Shane Bishop

So the four students that were murdered were Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle and Ethan Chapin.

So the four students that were murdered were Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle and Ethan Chapin.

There's a lot of dirt there. The extortion plot with the couple.

There's a lot of dirt there. The extortion plot with the couple.

So we've confirmed with investigative sources that they believe the target that night was Maddie Mogan. One reason they believe that is because the killer seems to have gone immediately up to Maddie's room. So he was familiar in some way with where that girl's room was. As we all know by now, the killer found Kaylee with Maddie. These same sources tell us that

So we've confirmed with investigative sources that they believe the target that night was Maddie Mogan. One reason they believe that is because the killer seems to have gone immediately up to Maddie's room. So he was familiar in some way with where that girl's room was. As we all know by now, the killer found Kaylee with Maddie. These same sources tell us that

there was a struggle upstairs in Maddie's room between Maddie, Kaylee, and the killer. And the noise of that confrontation, the thumping is the words that our source used, got the attention of Zanna on the floor below. So the belief is by these sources that she went up to investigate the thumping upstairs, the killer got interrupted, and then chased Zanna downstairs.

there was a struggle upstairs in Maddie's room between Maddie, Kaylee, and the killer. And the noise of that confrontation, the thumping is the words that our source used, got the attention of Zanna on the floor below. So the belief is by these sources that she went up to investigate the thumping upstairs, the killer got interrupted, and then chased Zanna downstairs.

Mm-hmm. So it's been discussed in court documents that the FBI's CAS team, this cellular area survey team, has found 23 instances in which Koberger's cell phone used a tower that served an area within 100 meters of the murder scene between July 9th and November 7th. We have some additional reporting on that that hasn't been out there, some specifics that we'll disclose on Friday.

Mm-hmm. So it's been discussed in court documents that the FBI's CAS team, this cellular area survey team, has found 23 instances in which Koberger's cell phone used a tower that served an area within 100 meters of the murder scene between July 9th and November 7th. We have some additional reporting on that that hasn't been out there, some specifics that we'll disclose on Friday.

Well, we know Koberger owns a white Elantra.

Well, we know Koberger owns a white Elantra.

We know that Kohlberger attended a pool party on July 9th in Moscow, which was about 10 days after he'd arrived in Washington from Pennsylvania. One of the people we talked to was a woman named Holly, who had also at some point been a graduate student far from home. And so she felt some responsibility to talk to Kohlberger, try to welcome him to the area.

We know that Kohlberger attended a pool party on July 9th in Moscow, which was about 10 days after he'd arrived in Washington from Pennsylvania. One of the people we talked to was a woman named Holly, who had also at some point been a graduate student far from home. And so she felt some responsibility to talk to Kohlberger, try to welcome him to the area.

He seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

He seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

She told him about a hiking group that she was involved in. They exchanged numbers. The next day, Koberger texted her and said, hey, I'd like to get involved with this hiking group. And then for some reason, she just blew him off. She said, the universe intervened, and I never returned that, and still makes her shiver a little, obviously, in hindsight.

She told him about a hiking group that she was involved in. They exchanged numbers. The next day, Koberger texted her and said, hey, I'd like to get involved with this hiking group. And then for some reason, she just blew him off. She said, the universe intervened, and I never returned that, and still makes her shiver a little, obviously, in hindsight.

Police department, search warrant. Come to the door. Bryant! Bryant, what are you doing?

Police department, search warrant. Come to the door. Bryant! Bryant, what are you doing?

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, I was there the day after it happened or the day after the day after it happened. It was cold. I remember that. It was November in North Idaho. And I would say that like a lot of places we visit on Dateline, the town was in shock.

Yeah, I was there the day after it happened or the day after the day after it happened. It was cold. I remember that. It was November in North Idaho. And I would say that like a lot of places we visit on Dateline, the town was in shock.

I think a lot of kids went home. I think their parents said, get out of there. It's almost the end of the quarter. We'll deal with it next year.

I think a lot of kids went home. I think their parents said, get out of there. It's almost the end of the quarter. We'll deal with it next year.

Well, Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. They were both 21. Kaylee had already graduated and she was headed for a job in Austin, Texas. She had just gone down to Moscow for a final night to show Maddie, her best friend, her new car. Ethan and Zanna were a couple. They were both 20. They'd been going out for a short period of time.

Well, Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. They were both 21. Kaylee had already graduated and she was headed for a job in Austin, Texas. She had just gone down to Moscow for a final night to show Maddie, her best friend, her new car. Ethan and Zanna were a couple. They were both 20. They'd been going out for a short period of time.

But what I heard from their friends was that they felt they were destined to get married.

But what I heard from their friends was that they felt they were destined to get married.

Well, the case has been inching its way through the court system. The big news happened back in September when the judge in Latak County in Moscow decided to grant the change of venue that the defense had requested. So they've moved it to the state's biggest town, Boise, Ada County.

Well, the case has been inching its way through the court system. The big news happened back in September when the judge in Latak County in Moscow decided to grant the change of venue that the defense had requested. So they've moved it to the state's biggest town, Boise, Ada County.

A few days after that ruling, Brian Koberger, we watched as he was taken to a state police airplane and flown down to Boise, and that's where he's been ever since. Because there's a new venue in Boise, there's also a new judge who, I have to say, doesn't seem thrilled that he has been thrust into this spot.

A few days after that ruling, Brian Koberger, we watched as he was taken to a state police airplane and flown down to Boise, and that's where he's been ever since. Because there's a new venue in Boise, there's also a new judge who, I have to say, doesn't seem thrilled that he has been thrust into this spot.

One other big ruling that the judge made is that Koberger is eligible to face the death penalty. Koberger will face a death-qualified jury, meaning all the jurors have to be okay with voting for the death penalty if there's a conviction.

One other big ruling that the judge made is that Koberger is eligible to face the death penalty. Koberger will face a death-qualified jury, meaning all the jurors have to be okay with voting for the death penalty if there's a conviction.

I mean, I can't say that I heard the change of venue decision was popular, especially with the victims' families. I mean, you have to realize that Moscow's in North Idaho, Boise's in Southern Idaho, and it's a good eight-hour, 450-mile trip. It's a huge inconvenience for the families.

I mean, I can't say that I heard the change of venue decision was popular, especially with the victims' families. I mean, you have to realize that Moscow's in North Idaho, Boise's in Southern Idaho, and it's a good eight-hour, 450-mile trip. It's a huge inconvenience for the families.

Well, there's so much we don't know about this because the judges have imposed a fairly restrictive gag order. I do know that a complicating factor before the trial is that the witness list will be sealed. So we won't know who's testifying. We won't know when they're testifying.

Well, there's so much we don't know about this because the judges have imposed a fairly restrictive gag order. I do know that a complicating factor before the trial is that the witness list will be sealed. So we won't know who's testifying. We won't know when they're testifying.

I'm sure she'll testify at the trial or at least be called to testify at the trial. I would assume, like some other witnesses, she will fight testifying at the trial because, you know, as people have told me, who wants to come face to face with Brian Goldberg in court?

I'm sure she'll testify at the trial or at least be called to testify at the trial. I would assume, like some other witnesses, she will fight testifying at the trial because, you know, as people have told me, who wants to come face to face with Brian Goldberg in court?

Correct.

Correct.

I mean, these are young women in their early 20s. I mean, I can't imagine. I have kids. We all have kids. You can't imagine having your kid go through something like that.

I mean, these are young women in their early 20s. I mean, I can't imagine. I have kids. We all have kids. You can't imagine having your kid go through something like that.

The connection to the victims has always been a big question. A long time ago, an old LAPD homicide detective told me that motive only has to make sense to one person for one second. The word that comes up over and over when you talk to investigators and also people who grew up with him was rejection.

The connection to the victims has always been a big question. A long time ago, an old LAPD homicide detective told me that motive only has to make sense to one person for one second. The word that comes up over and over when you talk to investigators and also people who grew up with him was rejection.

Well, he's filed the notice of an alibi defense. And his alibi was he was out driving around in his car that night looking at the moon and stars. I will tell you that he seems to feel very comfortable in the dark. He runs after dark. He hikes after dark. He is out driving after dark. He's a night owl. I think the defense will focus on attacking the genetic genealogy of

Well, he's filed the notice of an alibi defense. And his alibi was he was out driving around in his car that night looking at the moon and stars. I will tell you that he seems to feel very comfortable in the dark. He runs after dark. He hikes after dark. He is out driving after dark. He's a night owl. I think the defense will focus on attacking the genetic genealogy of

So investigators very quickly found a knife sheath in the room that Maddie and Kaylee were murdered in. They submitted it to a lab. They got touch DNA off it, that DNA. They used genetic genealogy to pinpoint that DNA to a couple families in northwestern Pennsylvania. One of them was Koberger's, and the rest is history.

So investigators very quickly found a knife sheath in the room that Maddie and Kaylee were murdered in. They submitted it to a lab. They got touch DNA off it, that DNA. They used genetic genealogy to pinpoint that DNA to a couple families in northwestern Pennsylvania. One of them was Koberger's, and the rest is history.

So there's a very unusual hearing coming up later this month called a Franks hearing, which is the defense asked the court to contest the truthfulness of an affidavit in support of a search warrant. This Franks hearing is a very serious allegation that the police have played fast and loose with the facts to get search warrants.

So there's a very unusual hearing coming up later this month called a Franks hearing, which is the defense asked the court to contest the truthfulness of an affidavit in support of a search warrant. This Franks hearing is a very serious allegation that the police have played fast and loose with the facts to get search warrants.

And the defense has asked the judge to toss out search warrants for Apple, Google, Brian's apartment, Brian's car. And if he does grant them that, which it's an extreme long shot, but if he does, it would hamstring the prosecution's case further. And I mean, in an extreme case, they may have to go back and get a new indictment of co-burder, which you can imagine might slow things down for years.

And the defense has asked the judge to toss out search warrants for Apple, Google, Brian's apartment, Brian's car. And if he does grant them that, which it's an extreme long shot, but if he does, it would hamstring the prosecution's case further. And I mean, in an extreme case, they may have to go back and get a new indictment of co-burder, which you can imagine might slow things down for years.

I mean, as far as I can tell, life just goes on, but they're all very ready to get a conclusion or at least some sort of an ending to this case, a resolution.

I mean, as far as I can tell, life just goes on, but they're all very ready to get a conclusion or at least some sort of an ending to this case, a resolution.

There's a lot of dirt there. The extortion plot with the couple.

There's a lot of dirt there. The extortion plot with the couple.

He seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

He seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

Police department, search warrant. Come to the door. Bryant! Bryant, what are you doing?

Police department, search warrant. Come to the door. Bryant! Bryant, what are you doing?

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, I was there the day after it happened or the day after the day after it happened. It was cold. I remember that. It was November in North Idaho. And I would say that like a lot of places we visit on Dateline, the town was in shock.

Yeah, I was there the day after it happened or the day after the day after it happened. It was cold. I remember that. It was November in North Idaho. And I would say that like a lot of places we visit on Dateline, the town was in shock.

I think a lot of kids went home. I think their parents said, get out of there. It's almost the end of the quarter. We'll deal with it next year.

I think a lot of kids went home. I think their parents said, get out of there. It's almost the end of the quarter. We'll deal with it next year.

Well, Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. They were both 21. Kaylee had already graduated and she was headed for a job in Austin, Texas. She had just gone down to Moscow for a final night to show Maddie, her best friend, her new car. Ethan and Zanna were a couple. They were both 20. They'd been going out for a short period of time.

Well, Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. They were both 21. Kaylee had already graduated and she was headed for a job in Austin, Texas. She had just gone down to Moscow for a final night to show Maddie, her best friend, her new car. Ethan and Zanna were a couple. They were both 20. They'd been going out for a short period of time.

But what I heard from their friends was that they felt they were destined to get married.

But what I heard from their friends was that they felt they were destined to get married.

Well, the case has been inching its way through the court system. The big news happened back in September when the judge in Latak County in Moscow decided to grant the change of venue that the defense had requested. So they've moved it to the state's biggest town, Boise, Ada County.

Well, the case has been inching its way through the court system. The big news happened back in September when the judge in Latak County in Moscow decided to grant the change of venue that the defense had requested. So they've moved it to the state's biggest town, Boise, Ada County.

A few days after that ruling, Brian Koberger, we watched as he was taken to a state police airplane and flown down to Boise, and that's where he's been ever since. Because there's a new venue in Boise, there's also a new judge who, I have to say, doesn't seem thrilled that he has been thrust into this spot.

A few days after that ruling, Brian Koberger, we watched as he was taken to a state police airplane and flown down to Boise, and that's where he's been ever since. Because there's a new venue in Boise, there's also a new judge who, I have to say, doesn't seem thrilled that he has been thrust into this spot.

One other big ruling that the judge made is that Koberger is eligible to face the death penalty. Koberger will face a death-qualified jury, meaning all the jurors have to be okay with voting for the death penalty if there's a conviction.

One other big ruling that the judge made is that Koberger is eligible to face the death penalty. Koberger will face a death-qualified jury, meaning all the jurors have to be okay with voting for the death penalty if there's a conviction.

I mean, I can't say that I heard the change of venue decision was popular, especially with the victims' families. I mean, you have to realize that Moscow's in North Idaho, Boise's in Southern Idaho, and it's a good eight-hour, 450-mile trip. It's a huge inconvenience for the families.

I mean, I can't say that I heard the change of venue decision was popular, especially with the victims' families. I mean, you have to realize that Moscow's in North Idaho, Boise's in Southern Idaho, and it's a good eight-hour, 450-mile trip. It's a huge inconvenience for the families.

Well, there's so much we don't know about this because the judges have imposed a fairly restrictive gag order. I do know that a complicating factor before the trial is that the witness list will be sealed. So we won't know who's testifying. We won't know when they're testifying.

Well, there's so much we don't know about this because the judges have imposed a fairly restrictive gag order. I do know that a complicating factor before the trial is that the witness list will be sealed. So we won't know who's testifying. We won't know when they're testifying.

I'm sure she'll testify at the trial or at least be called to testify at the trial. I would assume, like some other witnesses, she will fight testifying at the trial because, you know, as people have told me, who wants to come face to face with Brian Goldberg in court?

I'm sure she'll testify at the trial or at least be called to testify at the trial. I would assume, like some other witnesses, she will fight testifying at the trial because, you know, as people have told me, who wants to come face to face with Brian Goldberg in court?

I mean, these are young women in their early 20s. I mean, I can't imagine. I have kids. We all have kids. You can't imagine having your kid go through something like that.

I mean, these are young women in their early 20s. I mean, I can't imagine. I have kids. We all have kids. You can't imagine having your kid go through something like that.

The connection to the victims has always been a big question. A long time ago, an old LAPD homicide detective told me that motive only has to make sense to one person for one second. The word that comes up over and over when you talk to investigators and also people who grew up with him was rejection.

The connection to the victims has always been a big question. A long time ago, an old LAPD homicide detective told me that motive only has to make sense to one person for one second. The word that comes up over and over when you talk to investigators and also people who grew up with him was rejection.

Well, he's filed the notice of an alibi defense. And his alibi was he was out driving around in his car that night looking at the moon and stars. I will tell you that he seems to feel very comfortable in the dark. He runs after dark. He hikes after dark. He is out driving after dark. He's a night owl. I think the defense will focus on attacking the genetic genealogy of

Well, he's filed the notice of an alibi defense. And his alibi was he was out driving around in his car that night looking at the moon and stars. I will tell you that he seems to feel very comfortable in the dark. He runs after dark. He hikes after dark. He is out driving after dark. He's a night owl. I think the defense will focus on attacking the genetic genealogy of

So investigators very quickly found a knife sheath in the room that Maddie and Kaylee were murdered in. They submitted it to a lab. They got touch DNA off it, that DNA. They used genetic genealogy to pinpoint that DNA to a couple families in northwestern Pennsylvania. One of them was Koberger's, and the rest is history.

So investigators very quickly found a knife sheath in the room that Maddie and Kaylee were murdered in. They submitted it to a lab. They got touch DNA off it, that DNA. They used genetic genealogy to pinpoint that DNA to a couple families in northwestern Pennsylvania. One of them was Koberger's, and the rest is history.

So there's a very unusual hearing coming up later this month called a Franks hearing, which is the defense asked the court to contest the truthfulness of an affidavit in support of a search warrant. This Franks hearing is a very serious allegation that the police have played fast and loose with the facts to get search warrants.

So there's a very unusual hearing coming up later this month called a Franks hearing, which is the defense asked the court to contest the truthfulness of an affidavit in support of a search warrant. This Franks hearing is a very serious allegation that the police have played fast and loose with the facts to get search warrants.

And the defense has asked the judge to toss out search warrants for Apple, Google, Brian's apartment, Brian's car. And if he does grant them that, which it's an extreme long shot, but if he does, it would hamstring the prosecution's case further. And I mean, in an extreme case, they may have to go back and get a new indictment of co-burder, which you can imagine might slow things down for years.

And the defense has asked the judge to toss out search warrants for Apple, Google, Brian's apartment, Brian's car. And if he does grant them that, which it's an extreme long shot, but if he does, it would hamstring the prosecution's case further. And I mean, in an extreme case, they may have to go back and get a new indictment of co-burder, which you can imagine might slow things down for years.

I mean, as far as I can tell, life just goes on, but they're all very ready to get a conclusion or at least some sort of an ending to this case, a resolution.

I mean, as far as I can tell, life just goes on, but they're all very ready to get a conclusion or at least some sort of an ending to this case, a resolution.

There's a lot of dirt there. The extortion plot with the couple.

He seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.

Police department, search warrant. Come to the door. Bryant! Bryant, what are you doing?

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, I was there the day after it happened or the day after the day after it happened. It was cold. I remember that. It was November in North Idaho. And I would say that like a lot of places we visit on Dateline, the town was in shock.

I think a lot of kids went home. I think their parents said, get out of there. It's almost the end of the quarter. We'll deal with it next year.

Well, Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. They were both 21. Kaylee had already graduated and she was headed for a job in Austin, Texas. She had just gone down to Moscow for a final night to show Maddie, her best friend, her new car. Ethan and Zanna were a couple. They were both 20. They'd been going out for a short period of time.

But what I heard from their friends was that they felt they were destined to get married.

Well, the case has been inching its way through the court system. The big news happened back in September when the judge in Latak County in Moscow decided to grant the change of venue that the defense had requested. So they've moved it to the state's biggest town, Boise, Ada County.

A few days after that ruling, Brian Koberger, we watched as he was taken to a state police airplane and flown down to Boise, and that's where he's been ever since. Because there's a new venue in Boise, there's also a new judge who, I have to say, doesn't seem thrilled that he has been thrust into this spot.

One other big ruling that the judge made is that Koberger is eligible to face the death penalty. Koberger will face a death-qualified jury, meaning all the jurors have to be okay with voting for the death penalty if there's a conviction.

I mean, I can't say that I heard the change of venue decision was popular, especially with the victims' families. I mean, you have to realize that Moscow's in North Idaho, Boise's in Southern Idaho, and it's a good eight-hour, 450-mile trip. It's a huge inconvenience for the families.

Well, there's so much we don't know about this because the judges have imposed a fairly restrictive gag order. I do know that a complicating factor before the trial is that the witness list will be sealed. So we won't know who's testifying. We won't know when they're testifying.

I'm sure she'll testify at the trial or at least be called to testify at the trial. I would assume, like some other witnesses, she will fight testifying at the trial because, you know, as people have told me, who wants to come face to face with Brian Goldberg in court?

I mean, these are young women in their early 20s. I mean, I can't imagine. I have kids. We all have kids. You can't imagine having your kid go through something like that.

The connection to the victims has always been a big question. A long time ago, an old LAPD homicide detective told me that motive only has to make sense to one person for one second. The word that comes up over and over when you talk to investigators and also people who grew up with him was rejection.

Well, he's filed the notice of an alibi defense. And his alibi was he was out driving around in his car that night looking at the moon and stars. I will tell you that he seems to feel very comfortable in the dark. He runs after dark. He hikes after dark. He is out driving after dark. He's a night owl. I think the defense will focus on attacking the genetic genealogy of

So investigators very quickly found a knife sheath in the room that Maddie and Kaylee were murdered in. They submitted it to a lab. They got touch DNA off it, that DNA. They used genetic genealogy to pinpoint that DNA to a couple families in northwestern Pennsylvania. One of them was Koberger's, and the rest is history.

So there's a very unusual hearing coming up later this month called a Franks hearing, which is the defense asked the court to contest the truthfulness of an affidavit in support of a search warrant. This Franks hearing is a very serious allegation that the police have played fast and loose with the facts to get search warrants.

And the defense has asked the judge to toss out search warrants for Apple, Google, Brian's apartment, Brian's car. And if he does grant them that, which it's an extreme long shot, but if he does, it would hamstring the prosecution's case further. And I mean, in an extreme case, they may have to go back and get a new indictment of co-burder, which you can imagine might slow things down for years.

I mean, as far as I can tell, life just goes on, but they're all very ready to get a conclusion or at least some sort of an ending to this case, a resolution.