Scotty
Appearances
The Viall Files
E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Ew.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
2004.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, yeah, unfortunately.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think to be completely candid, I was watching the first five episodes and I was both like horrified and devastated. Like to be honest, like I can't really be more vulnerable than that. Like the way I look is so angry and aggressive and like, almost like combative for no real reason.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so watching some of those moments back and seeing how certain things are represented, I was like, wow, like this is so... Oh, interesting how this is like positioned. And I get it. First impressions matter. I think first impressions are super important. And I know that I did not have the best first impression.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But I do think there is like a narrative that's being created and being stitched together based on this experience and and how maybe I showed up or in some moments didn't show up. So I think that was the biggest shock for me.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's like that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
For me, what it felt like watching back was like 99.9% bad and maybe 0.1% good, especially with that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's so funny because the conversation that I was having with Zaina, we actually were laughing through that entire conversation. And so I just thought it was so wild how strong the reaction was. We went to the gym that morning. I made her breakfast and then we sat down to eat. And I said, I made a comment like, oh, did you eat without me?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Because I went to the bathroom to like fix my hair and came back and she had already started eating. And she was like, yeah. And so I think that just dynamic shift after that made it look like I was so upset that she didn't want to do any date ideas or that she was eating without me. And I'm like, I don't know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think in an experience like this, if you're a viewer, you really have to read between the lines. Right. Like I've been in a long distance relationship. for two almost two and a half of the three years prior to joining the experience so if i really was that upset about somebody eating without me there's no way i could be in a long distance relationship right more or a relationship at all and so
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I was really shocked by how strong that reaction was. And to me, as somebody that went through the experience and understood like some of the nuances, I was like, OK, this is people's reaction based on that first episode and how alarming that fight was and how like people were like, oh, wow, like you're
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
fight escalated so quickly so now this is kind of like who you are you know and so that was really me just being sarcastic and I was like so surprised at how many people reached out to me and were like why did you get so upset at Zaina for eating without you and I'm like we were completely
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
completely joking like i was saying hey like i can't tolerate a trial wife that doesn't eat without me and we were actually laughing through the whole conversation so yeah that's believable yeah i can see the sarcasm yeah yeah yeah that i mean reality has no no space for sarcasm no yeah i mean i learned that the hardest because it's like you know eggs are not good cold it's like as soon you gotta eat them as soon as they're done mm-hmm
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And so I literally made that same comment. And so I think what was used was, are you just really not going to eat without me? And I think because my facial expression was so like, it didn't look like I was joking. People were like, oh, he's like a Jekyll and Hyde.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Where do you land on?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
You know, we went for so many walks.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think what we were doing in the moment was we were talking to each other about like what dates we could potentially go on that are not your your nonstandard dates. Right. And so I was just throwing things out there. And I was like, have you ever are you afraid of heights? Have you ever been in a hot air balloon? How do you feel? And we had just gone to the gym.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
So I was like, have you ever done cryotherapy before? I think for me, like what felt strange was the way when you when you watch that scene as a viewer, the way I'm coming off is like, you don't want to do what I want to do. You're rejecting me and I need you to do what I want to do because that's my safe space. Like control is my safe space.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so that was really hard for me to watch because I'm just like, wow, like there's no way that I could exhibit this level of control being in a long distance relationship, number one. And then number two, it's just strange because we were talking about non-standard dates. And the funniest part about it was that night we actually went to STK and just went to dinner together.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I do think it was just very interesting to watch back. And I was... surprised at myself how like, okay, this is kind of how this conversation looks versus how the conversation was.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's tough. I think like, so as far as the conversation goes, like what you're seeing is obviously like a couple minutes, you know what I mean? Of the entire conversation. And beyond that, right. I think the thing for me, that's very different from Zaina is first of all, Zaina is probably one of the funniest girls I've ever met. Like she is straight comedy.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
You know, when she's trying to be funny, you know, when she's not, she doesn't really exhibit a ton of sarcasm and I'm, Super sarcastic. The dynamic shift was us. That was like maybe day two or three of our trial marriage. So we're still getting to know each other.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Beyond that, like I exhibit a level of sarcasm where my facial expressions might not actually match what I'm actually feeling or thinking. And so I think for her, like that was like one of those moments where we were really trying to get to know each other.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And maybe at least on her end, she might have like kind of misunderstood like, oh, he's like really a little bit annoyed that I don't want to do what he wants to do. And so, you know, that's all I can say to that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I'm sure, you know, Zaina might have more like context, but I do feel like we were still so early in the stages of getting to know each other that it was a little bit hard to watch that ITM and be like, okay, wow, like she, maybe like we were in a place where we didn't really know how each other operates and we didn't really understand each other's personalities.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But I honestly like there's not really much that I can laugh at watching the first five episodes. But that was one moment where I could watch it. And even though I wasn't really happy about the way it looked, I can laugh and be like, wow, like I do look I look crazy. You know what I mean?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, there's always change that you can implement. I think for me, like I should have maybe told her and I did tell her. I think maybe that's not what came across on screen, but I should have told her like, hey, we can do whatever you want to do as far as a date. It doesn't have to be anything extreme.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
My fault was I didn't set the foundation for, hey, I don't have any expectations yet because we're still getting to know each other. And instead, I kind of was just myself because we were so comfortable with each other that part of that maybe rubbed her the wrong way. One, because she was in a different relationship and JR has a very different personality than I do.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And two, because she wasn't sure how to take some of what I was saying. And so I think she took it as, oh, this is how I'm receiving what you're saying, even though that's not what I was saying at all.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah, I'm sorry. I just like so many. So let me start with I'm going to work backwards. I'm actually going to answer the last question you asked first. As far as how each couple is taking this experience and how we all chose a different approach, you're absolutely right. I wouldn't call this trash reality TV. I would call this toxic reality TV.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Nobody that is planning to be engaged or wants to be engaged or is looking towards a long term commitment as far as marriage is like, hey, you know what? Let's stop right there and we'll both date other people and then we'll come back and see if we really, really want this. That's not normal.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so I think when you put real people with real relationships and also real relationship problems into an experience like this, you're not going to get normal reactions all the time. So I think it is important for everybody that's watching and also for us as a cast to give each other grace and for viewers to give us grace.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like this is what you're seeing is such an unnatural and not normal reaction. situation for all of us to be in. And I think a lot of times the public is just like, yeah, why are you, why are you acting not normal? And it's like, we're, we're, we all look insane because we're all approaching this in a very different way. And some of us are taking a vastly different approach than the other.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
So that's what I'll say about that. I'm happy to share more because I could probably talk for hours on that topic. Well,
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
That's a tough one. That's a tough one. I would say I would say this. I know Nick has a lot of love and respect and admiration in his heart for Sandy, because I can tell you this much. If I had to deal with half of what Nick dealt with, I would have left the experience. I would have deleted all my social media and I would have gone off the grid completely.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like what he went through, I was my heart was broken for him. And I got a chance to talk to him throughout the experience, even though we weren't really supposed to be talking. He shared some things with me and I was like, wow, like I I feel for you with that in mind. I will say. Everybody is going to approach this experience differently.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And I think JR and Zaina had a very different set of boundaries and a very different set of expectations for each other than some of us did. You know what I mean? And so I think that's why JR was super invested and he was really, really into the experience. Sandy, I think Sandy, as far as how she showed up, I think that she also loves Nick at the same time.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
There's so much that you're just not seeing. You know what I mean? Like there's so much that you're seeing some of us at our absolute worst. Like this is the worst that you'll ever see. Like some of my fights, like my fight with Ari in the first episode, one of the worst fights that we've ever had. As far as, you know, how I looked at that, like I... I was not surprised.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I knew that that was happening prior to it actually happening. So I think for me, watching that back was really tough. I know Nick was really, really struggling. But everybody takes this experience differently. Everybody has different conversations about what's acceptable and not acceptable prior to coming into this. And I think that's why you're seeing this level of intensity with everybody.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like if you are a viewer and you think, oh, wow, you're going to single one cast member out and you're like, you're the only normal one.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
you obviously are not doing enough critical thinking or you just haven't seen the entire season oh yeah you all showed up for the show so there is that it was wild to see like i was like wow this is this is insane like i i was watching that and i was like okay i didn't i didn't know that it when nick came back for the man chat and apologized to jr i almost lost it i know me too i uh it never
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I could never, and I will never.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Ari and I had a conversation back in May of 2023. That conversation was about our love, but also like, what does taking our love to the next step look like? And so for me, that was the first time I realized, okay, not only do we have slightly different marriage timelines, but I have to take that fact into consideration knowing who I'm with.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like Aria operates in this comfortability where she likes to control what's in her orbit. And so if that's not happening, it's very difficult for her to really want to like kind of compromise in that way. Like I could see myself being in a relationship where I'm like, okay, we either get married when I say, or we don't at all. And so I think that kind of scared me a little bit.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so when we got the opportunity to do the show first, I didn't even think we were going to get the opportunity. I was like, look, we'll go through the interview process. And what it will do is it will force us to have these uncomfortable conversations about marriage. Because there's so many people applying and there's also so many people that get reached out to.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And then we're not going to fall in either of those like, you know, six couples that get this opportunity. So when we got it, the mistake that I made is I was pushing off all of these hypothetical conversations about what if you fall in love with someone? What if I develop feelings? What if I have a romantic connection? What are the physical limits of what we can and cannot do?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
We didn't really talk too much about that until we knew, because I was like, we're not going to get it. And that was 100% my mistake. Like we should have had the uncomfortable hypothetical conversations instead of just being like, Hey, we both are working two jobs. Let's only focus on this once we know. And if we had had more of those uncomfortable conversations and
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think a lot of situations would have gone differently for us. And I think that we would have been a lot better in terms of our just communication.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yes, absolutely.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
curious how how you see it so much happened at guys night like there were so many different conversations um as far as nick and jr i think nick came off very apologetic he came off very respectful and he came off very remorseful which i was very confused by i was the last one to arrive and so i think jr and nick had had their own conversation and i walked into the end of it and i was like how what why is what is nick apologizing for like what's going on here so
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think that whole thing was confusing for me because it's almost like JR was expecting an apology for Nick wanting to talk to his girlfriend. And so I think there was like a bit of a masculinity moment there where it was like, okay, like I need to tell you that
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
You're being disrespectful to me and Sandy and our experience, which I think maybe some people could get like, OK, you're kind of invading our space. At the same time, it's like we didn't we didn't need to take it that far.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And I think like for them, it was one of those conversations where you almost don't want to get involved because you know that it could escalate to a level that is like really, really toxic. And I feel like Nick was doing his best to apologize and understand JR's perspective. I think in the moment, JR was just hot and he was like, I don't really care what you have to say.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Like, stop invading our privacy. So that's that. As far as Caleb goes, Oh, Caleb. So I think what I've been hearing a lot online is I've been getting a lot of hate for, you know, you think you were trying to call Caleb homosexual because he wasn't attracted to Aria or he wasn't interested in Aria. And that's not what I was trying to do at all.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I feel like Aria is truly one of the most beautiful and exceptional women to ever meet. We got a lot of attention as a couple. So it really wasn't like that. I will say as far as Caleb, I think I was more offended that I felt like Caleb wasn't being honest about his connection with Aria. I felt like he was trying to protect Mariah's feelings.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And you can kind of see in that moment, he's like, hey, when you go to girls and I want you to tell her these things, but don't tell her those things. You know what I mean? And so I kind of got the energy that Caleb was getting.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
really interested in her, but he wasn't really willing to be open and vulnerable and honest about that when the cameras were on, when it came time to speak about that connection. And so for me, doing this experience and trying to be as honest as I can be, there's one thing Aria can never say is you straight lie to me for this experience.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
There was certain things that you did that I'm only finding it out now that I'm watching it on TV. She can never say that because I was 100% honest with her. Even moments that weren't shown that Zaina and I had, I was completely honest with her. And I was like, I want you to be able to make the decision on how you feel about this and whether you feel like, okay, this is a lot.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I don't want to hear anymore. Or I want you to tell me everything and then I'll decide what it is. With Caleb, he was almost like, hey, I don't think that Mariah is going to be able to handle the truth. And so I'd rather lie to her and protect her and not involve myself with any level of radical honesty that I think this experience kind of requires.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so it wasn't me being offended that he wasn't attracted to Aria because I know he's attracted to Aria. It's more so I just felt like, Why aren't you able to be honest? You know what I mean? I think Mariah is stunning. Why can't I say that and just be like, hey, she is stunning. And that's that. You know what I mean? Why couldn't he say, hey, she is beautiful. We do have a connection.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to navigate that and be better for Mariah. It was more so like. we're friends. Like I feel the amount of times friendship got brought up. I was like, you're like, I can tell that it's feels like a bit of a mask. Like you're trying to overexert this friendship sort of narrative, even though it's not, it's not that.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think it's possible at the same time, you know, there's there's 12 of us that are doing this experience. And they're like I said, you're seeing a fragment of a moment. And I will say this. There's no way that I would have called that out to Caleb if I didn't have several reasons to believe that, OK, there is an interest here on your end that you are maybe not
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
being completely honest is that maybe reason from your your girl telling you that caleb had an interest in her because she seems very convinced that caleb is hiding her his feelings i'm sure aria did feel that way throughout different points like it it definitely felt like maybe caleb was holding back a little bit i am someone where i i want to be honest with someone and tell them like hey you might be telling me this this is what i'm seeing let's have a conversation
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
So for me, it was a little strange because I felt like Caleb was like, hey, you should go talk to Ari about that. Like, I want to deflect any conversation. Like, I don't really want to meet the moment. Like, let's not talk. Let's not have a dialogue. And so for me, that kind of was a bit of a sign, like why we're here at Guys Night to speak to each other about each of our connections.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Everyone went around the room and was able to share a little bit about the connection that we had. except for Caleb. Like he was very limited. He was very short and he only referenced friendship. And so I think for me, I was just like, okay, is this BS or is this, are you just, he was giving, he was giving cagey kind of thing.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think he just was like, this is my answer and I'm not going to elaborate under any circumstance. And so for me, it's like, if you really have nothing to hide, why do you not care to elaborate at all? You know what I mean?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I was very surprised at the way JR chose to bring that up because we were actually starting to get to a more conversational place and less of a combative place. And so when he turns to me at one moment and he's like, are you sure? And I was just so taken aback by that because I was like, am I sure about what? Like, of course, you know what I mean?
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And so I know that, you know, as far as my connection with Zaina, like it was definitely very present. But at the same time, you know, I know the respect I have for Aria. I know the respect I have for my relationship. And I wasn't going to put my relationship at stake.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
because I wanted to explore something with Zayna super early like the guys night happened relatively early into the trial marriage like it wasn't you know it wasn't like week three that that was happening and so to me it was important to check that behavior you know what I mean like JR was was was uh throwing shots anywhere and everywhere and I was like look you have to I know we don't know each other but you have to understand like I don't really have any intentions of
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
trying to manipulate a situation for my benefit in the way that you think and i think it was a little bit telling that he just refused to say who told him um did you ever find out i mean you know i can't answer that you got to keep watching the rest of the season but i will say like so we do find out we do find out there will be a lot of truth revealed okay all truths okay if i were you in that position i've been like well i didn't say it but your actions are giving hall pass bro
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah. And I mean, we had that conversation with each other. I think, like I said, like it was that room was a very tense room. And I think there was so much pent up emotion from all of the guys that it kind of was released in this very sort of combative way. You know what I mean? Like even Nick, like he didn't he was so apologetic.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But there was a moment, too, where he was like, so what are you doing? Are you sleeping with her? Like, are you not? You know what I mean? And so it's like, when you put people into an experience like this, everyone is going to have a moment where they are not...
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Yeah. I mean, I think you're spot on. Like I said, everybody approaches it differently. Like, I think J.R. was focused on J.R. at the time.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Oh, because asking the hard.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
It's yeah. I mean, I think this is the thing. I think our entire cast had an opinion about. whether that happened and that prior was is yeah and so i think um for me at the point that i was at i knew that even before you know i saw the show myself and saw the edit i knew okay some things went on here because i think there was maybe a level of defensiveness that you might not have if
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
you did nothing, right? And so that's why I said about my connection with Zaina, hey, like we're developing a connection, but I'm really working hard to do it without disrespecting her and without disrespecting her relationship. And I know that, you know, she's trying to prove herself to JR.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
She's trying to be like, I can be this person and I know you're hurt and I know you've been hurt before, but let me show you that Not all women are out here to hurt you, you know, and I think it's a very interesting paradigm to Aria where it's like, I'm trying to fight for her and be like, hey, not all men are here to hurt you, you know, and so I think that I don't know.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I mean, I'm not sure if they did. I know that. No, we asked you what you think. What's your opinion? We want to know what you think. I think I think I think Nick was really, really broken. And I don't know that he would be as broken if there maybe wasn't some other stuff going on. I don't know what went on.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
You're not saying no. Y'all are really trying to get me to hurt some feelings today.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
At guy's night, my opinion was they didn't.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Has that opinion changed? I think they have a very sexual relationship. Okay.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I think we got there.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Oh, wow. Yeah, it's been devastating. Also, I want to say one thing. I do want to bring up the argument that Ari and I had, because I know we didn't really talk too much about that. And I do just want to say, I think the hard thing about that moment for me to watch was how I just did not show up for her in the right way. And I love Aria with my whole heart.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
That was possibly like one of the most hurtful things for me to do is just gaslight her and dismiss her feelings. And I'm still hurt by how I just didn't show up for her in that moment. And I was, it's so hard for me to watch. And I feel like I'm really having like a hard time emotionally right now, just because I know like there's a lot of online commentary and hate about it.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
But I will say like, I think the hard thing for me is, you know, Nick, I watched your sort of mini recap of the ultimatum prior to meeting with you all. And it did make me think because you had a very, different perspective than I think most people that are watching right now are having.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
And it's really tough just because I think sometimes I am not, I'm fighting for a woman to see that I'm not the man that she loves the most, but I'm like the man that she hates the least. And I know that she's had so many difficult and hard experiences in life that have made her kind of guarded and closed off. And so I really know that I hurt her in that moment and
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
The only thing I can really do is take accountability and, you know, tell her how much I love her and show her that, you know, that was the worst possible reaction of me trying to, trying to respond and just not showing up, you know, like I should have approached that situation with love and not for love. And so I think it was like me trying to convince her like, Hey, I love you.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I'm not going to really hurt you. And she's like, but you did. And I'm like, aren't you seeing who I am? And she's like, no, you hurt me. And so I just think it was really, really hard to watch. And so I just hope that as far as the commentary goes, there was obviously a lot more to that debate. And I don't think it's as magnified as you do see on screen.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Nobody else in the room was actually hearing what was going on. But at the same time, we all have to be accountable in this experience for a lot of different things. And I couldn't end this interview if I didn't share that I just didn't show up for her in the right way in that moment. And gaslighting is never acceptable. And I think that in that moment, I don't even know why I said what I said.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
I just was like, Hey, like I'm, I don't know. I didn't, I didn't do it. And I was just like, that was, you know, that was just not the right way to show up.
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E852 - The Ultimatum w/ Scotty, Jay-Z Accused, Hawk Tuah Scam? Southern Charm Premiere, and RHOSLC
Literally.