Ronnie Tokazowski

Yeah, yeah. I'm the kind of guy who's at a dinner table. I was like, hey, let's talk about blood sacrifices and voodoo.

Yeah, yeah. I'm the kind of guy who's at a dinner table. I was like, hey, let's talk about blood sacrifices and voodoo.

Yeah. Scattered Canary was a mostly Nigerian cyber fraud group that we found back in 2018 that was engaging in business email compromise. The reason we named them Scattered Canary was because one, they were very scattered in their targeting. And two, they were kind of our canary in the coal mine that let us identify a lot of things around 419 scams and business email compromise.

Yeah. Scattered Canary was a mostly Nigerian cyber fraud group that we found back in 2018 that was engaging in business email compromise. The reason we named them Scattered Canary was because one, they were very scattered in their targeting. And two, they were kind of our canary in the coal mine that let us identify a lot of things around 419 scams and business email compromise.

One of the things that happened during the pandemic was was unemployment money was given out fairly easily. And whenever one of these programs happened, the scammers are quick to jump on that. And they quickly jumped on that bandwagon for a lot of the unemployment funds. What Scattered Canary did... was they used different email accounts or email accounts that had the Google.bug in them.

One of the things that happened during the pandemic was was unemployment money was given out fairly easily. And whenever one of these programs happened, the scammers are quick to jump on that. And they quickly jumped on that bandwagon for a lot of the unemployment funds. What Scattered Canary did... was they used different email accounts or email accounts that had the Google.bug in them.

And they went and hit the unemployment fraud systems. And at the peak, we saw them hitting 14 different states. For unemployment fraud in general, where that stands, we are upwards of around $400 billion that's been stolen as a result of some of these things. And there's some new information coming out from about ID.me and how some of the stolen money may not have been fully articulated.

And they went and hit the unemployment fraud systems. And at the peak, we saw them hitting 14 different states. For unemployment fraud in general, where that stands, we are upwards of around $400 billion that's been stolen as a result of some of these things. And there's some new information coming out from about ID.me and how some of the stolen money may not have been fully articulated.

But what we know of right now is that $100 billion was confirmed from Secret Service. We know that $400 billion is up in question for the money that was taken.

But what we know of right now is that $100 billion was confirmed from Secret Service. We know that $400 billion is up in question for the money that was taken.

So that was... I'll...

So that was... I'll...

Billion with a billion with a B. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of where the lines get muddy between business email compromises because we know that Scouter Canary, again, who was doing business email compromise, we know they were doing romance scams. We know they were doing unemployment fraud. And that's kind of why I say BEC is the number one crime that's out there because...

Billion with a billion with a B. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of where the lines get muddy between business email compromises because we know that Scouter Canary, again, who was doing business email compromise, we know they were doing romance scams. We know they were doing unemployment fraud. And that's kind of why I say BEC is the number one crime that's out there because...

That's over $500 billion that we know are tied back to business email compromise scammers who are doing this. And we know other scammers were involved in that too. But no, it's, yeah, it was $100 billion that was confirmed from Secret Service. There's a possible, it's a possible $400 billion that is up for discretion and kind of being pushed through for Congress.

That's over $500 billion that we know are tied back to business email compromise scammers who are doing this. And we know other scammers were involved in that too. But no, it's, yeah, it was $100 billion that was confirmed from Secret Service. There's a possible, it's a possible $400 billion that is up for discretion and kind of being pushed through for Congress.

But that's what it looks like the new number is going to lay at is about $400 billion that has been confirmed.

But that's what it looks like the new number is going to lay at is about $400 billion that has been confirmed.

Treasury has lost. Not only is that a lot of money that the U.S. Treasury lost, that's a lot of money that came out of... Are you an American citizen?

Treasury has lost. Not only is that a lot of money that the U.S. Treasury lost, that's a lot of money that came out of... Are you an American citizen?