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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Who are you? Why do I have to answer questions to you? I don't even know who I'm talking to at this point. You think I'm just going to answer some questions for some people I've never talked to before?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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You're not Jacob's friend. He called the radio station. Now he's your friend?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Jacob is my friend. Like, I still want him to be part of my life.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Couldn't we stay friends? Are you insane? I even asked my fiance to have our wedding in like a year so you could have some time to heal because you are a good friend and I want you there. I want you in my life. What?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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You guys, you don't know me, but I'm not a bad person. Yes, maybe I made a mistake. Maybe I should have broken up with Jacob earlier, but I'm not a bad person. Maybe?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Hey, I wish Jacob well. I hope he has a great life.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Hello?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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I said I don't feel like talking right now.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Because you just seem really upset about something that, honestly, I do not feel like talking about.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Okay, then just, you know what? Just move on. What do we have to hash out? We don't have to hash out anything.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Yeah. What is that?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Jacob. Jacob. I don't want to hurt you.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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It's hard to explain.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Well, you know my friend Sierra, right?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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Okay, so... A couple months ago, she set up this, like, hangout with some old friends. She was saying we hadn't seen them in a while. Could I just come and catch up?

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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I'm getting there. This is not, this isn't easy, okay? So, one of the guys who was there at the hang, like, well, he was my ex.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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So, we hooked up. Oh. And... I didn't know what to say to you because you're so sweet to me. Oh, my God. And I started dating him again. What? Oh, my God. I know it's messed up. I know. But in my head, I was like, I've always just wanted to have a forever relationship, be married. And so I had it in my head that I was just going to say yes to whoever proposed first.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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And he proposed a few nights ago.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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No, no. I am, I'm engaged to someone else. I'm really sorry. I'm sorry. No.

Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update

Awkward Tuesday: He Saw What He Saw

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What is that? What's going on? Oh.

The Charlie Kirk Show

Ask Charlie Anything 213: Three Terms? First Hand Campus Tour Experience? Vaccine Exemptions?

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I'm well, thank you. I'm a teacher in Western New York and just wondering what so what happens if if they do eliminate the Department of Education, like in a blue state like mine, where right now I have more trust in the federal government than I do in the leadership here in my state.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Hi, thank you for taking my call. Sure, what's up? I'm in a mess. Uh-oh. Well, I don't know. This is dramatic. Okay, so my mortgage payment is $4,500 a month. And, uh, we just bought this house in June and, um, the income has changed. And so I own my own business. So it's, it's definitely, um, it fluctuates, but I make between, uh, four to 6,000 a month.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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And then, uh, my husband has an income of, of 4,000 a month currently. Okay. So, That is, that's what we're looking at.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Well, probably no, no, that is probably not. Um, there, we own another house too. I don't know. How much do you want to know?

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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So we, we moved and, um, we, we had another home and, um, We were trying to sell it, and apparently when we went into escrow and inspection and stuff, the foundation needed to be replaced, and that was like $140,000. So long story short, we still have that home. Did you fix the foundation? No. We are working on that because it's $140,000. This has just been, anyway.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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So we owe about $650,000 on it, and it was being listed for $1.1 million, but with the foundation issue, all the buyers were scared to even take it. So with the rent, we make $1,400 profit a month.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Um, uh, So we applied for permits and we're waiting on that. It can take up to five months. So we've just been working through that the last couple months. How would you pay for it? Exactly. I would have to pull out a HELOC and the whole thing is just a nightmare.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Well, we tried just to give it away for even $950.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Well, we do owe about $150,000 in solar.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Um, my, well, originally it was, it was my husband's job. He's, he's been in the military forever. So we moved here and anyway, we're staying here. Um, Yeah. Okay. So Shannon shouldn't have bought this house, but yeah.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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So we bought it for $460,000 and when I just called a realtor, I got a Dave Ramsey realtor and she told me because we bought it just in June that we'd probably with closing costs and everything probably take about a $30,000 loss. Yeah, okay.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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I mean, she's like, I don't know. Based on it, yeah.

The Ramsey Show

You Need To “Happen” to Your Life Instead if It Happening to You

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Yeah, so rent here is amazing. Well, relative. So we could get a rent, the same equivalent home for maybe $2,000 or $2,200 a month at the most.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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And I'm just want to give her the right information for her financial security for her life. If it's a good thing for her to be on the mortgage of this $600,000 property. Is she in school? She is a junior and she also is a real estate agent and she is making about $50,000 a year.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Yes, and that's what I thought. But he's citing to her and saying to her that we signed a legal agreement and that she has to be on the refinance.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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She didn't. My attorney said that, here it is, he said she is not a part of the settlement agreement. That her signature acknowledges that she's aware that it took place, but it doesn't bind her to any terms of the settlement.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Yes, and I think she can afford her own partner, and I think she's at the stage in her life where that's what she can do and wants to do, but her younger brother and sister also want to live in this townhouse.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Financial reasons. Because he's not a person of character?

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Yes, because he does things like this to me constantly, and I've wasted a whole bunch of my personal money. So that's why I got out for financial things we kept getting into that me and my family had to pay to get us out of.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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I agree. And we have this legal agreement that he has to refinance by March 1st and December 15th. I got an email from a title company and he's now wants to assume the mortgage because I definitely know that he'll save a lot of money on the interest rate.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Right. I don't know if he can actually qualify. I think that's why he needs our daughter to help qualify.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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I know I tried, but it's... Yeah, he's just very convincing and... And he's had renters in and out, but can't keep renters in there. And there was even one time when there was a renter who was an ex-con and he didn't do a background check living with my two children.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Yes. And that's exactly why I called you guys because I didn't know what else to do. I kind of tried those things and, um, Her dad is very convincing and she wants to help.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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She's a really good kid.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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Oh, okay, so I'm calling because my ex-husband and I bought a townhouse for our children to live in during college, and then four months later I filed for divorce. Our divorce was final, but in the divorce they didn't split up the property because my oldest daughter was on the title in the mortgage. So then after that, I had to get a real estate attorney.

The Ramsey Show

Are You Ready To Go Scorched Earth on Your Debt?

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And we're now at the point where we have a legal agreement for my ex to refinance the property and get my name off the property. Or if he doesn't do that by March 1st, then we sell it. But this is... being contentious. And my issue is for my daughter. He's telling my daughter that she has to be on the refinance of the property.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Hi, I'm good. I am Shannon. I'm 27 years old, and I'm a lifelong vegetarian, and I'm wondering if that's worth changing for a man.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Lifelong. All 27 years of my life.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Never, ever. And yeah, it's kind of some unique circumstances for it because I'm the only one in my entire family. And so I grew up in the Northeast and kind of decided from a very young age with a good friend of mine who's basically like a sister that... We loved animals too much and didn't want to eat meat. And we grew up at a boarding school where both of our dads taught.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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So we just ate at the dining hall and didn't really have to have our parents cook for us. So they respected that. And then all these years later, just kind of stuck. Gotcha.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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It's a moose.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yes, it is. Now I live out in the West in a really rural area where hunting and meat is very prominent. And that's why it's become an issue, particularly in my dating life, because everybody where I live eats meat. That's the main part of their diet. And for me, it obviously isn't. And I tried to kind of not bring that up right away, but people eventually learn and then They kind of write me off.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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So wondering if I should start eating meat to give me a better chance at love and dating or if I should stick to my guns.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I have a man in my life right now. There's been many men who have pressured me since moving to where I live now to do it. And so now I'm currently in this casual relationship with this guy out where I live. He's born and bred. So he pretty much eats elk for every single meal, every day. That's all he eats. Elk, yeah. So there's big hunting in elk.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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He kills his own elk, eats his own elk, all those things. Yeah, that's it. He's a carnivore.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I wouldn't know. Yeah. So this is the guy particularly right now I consider quote unquote changing it for, but it's also kind of difficult because we're in a relationship where he's a little bit older than me. He has kids and wants to move closer to where his kids are and that's his priority. So we likely won't stay together forever and ever, but yeah,

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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part of me is like but if i ate meat would you consider making things work whereas me being a vegetarian he says i there's i look at my refrigerator i can't cook anything for you we can't eat dinners together he doesn't want to cook something for someone if he's not going to eat it like he's not going to make me a vegetarian meal so is that more of a problem with the relationship yeah

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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and so it's kind of double double-sided this particular relationship and just in general where i live it is so prominent and why do you i just change it now why do you live where you live out of curiosity well so yeah i i moved out west so i live in like the least populated state in one of the least populated counties so just my chances of love

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, Wyoming. You nailed it. I moved out here to work for a ranch a while back and then just loved it so much. I stayed and loved the community aspect. There's so many amenities in terms of we have a really nice gym and library. There's access to the outdoors.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Absolutely. I love where I live. Yeah. And so kind of right now I feel stuck with a triangle of I can only choose two of the three things, either staying a vegetarian, staying where I live, or finding love. Where if I want to find a long-term sustainable relationship and stay a vegetarian, I have to move elsewhere and I can't really get all three where I live.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And see, that's my thing where now in my life, I don't really have a full on reason not to eat meat. Whereas... I mean, I'm healthy. I like my body where I'm kind of like if it ain't broke. So I don't want to introduce a foreign object to my body and throw the system off. But I understand like we're carnivores. We're supposed to eat meat.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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My body would adapt, but I'm not... Yeah, I wouldn't start with a porterhouse steak.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Everyone... No, like nothing ever, ever.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And everybody has their own opinion on it.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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The person that's wanting to cook it and break it for me. So yeah. And that's the thing too, where my mental hurdle of, should I do this for... this man in my life to see if things will work out better? Should I just do it just in general to take that off the plate within relationships? Or should I stick to my guns and just when I want to, it'll come?

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, that's what I figured.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. Even in social settings, not just romantic. It's such a big deal. Anytime I'm hanging out with friends and I mean, food is just a central part of social gatherings and I don't even bring it up to people. I just like bring my own food or eat beforehand and I'm just there to socialize.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And all of a sudden it's like walking around with a scarlet letter of like, look at the vegetarian and that's getting exhausting as well.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And especially again, where I am is just such an extreme, extreme version of it, where it's not just the gluten free person or whatever. It's the vegetarian in meat country.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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So yeah, and for now, and I would be willing to consider moving at some point if it does seem like it's even still, like I said, I live in Wyoming, the least populated state, and I'm in one of the least populated counties. So just the odds of finding my person statistically are lower, no matter what, what things are out there. So should I just move somewhere else and find someone?

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And we always joke like import somebody to where I live now and come back to it. Or should I keep searching where I am?

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And I don't even think I want to date a vegetarian either. Like the men I'm attracted to and the general types of vegetarian men that are out there wouldn't even be my type. Or should I change my type? Yeah.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And I can't blame someone for that. So yeah. Yeah. But part, I know how ridiculous it's going to sound, but to give you an idea of just my stubbornness and the fact that it has been my entire life, not just like 10 years, I've never used the bathroom on an airplane before ever in my life. And I have traveled all across the world. And it's just like a stubbornness thing.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I have had to pee on planes. I know I should pee on a frigging airplane, but I was like, I've never done it. I don't want to do it. So if I'm that stubborn about peeing on an airplane, For something as big as being a vegetarian my entire life, I feel like that's going to be a hard streak to break. And then look back thinking, I ate meat because of this for this person or whatever.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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It's just going to be something I live with and think about for the rest of my life. But I also might be like, I have missed out on this for 27 years.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Well, if I eat meat, people will care. It'll be like a huge deal and a huge celebration. That part is going to be a whole thing.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, is that and the moment that I do eat the meat will just be so prominent of I'm overthinking it and wanting it to be the right reason and not be like, I ate this for this guy and it didn't work out with him.

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I allowed my friend to cook it for me, not my own father. Shouldn't he have the honor? Because it's been 27 years of buildup, it's becoming a bigger deal to me than it probably should be where I should just try it. If I like it, great. If I don't, or should I force myself to eat it and like it to give me a chance at

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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That does make sense. So I just don't know then where to start. And again, that's kind of me overthinking of it. If I should... I think you should go pee in a plane. Well, yeah, that might be the first step. Break all the streaks. Where, yeah, I should... I just don't know where to start or who...

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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who and how to break it's not like it's something i can just do in my home because i don't know how to cook meat i don't even have meat in my refrigerator where it does need to involve another person okay and so what person should that be where should i start and i helped one of my friends um hike out an elk that she shot again all back to the elk it's big hunting out here i wouldn't help the friend hike out her elk that huh let's start with chicken

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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we'll see everybody has their opinion so some people out here say start with the elk other people take chicken and then fish and so i just feel connected to this elk that i helped her hike out of knowing where it came from all that but there's so many types of meat out there i don't know what to try and i don't want to go to mcdonald's and try a chicken nugget for the first one yeah i wouldn't do that either uh where yeah where to start if i do decide to go this route

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, careful.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Again, I'm not the expert on meat, so probably. I don't know what it's going to do to my body and...

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Okay, great. And then I don't know how, I guess, how long do you think I should give it a chance for? If I eat it, I don't like it. Do I just keep, keep eating it until I convince myself I like it?

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Not much. Because that's the thing. I'm not intrinsically like, oh, I wish I could have that. Because if I did, I would have. Again, I don't have big enough reasons not to.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Bacon obviously smells good. Oh, yeah.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. I haven't tried it, but obviously it always smells good.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. And obviously, it's around me everywhere to just try it off of someone's plate. And I am going to a doctor in a couple weeks just to get normal blood tests and stuff done where I do want to ask them, am I super deficient in something that you think meat would help supplement? Because again, on the outside, I feel...

The Viall Files

E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I feel like I'm healthy, but maybe I am missing certain things that would be helpful to have.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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A justification.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Okay. Because it's scary because I feel like I'm not doing it for myself. I'm doing it for others and the peer pressure of others and not because I smell the hamburger and want the hamburger.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yes, absolutely.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, definitely.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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For sure. Yeah. I think that's the missing piece is the partner and the person where I have most everything else I need and want where I am. It's just finding that person and I'm feeling like my vegetarianism and the place I live is making me more undateable and having these casual relationships with people where I just want to take the me being a vegetarian out of the equation.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. And that's the thing too. When I go other places, I'm like, Oh, I'm not, I don't have a scarlet letter on when I would go to Colorado. There's whole vegetarian only restaurants where I am amongst my people and can eat everything on the menu. Whereas you don't want to live there. No, no.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And I guess I have lived where I live since I was 20 years old. So I've lived there for going on to eight years now where I really haven't in my chosen adult life. Well, I've lived seasonally in other places, but I've always been drawn back to this where I live now, where I don't know if I should try living somewhere else.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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to come back or if i should just again stick to my roots feel confident my decisions of living in this first place i ever found and just being lucky i found it so young um and then like you're saying kind of adapt to the lifestyle that's there i think there's a huge difference between doing things for a man or a woman depending on who you date and doing something for yourself

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Right? Right?

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. And that's why too, I was kind of thinking of rephrasing the question of, should I change being vegetarian for a man? Because I'm like, yeah, no, I shouldn't do that for a man, but for myself to have a chance at finding love and a better option, again, to take that out of the equation and to better connect with friends.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Because even again, on the social friendship level, I have friends who gather for for dinners and they had like wings and buns party and all these things that I'm good friends with them, but they don't invite me because I'm not going to eat their food. So why would I go to the food central event where I'm like, I would still come, but I am the girl bringing a Tupperware or not eating.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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And so to be even more socially included and feeling welcome would also be nice.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Oh, that's so scary.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, it is.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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People's minds are blown, so.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah, I agree. Pretty good psychoanalysis of myself, I would say.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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I don't think I would tell anyone if I did it or I would keep it under wraps for a while because I don't... If it's not something I'm planning to keep doing, I want to know...

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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it's going to be I like it and to be continued part of my diet where I mean maybe again that's part of the ego thing of I don't want people to know I broke the streak or whatever I just more don't want them to celebrate this big hoo-ha thing and everybody make it it's such a big deal that they finally won and made the 27 year long vegetarian change teams

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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My strong headedness. Well, yeah.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Yeah. Well, because it's been an identity for so long and I've I've made it work in so many places. I studied abroad. In Africa, I've traveled all around and even in college, it's like I have maintained this through my whole life in hard situations where, again, I think it's a stubbornness. It's hard, again, where I live, but why can't I keep making it work?

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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But I think changing that perspective to more of a, it would be more to embrace my community than adapting for something or someone else or breaking the streak and all that.

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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I agree. I just be interested to see too what happens once I like have the fork in front of my face where it's easy to talk about it. But then once I'm sitting down on whatever I choose to eat, I don't know if I'll have a visceral reaction all of a sudden be like, Oh my gosh, I really actually don't want to do this. Or if I'll be like, yeah, I'll see.

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I mean, I have to do it to see, I suppose.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I think I would still want to source it ethically. Again, I'm not going to go to McDonald's and have chicken nuggets and all that. I don't think I'll ever necessarily get to that level, maybe after years of eating more ethically sourced meat.

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But again, where I live, you can go to the grocery store and buy beef that was literally grown in the backyard and hunting an elk and all those things. Most of the stuff where I live is locally and ethically sourced. And that would be where I want to start. I don't want the bacon that...

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came from some nightmare slaughterhouses that we hear about exactly so yeah but I still I still don't know once that fork is in my mouth if I will all of a sudden be like oh no I do love animals as much as I did when I was three years old and made this decision I'm sure you do you know but like you know But eating them doesn't make you love them any less.

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I suppose.

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I will let you know once the fork hits my mouth, I suppose.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I do appreciate your perspective of somebody not from my community where everyone in my community is just like, just eat it, just eat it and doesn't really see my perspective. Or again, like this ego driven streak stuff where, yeah, I appreciate your perspective on it from an outside party and relationship expert, I suppose. Yeah.

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Yeah, I absolutely did. Awesome. Thank you so much, Nick. I appreciate it.

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Yeah, I absolutely will.