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Shaun Walker

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Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

And basically at the first opportunity, he sort of spills the whole story, who he is, what his training was, what his mission is. And she's absolutely horrified and persuades him to go to the police and confess everything. This story much later ends with Britt going back to Moscow and being arrested because the Soviets had realized that he talked to the Canadians.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

And basically at the first opportunity, he sort of spills the whole story, who he is, what his training was, what his mission is. And she's absolutely horrified and persuades him to go to the police and confess everything. This story much later ends with Britt going back to Moscow and being arrested because the Soviets had realized that he talked to the Canadians.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

And basically at the first opportunity, he sort of spills the whole story, who he is, what his training was, what his mission is. And she's absolutely horrified and persuades him to go to the police and confess everything. This story much later ends with Britt going back to Moscow and being arrested because the Soviets had realized that he talked to the Canadians.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

But, yeah, there's a whole bunch of these stories where illegals would sort of – get drunk, they would confess, they would defect. And the whole idea of this program is that they have to be on a very long leash that the Soviets can't be watching them from the embassy, because they they can't have any links. So it becomes a real problem of what do you do?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

But, yeah, there's a whole bunch of these stories where illegals would sort of – get drunk, they would confess, they would defect. And the whole idea of this program is that they have to be on a very long leash that the Soviets can't be watching them from the embassy, because they they can't have any links. So it becomes a real problem of what do you do?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

But, yeah, there's a whole bunch of these stories where illegals would sort of – get drunk, they would confess, they would defect. And the whole idea of this program is that they have to be on a very long leash that the Soviets can't be watching them from the embassy, because they they can't have any links. So it becomes a real problem of what do you do?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

How do you send these people out and make sure that they're loyal when you have no oversight?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

How do you send these people out and make sure that they're loyal when you have no oversight?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

How do you send these people out and make sure that they're loyal when you have no oversight?

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was actually a cameraman, Rudy Herman. Cameraman, that's right. Rudy Herman, exactly as you say, I mean, he had this wonderful degree from Charles University in Prague. He was an incredibly clever guy. And he was posing brilliantly as a right-wing German. But he was very, very good at the job. But the problem was he didn't have any German or American qualifications.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was actually a cameraman, Rudy Herman. Cameraman, that's right. Rudy Herman, exactly as you say, I mean, he had this wonderful degree from Charles University in Prague. He was an incredibly clever guy. And he was posing brilliantly as a right-wing German. But he was very, very good at the job. But the problem was he didn't have any German or American qualifications.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was actually a cameraman, Rudy Herman. Cameraman, that's right. Rudy Herman, exactly as you say, I mean, he had this wonderful degree from Charles University in Prague. He was an incredibly clever guy. And he was posing brilliantly as a right-wing German. But he was very, very good at the job. But the problem was he didn't have any German or American qualifications.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was a very resourceful guy. He learned how to... be a cameraman. He got a good job at CBC, Canadian Broadcasting. Then he moved to New York. He was doing very well. He was making movies for IBM, doing all kinds of interesting stuff. But

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was a very resourceful guy. He learned how to... be a cameraman. He got a good job at CBC, Canadian Broadcasting. Then he moved to New York. He was doing very well. He was making movies for IBM, doing all kinds of interesting stuff. But

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

So he was a very resourceful guy. He learned how to... be a cameraman. He got a good job at CBC, Canadian Broadcasting. Then he moved to New York. He was doing very well. He was making movies for IBM, doing all kinds of interesting stuff. But

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

The KGB really wanted him to penetrate decision-making circles in Washington, D.C., and they particularly were interested in the Hudson Institute, which they were sure was a kind of front for the CIA. And Rudy Herman kept saying to his handlers, like, how do you expect me to do this? Like, I don't have a degree. And they would just sort of say, well, do the best you can.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

The KGB really wanted him to penetrate decision-making circles in Washington, D.C., and they particularly were interested in the Hudson Institute, which they were sure was a kind of front for the CIA. And Rudy Herman kept saying to his handlers, like, how do you expect me to do this? Like, I don't have a degree. And they would just sort of say, well, do the best you can.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

The KGB really wanted him to penetrate decision-making circles in Washington, D.C., and they particularly were interested in the Hudson Institute, which they were sure was a kind of front for the CIA. And Rudy Herman kept saying to his handlers, like, how do you expect me to do this? Like, I don't have a degree. And they would just sort of say, well, do the best you can.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

And, yeah, I mean, it's sort of emblematic of the way that As the decades go on, it gets harder and harder to do this job. The missions are longer and longer. The psychological strain is more and more. And the espionage results, with some exceptions, seem to get fewer and fewer.

Fresh Air
The Real-Life Russian Spies Who Inspired 'The Americans'

And, yeah, I mean, it's sort of emblematic of the way that As the decades go on, it gets harder and harder to do this job. The missions are longer and longer. The psychological strain is more and more. And the espionage results, with some exceptions, seem to get fewer and fewer.