Saul Grover
Appearances
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
He's appealing the decision he won. He wants it upgraded from indirect to direct discrimination, and he wants damages increased from $10,000 to at least $30,000, and he wants aggravated damages of at least $10,000. He also wants me to pay his legal fees, which were... always told to the court to be pro bono, but they have now decided are not. I mean, it feels personal at that point.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
Like it feels like this is someone who's just trying to financially destroy me because I don't accept that a man can be a woman.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
Do not apologize for a single thing. You have literally done nothing wrong. By acknowledging reality and the truth and saying that men can't be women, there's no crime that you are committing. Not one thing. They do not care. It doesn't matter what you say or what you do. Even if you actually were to just give in and say they're right about everything and I'm sorry and men can come in,
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
they still will not forgive you.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
It's not a human right if it takes away rights from other people. So that's why women's rights don't actually take away rights from other people. They add women to it. It's like civil rights didn't take rights away from other people. The only people who benefit for gender identity in law are men who claim to be women. And they're the ones who take the rights away from other women.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
I woke up on the 7th of February, 2020. We were in beta testing phases. So a handful of women around the world knew about it. The app was still full of bugs. The security wasn't in place yet. It wasn't ready to be launched. It was close, but it wasn't ready. And I woke up to thousands upon thousands of one-star reviews in the App Store and Google Play saying, you're a transphobe.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
You've known what you did wrong. You're a TERF. I'd never heard the word TERF before. I had to Google it. I just got sort of thrown into this absolutely insane world. And I remember saying to my mom, So, you know, we were completely canceled. I didn't realize how much, but it was as bad as it could be really. But in my optimism at the time and thinking, and just going, this is so stupid.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
I was like, this will blow over in a few months.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
This has completely turned my life upside down. It really actually wasn't until I got the AHRC complaint that I realized that there was nothing I could say, no amount of kindness or just trying to find ways with this group, this demographic of people that would make them rational. The premise is so absurd and it is enough to sort of make you to drive you insane or make you feel insane.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
So you just sit there and some, some days I have to remind myself, like I'm 100% right. Like I know in my bones that I'm right.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
The decision that we got in Tickle V. Giggle was that sex is changeable, which is obviously wrong. Sex is not changeable. However, and the judge also didn't have to go so broad with that. I mean, the question on the table was gender identity discrimination, and somehow he got to sex is changeable from that. But What he is essentially talking about is this concept of legal sex.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
We need to get legal sex out of legislation for there to be any sort of sex-based rights for women and for men, because there are sex-based rights that exist for men as well. But it's also freedom of speech, freedom of belief and freedom of association.
The Brett Cooper Show
Why Trans Activists Are Attacking This Gym Owner | Episode 14
Because the moment that you have anything in legislation that says that you have to accept a man as a woman or a woman as a man or a man or woman as non-binary or cloud gender or any of the other ridiculous nonsense they've come up with. your freedom of speech, belief, and association is being violated. That is the natural human rights abuse.