Ryan Breslow
Appearances
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I'm hanging in there. I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop, J-Cal, and what you're going to do to blow shit up. But I think we're almost there, so we're super excited. We have speaker names going out today, so we'll talk a little bit about who the speakers are. You guys know your bestie, Elon, will be there. Cool.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I mentioned this when we had our conversation in 2020 around governance and why governments seemed to not be able to synthesize different data to make decisions. They were being told what to do by their subordinates. The difference for me is leading versus managing. That a traditional manager, and I've seen this at a lot of companies. I even saw this a lot at Monsanto. The manager...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
says to the people that report to them, what are you guys going to do? And then the people, they go down to the people that report to them and they say, what are you guys going to do? And so you end up net-net developing this kind of bottoms up model for the organization, which is effectively driven with a diffusion of responsibility. And as a result, the lack of vision.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Okay. Third year in a row. He's the only repeat this year. We've got Mark Benioff joining us for a conversation about the future of enterprise. We've got Barry Weiss from the Free Press. We've got Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema. We have John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs to talk about geopolitics with David Sachs, Sachs on Sachs. Nick Asherora. Nick Asherora.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
The leader says, here's what we are going to do, and here is how we are going to do it. And then they can allocate responsibility for each of the pieces necessary. And the leader that's most successful is the one that can synthesize the input from the subordinates and take that synthesis to come up with a decision or a new direction, rather than be told what's the answer by the subordinates.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
So leaders, I think fundamentally are able to number one, understand the different points of view of the people that report to them. Number two, set a direction or set a vision, really clearly say, this is where we are going. And then number three, figure out how to allocate responsibility to the people that report to them to achieve that objective.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Whereas a manager is typically being told what's going to happen in the organization, like a giant Ouija board with 10,000 employees hands on the writing thing that go around and try and write the sentences. And ultimately you just get a bunch of gobbity goop.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
As companies scale and they bring in these quote professional managers, they're typically kind of looking down and saying, hey, what are we gonna do? What's gonna happen next? And they're not actually setting a direction, whereas someone who's a founder typically feels the authority to be able to set the direction. But to Chamath's point, Satya Nadella, Sundar, Nikesh, Tim Cook, a great example.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
There are some really great leaders that have run organizations that are already scaled and then taken them to an order of magnitude or two orders of magnitude beyond where they were when they step in. So I don't think that there's necessarily a founder.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
By the way, what's important about what you just said, Chamath, is that that is effectively, I think, the definition of like being a successful founder, understanding from first principles. So these are leaders that can think from first principles, not necessarily from comparables.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Most managers are taught in business school, here's how a business is run, here's how this person did it, here's how this company did it. And then they go and they try and cookie cut or repeat that. That doesn't really work because every business, if it's going to be successful, it has to be unique.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And so the ability to actually think uniquely and identify from first principles, the means necessary to achieve the mission of the organization, I think is a critical, critical leadership trait. Maybe that, yeah, that leader can come from a founder or not, but this ability to kind of, yeah, ignore convention, ignore comparables and think for yourself.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Well, building a unique business. And I think if you look at Airbnb, and I'll give Brian Chesky incredible credit for this, you look at Uber, you look at how Steve Jobs built Apple, what every one of these businesses have in common is that they were all built in a unique way.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And I think that's what makes great businesses is that they identify their own path, their own unique path for how to operate a business to scale to achieve the mission of the organization.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And I think that that's what's typically lacking in trained managers who use comparables and biases from their prior experience and what they've been trained and taught to use as a cookie cutter type model, which doesn't create unique value. It makes your business look like the other, and ultimately it commoditizes some aspect of the business to the point that the value of the business goes down.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
We've got the legend, the legend from LA, Michael Ovitz, joining us. Love that book. We're going to get into some really cool tech.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
But to build something unique where you're constantly finding the unique path that gives you an advantage is what all of these companies have in common. Whether that unique path was made by an experienced hired person or a first-time founder, it's this ability to kind of build a unique competency that I think makes them all distinct as a group.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
J. Cal, you've interviewed thousands of founders, CEOs you've seen successful, unsuccessful. Do you have a point of view on whether this concept applies and if you have a general kind of heuristic for the difference between success and not success?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
It's a really interesting mix. We've also got some cool panels on tech and robotics. So we're doing all three of the big eVTOL companies, Joby, Archer, and Wisk, and their CEOs are going to be there. Gecko Robotics. So we've got Jake coming from Gecko to actually do a really cool product demo. We have the CEO of Waymo, Takedra Mawakana, joining us to talk about autonomous driving.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Juan Carlos Belmonte talking about age reversal. from Altos Labs, probably the most funded private company in history. And also Ingo's coming out from Europe from Adyen, CEO of Adyen. You guys may not know this, but Ingo has never done a US conference before. So this is his first public speaking event at a US conference.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Great topic to talk about. And huge shout out to my boy, Woody Hoberg, US astronaut, joining us to tell us about his months aboard the ISS, his experience.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
and captaining the Crew Dragon capsule back to Earth. From Uranus. And the future of spaceflight and Uranus, yes. To Uranus. To Uranus. Thank you, everyone.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
You know what happened, J. Cal? It's like me and my guy Draymond, you know, champions. Did I tell you, you know how I met Woody? He's a huge fan of the pod. And then he NASA astronauts, which I follow on Twitter, DM me, and they're like, Woody would like to meet. And I'm like, What? And then I get this message from Woody. I'm like, Is this real? He's like, I'm on the ISS.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I listen to the pod every week. I love the show. And you guys, you know, keep me entertained up here in space. And I'm like, No way. So then he's like, Can you do a zoom? And I'm like, Sure. So we hop on zoom. And I you guys saw this thing. I put it out on on Twitter or something. But I did the zoom with Woody got to know him hang hung out with him since he's been back. Great guy. So
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Well, Eric Schmidt came into Google through his relationship with John Doerr. And John Doerr, as a mentor to Larry and Sergey, an investor in Google, had suggested that they bring in a professional manager that can help them successfully scale the business. And John had this relationship with Eric and Larry and Sergey started to socialize with Eric and it was a very long process.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And they ultimately respected Eric because of his technical capabilities and technical background, which was quite distinct from the other candidates that they had met during this process. but it was necessary. They were first time, they'd never worked anywhere. They'd never had a job. They had never had experience.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I think similarly, Sheryl Sandberg as a partner to Zuck ultimately helped him level up and obviously Chamath and others prior to that. But these first time founders that haven't had any sort of work experience and have no concept of kind of organizational dynamics and the challenges that will arise as you try and build and scale a team to execute a mission,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
typically need to have some degree of counseling, mentorship and support. And so bringing in that degree of experience with someone who's ready and willing to partner with the founders, meaning not necessarily direct them, but partner with them and help them learn as Eric did, and then ultimately handed the reins back to Larry.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And as Cheryl did, and ultimately Zuck continued to kind of lead the company. have been really powerful enabling forces. But Chamath is right. The early days of Silicon Valley venture capital were really framed around this concept where you find some smart technical founding team, and then you bring in a professional manager.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
But that's because so much of the origin of technology in Silicon Valley was about selling technology into an enterprise. So there was kind of a bit of a tried and true business model and business structure that made sense. The new era since the internet has been quite different. Every business model imaginable has been reinvented in Silicon Valley.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And so success, I think, has largely arisen in reinventing businesses, reinventing industries by kind of novel independent thinking leaders, not necessarily bringing in experienced managers to scale up a known business model.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
They're like, can you park my car? And then really excited to have Thomas Lafont come and give us a State of the Union on public market and private market tech investing. He's got a really interesting presentation he's going to share. So a lot of the content from the summit, we're going to be pushing out.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Oh, sorry, co-founder of Co2, yep. And so a lot of the content we're gonna be pushing out on YouTube as quickly as we can. Obviously some of the more timely, newsly stuff we'll get out first. And then as we did in the last two years, material will roll out in the days and weeks that follow. We do not do sponsors here on the All In Podcast, but the All In Summit does have sponsors.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
So a huge shout out. Partners. Which we would never otherwise do, partners. to Excel Events, Hexclad, Merch.com, Athletic Brewing, The Ridge, the greatest law firm on earth, Cooley, Velocity Black, and our big enterprise software partnership sponsor, Google Cloud. Big shout out and big thanks to Google Cloud for stepping it up in a big way.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I'm not sure that giving people a choice of an algorithm is going to work. Consumers just want to have stuff that incites emotion. There's a reason, you know, horror movies do well and also romantic comedies and also adventure films, like they're all emotive.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
At the end of the day, the more emotive something is, the more emotionally inciting it is, the more likely you are to kind of want to have something like that again. And so that's simply the nature of how, you know, humans interact with the world around them.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
When something is emotionally inciting, you want more of it and you get more of it and that creates the dopamine and that drives the behavior. The crazy thing about social media or digital media, firstly, is that the cycle, the feedback cycle is much faster.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Used to be that you put out a book, you wouldn't get the results on how the book sold and how many people liked it and how many people read it till a year later. And then with movies, you get results in a weekend. But with social media, you get results instantly. When a piece of content comes out online, you get an instant result.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
And then with the concept of a feed, where the next content is dynamically selected for you based on your reaction to the content prior to it, you kind of get this immediate feedback loop that then tunes and lines up the next thing. And now you're getting hundreds of iterations an hour.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
So I'm not sure that there's really this like simple solve where let me show you something that's like less inciting. At the end of the day, if it's something that's horrific or something that's romantic or something that's inspiring. If it's emotionally kind of activating enough, you're going to be happy watching the next one. You're going to keep watching and you're going to keep watching it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
They have an incredible set of AI tools that they're making available to startups. Startup founders that are attending the summit get 350,000 bucks in Google Cloud credits. Wait, what? So thanks. Each startup? Each startup, yeah. I would have sent all my companies to this. Exactly.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Yeah. Like if you go on YouTube, I got, I love watching like videos of mountain biking and I see like all these crazy mountain biking videos now. And I'm, and I love watching them. I'm like, dude, this is awesome.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
There's a decay function. That's right. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
for eligible AI startups, which they can use over two years. Comes with a bunch of other benefits. So yeah, it's pretty awesome. Really glad they're doing this and they're gonna have a big set up.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Yeah, for AI startup founders, they can sign up for Google Cloud. They get 350,000 credits that they can use in over two years.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
You can't do that. It's against the terms of service, but thank you to our friends at Google. We did get a funny note from JCal this morning asking if his remaining friends and family tickets could be sold off so he could grift himself some money off of our free allocation. I was like, hey, what can these go for?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
What are your thoughts? No passionate thoughts, J. Cal. Did any of you guys see that video I sent you of Kamala's campaign speech in New Hampshire yesterday? Summarize it for the audience, yeah. She fundamentally pivoted from a lot of the statements she made a few weeks ago that I think caused a resounding amount of commentary about being anti-business anti-economic prosperity.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
A lot of people call these comments socialist in nature. And apparently, she heard the feedback and is now pivoting the message and pivoting the policy. So, you know, I think the one question to understand is how real is the pivot and how much is this about getting elected? She made a couple of key announcements at this campaign speech yesterday.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
The first one is that she started out saying that small businesses are the lifeblood of our economy. She's proposing that we increase the startup tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000. So if you start up a new business and you're generating profitable income, you can deduct up to $50,000 on the year that you start the company up.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
She made an emphasis on getting rid of red tape and deregulating a lot of aspects that make it hard to start companies. She talked a lot about the importance of venture capital and venture dollars, and that there's a goal to spur 25 million new SBA loan applications by the end of her term, so in the next four years, which would be a massive increase in government lending to small businesses.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
She also stepped back the capital gains tax proposal that was made by under the Biden administration that she previously said was her policy as well. and is now proposing a 28% capital gains tax instead of the 40 something percent that I think was the previous proposal. So a 28% capital gains tax only applied to households with a net worth greater than a million dollars.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
But towards the end of her speech, she still talked a lot and got a lot of cheers around the idea that billionaires and big corporations need to pay their fair share. and that there needs to be methods of increasing the taxation of billionaires and big corporations as they're kind of classified by her and some of the other Democrats. So I don't know, is the pivot real?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
Is she becoming more pro-business? Is she responding to the critical feedback she's received over the last few weeks? Or is this just about getting elected? Is this gonna persist? Is this a change in policy, Chamath? I hand it over to you.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
He's actually answering your question. He's answering your question, J. Cal. He's saying that they're not real policy points.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
"Founder Mode," DOJ alleges Russian podcast op, Kamala flips proposals, Tech loses Section 230?
I'm here for the team, J. Cal. It's a team sport.