Sara
Appearances
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, they both lost. Where she lost me was when she said, when she told Carolina, like, you need to, like, if Grant pulled you aside to have more time, like, you need to be thinking about us and, like, cut it short. That's where Dina lost me. And I'm just like, that's crazy to say.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Dina.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
The other thing that did come up between Dina and Carolina was that I guess after filming went down, they had this whole social media back and forth where Dina posted a video where she said, well, in the text it said, when you defend the one person nobody else would, just to get played the next week.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
To which Carolina then posted on her social media, seeing someone use this sound as if I don't have a screenshot of our conversation as evidence. To which Dina replied, I tease next week's preview and she responds with dot, dot, dot, a threat, question mark, interesting tactic, but on brand, I guess.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So Dina is saying that she was just simply teasing the next episode and then Carolina took it too far after that. Again, sorry, I'm a minority here, but Team Carolina.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She looked like a lawyer in those glasses. To sum up my point and the reason that I am taking Carolina's side here is that I'm not saying that Carolina's not messy. I think that she is messy. I think that in the whole drama with Rose, she was being messy by bringing it to Grant. Absolutely. Absolutely. However, I think that to say that Dina's not also being messy is unfair.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Like you can't just say that Carolina has been the messy one this whole season. I also think Dina has to take some accountability in her messiness.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Give me three guesses. Let me guess.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Let me guess.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
If I guess one time and I get it right, will you confirm or deny? No. Well then, what's the fun in that?
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Okay, let me think on it. I really want to think on it. Like you need time?
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
My heart's good, but today I woke up so mentally off, so I'm so sorry I had to delay for an hour. I really appreciate you working with me through that.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know how you just wake up one day feeling fine, and then the next is not the best? Totally. That was today for me.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just this whole entire month, you know, I've never, I'm just a Minnesota gal. I'm a nurse, you know, I've never had to do any of this stuff. It's so out of my element. And, um, you know, it's exciting. There's so many pros, so many cons, but like just trying to soak it all in.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And then, you know, sometimes you just like read one mean comment and then it kind of just throws your day off, but other days are great. So just hanging in there.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I was just talking to Leah about this earlier. Like, it's just something like you can't really anticipate or prepare for because it's some, I mean, for me personally, I've never gone through anything like this. And so it's just like having to manage it each day, the best you can. And, um, Just like, yeah, kind of going through the waves of everything. So it's just interesting.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, no, having those discussions alone was just like the important part for me. Um, it wasn't necessarily like getting a specific answer, but the throughout the time, like the two months that we were filming, I just felt like we were never progressing.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And with these conversations, I like having those conversations, but also we did have chemistry and a connection besides having these heavy conversations. So like there was truly love there, but, um, ultimately like on an emotional state, I felt like we just weren't progressing. And that's why I feel like, you know, I was asking these questions and like having these hard conversations.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I wasn't really getting an actual response. Like he was receptive and he wasn't, you know, guarded or anything by having these conversations. But I just really like to, you know, explore people's minds and like where we grew up or like how we grew up, how we became the person that we are and like how we just, you have the perception of like the world around us today.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And I just felt like it wasn't as vulnerable as I was hoping to. And just like digging deeper, you know, he never said anything particularly wrong, but like, I just, I don't think he said enough to make me feel like confident.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
in understanding really who ben was did you guys try to date afterwards at all or it looked like watching the show that you pretty much kind of knew how you felt and weren't all that interested but there was the whole nashville of it all that was a little confusing yeah yeah so on wedding day like we we both went into wedding day basically on the same page knowing like where we stood with things and what we were gonna say um
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so but with my heart and my mind involved, you know, I was thinking one way and then my heart was telling me like, oh, but this seriously could be your person. So I was just like completely like torn in so many directions. But I knew with the hesitations and like not the full confidence that this wasn't going to be a yes thing.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Um, but after like filming and like filming was over the production team left, I was able to like decompress just a little bit and process everything.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, you know, with the emotions involved, I was still hopeful that, you know, despite the hesitations, I was still like curious of what our relationship could grow into with no cameras, you know, getting out of this little bubble that we were in for the two months. I was eager to see like what our connection could be and also how we could progress outside of that bubble.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I was just hopeful. I was just hoping that we would progress again in a way, just us two. And also like in this like situation, you're on camera and you don't really know how people handle being on camera. Like I didn't know if maybe Ben wasn't being as vulnerable because of the cameras.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I wanted to give him like the benefit of the doubt and be like, I still, I know that there's something in there. I just want to be able to get to it. And, um, So I really wanted to like exhaust all options before really fully letting go. And, you know, just with emotions involved, like it kind of clouds your mindset.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
So we did decide like a week after the wedding that he was going to come with me to Nashville. We talked about that in the pods. And so, you know, we were both excited. We talked about the details. And then the day that I left to Nashville is when I just felt kind of dropped. And so I was confused because we had such detailed agreements of him coming and when he was coming and everything.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But ultimately, I think when he removed me from Find My Friends and everything like that, that's when I had the most clarity of like, okay, this is actually... who Ben is and the situation I was in. Like, I felt pretty duped.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, the whole entire time in the two months, like, yeah, we had these heavy conversations, but he also was like always reassuring me constantly with, you know, positivity telling me he loved me so much that he would marry me that day. And, you know, I, it feels good to hear that. And so I was really thinking like, oh my gosh, this guy loves me so much. Like I, this is like my person.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And, you know, he was still saying that. even after the wedding. And so I was like, okay, like, I will try, like, give this a try again. Like, let's, let's try this out together. And so then I was like, that's why when I left Nashville, it was just like a complete 180 of what, of what I saw.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Um, so I saw that five days before the wedding and my friend from Nashville actually sent it to me. And, uh, With everything else that was happening and, like, coming to my attention during filming, like, I was protecting Ben and I was protecting our relationship and also, like, protecting myself, too, because it's a very vulnerable, open, public situation that we're in.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That YouTube card, I was... I got the backstory behind it because my friend received it from a girl that received it from him. And so, like... I was just like, OK, what is going on? Like I like I just knew like there is so much I need to learn more about Ben and like his past. And so I looked up his YouTube. There was only like one video of him doing like a cuts advertisement or something.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so I was like, OK, at least there is there's a video here and it's real. But like clearly videos were deleted. But I didn't tell anyone. I literally had no mental capacity to bring that up to anyone, especially production.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
No, I did not. I just, I literally was like, I can't, I can't bring it up. Interesting. I don't think I did anyways.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I honestly, no, I don't think I did because that's, I think when things were coming out about the, about the business card or something like that.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I honestly, like, yeah, I just feel like there was so much that was going on. I can't remember exactly if it was like me directly talking to him about it or me hearing his response to friends, like some of the other cast members talking about it. But his response from my, from like my memory is that he was like, well, I just wanted to like boost my, my account.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I wanted to get as many followers as possible. one lady at a time yeah that was like a response that I was not surprised coming from that pennies make a dollar it's like so yeah I just I did not bring it up to him I just couldn't I literally had no capacity or room to have that discussion
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Oh my God.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
You know, we all have our own different relationships and experiences with one another. I personally, you know, I respect and I feel pretty like protective of everyone in this experience because we all go through it the same, but like cope differently and handle things differently. Overall, I think Madison is amazing. who she is. She's she's truthfully the person she is. And what does that mean?
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Deanna Pappas.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, that's I don't know. I don't think that the edit actually editing has like a lot to do with people's perception, obviously. But I don't know what actually happened with like her in the pods or like with her relationships that happened. So I can't speak for that.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That's a really good question. I honestly don't really want to answer that. I'm sorry.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, this has been a... I've seen this a few times online the past 24 hours.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And she's arrested too?
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
um well to be clear me and joey are not dating okay um just friends but to get context you know i'll give some background if you want sure yeah the behind the scenes so there was like a love square between me monica ben and joey and we were all talking to each other until the second to last day in the pods um so of course like naturally in that situation in that circumstance
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
you do connect with people. And I feel like me and Joey did establish a really great friendship, but honestly, I didn't really talk to him until probably like five months after filming was over and him and five other people visited me in Nashville. And like, we called ourselves like the EHA crew. Like it's such a good time. Like it's all from cast and,
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She was arrested after an altercation with her ex-husband. According to Pappas, the police told her that Stephen accused her of being drunk and was pressing charges against her for domestic violence. She was booked on a misdemeanor charge and she was released the same day on a $20,000 bond. And her court date is set for March 20th.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And we we grew really, really close with each other just because, you know, the support for each other, knowing what we've all been through and being able to just like be there for one another has been super important to me. Yeah, I just overall like this whole situation, I feel close with Joey. I do. I am fond of our relationship, but I feel like very well supported by everyone involved.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm just very grateful that I've met him. But yeah, we definitely have a friendship.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
We're definitely not dating.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I don't know what the future will hold, but I know for right now, I definitely have no, I just have no capacity to even think about a relationship.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I did see some clips of that. I did.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Well, and like, I also give credit to, I mean, like anyone going onto this, you have to understand, like, you know, the outcome of like possibly you may be on TV or like on Netflix or like, you don't know like how you're going to be edited. So, you know, and everyone has different interests and hobbies of like what maybe they would want to do, but you know. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
before reunion that's kind of where I thought he was coming from do you see you do you see it that way or no when he like reached out to me and he's like let's be on good terms yeah yeah no I I'm totally for that too I I wanted that I I I feel like we're still cordial with one another but it was just that in the context of how it happened like all in chronological order that
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
After wedding day, we still had those plans to go to Nashville together. And then, you know, I felt like I was dropped that day, which in hindsight, I probably should have known better. But then that happens. And then the next time I hear from him is because he got, like, past cast member advice to be on good terms with me. And he did use the language to practice reunion questions together.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And so that's what turned me off, too. It's not like he... was intentionally and being like sincere with wanting to connect and to check in with one another.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah, no, I agree with that. I do. It's just also everything that I knew about Ben at the time, like it only just made more sense that the reason why he was reaching out to me was because he was advised to.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I mean, of course, during the reunion, like, okay, so this past year, I've processed everything, accepted everything that happened, and I've moved forward. But when you're re-watching everything, you get back into what you were feeling at the time. And so... I did not want to go into the reunion feeling like I was trying to just bash Ben. I wanted to go in just telling my story of what happened.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
And again, I respect Ben. We all went through this together. I truly did love him and our experience together. But in the end, yeah, I was hurt. Um, I felt duped and I don't regret with what I said. I did apologize to him how feisty I was. I told him I came off a little more feisty than what I ever was intending to.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
But, um, in the setting of talking about things that happened and then getting pushed back that it didn't happen or that he can't remember it, it just brought me back to the time of how much I heard that. And I don't regret bringing up what I said.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
All right. Thank you. I'm going to go on a walk. Do it. Do it.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I've been surrounding myself with family and friends this whole time. It's felt really good. And then after the reunion, I was like, okay, now it's time to get back into the TikTok, you know, swipe a little bit. No, no.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
That was like all yesterday.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Yeah.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Is it? I don't know.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Thank you. Thank you for understanding the delay. I really appreciate it.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Have a good one.
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E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I'm team Carolina. I'm sorry. I think that the conversation between Rose and Grant was that Grant never said while I was dancing with Carolina. And I think whatever Rose said to Carolina in this conversation that none of us have seen clearly made Carolina feel a certain type of way that she needed to bring it to Grant. And we did see her tell Grant that she didn't want to name names.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
She didn't name Rose. He just extrapolated from what she said that it was Rose and then he confronted her.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
Roll the tapes.
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
I just, I don't like seeing everybody kind of, like... Gang up. And I'm definitely in the minority here. I just think that Carolina, like, she wasn't trying to be the villain. Like, she wasn't trying to upset the women, and it almost did feel to me as a viewer like anything she did...
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
pissed everyone off and she was highly emotional and she was in her feelings and she was just trying to navigate like it's a hard situation to be in to watch your somebody who you like dating a bunch of other people and then she has dina like telling her well you need to be you know timing the amount of time that you're with grant and keep us in mind when you're having time with him while we're on a group date and she's just like god i can't do anything right and then like to me i'm
The Viall Files
E900 - Debating w/ Heather McDonald, LIB w/ Sara, Temptation Island w/ Mark Walberg, Bachelor WTA, & RHOBH
the moments in the castle where Dina's kind of like following Carolina around, it was a little bit like, leave her alone.