Ruy Teixeira
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The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I think that's fair. I mean, obviously, it's not a continuous process. There's peaks and valleys, spikes, changes, not a straight line, even going upward, right? It's not a smooth process. But by and large, the last 30 years has seen You could even take it back farther potentially.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
A realignment of the working class away from the Democratic Party and toward the Republicans and then a realignment of the college educated and especially the educated affluent away from the Republicans toward the Democrats. So they really kind of shifted bases in an odd sort of way. There's a famous chart from the 2024 election. I forget the guy who did it, but basically he looked at
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Education and income differentiation, polarization between the parties. And the coalition that the Democrats had in 2024 bears the most relationship to the Dole Coalition of 1996 in terms of... Wow, that's a great, that's a fascinating... Pretty wild, huh?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So what say you? Well, I think it's pretty clear that in Raw...
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
political arithmetic terms they need to tack back toward the working class because it's not really a viable strategy over the medium to long term to keep losing working class voters and try to replace them with college educated voters, particularly when you're starting to lose, you know, this has really been the case in the last couple of cycles, you're starting to lose non-white working class voters, especially Hispanic working class voters.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
but also including black working class voters. So the working class as a whole is just becoming increasingly Republican. And since the working class outnumbers the college educated, something like, depends on if you look at eligible voters or actual voters, probably about two to one and eligible, maybe 60, 40 in terms of people who show up.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And we know because of this strange evolution of the two parties, that the higher turnout election you have, The worst it is for the Democrats, because that's when the peripheral voters who tend to be low information, working class, you know, more inclined to blow it up than to go with the institutions. These are all people for whom the Republicans are more attractive.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So there's another famous chart from the 2024 election that was done by Blue Rose Research that shows that if everybody had shown up, Trump would have won by five points overall, instead of one and a half points. But if only the people who voted in 2022 had showed up, Harris would have slightly won. So this is like the world we live in now.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Sure, like school boards, dog catcher, you name it. Lower the turnout. the better it is for the Ds, because those activist-educated voters who are there in every place in the country, really, but particularly in a, you know, like Omaha is a great example. Omaha is not that liberal, but, you know, who shows up for mayor's elections?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
It's exactly the kind of people who are going to vote straight democratic. And they don't know what to do about that, right? Because it's obviously kind of like a problem. hey, wir sind die Partei der arbeitenden Klasse, historisch, und wir sind für den kleinen Mann.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Und wir denken uns nicht an uns selbst, als repräsentieren wir den beruflichen und afrikanischen, aber es sieht so aus, als wären diese Leute am enttäuschendsten. Aber wenn wir tatsächlich versuchen, diesen Pattern zu rechtfertigen, What do we do?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
We'd have to like basically depart from the preferences of the most activated members of our new coalition, who will absolutely, you know, just to take an example, please say, well, you know, now that we've thought about it, we really don't think biological boys belong in girls sports, full stop. Right. to the intense blowback. And we've already seen some of that, right?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So you can go down a list of things that are making the Democrats less attracted to working class voters in a socio-cultural sense. And on every one of them, it's going to be hard for Democrats Ich meine, Matt Yglesias hatte einen schönen Applaus für das, der andere Tag, Dog Whistle Moderation.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Sie haben festgestellt, hey, wir brauchen mehr arbeitende Verteidigte, wir sollten wahrscheinlich ein bisschen moderner sein. Also hey, ich bin moderner, ich bin für die arbeitende Klasse. Wir wollen nicht weich und wach sein, wie die Terminologie von Alyssa Slotkin, aber sie ändern ihre Positionen nicht. Es sind immer noch genau die gleichen Positionen.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So really, they're just trying to, you know, people who are like hip and are following things understand, oh, I guess that's what they mean when they say, you know, I'm moderate. But the ordinary voter doesn't know that. All they know is Democrats still stand for X, Y and Z. So that's interesting. Right.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I think that's exactly right. And I think that's one reason why that's in a very abbreviated way the thesis of a report I did with Yuval Levin, my colleague at AEI, that we called Politics Without Letters.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
which is basically how neither party wants to, maybe isn't even capable of, forming a dominant majority coalition, because they're so betwixt in between in terms of new and old parts of their coalition, and they don't really have a strategy on how to change that, how to actually grow their coalition once they're actually in office. What Trump's doing is a perfect example of this.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I mean, he came into office with writing... You know, a lot of popular sentiment that was in favor of some of the things he said he stood for in terms of immigration, in terms of the economy, in terms of the whatever. I mean, in every single place he's just gone a lot farther than... I mean, people believe the government bureaucrats. A lot of them are, you know, just throw them over the side.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
But the way he did it was like so scary to people that he probably on net lost more people than he gained. And the whole tariffs thing is like bizarre. People aren't... Ja, es ist eine Kompetenz. Add one thing, Chuck, and that's why, the one thing that, actually, we shouldn't be surprised if the approval ratings have gone down. We should be surprised it's still 46%. Right?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I mean, despite all this mischigas, you know, Trump still is
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Ja, und ich denke, die Flügel werden höher und die Flächen werden niedriger.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
That's right. By this time and the start of Trump's first term, he was, Democrats were in significantly better shape. I mean, I think they were leading on seven, eight points on the junior congressional. Now it's about two points. So obviously things are moving in their direction, but it's not this kind of rubber band snapping back kind of thing.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, I don't rule it out. I mean, obviously, in what you're alluding to in terms of the fundamental structural problem of standing up and keeping a third party around for any length of time, it's pretty hard. So ideally, yes, you'd want to essentially start big and then basically push one of the major parties forward. out the door, right?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So it's still a duopoly, just we have some different parties.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a little too early to say that it's a done deal, but it is remarkable how things have progressed. And it actually shows, I think, You know, what's going on with center-left parties too, because it's really bizarre what's happened to the Labour Party.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
This is a good example of, you get into office because people hate the other parties, and you think you have a mandate, but really, you know, basically people don't even like the Labour Party. They have a bunch of positions and doing a bunch of things people don't like. They have no clue what to do with the economy. They have this whole crazy Ed Miliband Green New Deal type stuff.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Their social positions are still considerably to the left of the median British voter. And people don't like them. So they're already plunging in the polls. The Tories are falling apart, as you pointed out. And so reform is just rocketing upward. You look at a lot of these constituencies where they had the local elections just recently.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Und abgesehen dessen, wie die Estimaten gemacht wurden, wenn sie heute eine Wahl für MPs hielten, würde Ed Miliband einen Platz verlieren, richtig? Ich meine, verrückte Dinge wie das. Also ist da wirklich etwas los. Und ich denke, was es zeigt, ist, dass auf der ganzen westlichen Welt die Leute denken, die größten traditionellen Parteien sind kaputt. Der System ist kaputt.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Die ökonomischen Ausgaben sind kaputt. Der soziale Kontrakt ist kaputt. Die Kultur ist kaputt. And they're looking for something that would make them feel at least a little bit different, a little bit of hope. And they're not seeing it. And this is part of the Democrats' problem at this point. Obviously, Trump's disappointing a lot of people. Obviously, he seems a little crazy.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
People certainly wonder what's going to happen with the economy. But then they look at the Democrats and say, what are you kidding me? Why should I vote for these guys? They're no different than they were, you know, during the Biden administration.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I mean, I wrote a piece the other day, Chuck, I don't know if you saw it, it called Democrats Fork in the Road, Party of Restoration or Party of Change. And I think they're basically, as far as voters are concerned now, they look like the Party of Restoration. They're basically not offering anything different than what they did before. They're not changing their positions.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
They don't look like any better bet than they did before. Whereas voters are thirsty for change. They may not know exactly what that change should be, but it's kind of like hard. I'll know it when I see it. And, you know, Democrats don't even seem to be speaking to that.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
They're just like Trump is, you know, the fascist hound in the White House and his satanic party are about to destroy the world and the United States and everything else. And so you should vote for us because we're like, We're different. I don't think that's enough anymore.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Und jetzt wissen wir, dass das die Endphase der Zeit war. Ist es das Ende des Anfangs oder das Anfang des Endes? Das ist meine Frage.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Well, I think we should never underestimate the good offices of the Democratic Leadership Council and the people associated with it. They really did form a group that spearheaded The concept, Democrats brand, was fundamentally flawed. Of course, there was a great Galston and Kmart seminal piece to politics of Asian in 1989, which basically said, Democrats are kidding themselves.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
They're not going to be saved by economics, by the congressional bastion, by whatever. You really, voters don't trust you in A, B and C and you really must change. You have to be a different kind of Democrat. And you have to signal that very clearly. Right. And I think that is to some extent the difference between then and now. Well, there are two differences.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I'll get to the second one in a second. But the first one is I don't think the appetite there's no there's no group out there. There's no it's not really that there's not really a momentum behind the idea. We have to be Democrats haven't lost a Democrat. Könnte sein, oder?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Sie waren in der Lage, die Runde zu beenden, wenn es eine offene Primärwahl gab, wenn es bessere Messungen gab am Ende der Kampagne. Ich meine, okay, und wenn...
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, both parties believe they're, I mean, whenever they're the out party, they believe they're inches away from becoming the in party again, and maybe in a big way, so the incentives to change aren't high, so I think that's why The revealed preference of Democrats at this point is to be the party of restoration rather than the party of change. Because that's the easy way.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Right, right. Yeah, but this time there may not be a COVID pandemic and all this kind of stuff. Plus, you know, we've had the Trumpian change in politics for a while now. And it doesn't look like That lands the boil. It looks like the populist appetite for change, particularly among the working class, is stronger, if anything, than it was before.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So, yeah, I think they're trying to rerun the same playbook. And I think it's significantly less likely to work. But the second thing I was going to mention, Chuck, besides the fact that I don't see the momentum there for, you know, we have to establish we're a different kind of Democrat. New Democrat, whatever the phrase you want to use. You have to be really different.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
So the appetite isn't there for that yet, for a lot of the reasons we've been going over. The second thing, though, is if you look at the DLC and its origins and how it developed as much influence as it did, it had a lot to do with the structure of the Democratic Party at the time and what the Congressional Caucus was like.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
There were a lot of moderates in the Midwest and the South who were like chafing at the bit. um so etwas zu tun. Weil sie wussten, dass die Dinge in ihren Bereichen nicht gut gehen. Wir hatten starke demokratische Gouverneure. Ja, ja, ja.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Du hattest also eine andere Art von Partei, wo diese Art von Moderation, diese Art von Aufmerksamkeit für die arbeitende Verteidigerin oder die medizinische Verteidigerin viel höher war. Aber ich denke, während der demokratischen Partei jetzt ist es viel mehr uniform, viel mehr homogenisch in Bezug auf die Ideologie und viel mehr hostile.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
to the idea that Democrats really need to change any of what they stand for to make progress. I think that's a much easier sell. There was a political base within the party back in the 84-88 period that just, I don't think there's an analog to it today.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I don't think they see the problem. I think it's pretty obvious from the way Ken Martin ran for chair and all the
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
michigas around that that series of election of course they just throw out david hogg i mean the dnc does not have feel doesn't have under have an understanding nor they wish to try to and they have limited power to push the democrats and in a in a direction that would be ostentatiously moderate different kind of democrat they're as ken martin famously put it there's nothing wrong with
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
in our message or whatever, we just didn't deliver it.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
It's all comms problems, and until and unless... democratic entities like that start realizing it's not just a method. It's not just a comms problem. People don't like us. They don't like what we stand for. They don't like a lot of the positions they associate with us. They don't believe we're going to bring change. So we have to really change that. We can't just stick with
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Our message and the way we are and maybe go on Fox News more often. Or talk to Joe Rogan. I mean, this is like classic comms strategy. Oh, the problem is we just didn't go out broadly enough to talk to the masses of honest workers and peasants about our great ideas. What if they don't think your ideas are so great?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Right. I think that's the problem. It does seem like an obvious opening for some political entrepreneur. But does anyone have the guts to do it? I mean, we have to acknowledge, I think, at this point, Chuck, that Trump is like the towering political figure of the 21st century in America. I mean, he is... If not a genius, there's something about him that's just quite remarkable.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I mean, he really has transformed the American political landscape and he's transformed the Republican Party. He's transformed an entire political party. And as you say, he leveraged that by becoming a different kind of Republican. And who are the Democrats out there today? He completely changed their brand. Who's the brand changer out there among potential? That's my question to you.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I don't see anybody. Ich meine, man kann Menschen anschauen, die manchmal bemerkenswert sind, wie Josh Shapiro oder was auch immer, und man merkt, dass sie extrem vorsichtig sind, was sie sagen und wie sie es sagen. Und sie sind einfach unerlässlich. Schau mal, Elissa Slotkin, richtig? Ich meine, sie hat gesagt, wir wollen nicht weich und wach sein. Aber okay, okay.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Dann erzähl mir, wer du sein wirst. Was ist deine Marke? Was stehst du für? Niemand will da hin. Und vielleicht wird jemand, aber es ist nicht, es füllt mich nicht mit Optimismus, dass niemand so weit wirklich etwas sagt, das so aussieht. Und du könntest eigentlich dazu hinweisen, dass wir die Wahrscheinlichkeit betrachten, dass die Demokraten das Haus wiederholen. in 26.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Right, and maybe they pick up a, you know, maybe they won't take the Senate, but they do better than expected. It's like, okay, fine, everything's great, you know, on to 2028. So, I think that's going to be a problem. You could picture, what do you make of what Gavin Newsom's trying to do? Well, Gavin, he gives opportunism a bad name. Well, I'll say, you know, I kind of admire the guy.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
He's very smart. He's very smart. And I think he's doing exactly the right thing to kind of try to resuscitate his chances as a national politician. Personally, I don't think it's going to work. There's too much backstory there. California is too much of a friggin' mess. They're going to hit $8 gasoline next year.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I don't buy it. But I think it's interesting what he's doing. Maybe he'll be content to just be... You know, a sort of a gadfly in the Democratic Party. You don't forget about trying to be president. Maybe he's sincerely convinced they're going down the wrong path and he's going to help the Democrats.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Serve the people, save the planet and explore the universe. Let's just do it again.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, I was about to bring up Polis, yeah. And But how is he willing to challenge the status quo? It's all quasi libertarian kind of stuff. He's more of a libertarian. Right. But in terms of the other issues that have bedeviled the Democrats, yes.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
He's clearly working within those lines. He's going to go right up to the edge, but not go over. He's not going to pick fights. He's just not. And maybe it's just a personality thing.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Ja, er war ein anderer politischer Athlet, den die Demokraten in diesen Tagen nicht so oft haben.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I think Texas is kind of an interesting example because that was always a great blue whale for the Democrats. It's clearly slipping out of reach. And why is it slipping out of reach? Because they're basically losing altitude among the group that they thought would in the end turn Texas toward the Democrats, which is the Hispanic vote, right? So you need to figure out, why is that?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And what can we do about it? And if you can't start appealing to these Hispanic working class voters in a place like Texas, your whole political, long-term political strategy starts to fall apart. So, I mean, that's not the only state you want to work in, but it would be an interesting example of a state where you should really take seriously that you should be more competitive there.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And there's a variety of other states where you could argue that Pick a red state at random, where the, you know, purple and then red state, where Democrats don't have a prayer of electing a senator anymore, right? You know, pick out one or two of those and figure out, well, how can we crack this case? Because if we can't crack that case, we're never taking back the Senate.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Working in those states, basically, you're talking about finding a much better white working class, because that's the only way you're probably going to be able to elect senators there. But in Texas, it would be more like the Hispanic working class. So you put those two together, and I think that's a basket of targets you could start working harder on.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Aber ja, wenn man sich einfach an die großen sieben steckt, so genannt, ich denke, das ist, wenn man nur die Grenzen arbeitet, denke ich nicht, dass es wirklich auf die Dinge, die großen Dinge, die geschlossen werden müssen, fokussiert. Du siehst nur, oh, wir machen nur eine marginalere Verbesserung hier oder da und wir sind wieder im Spiel.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, I agree. I mean, people forget it wasn't that long ago when Democratic presidential candidates used to carry the white working class. It wasn't that all you know. I mean, the big spike was in 2016, but they were losing it even before then.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
But it was just, there was all these, like, what we now think of as red, pretty red Midwestern states, where Democrats regularly would carry the white working class, at least by a little bit. And because they're getting hammered so badly among that demographic in those states where they're so large, they don't have a lot of chance.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And of course, you know, they try to make that up, and to some extent they have, with white college-educated voters. I mean, why are the Democrats even competitive in Wisconsin? It's because of white college-educated voters. That's really it.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Well, A, there's more white college-educated voters. I mean, it's just a mix of that thing, right? There's just more of them, and they move pretty sharply in the Democrats' direction. The second thing is that there's more than some of these other states, certainly more than Iowa. I think there's a residual... Populismus, Arbeitsklasse. Ich erinnere mich an die Demokraten.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Sie waren nicht so schlecht. Der Populismus-Ökonomische Weg, der, glaube ich, ihnen immer noch hilft. Aber ich denke, logischerweise wird dieser Weg von Wahl über Wahl ausgleichen, weil einige von ihnen generationell sind und es wahrscheinlich gewinnen wird. Es wird kürzlich weggehen. Sie brauchen eine andere Formel. um die neuen Arbeitsklassenvorschläge zu erreichen.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Und offensichtlich ist es Pools Gold, sich darauf zu konzentrieren, wie gut sie die deutschen Vorschläge machen, weil das nicht genug ist. Wir werden immer auf einer guten Ebene sein. If you want to actually have a solid, not just sort of peripherals, not just like 50-50 chance.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
If you want like to regularly win Wisconsin, then I think you have to take seriously ideally doing much better among white working class voters. Forget about the white college voters. They're going to vote for you anyway. I think. And you gotta get out the black. I mean, look at what's happening with the non-white working class vote in a lot of states like Wisconsin. It's just not showing up.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
They don't like the Democrats. They don't care about them. You know, there's increasing Hispanic presence in some of these states too, but it is remarkable how unenthusiastic black working class voters are.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I think that top of mind reaction to the parties at this point is not good for the Democrats. And yeah, campaigning matters. You pour enough money into a given state, you probably move the needle somewhat. But it just shows that the baseline party preference in a lot of these states is turning against you, right? You don't campaign in Illinois and that's what winds up happening.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I mean, that should tell you something, right? There's a lot of voters out there who will show up in a presidential year without too much beating them over the head. They don't like you very much. So... Ich meine, die Frage ist, wie interpretierst du diese Frage von Verschwörung oder Mobilisierung? Wir spenden mehr Geld, wir mobilisieren mehr unserer Leute.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Wenn wir mehr Geld spenden, dann bewegen wir einige der Leute, die sonst sagen, hey, warum geben wir Trump eine Chance? Wir haben es tatsächlich geschafft, einige dieser Leute nicht zu versprechen. Es ist kein solvabel Problem. Ich meine, ich denke, die Daten zeigen, dass die spezifischen Analysen,
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Overall at least, the tribute three quarters of the change to persuasion and one quarter to mobilization in this election. But it would depend obviously on the state.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
But I would not say it's a... I mean, I guess you could infer from that, well, if we campaign hard enough, everywhere, you know, and if we did so much better in Swing State X, because we campaigned hard and spent a lot of money, as opposed to in Illinois or California, then that just means we would spend even more money. And those swing states will do even better.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And we don't even need to worry about the fact that we're losing ground in urban areas in New Jersey and Illinois and so on among non-white working class voters. But I think that's a temptation among some strategists. But I think it would be wrong. I think they should see it instead as part of a general pattern of this realignment we've been talking about, which is problematic for the Democrats.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Democratic strategists move the Democrats away from the center. Republican strategists move them toward the center. I think that's a significant factor. I mean, we know it's not just the strategists. It's the whole infrastructure of the Democratic Party and of institutions that are associated with the Democratic Party. They're all...
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Really, pretty far than that, as a median voter, particularly on hot button issues. So this is, and again, I think there's not an honest attempt to grapple with that and make the appropriate corrections. Right. No, because you'll offend somebody. You'll offend people. You're afraid of offending somebody. You absolutely will.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And so I say, I think I wrote a piece once saying, you know, Democrats need to piss more people off until they do it.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Well, back to Sister Soldier. People strenuously resist the idea that Democrats need to do anything like that in the next period of time.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I would look at some of those towns where, and you know, it would be hard to tell how much of that is turnout and how much of it is persuasion. You know, you had all these Hispanic-heavy towns where there were these massive swims toward Trump. I mean, 20, 30 points. So, you know, look at that and see. I think it'll be less. Relative to previous patterns.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
But I think, in other words, they'll probably do better in these towns. But how much better? And what is that attributable to? Are we really reaching these voters? Or just different voters showing up? You know, and I think the closer it is, I think the more you'll find an influence of the vote in those towns, right?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Not in the affluent college-educated suburbs, but more the working class and frequently Hispanic-heavy towns. That's what I'd like to have.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Look, I'm old enough, Chuck, to remember when New Jersey was thought of as a swing state. Both 88 and 92. We treated it that way in 92.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I would say they'll try not to talk about him, but the problem is that it's going to be this sort of live political issue. Because people are going to keep getting asked about, well, didn't you realize you could barely walk and talk at the same time? Weren't you aware of this? If so, why didn't you say something? I think
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Das wird Druck auf, vielleicht jemanden, du hast es vorhin schon gesagt, aus der Packung zu brechen und zu kritisieren. Du siehst, es gibt einen entwickelten Versuch, das zu tun, richtig?
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Ich würde sagen, ich würde es in die noch mehr Kategorie nehmen. Was sieht das so aus? Well, not only you do, you know, full-throatedly say, I mean, I don't know if you're willing to say, I knew and I just didn't say. I mean, that's a hard thing to, I mean, I lie. So people want to avoid saying that, but.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Well, you could say that, but how convincing is that if I'm an ordinary voter? It's like, wait a minute, you wanted a senile guy in a wheelchair? And you were putting your thumb on the scales for that? I don't think so. So I don't think that's so convincing.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I think you might want to twin that, whatever distance he put on the cognitive decline issue, with basically being very aggressive, if not brutal, about some of the mistakes of the Biden administration. It's interesting.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I agree. I said that in something I wrote the other day. I think Buttigieg is a very smart guy, certainly a good talker. But yeah, I just think it's like an albatross around his neck.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Yeah, yeah, no, I toy with the idea, Chuck, that we're still not really pricing it, how bad this is for Democrats. That whole scandal of not being, covering up, basically. dass dieser Kerl praktisch nicht da war, um diesen Präsidenten zu verabschieden. Das ist ein großes Problem. Die Leute mögen Trump, aber die Leute denken, er ist auf dem Job, welchen Job er macht.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Sie denken nicht, was habt ihr für zwei oder drei Jahre gedacht? Ich meine, ich denke nur, dass all diese Bücher, die rauskommen, immer mehr dokumentiert werden. Und es bleibt ein Punkt der Diskussion und Dissektion sein. And more will come out about how much people covered up.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And it just undercuts any attempt to be the party of change, that's really the thing.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Well, I mean, I think that there are some people toying with the idea of breaking from the pack. And I think there's certainly more of a realization in the aftermath of the election that there are fundamental problems with the Democrats and their brand that We should try to do something about. I don't think they might know what to do. And I don't think they have the guts right now to maybe do it.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
But at least there's that realization. The second thing, of course, is Trump. You know, this is this administration that doesn't know what it's doing. They may in fact really crash the economy. Voters may in fact, you know, be responding to that as late as the 2020 cycle.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Right, right. Ja, also ich meine, ich weiß nicht, ob das... Und sie sind nicht glücklich mit der Arbeit jetzt. ... für unser Land, aber in rauhen politischen Terminen für die Demokraten, die schlimmste, die die Trump-Administration ist, besonders in ökonomischen Terminen, desto besser wird es für sie sein. Also das wäre hoffnungsvoll für sie, wieder in die Macht zu kommen.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Aber ich denke, wiederum, aus dem Standpunkt des Landes und der Art der Regierung, die wir brauchen, denke ich nicht, dass das so gut ist.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I don't disagree with that. It's as they used to say, a known unknown. We'll see.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
I do not have a new book. One thing people might find interesting is I'm just about to put out a report with my friend Greg Kallenberg on the legacy of Bobby Kennedy. It's called Bobby Kennedy, liberal, patriot, what political leaders can learn from Bobby Kennedy today.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
And it's an examination of his career and his particular interesting sort of synthesis of liberal and conservative politics that appealed to both black and white working class voters. And his willing, you know, sort of what he thought being a Democrat was all about back in the day. Und ich denke, es ist, weißt du, es gibt viel da, was die Leute denken können.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Er ist ein potenzieller Modell für eine andere Art von Politik, wenn jemand es versuchen wollte. Also es ist ein ziemlich substanzielles Bericht und es sollte bald kommen, sowohl über seine Karriere und die Relevanz für heute.
The Chuck ToddCast
How Can Democrats Get Their Mojo Back?
Could be, brother, could be. Anyway, check out the report. See what you think.