Sami Inkinen
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The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
I would also add that, uh, we haven't published this. Um, actually we published some, but, uh, We actually have very interesting dose response data. So pharmaceutical companies usually do what they have to do, like a dose response study. So here's the molecule, you add more of that molecule and then see what happens in terms of safety and in terms of outcomes.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
And obviously you can then tease out the correlation and causation, like, oh, more of this acetaminophen, the less you have pain and whatnot. We actually have very interesting dose response data to carbohydrate restriction and seeing what happens to weight glycemic control and getting off the meds.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
And I guess the punchline is the more insulin resistant you are, the more of that dose, the better is basically without sharing all of our secrets. But it's fascinating because we literally have dose response curves and it kind of tells us tells the story.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
The other thing I wanted to add, Mark, when I listened to you and I was thinking those patient outcomes and what you had seen, if I did not have the 10-year history of building Virta and seeing exactly the same results now with 100,000 plus Americans, I would still be like, oh, I'm sure nutrition can work, but
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
come on, these are the grandfather who was 100 pounds overweight and then ran a marathon. We always hear these stories. Like, oh, it's a one anomaly, one out of a million. But I think really what the world needs to hear, this is individuals, business decision makers, policy decision makers, scientists, is that these results are systematically possible. Absolutely systematically possible.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
And this idea that we have 200 million sick American adults, metabolically unhealthy, and the best we can do is manage symptoms with medications. is ridiculous. It is so ridiculous. And so we really have to get the message across that there is a way, nutritionally, you don't have to be a superman or superwoman. ordinary person, there's a systematic way to achieve those results.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
Obviously, there's a distribution. Some are hugely successful in terms of moderately successful, but that message hasn't broken through yet. And it has to. And that's why I'm grateful to be on this podcast too, because it's ridiculous. There's no other way out of this metabolic health mess. GLP once in tap water is not going to solve this mess. No.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
Yeah, absolutely. And first, upfront, I want to say that this may sound like, oh, this guy is so anti-pharmaceutical. No, I'm a physicist by training. I believe in science. I believe in Western medicine. And also these GLP-1 drugs, You know, first one was, I think in America approved for treating type two diabetes 2005. And it's a tool in a toolkit.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
It is a tool in a toolkit for type two diabetes and in some cases for obesity. So I just want to be very clear. And obviously Virta, our providers practice evidence-based medicine. So anything I say next isn't going to be like, oh, you know, drugs are bad in all cases. No, that is not the case. But to answer your question, Specifically, and this is all data that's published in peer reviews.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
So if anyone wants to sort of double check, you can go to VirtaHealth.com and slash research and find out published in peer review results. But indeed, so what we've been able to show is that as we run our nutrition program, among our patients, the following things either improve or get reversed. Obviously type two diabetes, so that's glycemic control. So blood sugar comes down.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
Hypertension, so blood pressure comes down. Inflammation comes down. So this is CRP, C-reactive protein, a white blood cell count. And we also have an unpublished paper looking at 16 inflammation proteins of which almost all improve, which is unheard of, better than Humira. That's unpublished, so that's a caveat. Depressive symptoms improve. Sleep apnea improves, so it gets reversed.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
Knee pain goes down. cardiovascular disease risk markers and 12-year cardiovascular risk goes down. Kidney and liver function improves. So we looked at EGFR and we can't really say that we can, it would be a little bit overreaching to say we reverse kidney disease, but we have shown that we improve kidney function and same with liver function. So when you look at these
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
broad spectrum metabolic health improvements. It's basically the same list that the GLP-1 manufacturers are now showing, that we either improve or reverse. And we've already published this data. So what can we conclude? Again, I'm not the medical doctor here, so maybe Krisma can kind of cover me up here a little bit. But basically what we can show is
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
It is possible to achieve the same broad metabolic health improvements as DLP once may or may not, nutritionally, 100% nutritionally. Therefore, It is not the exogenous molecule that is achieving these results alone, because it's possible to achieve the same results nutritionally. Now we can still debate the mechanism. Is it all about the weight loss or are there other things in play?
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
And our hypothesis is there are other things in play, but again, such as information, reduce information. But we can achieve the same things nutritionally. Which I think, again, is a very important message to be heard because in the next year and two, there's going to be headlines. Oh, GLP-1s now improve the eighth new thing. And the answer is, guess what? Nutrition improves all those things.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
And then finally, I will say, again, there's a place for these trucks. GLP-1 is a tool in a toolkit. But I think this statement holds true, which is, We don't know the short, the midterm and the long-term side effects of exogenous drugs, but we know the side effects of healthy food. Guess what? Happier, better, longer life.
The Dr. Hyman Show
Reversing Diabetes Naturally: The Science Big Medicine Ignored
Like healthy food. It's tough to say like, what's bad about that? Not much.