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Being a part of that process, holding someone's fate in your hands was heavy. And I knew even then that I couldn't just walk away from it. I had to share about it. If you've been following the podcast, we've got something new for you. Now you can dive even deeper into each episode on our website, sequesteredpod.com.
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We've added exclusive blogs for every episode packed with extra details, behind the scenes insights, and key moments from the trial. Plus, we've organized all the trial and news coverage by each day of the trial. so you can follow along just like we did in the jury room. Head over to sequesteredpod.com now to explore the case in a whole new way.
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It felt like all of this aligned for a reason. And saying yes wasn't just a decision. It was a commitment. A commitment to Jasmine's story. A commitment to honoring her life. This experience has reshaped my perspective in ways I never anticipated. I'll share a lot about that in this episode. And now, as we close out this podcast, we're going to explore the journey we've taken together.
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Next, Andrea and I had the opportunity to sit down and speak with the prosecutors who fought tirelessly to bring justice to Jasmine Pace's family. District Attorneys General Cody Womp and Paul Moyle had been at the forefront of this case from the very beginning, determined to ensure that Jasmine's story was heard and that her killer was held accountable.
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This conversation was especially impactful for me because both of them had become such sources of inspiration, particularly DA Womp. Her passion for Jasmine was so evident throughout the entire trial. You can just tell that she's someone who walks through life with justice as a guiding principle. Our conversation with them was candid and emotional. We gathered in D.A.
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Womp's office, her and Moyle in a set of cozy chairs, and the two of us on a comfortable couch with a long coffee table splitting the difference between us all. Everyone was in casual attire, Birks, flannel. It was nice, the opposite of official.
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But what struck me most was how willing they were to share their perspectives, not only as legal professionals, but as human beings who were profoundly affected by the weight of this case. We discussed the trial, shared our own questions and curiosities, and reflected on what it all meant.
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Hearing their insights, especially after diving so deeply into this podcast, brought another layer of understanding to everything. We ended our conversation with them with a couple of questions, and we wanted to share their responses with you. The first was for D.A. Womp about her advocacy for victims' rights.
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I wanted to know what drove her passion in this area and how it shaped the way she approaches cases like this one. Here's her response.
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And sort of along the same lines, I also asked her what moments from her career reminded her of why she does this work. I was curious to know if there were cases, experiences, or even particular moments that reinforced her commitment to advocating for victims and their families. What fuels her passion and keeps her going, even when the work feels heavy?
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Today, we'll dive into the questions you, our listeners, have asked along the way. We'll revisit key moments and share insights from a couple of my fellow jurors, journalist Latricia Thomas from News Channel 9, and a conversation we had with District Attorneys Cody Womp and Paul Moyle. It's a special episode that we hope resonates with you.
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Finally, I asked both DA Womp and DA Moyle what they hope people will take away from this trial. For Jasmine, for her family, and for the broader fight for justice. Here's how they each replied.
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This is Sequestered, a juror's perspective on the murder trial for Jasmine Pace. I'm Sarah, juror number 11. Each episode, I'll take you inside the courtroom, behind the scenes, and into the weighty moments of this trial as we honor Jasmine's life and navigate the complexities of seeking justice. Let's begin. This is episode 10, After the Verdict. Leaving Chattanooga felt surreal.
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Their passion for seeking justice was evident. They didn't just see this as another case on the docket. It was personal for them individually and as a team. And their dedication left an impression on me that I continue to carry. Hearing their words, their resolve, their compassion only deepened my own sense of responsibility.
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It made me reflect on why I felt so compelled to create this podcast in the first place. To honor Jasmine's story, to make sure her name is remembered, and to acknowledge the tireless work of the people fighting for justice every single day. This journey really has changed me.
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And as we come to the end of this podcast, I want to share some of the personal reflections and lessons I've taken away from all of this. Throughout this journey, we have heard from so many of you, listeners who have been moved by Jasmine's story, who've followed this case closely, or who've simply had questions about the process.
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And as I reflect on everything we've shared, I wanted to take some time to answer a few of the questions that have come up the most, questions that I've been asking myself too. One of the most common questions I've heard is, why did I decide to make this podcast instead of just moving on? And my answer is simple. These stories need to be told.
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We talk about serial killers and we make them heroes in our society. We talk about what they did to the victim as if that moment defines someone like Jasmine Pace. And that's just simply not the case. I know that cases like this and worse happen across the globe every single day. It's such a tragedy.
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this one could have passed me by and I might have started my new year never knowing Jasmine's name or hearing her story but January 2025 presented me with a very different set of circumstances I couldn't just go back to my normal life after going through this experience it has changed me Another question I've been asked is, what do I hope people take away from this podcast? I think about D.A.
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Womp's closing statement here, specifically when she so passionately delivers the words about how victims matter.
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She's absolutely right. We hear a lot about the perpetrator in cases like this. Their names are the ones splashed across the headlines, their actions dissected and analyzed. But what often gets lost is the victim, the person whose life was stolen. When it comes to crimes like this, we need to say the names of the victims and the survivors more often.
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They deserve to be remembered for who they were, not just for what happened to them.
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So I guess my hope for this podcast is the same as DA Wong's, that somewhere down the line, when you think about this case or hear it on another show, Jasmine Pace is the first name you recall, that you remember her for who she was as a person, her kindness, her vibrancy, her dreams, and not just the tragedy that ended her life. And then there's the question that feels most personal.
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Would I ever serve on a jury again after this experience? I've thought a lot about that. It's hard to say yes right away because this experience has been so intense emotionally and mentally. It's not something I could go through again lightly. Serving on this jury was life-changing, but also incredibly heavy.
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The weight of the responsibility, knowing that real lives are impacted by the decisions we make, it's daunting. But I also recognize how important it is to have people who are willing to show up, to listen, and to do their best to seek justice. I felt honored to do that with the other 15 people I was called to serve alongside of.
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Being a juror isn't easy, and I have so much more respect for the process now. It's not just a civic duty. It's a profound act of service. So would I do it again? I think I would, but only if I felt I could give it the attention and care it deserves.
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Welcome to the final episode of Sequestered, a jurors perspective on the murder trial for Jasmine Pace. I'm Sarah, juror number 11, and I can't believe we're here. This journey began months ago, but it feels like it's been a lifetime. In January 2025, I was chosen to serve on the jury for the state of Tennessee versus Jason Chen.
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After reflecting on my own experience, I kept coming back to the person who's been with me every step of the way on this podcast, my co-producer, Andrea. She has spent 99% of her time behind the scenes of this podcast, researching, writing, building out the website, and all of the backend details. She has poured her energy into making sure Jasmine's story was told with care and accuracy.
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But Andrea's experience has been entirely different from mine. She watched the trial unfold from the outside, piecing together things through live streams and endless research. And then she relived it all again as we built this podcast together. Her perspective is unique, seeing everything from a distance, but still feeling the weight of it all.
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So I was curious, what has this entire experience been like for her? These are her thoughts.
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My world had shifted on its axis. I had spent nine days so deeply entrenched in the details of Jasmine's death and life, and then suddenly it was over. The case was finished, but nothing felt resolved. I returned home, but life didn't snap back to normal. Everything had changed. Instead of unwinding, I felt compelled to throw myself into this project almost immediately.
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In closing, I guess I just want to say, I think that Jasmine was in need of comfort that night. She had no idea what was coming. And the truth is, none of us did. There's such a finality to what happened. Jasmine will never get to fulfill her dreams. Her family will never get to see her face again, hear her laugh, or watch her move through life's experiences.
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The loss is so profound, it's hard to put into words. And yet, Jasmine's story isn't over. Not really. Because we remember her. We say her name. We keep her memory alive by honoring who she was, not just how her life ended. Maybe that force we were feeling to make this podcast was Jasmine herself.
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It's something I've often wondered, as if she's been walking with us, guiding us to share her story in a way that feels true and respectful. I want to believe she's here, still watching over her family, her presence felt in every sunset, her spirit woven into the hearts of everyone who loves her. I really hope so.
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Before we go, if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence or feels unsafe, there is help available. You can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE or visit thehotline.org for resources, support, and confidential assistance 24-7.
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A huge thank you to News Channel 9, Local 3 News Chattanooga, and Court TV for your thorough and compassionate coverage throughout this case. Your reporting allowed us to share Jasmine's story in its fullness and accuracy. And to everyone who has listened, asked questions, and supported this effort, thank you. It means more than words can express.
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To Jasmine's family, if you're listening, I hope we've done her justice. I hope you feel her presence close to you every day. This may be the final episode, but it's not the end of this story. Our search for answers continues, and we're committed to sharing everything we learn with you.
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We invite you to visit the website sequesteredpod.com for a deeper dive into each day of the trial, including blogs and photos from the case. Finally, if you've enjoyed this podcast, please take a moment to rate and review it. It's the best way to get the word out. Thank you so much for listening Thank you for listening to Sequestered, a juror's perspective on the murder trial for Jasmine Pace.
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There was this urgency, like if we didn't start piecing everything together now, the details would slip away forever. I'd been journaling in my hotel room during the trial, trying to capture everything I could, but most of my notes were kept in a notebook that I was required to leave at the courthouse. I took a lot of notes throughout the trial, pages and pages of details, timelines, testimonies.
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Each episode brings us closer to understanding the trial, the people involved, and the weight of seeking justice. If this story speaks to you, please follow, share, and continue the conversation with us. Jasmine's story deserves to be remembered. This is a BP Production. The show is written, edited, and produced by me, Sarah Reed, with co-production by Andrea Clyde.
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News clips featured in this episode were sourced from WTVC News Channel 9, Local 3 News Chattanooga, and the Law and Crime Network. Music and sound design are curated to reflect the gravity and sensitivity of this story, and with the intent to honor Jasmine, her family, and the community affected by her death.
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For more information or to connect with us, visit sequesteredpod.com or follow us on Instagram at sequesteredpod. Thank you for listening. Until next time, stay curious and stay safe.
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I had no idea those notebooks would be collected and locked away as soon as the trial ended. That was a huge loss for me. But thankfully, the trial had been livestreamed. And even more thankfully, I had people back home in Nashville watching it in real time, every single day. One of those people was Andrea, my co-producer.
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And what I expected to be a civic duty became a profound, life-altering experience. This case has been like a gravitational force, something I couldn't shake, even after the verdict was delivered. From the moment I returned home to Nashville, it was like my mind and my heart couldn't leave Chattanooga behind.
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When I told her I was going to be on a sequestered jury, she was immediately hooked on the case and ended up watching the entire trial online as it was happening each day, taking all of her own notes along the way. The realization that this might become a podcast hit me like a lightning bolt on day four of the trial in the evening.
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I was sitting in my hotel room, working on this ridiculous miniature house of a greenhouse garden, a Christmas gift I'd received years ago. It's this delicate model building project with thousands of pieces. Tiny plants, paper rugs, doll-sized furniture. Think building a model plane or assembling a ship in a bottle. Something that would take hundreds of hours of solitude to complete.
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Perfect for a 10 to 14 day sequestration, right? I was deep into assembling some little detail when it happened. My hands stopped, the tiny paper rug between my fingers fell to the table, and I heard myself say out loud, oh my God, we have to do a podcast about this. It felt like a switch flipped, like my brain had suddenly connected all the pieces I'd been holding.
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I shot up, grabbed a notebook, and wrote down the words, sequestered, a podcast from a juror's perspective. It wasn't until after listening to DA Womp's closing statement that the title became what it is, a juror's perspective on the murder trial for Jasmine Pace. This wasn't just about processing what had happened to me, to Jasmine, to her family, to the community.
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It was about honoring her story, about refusing to let her name fade away. As we drove back to Chattanooga to visit the sites from the trial, we saw them through fresh eyes. We stopped at each of the places mentioned. 110 Tremont Street, 900 Mountain Creek Road, Walmart and Walgreens, and of course, Suck Creek Road.
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Standing in each place, we tried to absorb the atmosphere and tried to understand the perspective of Jasmine's story that each space held. The trailer for this podcast had practically spilled out of us. We had so much to talk about, me experiencing it from the inside and Andrea watching it from the outside. We both had two entirely different perspectives of this case.
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The two-hour drive back to Nashville became a brainstorm session. We mapped out episodes, sketched ideas, and decided how we wanted to tell this story. We had this grandiose plan of writing and recording all the episodes in quick succession, releasing them while the trial was still fresh on everyone's mind. But we quickly realized how much effort each episode not only demanded, but deserved.
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And what started as a seemingly simple project turned into something we poured our whole hearts into. Instead of batch recording 10 episodes for quick release, we ended up devoting over 40 hours a week each to researching, writing, editing, producing, blogging, and building a place for Jasmine's story to be shared.
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It's just the two of us, aligned with a deep passion for this case and for ensuring Jasmine's story is known and heard. I have experience in the podcast industry, but I've never done a podcast like this before. This time of sequestration has changed my life, though, and I felt compelled to share my unique perspective of this experience.
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I was home for less than a day before my co-producer Andrea and I were writing and recording the trailer for this podcast. And just three days later, we were driving back to Chattanooga to retrace Jasmine's steps, to see the places that had only been described to us in court. Sometimes a force so immense comes into your life and you just have to step into its current.
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And now here we are, the final episode, nearly three months since the day I walked into my first day of jury selection. And I feel like I'm only beginning to understand the weight of it all. Many of you have reached out with thoughtful, heartfelt questions.
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I've tried to gather them into some common themes, and I think a natural place to start is with the emotional toll this case took, not just on Jasmine's family and loved ones, but on everyone connected to the trial. Shortly after I returned from Chattanooga, I had the chance to sit down with Latricia Thomas from News Channel 9.
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She had interviewed me for the network, but once the cameras were off, I was able to ask her a few questions of my own. One of them was about the community impact and what this case meant to the people of Chattanooga. Latricia had covered this case for over two years. Not only that, she had reported on every detail of the trial as it was happening for each of the nine days it was broadcast.
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Needless to say, she had a lot of context on this case, and that was my biggest curiosity. I loved her answer.
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The way Latricia described it, the intensity of the community's concern, the emotional investment, it struck me. It made me realize how many people outside of that courtroom were waiting and watching, hoping for answers and for justice. It was clear to see the reach of this case extended far beyond the courthouse walls.
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Of course, it had impacted Jasmine's family and friends, but also her entire community. I've been able to stay in touch with many of the jurors after the trial, and some have graciously volunteered to share their thoughts and voice memos. Here's juror number eight sharing a summary of his experience serving on this jury.
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This felt like a giant ship pulled up alongside of me and I just climbed aboard without hesitation. Saying yes to this journey was like stepping onto that ship and committing fully to wherever it would take me. I mean, I could have opted out. I could have found a way to avoid serving on the jury or even walked away once the trial was over. But something deeper pushed me forward.
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It affected us each in different ways. Some of us carried it like a weight we couldn't shake, while others tried to compartmentalize the experience and just get through the day. Processing something like this is messy and imperfect. And we all felt it. Juror number one described his experience like this.
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People have asked me how I've been able to process everything after this, how I was able to see all of that graphic detail or carry the weight of the responsibility. And I think the simple answer is, I haven't. Not entirely. Processing something like this isn't a task you can complete or cross off a list. It's something you carry and revisit over and over.
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And the people connected to this case feel its weight in different ways and at varying degrees. I've learned a lot about myself throughout this process. I mean, what a wild experience I went through. There's no way I could be the same person after something like this.
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And I say all of that knowing that not every juror leaves their civic duty and immediately spends the next 10 weeks making a podcast about the very thing they were just semi-forced to live for 10 days. What surprised me the most throughout the trial was how much I was drawn to the judicial process itself.
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From the legal formalities to the structure of the proceedings, the purpose behind each witness, and the strategic introduction of every piece of evidence. It's all meticulously crafted. The entire trial is a story being unfolded in real time, with twists and turns and revelations. And in the end, at least in this case, it's the jury who decides how the story concludes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
55.
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No.
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Ooh.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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100%.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm so glad to be back.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Wow. Depressed. I was going through it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They're doing stuff outside of social media. And I don't know, it just changed my whole perspective on everything. I was kind of like, why do I care about that? I know what these people are like. I don't need to tell everyone. Like, I know.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was my first experience of this place so I kind of like, I'd see these people everywhere and I thought they were like real and friends and I kind of learned along the way that there's not many people you can trust in that influencer-y thing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Literally.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Summed everyone up.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They've all got the fake drip. I'm like, okay.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Literally. That's a really good indicator. You're a loser. That's everyone in LA.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, everyone I know. I only got introduced to the clicks, you know?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's amazing. It's like people are actually doing things outside of what I'm doing, and I'm like, wow, what I'm doing is not the be-all, end-all of everything. I don't have to worry about stuff online. People are doing different shit.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What do you mean purchasing? Like a normal job?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Everyone, yeah. Everyone's in finance. Everyone's cool. I'm like, this is where I should be. Sales associates. Yeah. This is the men that I want to surround myself with.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. All of the cool stuff. But yeah, no, they're like real down to earth. If they don't like you, they'll tell you. And I'm like, thank you. Like, I just want people to be honest. Oh my God, I love her. Yes. Oh my God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I haven't seen you in so long and you're like, you were just talking shit about me. Let's get lunch sometime. Oh, weren't you just sleeping with my ex? That's crazy. Good to see you. Oh my God. I'm like, that's literally my life.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Literally. And then you have a new show and they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Non-existent. And I'm loving that. I'm not going to lie.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I did date what I thought was a normie. It turned out to not be so normal.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But he was like not, you know, out of the scene. No one knew who he was. Low key, didn't post online, private account, ticked all the boxes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes. And then I kind of thought that that was like by choice. And then I realized this guy's like, you know, maybe he's hiding some stuff. And I moved to New York and I was like, you know, with him for a while, things were good. And then, yeah, not so good. Now I'm like, I dated another person after that. That was the most diabolical person I've ever dated in my life. The most? The most.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like I'm not, we've topped. It's like anyone I'm attracted to, I need to like get away from. How do I change that?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. I'm like doing therapy now. So I'm like unpacking that. I'm like, what's wrong with me? Why do I find these people? Like, It's insane.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So manipulative, can present a whole person that they're not. And you find out a few months later that they're nothing like that. Really controlling, gaslighting. The last guy I was seeing literally went through my phone in my sleep, hacked my iCloud, got my location and had tracked me for five months. I had no idea.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
When we stopped speaking, it was turning up to places that I was and making out it was a coincidence. Then one night called me and told me, I know you just walked through your front door. And I was like, dude, I'm moving. The people I meet are like next level.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I was like, wait, that's hilarious. That's like I think about that's not hilarious actually happening, but like. You never know who you're dating. You're like, what if I'm a psychopath?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Were you that bad?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I feel like I mistake chemistry. Like I think I'm connecting with someone and it's actually like a toxic bond forming. It's someone really manipulative and they're really playing me. And I'm like, we're so the same. Oh my God. This is like, I'm going to marry this person. And then I realized nothing like that. I'm like, I need to like stop. I need to chill. That's crazy.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
yeah i just like maybe i'm the only good guy so wait how did you how did you honestly probably how you are how did you get um your his your location off of his like phone so i i had an inkling something was going on when he kept turning up to places that i was and i was like calling my mom and i'm like this sounds really crazy but there's too many coincidences happening he keeps turning up to places and she's like he's tracking you and i'm like
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
how would I even see that? So I went through my phone and looked at like location was off. I made sure family sharing. I've heard you can do that. Turn that off. I'm like, no, I have to be good. This is in my head. Then the phone call happened and I'm like, panic. I go into Apple. They've seen this shit before.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So they're like changing all my passwords, like telling me what was probably their likely scenario. And I 100% know it. Like I'm a deep sleeper. He knew my password. I would always fall asleep before him. Sometimes I'd wake up, the vibe would be off. I wouldn't know why. It was like obvious that he'd been snooping, doing stuff. And he knew things that you could only know if you were in my phone.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like But I was like, you know, what are the odds of that? Like, you just never think it will happen until you have proof. Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Who? I've never met a man like this. This is like... I'm not kidding. He's like possessed.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Too short to act like that. I'm such a bitch. That's the thing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You know, Harry could get away with their height. So tall. We made some exceptions. Not that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Be careful of the ultra successful short kings. See, that was it. Successful Short King. That's crazy. And when I met this guy, I was like, he's a dream. Like, he's foreign, cute accent. Like, we really vibed. He was like, I'm not like, you know, I'm kind of, I don't really care about the scene-y stuff. Oh, when they say I'm not like. Yes. And then...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I've never met someone that wanted to put me down so bad. Very successful. I was always like, you're amazing. You're so great. He was like, your career is so embarrassing. Can't be seen with you in public. Don't walk near me at this event because we can't be seen together.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, because it was kind of put through in a way that was really like disguised in the beginning. It was like, my team says I can't be seen with you. I'm really sorry, but it's a bad look for me, blah, blah, blah. But Georgia, I'm going to have to push back here.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, I'm like, you know, I've been on dating shows. Like, I'm like, this comes with a thing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I was like, you know, I get it. I've been on dating shows. It's not the best look. You know, I'm like, I can understand. Like, I'm not like, you know, I get it. I get it. You're a successful guy. This is probably not. I get it. But eventually, this better not be a problem. Right. And then it was like, you know, masked in that he's really proud of me, but whatever. And then we would have arguments.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I kid you not, he would look at me and say, we do not compare. I'm here. You're here. You need to know that. And I was like, I never said I would just bawl. I was like, wait, what the hell? It's so sad. I know. So sad. And then he would like snap out of it and be like, I don't know why I said that. I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so proud of you. And I'm like, are you like, okay. That's what I think.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, you're forgiven. I honestly forgot what you said.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Literally. I know, but he would be. If they say something crazy and then black out and go, I don't know why I said that. I'll write this down.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I know. I don't know. I need to change like that part of me that's like too forgiving and accepting because those things grow and they grew. And I was like, damn, I should have paid attention to that. Yeah. And that happened on my birthday, by the way. It was my birthday when that one happened.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
My dad, yeah, this is where, this is why I've done the research in emotional trauma. And I think it's because my mom and my dad never got married. They are like really good friends, but my dad's from Sydney in Australia. My mom's from Queensland. She moved when she was young. So they had like a long distance friendship. My dad worked in Sydney. So there was only times that I could see him.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It wasn't like very frequent and he's a great dad. But when I was young, there was a lot of stuff that I missed in that connection. So I feel now... I look for emotionally unavailable men because I'm trying to prove to myself that I can make them stay because I felt when I was young I didn't have that. You know what I mean? Dad didn't choose you. And I love my dad.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We get along great now and it's like he was the best dad he could be. But I feel like that really did something.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And also, my mom has bipolar and her emotions are very... When I was young, I was always trying to overread her emotions. Now, when I'm in a relationship, I'm always reading into things and catering to people's emotional needs.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's hard. I can imagine...
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
An emotional fluctuation. I'm like, oh, I've seen this before. This is fun. My mom's like this. It's normal. I grew up with this.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Get away from them. And I'm like, yeah, true. If they like you, like, yeah, I get it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But she's like, that's not okay. You shouldn't be with people like that. But I'm like used to that. So it's a little hard. But I'm very aware is the part that's great.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But I'm really bad at applying that awareness.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But he's taking me to lunch. I'll get back to you after this. But going on a holiday.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was really sweet. Yeah, I probably will do that from now on. I'll take you up on that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes. Really fun.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Honestly, so happy. Like it was, I voted for Lorenzo. I also have won a Netflix show. So I was kind of like, I'm here for the ride. You know, I'm just going to see how far I can go.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Never thought, I mean, like everyone needs money. I would have loved 250K. Like I would be like, thank you so much. I could have done a lot with that. But I think Lorenzo was the most deserving. Plus Lorenzo can do so much more with it than me. I feel like he's, you know, been on one show, hasn't really had his time to like pop into things yet and like start a brand, start a life, you know, work.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So I feel like this is going to change his life so much. And he's so amazing. And he really like me and him were very similar in the show. I feel like we were very like neck and neck at a lot of stuff, but he outdid everyone. So he was the most deserving physically, mentally, emotionally, and also biasly. Like he was my best friend.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I mean, going into it, I didn't know it would be this bad, but the submerged one, they make it look so much more chill than it was. Like we were in that ice bath thing for hours. Like they were doing, so they wouldn't tell you how long you're sitting in there. It was just like a battle of your mental strength. So you're sitting there for like six minutes, 10 minutes, in and out, like all day.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And none of us are like tapping out. We're all like, no, we've come so far. This is like horrible. We have to win. So they like changed the last round to be, you had to hold your head under the water in the ice and they don't show how bad it was, but like, it was bad. Like I was like forced drowning myself pretty much.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like my body was like seizing and I like breathed water in my mouth and I'm like fighting because I could hear.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
We had heart monitors on. There was like a med,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
team on the side like we were safe it was controlled but you were pushing your bodily limits yeah and i i could feel that but i was like really competitive have you taken an ice bath since no okay you did win the first time you did it though yes yes i did i won so it was worth the trauma but like they made me do it again in the final and i was like you guys are so mean for this because i was like crying after i was like having nightmares about it it was horrible did you go to sleepaway camp
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
What's Sleepaway Camp? Is that an American thing? Like the kids send their, like the parents send their kids off and they're like, bye. No, we don't do that on the show. The parents actually love their kids taking care of their kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm kidding. That's cute. That's cute.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, okay. Is that an expensive thing? I think so.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Is it like a summer camp thing? Yeah. Oh, that's so fun, though. That would be cool.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
But, like, what a cool thing. Like, as a parent, you're just like, bye, and you just get your life back for a little.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, that was really cute. I love Brie and Louis. They were cute. But the drama, they weren't dramatic. I feel like Tony was the most dramatic. They cut a lot of that out. He's way more dramatic than that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. Yeah. can you elaborate I don't know if I can but I would love to but no he got he got a great edit Tony they love Tony they love Tony they love Tony who don't you love I didn't bond that great with probably Morgan I feel like She was a different kind of personality to me and I'm not good with people that are like a little more introvert. I take it like the wrong way.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm like, they don't like me. But I also feel like she didn't like me. So it was on point. Like we ended up voting for each other. I didn't vibe with her that much. Outside the show, she was really sweet.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh my gosh. So I am a really good speller, but I was terrified.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's what everyone said they would do. I know it's E-C-S-T-A-S-Y. I know that. On the spot. Say it again. Spell it again. Spell it again. Spell it again. I spelled it wrong.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You spelled it wrong. It's hard. That's right. I'm so sorry. I spelled C-Y on the shirt. Oh, they got it wrong.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That's how I spelled it because in your head, this is one of those words when you're visualizing it. You've already put a C in the front.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I was too scared because I'm pulling off this thing. So I was originally going to write on my hand, but then I couldn't. I'm holding on for dear life. I already put a C and an S. I'm like, which is the last one? Is it C-Y-S-Y? As soon as I said it, I was like, no, no, no, it's S-Y. And they're like, no, you've said it. It's locked in.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You think restaurant's easy? T-A-U-R-A-N-T. Toronto restaurant. Toronto.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You love them.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I can't spell. I can't read. Wait, see, this is my issue. I can't visualize things. I need to write it down. If I had a pen and paper, I would have slayed. But like me in the mind, I'm like, my brain was not working like that. And also I have a fear of heights. Polly went before me. She got her word wrong. They launched her so far in the sky.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
She landed on her face on the beanbag and she's like swollen. And then they're like, Georgia, you're up. And I'm like, no, I hate heights. I'm so scared. So I'm like begging them to like, if I get it wrong, only use one man. Don't use two men to launch me. Like I'm scared.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
um at that point probably just everything yeah i was so scared i'm like i don't know my own name the first word they gave me was swimmer and i was like oh easy slay and then the next one's like ecstasy and i'm like okay i know this what do you think the hardest four letter word is to spell what is this word off me off the top of my head can you spell pho pho uh-huh pho oh can you spell chic
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You're like, hey mom, how do you spell recess? I wouldn't expect that from you. I feel like it's just a brain thing that you just forget sometimes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
and really shit it up it's me too it's just like you know that's me it uses all that energy for the good stuff wait so what word were you thinking the hardest four letter word I don't know I'm sure it's out there I was like I don't think there is a hard one F-A-U-X by the way oh faux F-A-U-X faux it's like faux fur oh yeah not real I thought you meant faux you spelled faux I was like F-O-E that's three I'm saying out of this one she's way too smart for us we gotta get her out of here
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, my God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Love Black Mirror. That's not really reality though, but I've been loving Battle Camp, honestly. I know that sounds stupid because I'm on it, but I've watched it. You're a narcissist. Yes. So I love myself a lot. Just the first show that I'm like actually able to watch of mine that I'm not like cringing on repeat.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I'm like, this is what I missed out on because I was in the challenge and I didn't see these people doing that stuff. Now I'm watching them and I'm like, wow, I didn't know that happened. So
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like Big Brother, I would be down for it. Like a social challenge kind of thing. But like honestly, Battle Camp was really hard. Like it was really hard. How long was the film?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like four weeks.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
They asked me, they like alluded to like, I was like, so what kind of challenges we're talking like, you know, swimming, maybe some like, what is that zip lining? And I was like, what kind of heights does that involve? They're like, nothing crazy. I was like, okay. Cause I have a phobia.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I'm like, no, it's not like a, like, I actually like have a full panic. I had a panic attack. They cut it all out. But like, the last thing they were making me do.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, I know, but it's like, give me some of the credit. You know, you put me up there. Like, make me look bad. Like, I tried.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, definitely it's happening. But what's it called? Nosedive? The one that's all about likes and what people think of you. Social media. Bryce Dallas Howard. I love it. Say more. I haven't seen that one. Love it. You need to watch it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
and then you rate each other. It's like the key to my success. I like your shirt.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Your haters? That's hilarious. What have you heard? It's so funny because I low-key feel like I'm like a victim to that mentality. I always thought that you're just like, whatever. But like, you just don't realize, I guess. Well, no.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You cried yourself to sleep. Reddit's like, don't go there. I don't have the app. I'm like, I have self-control.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No, that shit is scary. That's scary. It's like how to make soups and talk shit. So true.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I hate her fucking face. She's so annoying. I want her off this show. Anyways, the tortilla soup is the recipe. Love you guys. That is so accurate.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
So there was a moment I switched that on because I was already crying. So I was like, I don't want to go off this plank. This is like I'm going to act my life out right now. And I was already crying, but I've walked out to the plank and I've seen that I'm on a safe one. And I'm like, I already have tears on my face. I need to kind of play into this so that he thinks I'm on a bad one.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Otherwise he's going to take my plank. So I for a moment put it on, but as soon as I looked at Chase, I was like, I'm going to laugh. Like he's just so unserious. I can't look at him and like,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
be like acting like this so yeah I broke character and yeah I was very terrified though the tears were real and then I was like I'm gonna play into this for a bit for a moment to manipulate Chase didn't work so yeah
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I had to hustle because I didn't want to go off that thing. That's my worst fear. I even betrayed Cutie. In all honesty, we made a pact that we wouldn't, before we went on those planks, we were not going to sell each other out. We're like, we're going to protect each other because we're so scared of heights. it all went out the window. I was like, girl, every man for themselves.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I'm not going off this flag. And then I was like going anyway. I'm like, cutie, I'm sorry.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Sorry. I just had to do what I had to do.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Good question. I'm actually... I'm taking some acting classes off the back of this. I actually want to get into acting. Turns out I know how to act. Turns out I'm a professional. Dates one. Anyway. No, I actually really want to do acting. I did a short film a while ago and I found it really fun. And now I want to see like if I can like tap into that a little bit more and like.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
where it could take me like i netflix is cool like if you're cool with them they have a lot of opportunities if i took it seriously i could see what what would be there you know see if there's something they could put me in maybe maybe netflix help help me out no but like i also want to try like hosting or something i feel like also want to start a podcast so many things on my mind right now i'm like damn what do i do what kind of podcast do you want to start
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Like a dating one, I feel.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I have so much trauma that you guys know a little bit about. We've touched on. But I have a lot more, and I feel like I really want to educate girls.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
For real, yeah. I feel like I'd give all the tea.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
In a way that I'm not going to get sued, but yeah, I'll give the tea.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, literally. I feel like I could give enough, but not too much, you know? But yeah, it's a lot of stuff that people should know about.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, NVIDIA. Hook me up. We can talk. Yes, I have a whole deck planned and stuff, so we should talk about it. You do have a deck? Yes. I'm taking this serious. I want to do it.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay, perfect. Then we're good. And you're in.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And I love talking and I love meeting people and hearing stories and relating to people and helping people. So I feel like it's something I should try.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
and you're living in new york yeah okay yeah i love it new york's great favorite new york story you've experienced since you've been there oh wow oh so many crazy ones i'm trying to filter out the ones i probably can't say imagine this is your first episode of your podcast I don't really know. Honestly, this is sad. This is, like, sad because when I moved there, I was, like, there for a year.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I didn't experience anything. I was kind of, like, on house arrest with this relationship that I was in, so, like, I didn't do anything. I was, like, boring. Now that I'm, like, single and, like, experiencing things, I'm, like, out and, like, having fun, but didn't have fun for a long time. It was just work, film the show, boring. Like, I don't really... I don't really have any crazy stories yet.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I need to make crazy stories.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. I know that's so boring. I'm trying to think, you know, it's annoying. I'll leave here and I'll have the best story. I can't think of it right now.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay, I'm going to try that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Oh, my God. I'm going to try. Okay, that sounds amazing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I like French food, so I like pasteo, I think it's called. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong. That's it. That's it. Okay, that one. What do you get from there? I get everything. I like, wait, the chicken, the chicken paillard thing that they have. They have a really good French onion soup. That's my fave.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
That I haven't tried. I probably need to try that. But yeah, I love French food, so I'm down.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah, I'm like thinking of like, oh, yeah. You know, their iced tea is really nice. Everything basic. French onion soup is really good. I'm a big critic. It's really French. It's French. And it has like a good layer of cheese and stuff, so.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Maybe the onion, maybe the actual onion is French.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Well, but I want it to be like that. It's got to have the dry when I get it. Instead of like taking it and then all the cheese falls out.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Okay, I'm going there.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yum. You guys have the regs, right? You need to send me this. Where do you go? Just like... I like Ruby's. Ruby's? It's an Australian-owned place in New York. Little Ruby's Cafe. And they're really good. The food is insanely good. Little Ruby's Cafe. They just opened one near where I live in Williamsburg, and it's amazing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yeah. What was that?
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
You met there? Oh my God.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Wait up. There's so many people. I get that vibe there. Yes. No, that's so funny. I love Williamsburg. It's great. It's really cute. It's really cute. But yeah, Ruby is amazing. It's good food. It's good to see you, Georgia. I know. It's so good to see you and so nice to finally meet you. I feel like we've... Did we meet before this or no? No.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I don't think... I think I just know you because I've watched so much of the podcast. Yes, we spoke. Yeah. That's it. We were like meaning to hang out. Yeah. Then I fled the state. You fled the state. Yeah. Left. Left the chat. I left this whole place.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
No. That's more of a reason for me to be like hang out with me. I used to be a midwife. Like I love that shit.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
yes do you want to pull out i swear i told you this when you say like so like you were just delivering babies yep i literally filmed too hot to handle season three then went back to normal life went back to a hospital job delivering babies like three babies one night sometimes literally no one why don't people why don't more people know i know because it's not hot right like they want you to be like too hot to handle it's like not that hot
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's kind of hot. I feel like it's fun. It's great. Hot, I don't know.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It's amazing, but it's bloody.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes. I think that's what they like to come across as as well. So like when I met them, the production, they were like, you're a midwife? They're like, I don't think anyone here has ever studied. Like anyone else on the cast. I was like, really? No one's read a book. wait, you're the first person with a degree? Like, that's crazy. I was like, yeah.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
It was honestly the best thing I've ever done. Like, it's amazing.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I delivered a baby in a car park once. It was amazing. I was literally about to leave my shift and then they were like, I had my bag and everything. And they're like, do you want to deliver a baby in the car park? And I was like,
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
are you serious yes and we would just like run down the hallway with an emergency like delivery kit got outside she's like in the car giving birth i'm like catching the baby you're amazing it was so sick that's pretty cool yep it was the sickest i have so many cool stories about that not only is she stunning but she can deliver babies and she can spell ecstasy
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Yes.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
And restaurant.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
wrong number that could be fun well this has been so much fun this was so fun oh my god i love you guys we should hang out before i go you're going to stagecoach no i'm not going to stagecoach i kind of wish i was are you going yeah maybe i should be we're just going for friday night you should come i messed up because i went to coachella and then i flew back to new york and i dumped all my outfits and stuff off and then i've come here for work and i'm like i should have just gone to stagecoach everyone's going yeah
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
maybe i'll change my mind and come you should come yeah honestly lana del rey's thing that's gonna be literally i need to see that you do you can find a pair of cowboy boots somewhere yeah i'll just rent something or like go to the yeah i'll find something yeah i kind of think i should stay here for a while it's fun i'm having do you miss la at all
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I do, but I'm like, is that just my brain playing games on me because I'm just visiting and getting the good part of it and seeing people lightly? Would I love to live back here? I don't know. I really like the life of New York. It's cool.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
I want to see different stuff, meet new people all the time. New York's like that. Here, it's like I'm going to the same place, the same people, getting bored of that.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
In New York, any night I go out, everyone I see is new. i don't ever see the same people wow everyone's cool wow where can they follow you find you on social on instagram and tiktok mainly and snapchat you're snapchatting still well i am i'm getting into it you know it's not my it's not my vibe you gotta post around like 60.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
60 yeah i tried that for i did it for a week i was great now i'm shitty so i need to get back up but you know it's better than you know posting on instagram stories and you're not going anywhere you could be doing something you'd be making money off it so you're gonna find me on snapchat as well yeah and it's yep yeah exactly We're going to have a duo account.
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E924 - Georgia Hassarati, Kelsey Anderson, 1yr Anniversary, Stagecoach, Dorit’s Divorce, and Jojo’s Breakup
Great to see you guys. That's so much fun. Bye.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, they both lost. Where she lost me was when she said, when she told Carolina, like, you need to, like, if Grant pulled you aside to have more time, like, you need to be thinking about us and, like, cut it short. That's where Dina lost me. And I'm just like, that's crazy to say.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Dina.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The other thing that did come up between Dina and Carolina was that I guess after filming went down, they had this whole social media back and forth where Dina posted a video where she said, well, in the text it said, when you defend the one person nobody else would, just to get played the next week.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
To which Carolina then posted on her social media, seeing someone use this sound as if I don't have a screenshot of our conversation as evidence. To which Dina replied, I tease next week's preview and she responds with dot, dot, dot, a threat, question mark, interesting tactic, but on brand, I guess.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So Dina is saying that she was just simply teasing the next episode and then Carolina took it too far after that. Again, sorry, I'm a minority here, but Team Carolina.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She looked like a lawyer in those glasses. To sum up my point and the reason that I am taking Carolina's side here is that I'm not saying that Carolina's not messy. I think that she is messy. I think that in the whole drama with Rose, she was being messy by bringing it to Grant. Absolutely. Absolutely. However, I think that to say that Dina's not also being messy is unfair.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like you can't just say that Carolina has been the messy one this whole season. I also think Dina has to take some accountability in her messiness.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Give me three guesses. Let me guess.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Let me guess.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If I guess one time and I get it right, will you confirm or deny? No. Well then, what's the fun in that?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay, let me think on it. I really want to think on it. Like you need time?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
My heart's good, but today I woke up so mentally off, so I'm so sorry I had to delay for an hour. I really appreciate you working with me through that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know how you just wake up one day feeling fine, and then the next is not the best? Totally. That was today for me.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just this whole entire month, you know, I've never, I'm just a Minnesota gal. I'm a nurse, you know, I've never had to do any of this stuff. It's so out of my element. And, um, you know, it's exciting. There's so many pros, so many cons, but like just trying to soak it all in.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then, you know, sometimes you just like read one mean comment and then it kind of just throws your day off, but other days are great. So just hanging in there.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I was just talking to Leah about this earlier. Like, it's just something like you can't really anticipate or prepare for because it's some, I mean, for me personally, I've never gone through anything like this. And so it's just like having to manage it each day, the best you can. And, um, Just like, yeah, kind of going through the waves of everything. So it's just interesting.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, no, having those discussions alone was just like the important part for me. Um, it wasn't necessarily like getting a specific answer, but the throughout the time, like the two months that we were filming, I just felt like we were never progressing.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And with these conversations, I like having those conversations, but also we did have chemistry and a connection besides having these heavy conversations. So like there was truly love there, but, um, ultimately like on an emotional state, I felt like we just weren't progressing. And that's why I feel like, you know, I was asking these questions and like having these hard conversations.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I wasn't really getting an actual response. Like he was receptive and he wasn't, you know, guarded or anything by having these conversations. But I just really like to, you know, explore people's minds and like where we grew up or like how we grew up, how we became the person that we are and like how we just, you have the perception of like the world around us today.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I just felt like it wasn't as vulnerable as I was hoping to. And just like digging deeper, you know, he never said anything particularly wrong, but like, I just, I don't think he said enough to make me feel like confident.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
in understanding really who ben was did you guys try to date afterwards at all or it looked like watching the show that you pretty much kind of knew how you felt and weren't all that interested but there was the whole nashville of it all that was a little confusing yeah yeah so on wedding day like we we both went into wedding day basically on the same page knowing like where we stood with things and what we were gonna say um
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so but with my heart and my mind involved, you know, I was thinking one way and then my heart was telling me like, oh, but this seriously could be your person. So I was just like completely like torn in so many directions. But I knew with the hesitations and like not the full confidence that this wasn't going to be a yes thing.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Um, but after like filming and like filming was over the production team left, I was able to like decompress just a little bit and process everything.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, you know, with the emotions involved, I was still hopeful that, you know, despite the hesitations, I was still like curious of what our relationship could grow into with no cameras, you know, getting out of this little bubble that we were in for the two months. I was eager to see like what our connection could be and also how we could progress outside of that bubble.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I was just hopeful. I was just hoping that we would progress again in a way, just us two. And also like in this like situation, you're on camera and you don't really know how people handle being on camera. Like I didn't know if maybe Ben wasn't being as vulnerable because of the cameras.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I wanted to give him like the benefit of the doubt and be like, I still, I know that there's something in there. I just want to be able to get to it. And, um, So I really wanted to like exhaust all options before really fully letting go. And, you know, just with emotions involved, like it kind of clouds your mindset.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So we did decide like a week after the wedding that he was going to come with me to Nashville. We talked about that in the pods. And so, you know, we were both excited. We talked about the details. And then the day that I left to Nashville is when I just felt kind of dropped. And so I was confused because we had such detailed agreements of him coming and when he was coming and everything.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But ultimately, I think when he removed me from Find My Friends and everything like that, that's when I had the most clarity of like, okay, this is actually... who Ben is and the situation I was in. Like, I felt pretty duped.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, the whole entire time in the two months, like, yeah, we had these heavy conversations, but he also was like always reassuring me constantly with, you know, positivity telling me he loved me so much that he would marry me that day. And, you know, I, it feels good to hear that. And so I was really thinking like, oh my gosh, this guy loves me so much. Like I, this is like my person.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, you know, he was still saying that. even after the wedding. And so I was like, okay, like, I will try, like, give this a try again. Like, let's, let's try this out together. And so then I was like, that's why when I left Nashville, it was just like a complete 180 of what, of what I saw.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Um, so I saw that five days before the wedding and my friend from Nashville actually sent it to me. And, uh, With everything else that was happening and, like, coming to my attention during filming, like, I was protecting Ben and I was protecting our relationship and also, like, protecting myself, too, because it's a very vulnerable, open, public situation that we're in.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That YouTube card, I was... I got the backstory behind it because my friend received it from a girl that received it from him. And so, like... I was just like, OK, what is going on? Like I like I just knew like there is so much I need to learn more about Ben and like his past. And so I looked up his YouTube. There was only like one video of him doing like a cuts advertisement or something.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I was like, OK, at least there is there's a video here and it's real. But like clearly videos were deleted. But I didn't tell anyone. I literally had no mental capacity to bring that up to anyone, especially production.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, I did not. I just, I literally was like, I can't, I can't bring it up. Interesting. I don't think I did anyways.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I honestly, no, I don't think I did because that's, I think when things were coming out about the, about the business card or something like that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I honestly, like, yeah, I just feel like there was so much that was going on. I can't remember exactly if it was like me directly talking to him about it or me hearing his response to friends, like some of the other cast members talking about it. But his response from my, from like my memory is that he was like, well, I just wanted to like boost my, my account.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I wanted to get as many followers as possible. one lady at a time yeah that was like a response that I was not surprised coming from that pennies make a dollar it's like so yeah I just I did not bring it up to him I just couldn't I literally had no capacity or room to have that discussion
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh my God.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, we all have our own different relationships and experiences with one another. I personally, you know, I respect and I feel pretty like protective of everyone in this experience because we all go through it the same, but like cope differently and handle things differently. Overall, I think Madison is amazing. who she is. She's she's truthfully the person she is. And what does that mean?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Deanna Pappas.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, that's I don't know. I don't think that the edit actually editing has like a lot to do with people's perception, obviously. But I don't know what actually happened with like her in the pods or like with her relationships that happened. So I can't speak for that.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's a really good question. I honestly don't really want to answer that. I'm sorry.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, this has been a... I've seen this a few times online the past 24 hours.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And she's arrested too?
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
um well to be clear me and joey are not dating okay um just friends but to get context you know i'll give some background if you want sure yeah the behind the scenes so there was like a love square between me monica ben and joey and we were all talking to each other until the second to last day in the pods um so of course like naturally in that situation in that circumstance
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
you do connect with people. And I feel like me and Joey did establish a really great friendship, but honestly, I didn't really talk to him until probably like five months after filming was over and him and five other people visited me in Nashville. And like, we called ourselves like the EHA crew. Like it's such a good time. Like it's all from cast and,
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She was arrested after an altercation with her ex-husband. According to Pappas, the police told her that Stephen accused her of being drunk and was pressing charges against her for domestic violence. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and she was released the same day on a $20,000 bond. And her court date is set for March 20th.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And we we grew really, really close with each other just because, you know, the support for each other, knowing what we've all been through and being able to just like be there for one another has been super important to me. Yeah, I just overall like this whole situation, I feel close with Joey. I do. I am fond of our relationship, but I feel like very well supported by everyone involved.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm just very grateful that I've met him. But yeah, we definitely have a friendship.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're definitely not dating.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't know what the future will hold, but I know for right now, I definitely have no, I just have no capacity to even think about a relationship.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I did see some clips of that. I did.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, and like, I also give credit to, I mean, like anyone going onto this, you have to understand, like, you know, the outcome of like possibly you may be on TV or like on Netflix or like, you don't know like how you're going to be edited. So, you know, and everyone has different interests and hobbies of like what maybe they would want to do, but you know. Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
before reunion that's kind of where I thought he was coming from do you see you do you see it that way or no when he like reached out to me and he's like let's be on good terms yeah yeah no I I'm totally for that too I I wanted that I I I feel like we're still cordial with one another but it was just that in the context of how it happened like all in chronological order that
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
After wedding day, we still had those plans to go to Nashville together. And then, you know, I felt like I was dropped that day, which in hindsight, I probably should have known better. But then that happens. And then the next time I hear from him is because he got, like, past cast member advice to be on good terms with me. And he did use the language to practice reunion questions together.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so that's what turned me off, too. It's not like he... was intentionally and being like sincere with wanting to connect and to check in with one another.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, no, I agree with that. I do. It's just also everything that I knew about Ben at the time, like it only just made more sense that the reason why he was reaching out to me was because he was advised to.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, of course, during the reunion, like, okay, so this past year, I've processed everything, accepted everything that happened, and I've moved forward. But when you're re-watching everything, you get back into what you were feeling at the time. And so... I did not want to go into the reunion feeling like I was trying to just bash Ben. I wanted to go in just telling my story of what happened.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And again, I respect Ben. We all went through this together. I truly did love him and our experience together. But in the end, yeah, I was hurt. Um, I felt duped and I don't regret with what I said. I did apologize to him how feisty I was. I told him I came off a little more feisty than what I ever was intending to.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But, um, in the setting of talking about things that happened and then getting pushed back that it didn't happen or that he can't remember it, it just brought me back to the time of how much I heard that. And I don't regret bringing up what I said.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right. Thank you. I'm going to go on a walk. Do it. Do it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I've been surrounding myself with family and friends this whole time. It's felt really good. And then after the reunion, I was like, okay, now it's time to get back into the TikTok, you know, swipe a little bit. No, no.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That was like all yesterday.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Is it? I don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Thank you. Thank you for understanding the delay. I really appreciate it.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Have a good one.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm team Carolina. I'm sorry. I think that the conversation between Rose and Grant was that Grant never said while I was dancing with Carolina. And I think whatever Rose said to Carolina in this conversation that none of us have seen clearly made Carolina feel a certain type of way that she needed to bring it to Grant. And we did see her tell Grant that she didn't want to name names.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She didn't name Rose. He just extrapolated from what she said that it was Rose and then he confronted her.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Roll the tapes.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I just, I don't like seeing everybody kind of, like... Gang up. And I'm definitely in the minority here. I just think that Carolina, like, she wasn't trying to be the villain. Like, she wasn't trying to upset the women, and it almost did feel to me as a viewer like anything she did...
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
pissed everyone off and she was highly emotional and she was in her feelings and she was just trying to navigate like it's a hard situation to be in to watch your somebody who you like dating a bunch of other people and then she has dina like telling her well you need to be you know timing the amount of time that you're with grant and keep us in mind when you're having time with him while we're on a group date and she's just like god i can't do anything right and then like to me i'm
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
the moments in the castle where Dina's kind of like following Carolina around, it was a little bit like, leave her alone.