsko was over there. And he was very interested in that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
General Thompson was the one that was looking after that. What was that all about? And General Thompson in this story becomes Major General Thompson later. And there's a term in the military called getting a grandfather term. meaning there's somebody who's going to take care of you and make sure you do the right thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Turns out General Thompson was my grandfather because Kenan, Major Kenan, who I went to with these documents, knew General Thompson. And he said, I've got a guy in here that knows about this. What's his name? Atwater. He said, you let Atwater do whatever he wants to do. And I didn't know that was happening. Interesting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But I knew General Thompson knew Kit Green and the CIA, and they'd been working together, and he knew all about this stuff that the CIA was doing. So General Thompson had his finger on me through Major Keenan, and he said, well, what should we do about this? Well, we should recruit some people to do this. And how are you going to do that, Lieutenant?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I said, well, I think we ought to interview some people that have security clearances so that they can do the kind of work we do at looking at the counterintelligence problem. That was the beginning before it was called Stargate. That was the beginning of doing this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
First, what we decided to do, my South... Major Keenan got another officer in and was going to be my boss because I was just a lieutenant and we needed somebody that was a lieutenant colonel to do this. And someone who'd been around INSCOM so that he could go talk to anybody he wanted and had lots of clearances and stuff.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so he was going to be my boss and I was going to be the remote viewing expert, which I had to invent, but that's okay. And we decided that we should survey the people around the greater Washington, D.C. area where Indians come. And we thought, well, they have to be assignable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
There's a lot of people in the Army that said, I need to do this job now so I can get promoted then, and I need to do that job here, and we need to do that job there. And they build up a career pattern of jobs that they have to work out promotion. We had to find somebody that didn't think that way. So we— looked at a pool of about 200 people around the greater Washington, D.C.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
area that were Army people and civilians, male, female. And we took newspaper clippings that talked about people who had a near-death experience and people who had this happen to them, newspaper-type reporting of psychic stuff. And we'd take it to him and say, the boss has asked us to come around and see whether or not people would think some of these people could help us in the Army some way.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
If they can do what they say, maybe they could help us in the Army some way. And we would both ask questions, my major, and my south, that time just a lieutenant, and we would, this one would ask and then this one would ask and we'd see if they would agree. And then we would say, well, let's talk to them a little bit further.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
If it's this, oh, it's in the brain. You have to fix this part of the brain right here. That's what's wrong with it. And so him asking this question is a reasonable one given the education we have now.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And then when we finished that process, we told SRI what we're doing and they made an arrangement to do a exposure of these people and we were going to pick three people and i tried to use the word to train he said oh no no no no we don't train people we evaluate people but we don't train people okay don't use the word train when you talk to Stanford Research Institute.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
That's what I learned as a little lieutenant. And so I said, so for our orientation, we want to do three people. And meanwhile, we recruited these people by the method I told you of showing them the newspapers. And some of them weren't the right people. And when we told them, we had six people selected that It was like six or eight at that time that we brought in. They didn't all stay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They said, well, I thought I wanted to do this, but my wife wants to move and I can't do it, and so forth and so on. Puthoff and Targ heard about it and they said, well, we want to interview them. We don't want you to select which ones. We want to do the interview with them to see if they're suitable for our evaluation.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So they came to Fort Meade and we brought all these people in and put off and tarred and talked to them about it and liked the people and shook their hands and everything. And then we went out to lunch, put off and tarred, and Scotty Watt and me went out to lunch and they were whispering at each other and whispering at each other and finally put off, said, well,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I'm not so sure that 50 years from now that will be much of a question because it seems that all these things that people do, whether it's remote viewing or whatever they call it, seems to have something to do with quantum non-locality or the everywhere, every when of all information. What did you call it first, the quantum? Quantum nonlocality is a technical term for it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I don't think we want to take three people." He says, I want those six guys. Well, how about the agreement we had on how much money we had to pay you to evaluate the three people? He says, we'll do it for the same price. Those people sound good to us and we'll deal with them. So they eventually took the six people out there and then later on,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
found the best three of those and had the three of them go back again. For example, Joe McMoneagle.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Okay. There's SRI's situation. I'll continue with that and what they did. What they did is they had people... somebody would drive away from SRI and then someone would sit back at SRI and get interviewed and say, describe to me where Dr. Prodoff's gone. And then later they would bring that back and they would have, this is the true place he was. And then there were six, one out of six.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so they scored them. Another person, a judge, would look at what The remote viewer tried. I can't make 10 into 6, can I? That doesn't work. And he would score them. No, it's not that one. This wasn't a racetrack. It might be that one. That's kind of a museum-like thing. So they would rate these things. And they got
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
80% correct matches, for example, on Joe McMoneagle, or no, it was on the six altogether, meaning that the judge who didn't know where they'd gone or what was the actual thing about, and that is how we scored and decided who we were going to choose and chose the ones that had the best to, you know, start out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, they already signed up for the program when they came in and they, you know, signed secret certificates. Don't tell anybody about this. Your boss doesn't know what you're doing, but he knows that the boss tells him he has to go to Fort Meade today to do something, and he's doing it for me. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
they were on board with the program and they heard about going out to sri and we had those classified documents for example and they looked at those and they were interested in going out there and doing that what was in the classified documents there were a couple of them on
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Project ScanAid, they were things that had been done before, things that the Soviets were doing, and was the first beginning published evidence that, not the stuff that the CIA knew, but it was the beginning of Department of Defense stuff that was published, that they had been looking at lots of people around the world that are doing this thing, and why aren't we doing this?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Who was the first one to adopt us? I don't know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that. And I probably would have to say I can neither confirm nor deny if I knew. What were they? I'm the lieutenant that discovered the scuff and the safe. Went and talked to Dale Graff and so forth and so on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But they had to invent that 60 years ago because they didn't know what was going on. There's lots of science on saying that there's no space and there's no time. And these people, we'll just call them remote viewers because it's a good thing to use as a name, Not that I like it so much, but that's okay. Everybody calls it remote viewing. What do you call it?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I don't know that. Okay. But it grew into something else. I mean, Joe's gone over there and been with the Russians and talked to them and played with them and they played with him and so forth. Yeah, yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, after they finished this evaluation, We had started working at Fort Meade with doing little outbounder things and practicing and so forth and so on of what was going on. So Scotty Watt would drive out in a car to someplace and then I'd sit over in the operations building and interview them about, describe where Scotty is now. And they would sometimes get hits and sometimes not get hits.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
which was good for Scotty because when they'd get a hit, he would say, I wasn't so sure this stuff worked, but I was the one that went out there and they described the tower I was on and it was fun for him. I'll bet. I'll bet that would be a very unique experience. So, I just want to tell you, we were...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
working with the people and they uh some of them came and lived in our offices there for me and others would come from some place and we'd make an appointment for them to come one of those was joe mcmonigal he was working um down in washington area and would We'd say, can you come up on Tuesday and Friday? And so he would say, well, if you arrange for my boss to tell me where I have to be.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so he was part of that same thing, testing it out for himself and us testing how to run this thing. And three others were... SRI wanted them back, and they had some things that they wanted to try out. Can you read with remote viewing? How about if this happens, or how about if that happens? What about if it's underwater? Would underwater stop it? And none of those things mattered. Interesting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Or distance and everything. And one of the interesting things that happened as time passed, there was a, Pat Price was remote viewing for them at SRI. And he had one target that he talked about, which was water, water tanks. And there's tall tanks and there's two water pools down here. And it's a...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
sewage processing plant and so um when they went down to look at the sewage processing plant hopefully so the remote viewer could learn things he missed well how come we didn't talk about the red building or whatever turns out that it was a swimming pool and was like Well, you did get the water, but there's these big towers of the sewage processing plant, so forth and so on. No space, no time.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Seventy-five years later, long after Pat Price himself died, the Menlo Park local government published a book of all the things that had been going on for years and years and years. And Russell Targ got ahold of one and opened it up and he was like, 75 years ago, that coordinate was not a swimming pool, but a sewage processing plant. And there was the pictures of the towers and everything. And so,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They started thinking about this differently. First, they were like, oh, that remote viewing was 20 blocks away. That remote viewing was when you went on vacation. That remote viewing was 3,000 miles away. And then this thing came up and it was... Remote viewing is outside of time. Pat Price said, never knew, because he died in 75, that that was a sewage treatment plant. Wow.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I attempt to list out several different things. Are you psychic? Is that the word that one should use? It's a word that people toss around a lot. Are you clairvoyant? Are those words that you toss and pass around? But Ingo Swann kind of coined the word remote viewing because when he went to work with Stanford Research Institute, they didn't want to say, well, we're training psychics here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So it was an awakening to the scientists to say, there's something more here that's going on than what we think we're doing at SRI.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
You know, my cat doesn't know time and the birds don't know time, except when the weather changes, they're supposed to fly south and so forth and so on. But they don't think of time. And if I knew more about the history of cultures, different societies over time that have come up over the hundreds and thousands of years, they probably have lots of differences. I imagine
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
weather and when you plant things and when you harvest things is a much more crude kind of interface with that. And you're not so concerned about, let's see, it's about. So, that's a really good question. What is time? And my answer is, well, it depends. Who is keeping track of something? and decides to say, you know, that's spaced out this way.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
The seasons of the year, except if you live at the North Pole and the South Pole, they're pretty much always the same season. But it sounds like humans are the ones that are more concerned about time. Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Right. Remember that I am not a remote viewer. I was the guy who taught other people how to do this thing called remote viewing and used my education in psychology to understand how people behave and how to reward them and encourage them and so forth. But I am not By the definition of what a remote viewer is, I'm not a remote viewer. But you do have abilities. Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But I don't generally, and I wouldn't say those remote view, my abilities are remote viewing. And I generally try to stay away from that topic because I want to present myself as This is the way it was done. This is the way it was monitored. This is the way that it was validated, given to the Pentagon, these answers, and this much was right that they told us about. I like playing that role. Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
As opposed to, I do remote viewing too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Joe was kind of a complainer about, I can never get this right and they're not promoting me fast enough and they should do this and they should do that. And that was bitching was his forte. Had a marriage that was breaking up. Boy, could he remote view. You know, so I loved Joe. I mean, I really loved that. He made the day.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He would tell me things and I'd be sitting there, how in the world did he know that? I mean, all I did was, from major Watt across the way, he said, okay, well, here's what we're going to start on today. So one of the things we did was, Not always, but one of the things we did is I wouldn't know what the target was. And it might be in an envelope or it might be a coordinate or whatever.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I would take it over to Joe. So I don't know. Most of the time, I don't know. And Joe didn't know either. And then I would take it back after doing one short session. You know, Joe would say, well, this is a cold area and there's This is really cold. There's snow on the ground and it's northern somewhere, but it's an industrial area.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, let's just call it, you know, remote viewing. That would probably be better, which I've gotten sidetracked in talking a lot here, but it's not really remote viewing because There's nothing that's remote. Everything is all one thing. That's the quantum non-locality. So these people that are doing the remote viewing have the ability to perceive everywhere and every when.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
There are smokestacks there and there are many buildings and so forth and so on. So I'd stop. That would be the end of the session. I had him sketch some stuff and I'd go over to Scotty Watt and I'd say, sir, this is what we got today. And he'd open it up and he'd say, schedule your second session. Because he could tell me, you're on track. There's something going on here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So it's an interesting situation. I have to diverge a little bit. People were talking about, oh, it's coordinates you use. Oh, it's a picture you use. Oh, well, let me say, you can't use coordinates anymore. You got to scramble the numbers and make up a number and say that's the number. Still works. And how about this? And how about that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
What I really think, right now, maybe tomorrow will be something else, but there was a trust between Joe and I. When he and I were in that room, I didn't fool around with him. He knew that I knew the questions that the Pentagon needed to know. So I'd say, Joe, do you want to hold the envelope? Joe, do you want to hear the coordinates? No, because over the years, there was a trust buildup.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I'm in that room with him to do one thing, and that's answer some questions from the Pentagon.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Oh, lots of different things. Can you tell us, we've watched in Europe as the, Soviets are moving their tanks forward like they're going to go past the folder gap and so forth and so on. Can you ask where this is right now? And Joe would be able to say, well, yes, I see them moving, but they're all parked in garages. And so they would fly another satellite over.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yeah, they're all parked in garages. I don't think we have anything to worry about. There were many, many things happening. that the Pentagon wanted to know. Somebody would have a particular problem that they're trying to resolve. And is it this? Is it that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I mean, you saw some of those things in the Third Eye video about things that they were asked and our satellites that would go over every now and then. And then they said, we never knew that was there. Laurie Moe Viewer told it was kind of a thing. So that grew too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
There was, because of Scotty Watt, Scotty Watt knew a lot of people and he could go to the Pentagon and go out to lunch with a guy and play golf with a guy and everything. And got to know that, you know, you could tell Scotty something that you needed to know and he would bring home the envelope.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
hand it to me and i'd do sessions with people and then we'd send it back to him so that built up for a while um let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll get into project 8200 okay that's great perfect
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I think it's the only words we can use for it in our mind, in our vocabulary, I think it's probably an experience. I don't think intellectually they think they're going anywhere. They know they're sitting in the room with me. But they're having an experience in some way. Okay. Now, they sometimes may describe, well, I'm going to go over there now and I'm going to look at that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And some of them decide to call it this and call it that and call it this. But it looks an awful lot, at least for the next 50 years, to be quantum non-locality. And I limit that 50-year thing because each unit of time, like there is no time, right? Each unit of time we go through, suddenly things are different. I mean, wasn't the Earth flat at one time? Wasn't everything orbiting around us?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But we shouldn't take that too strongly. They're still sitting there next to you. Okay. Did you see that video about three-eye spies or whatever that was, third-eye spies? I did not. Okay. So… That's perfectly okay, but it has to do with the way I would tell a story because otherwise I would say these things and you would say, oh, yeah, but you're not going to do that. Okay, excellent.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So I discovered recently something that I had not given a great deal of thought about, and I've been in this business a long time, and I was like, whoa, this means something, regardless of what happened, this means something.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So the background to this is that in the days of Putoff and Targ at Stanford Research Institute, they obviously had a contract with CIA, and Kit Green was the guy in CIA who was kind of watching them and was in charge of what they did. And then he would take the results that they would get in their evaluating and testing and studying, under protocol, this idea of remote viewing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he would take and show some of the results to his people at the CIA. And they started to think, both Kit Green and other people at CIA, was starting to think, how do we know that they're sticking with protocol? And how do we know that they don't have some other access to the targets that their remote viewers are getting?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So he decided he was, him, Kit Green, was going to come up with something that would prove to the other people that were watching questioning him. You know, this stuff is garbage. It doesn't work. It doesn't make any sense to us. He keeps telling him about it and everything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So he decided what he was going to do is he was going to go to another friend of his in the CIA and go to him and say, I want you to give me a set of coordinates, geographic coordinates, that I have no knowledge of it. I know nothing about it. I don't know what it is.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
and he said okay and he gave him the coordinates and he said so i don't know what this is that means nothing to me i don't recognize it as being the eiffel tower or anything and he says that's right you you won't know what this is so he passes that out to sri And Esserai comes back with this, it's a very elaborate description of this place.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He says it's very secret and guards and fences around it. And I went inside and I um looked through safes and on the wall this was written and uh opened up the safes and read what the words and names of the files were and end of session and so when he gets that back from sri he takes it over to his friend, whose name, by the way, was Dave, the CIA at that time. And he started laughing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He says, this nonsense that you're doing, kid, it's just nonsense. It's ridiculous. And he said, what do you mean? He said, I built a cabin last year and fixed it. And I gave you the coordinates to the cabin. And he went to his other friends and said, this is what SRI told me. And they're all like, you gotta be kidding.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he says, no, this is, he says, that's a real place and nobody knows about it. So he got in his car and he drove physically to the coordinates up in the mountains, found this guy's cabin. and said, what is going on here? This makes no sense at all. And he turned around and went down a hundred yards down the road. And there was a well-cut, well-groomed road.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he turned up there and came over a ridge. And there was Sugar Grove. It was in the late 60s and 70s. The Navy's installation for monitoring Soviet satellites. Interesting. Which actually physically doesn't exist anymore. Never mind, that wasn't ever there, but we have pictures of it, and you can look up Sugar Drove online.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, it's us going around the sun. Hmm, that's an interesting idea. And those kinds of large breakthroughs in science takes a while for us to figure them out and generations to figure them out. So I can only think that maybe in the future generations it won't be what we think it is now.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So, I need to try to add here, when he went in, he said everything had to do with The names on things and the files and so forth had to do with playing pool. There was a cue ball, a nine ball, an eight ball, and this and different kinds of shots and everything. And when he showed that to his other CIA friends, he said, all those are top secret classified limb discs Names.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Those are real names of a real project of Sugar Grove. And it was like, how did that happen? Well, because he had given, these were twists up a little bit, but I'll get back to it straight. He had given that to SRI and was expecting that either Halle Hammond or, Ingo Swann would do the job and they were going to look at it with one person and so forth and so on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Turns out that Pat Price was hanging around. He said, you guys got something going on here? Here, I'll help. And he was that kind of a guy, you know. And it was Pat Price's work that wound up at Sugar Grove and read those names that were top secret password names for everything that that Navy installation did. And they immediately showed up in Kit Green's office, angry and mad.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And what did you do? And we're going to have to investigate this. There's a leak in your department here and this and that and the other thing. And he said, SRI did it out in California. And then as sort of a joke and an enthusiasm when Puthoff describes this thing going on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He says, I'm trying to remember exactly what he says, every law enforcement person in California showed up at SRI because they were really angry about all this information leaking out. Well,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
the point of this whole thing is all that stuff happened it's very well documented and what is it that when here was the target assigned by the coordinate and over here was sugar grove when he got sent here supposedly here's your coordinates describe what's there and, you know, put off and tired or trying to do their best and get good protocols and everything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And it's a boring — I'm going to make up some words because I don't know what to say — it's boring. But they say, I wonder what in the hell that is over there. And so Pat Price goes over here and finds Sugar Grove. So I started thinking about this situation in remote viewing and everywhere, every when, how do you know that that is a thing of interest?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
What is it that attracts you to that as opposed to following the rules? I want you to describe that cabin in the forest. That's what your job is. Here are your coordinates. And yet, he goes to Sugar Grove. Pretty much scares the bejesus about CIA and the Navy at that point in time. So I started thinking about that in terms of all the remote viewing I've done and many others.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
If the theory of quantum non-locality is true, that there is no time and there is no space, what is that next step? I'm using this skull of mine, which makes no sense, but it's a good graphic. What is the next twist to that that gets the remote viewer to describe that interesting thing?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And how many times has that happened in the hundreds of thousands of remote viewings that are going on in the world? And somebody says, that doesn't make sense. We asked you to do such and such. And you did so and so. Did they give any thought to, why in the heck did he do so and so? He usually does really good work. Why did he describe that? I'm still chewing on that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
This is less than a month in my head about this particular interesting thing. How does that happen? When you wanted to go over to Project 8200, how did Pat Price go and look at those things? Nobody told him to go look at that. He just was that kind of a guy that was attracted to go look at those things. He says, when you talk to him, he was a policeman down in Burbank, he said,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, then we've defined something called a dream. And by using the word dream, we all tell ourselves, oh, that wasn't really real. That was just a dream. Perhaps it's a different kind of knowing And it's coded. When you have a dream about this, this, and this, you know what that really was is how important things are to me when I think about this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
You know, the detectives would come in and they would say this, that, and everything. And he said, I'd kind of roll my head back and say, well, you know, you really ought to check out this. You didn't tell me you guys checked on that. He said, okay. And he said he'd be unusually right about those every now and then. And so he kept headed in that direction.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
This Project 8200 thing was something that I did because Pat Price walked into SRI and his normal working there in the early 70s, having come up from originally down in Burbank. He then lived in Northern California, but he would come down to
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
do sessions because put off and targ checked him out and so he would go in and he would do things but they had to control him because he was a gregarious wild cat is that a good he was just uncontrollable in terms of what he would do um and He came in and put off his desk. He said, you might be interested in this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I've been interested in this for a while, and I've found four UFO bases around the globe. And so you really ought to look at it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Or where are they? Yes, they're still there. This all happened 50 years ago, a little bit more than that now. Mount Inyangani, which is a country in Africa, isolated country. Mount Haze is up in Australia. Mount Perdido is on the border of Spain and France. And then there's one in, Australia, which I can't quite remember the name of that up in Australia. Hayes is in Alaska, correct?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Hayes is in Alaska, yes. Okay. Zeal, I think, might be the one down in Australia. So, this was an interesting problem for Puthoff to deal with. He says, yeah, actually, you know, we're watching, Pat, in our program here and testing and evaluating our program here at SRI. These look interesting. What is it about this that, you know, pulls me to it?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So it turns out that he calls up a friend of his called Ken Kress and says, I'm sorry, Kit Green, and calls Kit Green. And they're friends from a long time ago when they were junior officers now he's kit green is in the cia he went that way and put off went into being a research scientist but they're really good friends so he calls up kit and says could you do me a favor and what's that well um
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I was wondering how things are going down in Australia. Do you know who the case officer is down in Australia, the station chief or whatever you call him? And he says, well, yeah. He said, well, I'm just kind of interested in what things are like in Australia now. I'd like to maybe go down there someday. And so he says, well, let me give him a call.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so a couple of days later, he calls back and said, yeah, I talked to the station chief down there, and he said they really like it. They get along with the Australians just fine. They share things and work together on things. And I really like it here, too. I hope I don't get reassigned very often. Well, there is one thing. It's all those UFOs up north. And Puthoff is like,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
oh, well, that's kind of an interesting thing, but otherwise you really like it down there, and you, I don't know, so Putoff wasn't going to say anything. He says, you know, we ought to get together next time you're back in the States here, and we'll go out and have a beer again. Remember how had a good time we had when we were young officers together? He said, yeah, let's do that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Let's get together again. And so then Putoff had had those on his desk and told Pat, don't ever do this again. Go get working. You're not to do things alone. You have to follow protocol. We're being paid by an outside agency and we have to follow our protocol else we'll get fired. So you need to not ever do this again. Only do the things that
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I had a dream about it, and it reminded me when this happened and that happened. I don't think there's anybody who really knows what a dream is, except that they go, oh, it's just a dream. Don't worry about it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Targ is working with you in the interview room next door. You do what things we're telling you to do so that we're in control and we can tell the CIA what we're doing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I don't think I know the answer to that question. Okay. But he shrugged his shoulders, and I'm sure because of the maverick that he was, he didn't much care about what he said.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Right. Who knows?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So anyway, Puthoff keeps it in the drawer, and then he waits. Because this is a big hullabaloo and people whispering to other people in the office and all that. And so he waits and he waits and he waits. Meanwhile, Putoff and I are becoming good friends. I would go out there and check on the training and check on this and everything. And they'd always take me out to dinner and do this and do this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And finally I said, you don't have to do this. I'm with you guys. I know I... Sign your checks now. That's what I'm doing for a while because my boss left and now I'm the boss of you. I forget what you call that when you're the person, case control officer. I don't know.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Anyways, so we became more friends after a while and could visit and talk about things without him doing his job of taking care of the guy that came from Washington and making sure we take care of that guy because he's the guy who pays us, you know. And time passed, and he called me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I have a different program that I run back at Fort Meade, which I think I've explained in some of the papers I sent. If you're not doing something because you're at war or having something you have to do, you're practicing on that. You're doing mock things that... keep you in good training. You don't just lay around on the ground, you do PT, you do all sorts of things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So I had what I called a challenge program that I did when I had remote viewers that, you know, weren't too busy and they didn't have something immediately to do. I would come up with challenge targets, like send them to a very confusing museum that went around the circle like that and see if they could figure that out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Because, you know, you'd be looking at this direction and then you'd turn around and look that direction. And it would pass, you know, 50 years in time because you're supposed to walk through the museum and look at the things. So those were challenge-type targets that I did, several different kinds. So I took... Putoff gave me all of Pat Price's transcripts on the things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He said, do you think you could use this in a challenge target training? I didn't need the Pentagon to tell me to do it. I was the operations and training officer, and that's what I did, operations and training. On the training side, it was challenge targets. So I
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
worked up a set of plans for taking the transcript and creating the names of the mountains where these UFO bases were, underground UFO bases were, and then did a series of challenge targets, four of them with Joe, who does a ERV thing, he just lays down and talks. The other people train by Ingo Swann, and they have this very complicated structure to do their remote viewing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
If you mean just tell my wife what my dream was, yeah, I think that's a good thing to talk about. No, I don't think that it's a thing to be decoded and figured out and you should go see your psychiatrist and say, I need help understanding this dream. I don't think that. It's a matter of... Obviously, there are people who have real problems with that and they should see the proper help.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And so I had six of those, I think maybe five. And then we had a couple of people who kind of did their own thing. And this was 10 years after, that's why I call it Project 8200. because it was 1973 when Pat Price did this and then Putoff gave me the material here after, in his opinion, things quieted down out there and people weren't talking about this anymore.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So he handed me these and see if I would run challenge targets on them. And so the Project 8200 is those challenge targets of asking Stargate remote viewers giving them coordinates to go to and have him describe what's there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I gave them the coordinates that Price had said, this is where I was looking. So I took those coordinates and I told them to go look at these different coordinates and see what they found there. the Stargate remote viewers.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He described them as inside areas where four different kinds of groups of people who had different duties had inside places, that they were inside these mountains.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yeah, these four bases had different stories. I can read them to you what they were. They had different jobs that they did in four different bases. And so he would talk about, well, I'm going to go over to Mount Inyangani now, and I'm going to look at Mount Hayes. And so this is another thing that we talked about before.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He just would go to this place and say, well, this is very interesting over here at Mount Perdido, but I think I'll go back up to Hayes. And then his thing would change, and we had to go through the transcript very carefully. Where is he supposed to be talking about now? And then going back to the discussion we had a minute ago, how did he know which one to go to?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And it might be more interesting and so forth. And that's just in the back of my mind now, so to speak. Silly the way I talk one way one time and say, then in the back of my mind, which I know it's not in there. But anyway, so... the main thing that there was some interest in when some people would read this and say, oh my goodness, they're terrible. They're invading us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They can do this and they can monitor what our radio things are and do this. The single thing that Joe came up with this. First, he was worried about this whole thing in terms of him being a military man and wondering about what's all this going on here. But by the time he got through with going through all the targets, he says, you know, they just don't want to be discovered.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They don't want people around the planet to know that they're there. We don't want people hiking up the mountain and saying, hey, you guys, what are you doing here? Who's they? It depends on which thing you win. And I don't believe all of it. In other words, there's lots of things that they say. Like one of them is their home base is Mars.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But it's not, it's just... It's a passing thing, you know?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I don't necessarily believe that, but other people have said something about that. So I'm looking specifically... at the material I have and not adding in things that other people have said.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So we're moving to the next phase. And let me try to make sure I understand the question you're asking is that the only thing I had to start with, was Price's transcript that Puthoff gave me, right? And I changed them into questions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Joe started out on his thing, and he usually lays down, and then he gets up, and comes to the desk and draws for me and explains the drawing. Meanwhile, I'm tape recording the whole thing. So he says, this is for Mount Haze in Alaska, he says, OK, before I describe these pictures here, I have to make a statement. You have to bear with my descriptions and everything
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
what they lack because I find a lot of difficulty in describing this because I've never seen anything that remotely resembles this part of the target. Now, he doesn't know he's looking at Price's stuff. Sealed envelope and all that stuff. I've never seen anything like it, just have no familiarity with it. I mean, I don't even recognize the screws and bolts of this thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Quantum non-locality. And that comes from quantum physics, which is a brand new thing, only 60 years old, and making it simpler. There's no space, no time. Everything is everywhere, every when. And I'm not going to go too far on this. People turn the channel off.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It's just completely off the wall as far as the target. So I have nothing to relate to. So I have to present it as I envisioned it. And I ask him, what do you mean by off the wall? It's brand new. It's never existed before. This is a prototype of something, something completely new concept.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It's like asking an aborigine who has never seen an automobile to crawl inside the automobile and then describe in his terms, what's an automobile? When he has no terms for screws and bolts and seat covers and windows and glass and metal, even the most rudimentary parts of this thing have no meaning whatsoever." And so we kind of knew he was in trouble. Let me see here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
This is the kind of position I'm in. I've seen something. I have not even a rudimentary term to explain as far as other than a Gestalt concept. And you're really asking me to draw this? So how and why my drawings are not going to be very good? Skip a little bit. Given that's true, here's page one. I have a bunch of water, land, ice, all these general things written here, my sketch.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
This is generally a very desolate area. And drew a mountain range, wrote mountains. This whole range of mountains extends for thousands of miles. So I'll give you an idea of the scale of which I'm drawing and sort of put an X here where I perceive the target to be. So, you know, he goes on in his full transcript about Mount Haze, an icy covered mountain and so forth and so on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He has a lot of them. I want to read you, you've heard of different types of remote viewing. Joe just lays down and talks, but then Ingo Swann, tells this story about you have to put them right across this way and then go down here and write that, go down here and write that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It's Ingo's technique of trying to keep thoughts and ideas organized, which makes me wonder about this whole idea of you're everywhere, every when. And Ingo, although didn't speak of it that way, tries to get you to organize these different things so that you'll stay focused on something and not try to display everything.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Anyway, this coordinate remote viewing here, the whole point of this exercise, other than challenge target, is to say that thing that Price did in 93 years, and underground UFO bases, everything. Is that a bunch of garbage, or is there any idea that maybe some of the things that he said were really true? And so the result of my thing is like, that sounds pretty darn good, 10 years later.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So this, I'm going to read, this is a summary of one of those people that did the remote viewing by Ingo Swann. he didn't do it, but one of our trainees, his name was Bill Ray. Sight is a mountain. It is bitter cold and windy. Much snow, much wind and snow. There may be partly or completely frozen body of water nearby. The mountain is hollow. It is a large cave or crater.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
This has huge rooms and walls, curved high ceilings. There is an opening into the caves. The cavern is clear, sterile. There's equipment and different points there in the corridor. Some of the equipment is for monitoring, other support may be for life support. There are silver metallic ships which are very quick. They are durable and are large and small.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They are used to transport people and equipment. There are some people here, they are thin, emotional, unemotional, and have programmed feelings. They are strange and have a pre-designed mission. They are freezing and cooling, semi-isolated, they feel unearthly. The site has a research feeling, the feeling like security. The people are benign and serious and are interrelated. Site end.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So there are several of those. I only brought one because of time. What I did in 8200 to find out about what Price did in 1973, some people have said to me, oh, that's perfectly, it matches perfectly. And I'm saying, I'm not ready to go that far, but it sure sounds like, you know, you have two people and they describe what it was like when they went to the football game.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And this one describes what it was like going to the football game. They're not going to be exactly the same. And I think that's what's playing into it here. These are all different people trying to explain this strange thing that they're seeing while remote viewing. Programmed thoughts.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
There is a... different concept that they these program thoughts people um can use telepathy to tell you to turn left and instead of to turn right or you don't see anything here some sort of program telepathy um one thing was an interesting thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I was asked, well, people have gone up there, people that are UFO-type people have gone up there and looked around, but they can't find how to get into the mountain. And my wife said, what makes you think they have to get into the mountain? I mean, they can, there's lots of things on different things that are being proven now. They can walk right through them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
If there's no space and no time, there's no yesterday. But it's past. There's no past and no future because it's all happening at once. But how? Because that's the way it is. It's a very interesting thing to ask those questions because many, many, many different people, thousands, millions of people, And different cultures have come along and tried to answer all those questions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Or they can use this programmed thing and not let you see where the cave begins. That was one of the things people were certainly worried about. And somebody said, well, wouldn't some investigators, some intelligence people go up there and find out if this is true because there's all this going on? And I said, I don't think, I don't know, but I don't think they'd tell me if they did.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, first of all, What is the name of that place that they're showing on TV now where they're studying that place in the mountains where they're watching? I'm sorry, I just can't remember right now. But they see lights coming down and going in here and then going through the mountain and popping out over here. So we have these days physically watched that happen.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And the idea that, it was just my wife's comment, what makes them think they couldn't go through the mountain? So a softer way of saying that is they could be controlled so they can't see where they go in the mountain, but there also are real films now that show that happens.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I watch it on TV like everybody else does, and I see it come down. And it's been going on for quite a while. I think you must have seen the programs. I just can't remember the name of them right now. But they—how would I—what do I think about that and how they do it? I don't have an answer.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I know that it's been videotaped, that it's been documented by a lot of different people and they bring in experts in to try to figure it out. And what you see in the films that they make is it goes through over here and it goes out over there. And when I watch it, I'm saying, well, look at that. I don't have the wherewithal other than
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Whatever they're doing, something we don't know about, and that's what they're investigating.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
We're talking about Mount Hayes in that situation, yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yes. I don't have that here in my notes. I have it all written down at home. Do you remember any of it? It's well documented in my books, too. If we're talking about this particular set of beings, in the 8,200 beings, I remember that they...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
would reportedly would interfere with one of our aircraft that would go over and could take satellite pictures in that range and that satellite would have some problems because they didn't want anything to be photographed. They didn't want, it was very important for them not to be discovered. Interesting. And again, they don't seem to be dangerous or concerned with hurting us in any way.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Just don't get discovered. But they got discovered. Well, in this particular case, with the help of Pat Price and 10 years later with a follow-on of these remote viewers looking at it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
So I think what that means is that's the right question. The fact that they can't answer it, but in what I've been doing for a number of years, says that this information we get can only have come to this person one way. And that's the fact that they know this because They didn't read it in a book. They know this because they didn't get a phone call saying, you ought to watch out for this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yes. I had seven, six, Joe, and Joe did all four places. Pat did it, but then I had these other coordinate remote viewers or controlled remote viewers. I had six of those. And that's what I read you when I read you this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
We have to ask the question softer. My job, I was an army officer at the time, and my job to do these kinds of remote viewing things, this wasn't tasked by anybody but me just for training purposes. My results are, these look very similar to what Pat Price did. I think that there's a validity to the Pat Price work and the work that they did.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But when you take one step further is, well, what do I think about them? What are they doing? And how can they do that? And what's this? That wasn't my job. That wasn't something that I know about. Pretty weird stuff.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Project 8200 was about checking out what Price said. And my remote viewers said, well, interestingly, it matches pretty interestingly.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Apparently, it is a common thing in those type of people that are UFO people or running around. There's many, many, many people who have big opinions about UFOs and want to talk about them all the time. Those people...
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
seem to know about this too a little bit and i'm i don't deal with talking to them what is your opinion on ufos are they real i don't know how to answer that question isn't part of my job and i i hear you trying to suck about suck things out of me in terms of well what do you think well what do you think and it's like I think I did a pretty good job organizing how to find out what Price did.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Do you believe in UFOs? You're really good in your questions. I wanted to read you a little bit of this later, but... If I... try to sidestep you like I'm doing right now, then you're going to draw a conclusion. Ah, I know what he's doing there. He really believes in him, but he doesn't want to tell me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
On the other hand, I can say, it's an interesting subject, or I can talk more about it, or I can say, I can neither confirm nor deny. And so there's lots of different things. Do you want me to tell you some stories?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
When I was a very small child living in California as a kid, I was out in the front yard with my mom walking around the ivy that my dad had planted instead of grass so that he didn't have to cut the grass all the time and just had the green ivy out there. Big, huge field of green ivy. And I looked up there and said, mom, what are those five silver things up there? What are those things?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And she just said, oh, they call those UFOs. Don't worry about them. They're fine. And another story from my weird family. Ingo Swann had some encounters with a UFO on the ground and he snuck over a mountain and watched him and so forth and so on. And I asked Putoff, do you trust what Ingo says? And he says, yes, absolutely. Ingo will never lie.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They got a message from beyond space and time and came up with some information that proved to be true.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He'll have mistakes and look at this and look at this. But if he says he was there, he saw one. When Joe and I both worked in Stargate together, same office, I had an incident where I was on top of a grassy knoll, which I now use to explain as ... Again, forgetting the name. I actually have a picture of it. It's important to say this name. There it is. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
You know what that looks like? I don't. It's outside of San Francisco.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
The story that I'm not telling you is about my actual encounters with UFOs. So Joe and I are both working in Stargate. And one night I have this very strong, I'm standing on a grassy knoll area and I'm looking around and there's lots of people, just regular Joes and Janes. Is that a good way to do that? Regular people there and I'm looking around
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And there's a sense of sort of being hypnotized or in a zone. I wish I knew that name. Do you know when the healers down in South America go around and fix your ears and fix your eyes and stuff? They're all kind of mesmerized. In a trance. Mesmerized, right? Well, these people that I was standing around with on the Grassy Knoll area, were all sort of mesmerized.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And they were like looking around and there were aliens in between them, like interviewing them or talking to them and so forth. And I lost my composure because I was doing training in remote viewing and out-of-body stuff and all that. And in my thing, I spoke up and said, well, I teach people how to get out of their body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And the aliens looked over at me and I said, ah, shit, why didn't I keep my mouth shut? And they came over to me and they brought over to me a little This is too big. It was just a little tiny thing that was round like this and had a needle thing here and in here there was a filled with fluid of some kind that was the color of kind of brownish color and it was much smaller like this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And they came around me and circled me and I'm still probably a little mesmerized again by that time, but I was like, I realized I said something that I shouldn't have said. And they stuck it in my leg and squeezed the brown part. And I floated up into the air. And they said, kind of like that. And I was like, The other people and other aliens didn't care.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They looked up, you know, and said, hey, what is he doing floating? No, they didn't. It was, you know, they didn't, because of their mesmerization, they didn't seem to care too much that I was floating up in the air and so forth and so on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Let's just say this is an experience that I had.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, let's not jump to conclusions until I come to the end, and then I'll say I give up. So I had an experience, and my experience was I was in a grassy knoll, and... The next morning I wake up and I go to work at Fort Meade and Joe's in the office with everybody else. And I walked by Joe, well, I'm sorry, Joe was there. Amongst the other people, Joe was there and I saw him there. So.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
In the experience? Yes, I saw him in the experience. So I, with all the other people and the little aliens. So I went over to Joe and I said, Joe, can I ask you something? he said, sure, what do you want? And I said, I was wondering if anything happened to you last night. He said, no, just all those aliens that you and I were with. I said, okay, thanks.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I turned around and walked out of the office and Joe and I to this day have never spoken of it again. Why? Why have you not spoken with him about that? I don't know the answer to that, but we hadn't talked about it. Now, I did talk to Put off about it. Sidebar. Put off. Really believes in UFOs. Okay. Coming back to put off, I said, I told him about my experience.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Didn't tell him about Joe, I don't think. And he says, was it up at, what was the name of that place again?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
No, no, no, no, no. This.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He said to me, was it at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory? And I said, really, you think it was there? Because I know where that place is. And he said, well, there's a lot of incidents up there that get reported. And that's all he told me. But he knew about the Lawrence Livermore thing, so I started looking up pictures. And I said, that looks like a pretty darn good grassy knoll.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Very, very interesting. So when you asked me about that, I was reluctant to say anything about that. And I have had a discrete out-of-body experience and found myself in the, it's hard to talk about dimensions, but I was standing behind an alien in a spacecraft, just a small one, which I understand get bigger and smaller depending upon. At any rate, he said, You shouldn't be here.
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#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I said, I know. I realize this is a strange place. But before I go, could I ask you a question? And this is really a very strong memory. Excuse me in my head. You know, I don't remember what I had for dinner last night, but this is in there. I'm telling myself I'm silly again. Dude, it's not in there. At any rate, and he said, okay. And I said, how do you get from here to Alpha Centauri?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
We can't do that. The only thing that we think about is I have to go really fast for a really long time. How is it that you can go to Alpha Centauri without any problem? And essentially he said, you wouldn't understand. So I said, I agree, that's a problem. However, I know that you have access to my mental thoughts. I mean, you're not talking to me with your mouth.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
You have access to my mental thoughts and I understand that. Can you use what information I have in my head and try to explain it to me? And he said, well, do you know what a Rubik's cube is? And I said, oh yeah, my son can do them in two minutes. He says, okay, so imagine a Rubik's Cube, but not necessarily just the six sides. Just imagine the concept of a Rubik's Cube. And I said, okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Now imagine on each one of the tiles on the Rubik's Cube has a chart of the elements, an elemental chart. And you say, oh yeah, I know what that is. You know, I've had science in school and everything. He says, now, On each of the other five surfaces, there's also elemental charts. And I said, so, okay, but what's the deal?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Help me understand this. I just thought of a joke in my head when you were talking. It's like, you know, he's... trying a second chance, and I snipped the word second. Yeah, I'm glad to be of help, but I am as confused about it too, except for things happen in my life and other people too that say, it's funny you brought that up because I was just thinking about that too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he said, well, you're thinking about going that way very fast for a very long time. What he didn't say to me, which I'm thinking right now, there's no space in time. I'm only thinking that right now. That wasn't part of the explanation. Mm-hmm. And he says, so what you do to get to Alpha Centauri is you just twist the cube. And I said, what do you mean?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He said, well, I told you you wouldn't understand. And he said, when the periodic table occurs in a different place, you're at that place. And that's just a very crude explanation. But you have to stop thinking about go that way for a long time very fast. It doesn't work. And so, you know, the Rubik's Cube and all that nonsense is probably just trying to mess with my mind and everything. And
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Because that doesn't make – how many Rubik's Cubes do you have to have? You know, it's a stupid question. It's just an explanation for me to try to get my thinking straight because he was very strong when he said – So it has to be utilizing some type of a consciousness, correct? I think that that's absolutely true. It's a consciousness act.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Mm-hmm.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Exactly.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, we're trying very hard to think about it as humans in our little brains. But then there does seem to be help coming along like this. Just to end this part of the story, there's no end, there's no speech time. Time passed and it occurred to me, wait a minute, I don't have to twist the cube. If I just turn the cube on the other surface is a different world.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And this same guy spoke to me instantly in my brain, saying, I've been waiting for you to discover that. And it's a lot like, he didn't ever go anywhere because you can't ever go anywhere. So it was very interesting to me. One went, gee, why did you wait three years to tell me that? there's no such thing as the three years to think about.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But it was like, sat me up like this and said, I didn't say anything. In my head, I was like, well, that was pretty interesting. And so getting back to your question, do I believe in UFOs? I have had experiences
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Yeah. But there are false things around all the time. Green ice cream is no good for you. You ought to eat vanilla. So is that a belief system? Somebody told me one time you shouldn't eat green ice cream. So I'm... Where I am right now at 77 years old and the experiences I've had, I have no doubt that there is something going on besides us on this planet. There's something else there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And maybe because the everywhere, every when. And if they are all one, there's no such thing as they're part of us. They're part of our family. They're part of our group.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
do you think that means this and this? And it's like, well, how could you have thought about it yesterday morning and I think about it two days later and it's the same thing? Doesn't that mean there's a little hint that we are all one together? And I use a gesture that you might want to cut out, but I always say,
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Mm-hmm.
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#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
You know, I don't remember. I mean, I even have that on video and the whole thing on my computer, which I'll send you and you can listen to it. But I don't remember actually why I did that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I would rather say what I just said, and that is I don't remember why I did that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, I tended to believe him on a couple of things. I had, during the thing, he... This might have had something to do with put-off, because I asked some questions about it, of put-off. Anyway, the planet is a different size than ours, so you had to be careful about what he said. One time he looked at the sun and he said, what's wrong with the sun? I said, Joe, we can't study that right now.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
We have to look at this coordinate here. And the coordinates on Mars all go just in one direction, east, west, north, south. You know, us, we split this way in our east and west. But on Mars, it goes the whole way around. I got goofed up for a while there. And then I remembered coordinates don't matter anyway. He's just... doing what he's doing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And if I say it, you know, go check out the peanuts, you know, okay. Wouldn't mean anything. And then he came back down and I said, you know, go over there and go over here. And then he said, Mars used to be a good, used to be a healthy planet, but it got hit by something. And I said, are you saying it was something exploded, something was destroyed?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He says it was like an asteroid came and hit the planet and that tore the atmosphere off of it And for millions of years now, it's just been deteriorating after it lost its atmosphere. And then he said, and there are some people in the pyramid thing. I don't know if he just said building or a pyramid, but he could have said pyramid. And people hid in there knowing that the comet was coming.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
They wanted to create an environment where they could survive and then come out after the destruction of the terribleness. And I said, well, can you go? And he was able to go back in time. I told him to go back in time until before that hit. And he described you know, tall aliens and so forth and so on. And I said, well, how about now? Can you go inside the pyramid?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And he said, oh, no, it's been too long. It's been a long, long time. And they're all dead now. They didn't survive. And then he said, but some of them didn't go into that. Some of them took off like they... had a spaceship of some kind and they took off.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
god i don't yes god is a religious word and it's we're getting off track here but it's in my head there is i saw um interesting street scene done with uh muslims and a guy was driving up in a taxi or a car, and all the little kids came around and said, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. And the guy got out of the car and went like that. And they walked away from him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And then he described something that looked an awful lot like Earth before the Earth got torn apart by, you know, a young Earth with volcanoes and stuff all around there. Like, out of the frying pan into the fire was kind of the thing I was saying. It's like, That's as far as they could get, but at least it was off Mars.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Now that I think back, it might be that Puthoff had something to do with trying to get me to do that work, because I remember talking with him about it. I'll send the movie to you and you can see it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
How did Pat die? slowly this or not this um there are many many stories about pat dying and everybody has a different story um do you really want to i mean this is really it's i can tell you that and then you'll have the stories too um There was a sense that, 73 he was active and stuff, 75 he was dead. CIA had bought him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
CMI, CIA got him away from SRI because they saw what he did and CIA hired him. Lived in the Virginia area. Some of the reports say he was in Washington, D.C. No, he was in the Virginia area. That's how far apart Virginia and Washington, D.C. are. Depends on whether you go to the store or not. At any rate, there was a rumor that came up that he was sick and that he was going to die. And
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He collapsed in a restaurant and they took him to the hospital and I'm going to tell these stories differently and you're going to get them mixed up, okay? Took him to the hospital and He disappeared from the hospital when two people came to take him and said they were going to take him to the funeral home. And people say, well, who were these guys? I don't know.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I think when, you know, Bill was on night duty, but he's not here today. And I don't really know who that was. Why don't you check at the desk or something? Nobody could identify who they were. I say CIA would do that because he was their employee and had lots of classified stuff, and so they were taken.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And Russell Targ tells the story that then they were, they took him and they cremated him and buried him in an unmarked grave. And he went looking for the grave. And see, there's the grave that says 155, and it doesn't say. anything about it. It's an unmarked grave where supposedly his ashes are in there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I would suggest that it's something like that, but having you say it was much better. The... That's one story. Okay, second story. Oh, and then, I'm sorry, after he was buried, they called his wife. Okay, and that's the story that Russell got when he went looking for what happened to him. Russell Targ got that. Now, story two. I think there'll be three stories. Story two is Pat Price's
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Russell, Hal. Hal and Pat's wife fly to, I think the place is Las Vegas area, I'm not too sure, and go to the hospital and they say, oh, well, he got taken to the funeral home. They go to the funeral, and we don't know who that was. And they go to the funeral home and there's Pat Price's body in a casket. And Hal tells me, it looks like
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
His wife is there and they agree it looks like him, but it's not so hard to do that to a body and the CIA is good at fixing stuff up that needs to be fixed up. So, I don't know after that. There's four stories, not three. I don't know after that. Because your next question, well, did they bury that? No, I don't know the story to that. I only know what Hal told me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Everything that comes to you comes from what we believe in. not by me giving you quarters or whatever out the window. And it was an interesting, in the movie, it was an interesting lesson he was teaching those kids. They're used to trying to find something to eat and run down the street and chase anybody that looks a foreigner or whoever to give them some money and make their life better.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It was out, you know, he was missing in there and he wound up there and there was a body. The other story we know is like the body was burned and so forth and so on. This is... One, two. Do you know the true story of what happened? Well, no, I don't. But I know when I heard this story from Hal and nobody knew what happened after that, what do you think I would do?
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Did you do that? Nope. I put Pat Price's picture in an envelope and gave that sealed envelope to Joe and asked Joe to describe where the person in the picture was. Interesting. First thing out of Joe's mouth, this guy does something like what I do. And I said, Joe, my task is to tell me where he is. It doesn't matter about he does what you do. Okay, okay, wait a minute.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
He's in an underground office in Virginia somewhere. Okay, Joe, let's start with that, and I'll get back to you. And then he was used to me saying that because I used to take the envelope into Major Watt, now Colonel Watt, and say to him, what do you think, should I continue? I didn't really do that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
But he knew, Joe knew it was okay for me to say, okay, we'll stop for now, Joe, and I'll get back to you. I never did get back to him. But Why didn't you get back with him? I didn't want to go too far. I was doing something outside my purview as being the guy in that office. And I just kept my mouth shut.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, at the time. So, when I think about all the shenanigans that went on before, it looked an awful lot like... Oh, I know what the fourth one is. Somebody said, oh, he couldn't have been killed by... the CIA to get rid of him because he went and got his son this thing and got his wife this thing, and you could tell he was da-da-da.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And I'm saying the CIA could made up all those stories so everybody would go discover those stories. So that's the fourth situation. Interesting. And that's my answer. Interesting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
It was told to be dismantled, and they created one gal who said, no, this is going on, and look at so many percentages of this happened, this happened. And the other guy said, oh, no, it's a bunch of nonsense, and this, that, and the other. It was time for it to be gone. Okay. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
I've long since not been a part of that. 26 years and 12 years retirement. It's a long time ago, and nobody would have told me anyways.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
And this guy got out and he just went like that. And all the kids are like, Interesting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Okie dokie.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
Well, we, in my mind, if I back up hundreds of years and watch the way people have organized what they thought was space, like we talked about a minute ago in terms of The Earth is the center of everything, and everything else goes around the Earth. And then you think, well, no, look, we've measured out over the years, and we found out that not everything is the center of the Earth.
Shawn Ryan Show
#154 Skip Atwater - Bizarre Alien Encounter, Remote Viewing Mars and Psychic Operations
As a matter of fact, if you look, there's things out there, they're really strange, and there's a bunch of things out there, and we're calling those planets. Well, how do you know it's doing that? Well, it took a long time for... guys to figure it out and watch it happen. So we are beginning to think now that this thing we call space is infinite.