Ron Livingston
Appearances
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Eigentlich ist es ein bisschen erstaunlich, weil es eine Person ist, die sich mit viel Scheiß beschäftigt, mit dem ich mich niemals, niemals, niemals, niemals mit mir selbst beschäftigen möchte. Ja, sicher. Und dann, wenn du es dir selbst beschäftigen musst, denkst du dir, oh, das war, ja, das war wert von jedem Cent, du weißt. Ich antworte 90 E-Mails.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, aber und einiges davon war nicht, weißt du, einiges davon war mir, äh, nur eine Idee in meinem Kopf, wie, naja, weißt du, du musst den Rang der so und so schicken, weißt du, ähm, und ich konnte es nicht. Ja, ich konnte es nicht. was at some point you got to do that Tiger Beat photo where you have your hand up on the locker and you're sort of leaning. You know what I mean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Or people, you know, you have that like, kind of you push your eyebrows forward and you do that swoony look and stuff. I just couldn't do it without laughing. I couldn't do it. I couldn't be it. I couldn't be it. I couldn't. I tried to. And I really like... You know, I kind of like beat myself up because it's like if you weren't that, then you, I don't know, then what were you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And it was ridiculous because there was a period where I think I was passing on parts that weren't that. Yeah. Because, but then when the parts that came along that were that, I would pass on those too because I was like, I can't fucking do that. I'm 57.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, you're alright. I think there's the ones where you say no to it and then it goes on to be wildly successful for someone else. Yeah, yeah. But then I'm like, okay, good. I kind of made the right decision because look how well my decision turned out for somebody else.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Most of the time. I mean, obviously I couldn't even, like I didn't want to, so I guess, what are you going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I'm back-footed. And, you know, maybe bordering on, like, non-ambitious. So it's like, oh, great, I'll take a nap. I'll, you know. Go look at the food again. Or I'll study, you know. Sure, you do the lines. Not just the lines, but, like... Yeah, like I'll inhabit the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I love it. I love it. I love that part where I don't have to come up with the call sheet. I love the part where it's all laid out on, okay, we're doing this then and this, and then we're moving on to this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I don't tend to spend four hours in makeup. I'm okay with it. Especially, you know, like if I'm on location, if you call me in at 5 a.m. and 12 hours later we didn't get to my scene and then they go, oh, I'm sorry, Ron, we're going to send you home, we just didn't get to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das war der magische Moment für mich, die Samsung-TV in dem Trailer, wo ich den Criterion-Kanal und all meine Netflix und so aufhören konnte. Oh, that's a big show. Changed everything. That's a big show. Yeah, I mean like... Oh, you use your own Wi-Fi. 95% of the time I found that those things don't work. None of them work. Yeah, they're hooked up to like a satellite dish that's pointed down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
None of them turn on. If there was someone a lot bigger than you or me in there, they would figure out a way to make it work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das ist ein hartes Racket. Ich denke, sie haben sich auf das gedreht. Für ein bisschen war das das Ding. Nicht nur würden sie ihren eigenen Trailer bekommen, sondern sie würden es an die Produktion rentieren und ihnen die Geld für es zahlen. Oh, es gibt ein Racket dazu. Yeah, it was a great, yeah, that was a thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Your own ridiculously huge expensive thing that's tailored just how you like it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I kind of say, if I have any of those bargaining chips, I always save it for things that I think are going to make the movie better. I don't want to fight about... You know, I don't want to fight about dumb shit. About whether my trailer is closer to the set than someone... You know, like... I can't do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Some people feed on it. I think some people get fired up by being in conflict all day. And so those are things to be in conflict about, to sort of keep that edge up. That's exhausting. If I want to go in and say, hey, can we look at these four lines, because I think we can do better than this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I want that to be the thing where they're like, well, shit, Ron never complains about anything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
He feels really strongly about this, so let's think about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I mean, I figure it's a lot like... It's like a designer suit. I'm not saying that Hugo Boss didn't... I'm not saying I'm a better suit designer than Hugo Boss. I'm saying this sleeve is about three inches too long on me. Can we take it up a little bit? Just to fit me. Make the adjustment. Right, I'm the guy that's wearing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then if they have an answer for like, no, this sleeve is supposed to be three inches long, because that's the fashion now. Right. Dann werde ich das wissen. Und dann werde ich sagen, oh, okay. Oh, okay. Ich habe es. Ich gehe mit. Okay, gut. Aber ich möchte das wissen. Ja. Weil dann kann ich auf die nächste Sache gehen. Und ich würde die Möglichkeit haben, immer besser zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Wir haben uns auf einem Prozedural-Show für Fox 2006 getroffen, wo wir wie Verhandlungsverhandler in Liebe waren. Ja. Weil wie kann das nicht funktionieren? Und es hat funktioniert. Und ja, es war großartig. Und ich hätte sie nie, ich hätte sie nie verfolgt, wenn sie nicht, sie musste nicht tatsächlich, sie konnte nicht weg. Ich hatte die meiste Jahre, wo... Um es zu funktionieren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, als wir zusammen waren, waren wir zwölf. Ich habe sie einfach untergebracht. Ich habe sie untergebracht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja. Wer war... Ich denke, es war... Kaufmann? Kaufmanns Agent, denke ich. Oder es war Spikes. Aber nein, ich denke, es war Kaufmanns. Du hast den Typen getroffen? Ja. Er hat mir ein Bild von den beiden von uns geschickt. Aber hast du ihn gemacht? Nein, ich wusste ihn nicht wirklich. Ich habe ihn noch nie kennengelernt. Aber ich glaube, Spike hatte eine sehr... Ich weiß nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich meine, so viel davon ist auf der Webseite. Und dann... Das ist wirklich lustig. Das war wie eine 2,5-Hour-Audition. Wirklich? Ja. Ich ging in mit, okay, es ist ein Agent und die Leute sind dumm, also mache ich das stereotypische Agent-Ding. Und Spike hat vielleicht eine Stunde mit mir verbracht, mich davon zu entfernen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Er hat mir einfach die Möglichkeit gegeben, nein, du musst das nicht tun. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, it's something that I think I understand from being an actor. And you deal with scripts your whole life. You see scripts your whole life. And as an actor, you're like, oh, this scene sucks. We gotta fix this scene. This is shit. Let's just fix it. And it's not until you then try to write something yourself that you realize, oh my God, this is... Ja, du bist der Schreiter. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, das Stück, ich glaube, ich wusste nicht wirklich, dass das ein wirkliches Stück war. Aber es war lustig, es war lustig zu spielen. Es war auf der Webseite, also war es so, oh, ich spiele das. Und es war einfach so, ja. Und war Kaufmann da immer? Nein, er war nicht da für die Audition. Aber während des Schutzes? Remember him being there for the shoot. No, he might have been.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
If he was, he was sitting at the monitor and, you know. Yeah. That was a, and it's like I had that audition and I thought, this is, oh, I have to get this because why would you spend an hour and a half on a person that you're not going to hire. Right. And then I didn't hear anything about it for 15 minutes. Really?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, I think they either must have cast somebody else who fell out or they forgot to cast this role. And so like three days before it shot on a Friday at 6.30 or something, I was supposed to be on a plane, I was going to like... I was going to France for Band of Brothers opening or something like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And thank God, my manager's assistant was staying late and caught it and took it upon herself to track me down and say, hey, there's this part on Monday, let's change your plans, do you want to do it? What was it, like a two-day shoot? An afternoon, I was there for an afternoon. So funny, that movie is so fucking good. Yeah, that's one of the... Nicht nur die Filme, sondern auch das Skript.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich glaube, das ist vielleicht das beste Skript, das jemals geschrieben wurde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und dann habe ich The Orchid Thief gelesen. Und es ist so, oh mein Gott, es kapiert so perfekt diese Geschichte und die Geschichte über das Adaptieren eines Films. Und es ist einfach, es ist überwältigend. Ja, und Nicolas Cage ist ein Trip. Ja, er, ich meine, wiederum, ich habe ihn für eine halbe Nachmittag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und ja, er, also ich fühle mich nicht, ich fühle mich nicht wirklich, als hätte ich ihn kennengelernt. Ich hätte ihn in der Charaktere kennengelernt. Ja, ja. Und dann war er jemandem ein Gewinn gegeben, also er hatte, er war wie ein Tuxedo, als wir zu meiner Coverage kamen, und dann musste er gehen. Ja. Aber, du weißt, ich habe einfach nur Fan von seinem Arbeit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I don't know that he's under, because I think people think he's great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I think it's just, he's one of those guys that he makes, he chooses things, like, he chooses the things that he wants to do. Because they, I mean, again, I'm projecting and I'm speaking, but like if I were Nick Cage and I were, you know, I think that's the thing that I respect so much about him is that... Oh, he just does whatever the fuck he wants to do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And when people are like, wait, you're doing this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's electric some of the time. Yeah, you're halfway helping. Yeah. I would... I think maybe my next car will be electric, but I don't know. I think one of these cars would have to die. If you buy a Toyota, it's not going to die. So far this one has lasted for, we're doing a Toyota spot now, but it's lasted for a long time. I had one, it was a Prius, I had it, it got totaled. I got another one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, and they just keep going. Do you buy them or lease them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I think it makes sense if you're a person who's going to buy a new car every year. Yeah, every couple of years. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to drive the damn thing into the ground.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Me, Ashton Kutcher. Oh, I know there's a couple more.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's like, you start a fight that way. You start like a passive-aggressive, nice Midwestern argument over that. Because it used to be a larger town than Cedar Rapids. And then the railroad came and Cedar Rapids became bigger and they grew together. But we, yeah, you would never call it a suburb of Cedar Rapids. It's its own thing. It's just a very small town right next to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And a lot of people live there and work in Cedar Rapids. And your folks just come from there? They just came, yeah. They lived there, they went to the same high school. My grandparents lived two blocks apart.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Deutsch, Englisch, Irisch. Wir haben es verloren. Wir haben den Thread verloren. Mein Vaters Großvater war die erste Generation aus Prussia. Ja. Am Ende des Jahrhunderts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah. And I think there was a constant, like Prussia was one of those places where there was constant war and a mandatory draft. So like, I think. He got out? Yeah, he got out of there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I knew them well, yeah. They were around. They were around. My parents were young. My parents were, well, technically my mom was 17 when I was born. She turned 18 the day after I was born. Technically. So she was 17 for a day and then she was 18. And you. And me. That's young. Yes. Were they married? They got married maybe five or six months before I was born. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Es ist ein bisschen schrecklich. Ich habe einen jüngeren Bruder, der ungefähr die gleiche Ängste wie ich von meiner Mutter. Was? Ja, ich habe einen jüngeren Bruder, der 17 Jahre jünger ist. Wie viele Brüder sind da?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber sobald du weggegangen bist, war er einfach geboren? Ich kannte ihn. Ja, ich sah ihn geboren werden. Oh, wow. Meine Mutter, ja, ich glaube, sie war so, als wäre es ihr viertes Geburtstag und es fühlte sich so an, als würde sie uns nur sehen wollen. Ich weiß nicht, wie viel es war, weil du fast da bist oder ich will, dass du Scheißer bist, wenn ich für dich durchgegangen bin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Wow, that's a life-changing moment. It really was. And we had a couple of, there were a couple of kids staying with us. At the time, my buddy Darren, because his parents had moved out of town, he was there. They just left him at your house?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Oh, yeah. Ja, wir haben darüber gesprochen. Er wusste es. Sein Vater ist weggegangen und seine Mutter musste irgendwo anders hin. Und Darren wollte keine Senior-Jahre in einer neuen Hochschule in einem anderen Staat machen. Und wer war der andere Kerl? Es war eine Frau. Ihr Name war Michelle. Wir nannten sie Fred. Und waren ihre Eltern auch bei dir? Yeah, kind of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I think her mom, single mom, moved to Vegas. And Michelle, yeah, she wanted to stay. It was just one of those things. We were that house. We were kind of that house. That was like, yeah, come on. We got room.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
No, it was just, I mean, yeah, these were sort of like kids that were friends of ours. Okay. And... I mean, Michelle's got some funny stories, because of course we don't have a room for her. So she's sleeping in a bed with my, you know, my sister, who I think was nine or ten. Yeah. And she was in her teens?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
They all went through it. Well, my sister Jennifer was... In Iowa. In Wisconsin. In La Crosse, Wisconsin. Yeah. She was an anchor? Yeah. News anchor. Years and years and years. And changed careers maybe two years ago and now she works for Mayo Clinic. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Kind of. Or at least there's some stuff we don't want you to talk about, and we want you to take a pay cut while you're not talking about it, and they were sort of like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
She went to school for journalism? She did. Yeah. And the other brother? Uh, John, uh, John was an actor, uh, We came out here at about the same time. This is the youngest one? This is the one who's like three and a half years younger than I am. So it's you, him, then her, then the youngest one. Yeah, and then Nick. Nick's the baby.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And Nick came out and was like an actor for about a minute and was actually starting to kick off. And then he was like, this is dumb. I'm going back to school. And he does video. He's a video game designer now for Sony. They make video games. And my brother's work, my brother John,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I do, too. I was sort of taken aback a little bit, but I didn't have an argument. I was kind of like, it's not not dumb.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, er, ich denke, er, und wir waren, du weißt, er hätte es vielleicht gemacht, es könnte ein Mini-Strike gewesen sein oder so etwas, also gab es fünf Monate Wartung und es gab eine Menge Wartung. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Hat er getrainiert? Ja. He was doing some improv stuff. But he was good. He just had kind of a natural thing. I think that's half of it, if not more than half of it. It's a big kickstart. I think in the beginning especially you have to be a little delusional about Yeah. Did you go to school for it? I studied it undergrad, so it was like half and half. Where was that? I was at Yale undergrad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
New Haven? New Haven, Connecticut, but not a conservatory program. It wasn't in the School of Drama. It wasn't the fancy Yale. It wasn't the fancy one. It was plenty fancy, but it was, you know, it was... Sie wollten, dass es ein akademischer Degree war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und dann, natürlich, die Leute, die das Büro rannten, bemerkten, dass es verrückt ist, dass man kein Theater-Degree haben kann und nicht Menschen lehren kann, wie man Theater macht. Also hat es einen Trainingsaspekt eingeführt, aber ich fühle mich, als ob sie immer versucht haben, diese Teilweise reinzuschneiden. Also war es wirklich so, was war das Degree, das Sie machten?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Es wurde Englisch in Theaterstudien genannt. Ich denke, jeder andere Ort würde es ein Englischmajor und ein Theatermajor nennen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Oh, so you're already like way in. Doing musicals? Yeah, only because that's half of what was being put on. So if you're not going to sit it out, you're going to do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
They were, you know what, it's, I think part of the reason that I went there is that it checked off the box that I had to check off. And once I checked off that box, I didn't, they were like, we don't even know now what to require of you because... You checked off the biggest box we could think of. You finished college. Yeah, you finished college at a good college. And so, okay. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But what did they do? My dad was an engineer. And I remember they had a kid at like 18, 17, 18. You. Me. So my mom was forced to drop out of high school because of course the scandal, you know, you couldn't have that. Yeah. Yeah. Und mein Vater, wir als Familie gingen nach Iowa State. Mein Vater studierte Ingenieurarbeit und war ein Flugzeugingenieur und wurde dann Elektroingenieur.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Er hatte eine Karriere mit dem. Er, ja, das war das einzige, das er gesagt hat, du kannst alles sein, was du willst, außer Ingenieur. Ja. Because he thought it was horrible? I think he just, you know, it was the thing that he was good at math and so the guidance counselor said, you should be an engineer. And he was like, okay. And then he became an engineer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then I think all those years later, he was sort of like, I don't actually like this. Do you even understand what it is he does? Es sind viele Mathematik-Probleme, um sicherzustellen, dass es nicht zerbrochen wird. Das ist eine gute Art, es zu sagen. Er hatte eine Karriere, in der er es nicht genossen hat, bis er zu dem Alter kam, in dem er sich retten konnte. Ja. und und und und und und und
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, the things that, like, women were sort of allowed to do. My mom did, like, in-home daycare for a while. Sounds like she did it the whole time. Yeah, well, kind of. For teenagers, too. Yeah, kind of. She sold Mary Kay, and then...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Uh, sie arbeitete an einer Nahrungsfläche, äh, machte einen Befehl für Film, Film, sie arbeitete eigentlich, äh, sie machte ein bisschen Säuberung auf der, ähm, bei Rockwell Collins, äh, auf der, auf der Assemblingslinie. Ja. Und dann, äh, vielleicht, äh,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Vor vier Jahren, genau an der Zeit, als meine Schwester graduierte, also ich glaube, ich war aus der Schule, ich war aus der Schule seit vier Jahren, sie ging und wurde verurteilt und wurde Lutheraner. Lutheraner Pastor. Which was kind of her calling all along, but it took that many years for women to really be allowed to be a Lutheran pastor. Lutheran is a pretty liberal one, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's pretty liberal, but, you know, not in the 70s quite so much.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, it's like there's a Scandinavian, German, Northern German... So she had a congregation? She had a congregation. Wow. What is the Lutheran Angle? Lutheran Angle was the... It's basically, I think, the origin of it. First of all, it's the very first piece of the Protestant Revolution, which I kind of... It's Catholicism unplugged. Yeah. Right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So the idea is, we don't need all this fancy shit. Yeah. Let's just have some wooden pews. Yeah. We don't need... We're going to dispense with all the decorative stuff. Get back to basics. All the ceremony, the pomp. Yeah. And we're going to... And it's ridiculous that the Bible's in Latin. We're going to translate it into all the languages that people actually speak.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And we're not going to have the priest be the only guy that knows how to read the thing now. Everybody can read it themselves and make their own decisions as to what they think it means.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I think you're thinking like Unitarians and Episcopalians.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, it's inclusive and whatever. There was a lot, there was, I think historically there was a big antisemitism piece involved. Oh yeah, with Luther. Yeah. The main guy. So it's, I'm, you know, they didn't, they didn't solve all the problems with it. Yeah. Did you, certainly. Did you grow up believing? I did. Yeah. That's good. I did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And I still do on a certain... It's just that I think what's evolved is my idea of what believing means. Yeah. Yeah. How so? Like, I think, you know, it used to be you either believe this or you don't. Yeah. This is either true or it's false. Right. And now... Ich denke, auch Menschen mit Glauben sagen dir, sie haben Momente, in denen du mit deiner Glauben kämpfst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das heißt, es gibt Tage, in denen du es glaubst, und es gibt Tage, in denen du es nicht glaubst. Und du gehst zurück und wieder auf diese Scheiße. And I kind of take it a step further where it's like they go, you know, like, do you believe in Spider-Man? Yeah, no. You don't believe in Spider-Man, but we can sort of talk about Spider-Man. Like, we know a lot about Spider-Man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
If you talk about Spider-Man enough and... Spider-Man beginnt sich anzunehmen. Und die Leute sagen, er lebt hier. Und die Leute sagen, nein, er lebt nicht. Es gibt einen Kanon auf ihm. Und die Leute werden darüber argumentieren. Ich glaube, es gibt ein bisschen davon. Ich muss nicht wirklich entscheiden, ob es wirklich ist oder nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
We're not going to something that I think someone else would call a church. There's pockets of communities everywhere. You know, again, it's like, what's a church? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
25, it was... So, after Yale, you go back to Iowa. I went back to Iowa. I had a... This was a really hard moment. I did a really weird thing that nobody ever does, you know, when you take a semester off in school. I took off the second semester of my senior year.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, it was, I had joined, my senior year I was like in, at Yale there's like acapella music and this is back before Pitch Perfect and before it became cool. You were doing the acapella thing? I was doing the acapella thing. And you owned that publicly? And I, you know what, yeah. Yeah, I'm old enough. Who cares now? Could you walk back into it if someone said, hey, come on up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I'd have to, yeah, I'd have to rehearse. I'd probably have to rehearse this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I'm in an a cappella group. But I'm this theater major. And I really wanted to direct a play as part of the big senior requirement. And I couldn't do both. So I took the semester off so that I would come back in the fall and direct an adaptation of The Cherry Orchard, which I did. I loved it. It was great. But what also happened is that that sucked up everything in the fall for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So then after the play was done, I had about two or three weeks when I was supposed to do all the coursework from the other three classes that I needed to graduate. Yeah. And I left campus in January with two papers that I hadn't written. So those were kind of hanging over my head. And I went back to Iowa, you know, back at my parents' house. And I banged out the first one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then I had the second one. And I just couldn't fucking do it. I couldn't do it. I couldn't. It was like... Just the thought of writing a paper right now. Yeah, and I think it was both in that, like I didn't, I hadn't attended the, it was, you know, I didn't have anything really to say.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then I'm sure there was this kind of blockage piece where I realized that once I finished this, I was going to have to now move on to the next chapter and be ready to do that. Yeah. Ja, also das war wie, da gab es diese Art von vier oder fünf Monaten von Leid. Wie ein Unkompletter, der über dich hängt? Wie ein Unkompletter, dass wenn ich das nicht in... Das ist, was passiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Okay. Es gibt eine Deadline. Es ist sehr grausam mit den Deadlines, aber es gibt eine Deadline, wobei, wenn du es nicht fertigst, es das Unkomplette ist. Ja. Okay. So, I'm going to out myself. I had a buddy who had like a postage meter and he was like, you know, you know, you can do is you can backdate it. So that'll work within reason.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So you can have the, you know, and I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to send it. But instead of like UPSing it or whatever the department, I'm going to send it. Campus Mail. So now it's going to go to the whatever. And Campus Mail was notoriously like that adds a couple of weeks for things to get places. And so that'll explain why the postage thing was like whatever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Like I'll get away with this. This will be brilliant. And then Campus Mail lost it. Das letzte Buch. Das letzte Buch. Sie haben es verloren. Das letzte Buch. Die einzige Kopie. Es hat nie gewechselt. Und, ja. Und so habe ich gewartet. Ich habe gewartet, um zurückzuhören. Ich habe gewartet, um zurückzuhören. Ich habe gewartet, um zurückzuhören. Ich habe gewartet, um zurückzuhören. Maybe three.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And I finally kind of sheepishly... Oh, I think I got the grade transcript. And there it is. There's the incomplete. And now I don't graduate. I don't have the credit. And I was like, fuck. Now I have to get on the phone and talk to somebody. Now I have to call the professor. With an unbelievable tale. With a ridiculous tale. Now I'm like, whatever. And the professor was...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich dachte mir, ich bin in der Mitte, der nächste Semester zu gradieren. Also habe ich es reprintiert und gesendet. Und es war die Art von Sache, wo er zurückgehen musste und einen zusätzlichen administrativen Schritt machen musste. Er war nicht in einer Hürde, um das zu tun. Aber letztendlich, ja, wurde er fertiggestellt. Ich habe einiges über das gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja. Ja. Und das war, denk an eine Klasse, wo es auch so war, dass es empfohlen wurde, aber nicht benötigt wurde, dass man in Italien lesen kann. Oh mein Gott. Und ich hatte kein Italienisch. Aber ich habe die Klasse gemacht, weil es am Dienstag um zwei Uhr war und das mit dem anderen Ding, was ich mache, passt. Dein Schlafschutz? Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich habe es geschafft. Ich habe es geschafft. Und dann kamst du nach Chicago. Chicago zuerst? Ja, Chicago. Drei Jahre in Chicago. In was? Theater? Theater. Ich war im Theater. Ich war... Gute Stadt, oder? Ja, es war großartig. Ich liebe es. Ja. Ich liebe es. Yeah, it's funny. I went to do all the stuff that you don't go to Chicago to do. I was there, like, trying to do Ibsen. Yeah. Not to yell?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, well, I tried to do that, but they had people to do that at that point. Yeah. And my roommates were all doing like ImprovOlympic and the Second City Program and all of that stuff that you actually do go to Chicago to do. I wasn't doing any of that, but I was around it a lot because I would... But you didn't do any improv?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
No, but I'd sit in the audience and be the one, you know, that would show up for all the student shows. Sure, yeah, because you had friends? Yeah, you had friends and you're the only one there, so you make all the suggestions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
None of the ones that I, like a lot of the people that I knew sort of through that. Yeah. Like Horatio Sanz. Yeah. John Favreau was at IO. That's how I met him. Really? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja. Und ich habe mit einer Mädchen verabredet und wir waren beide hier und er wusste nicht wirklich zu viele Leute und ich wusste nicht zu viele Leute. Also dann haben wir uns durch das getroffen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I didn't. I had three things going for me. I had a friend who said he had a car he could lend me. I had a family friend who lived up in Northridge and said I could sleep in the room behind the garage. And I had another friend who was running a little shoebox theater on Santa Monica Boulevard. Were all those other shoebox theaters?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das ist, wo ich war, ich war auf der Offshoot-Seite des Hudson Theaters. Oh, okay, ja. Und, äh, du weißt, als ich rausgekommen bin, war das Auto ein Lemon, äh, das er mir nicht gekauft hat, er hat es mir eigentlich gekauft. Ähm, und dann lief es nicht. Ja. So it took a while. I had an agent. My agents in Chicago were like, don't do it. You're not ready. And I was like, I'm going. They were right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But there's just no way in. But that's the delusional piece that I think is really good to have. Because I... I somehow believed that I was destined for greatness without having to figure out how it worked or really do all the legwork that it took.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It doesn't ever, I don't think it ever happens. But every once in a while it happens. You get work. Yeah. So you got a new agent and then you started to work? Ja. Ja. Ja. And you can't audition with a one-line bartender part. So they had me audition with a bigger character. And I got that part. And then that was kind of a start. Which movie was that? It was called The Low Life. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
With starring Rory Cochran. Okay. That guy's great. Isn't he amazing? Oh my God. He's freaking amazing. And he's like... Er war der coolste Typ. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich war so, hallo. Und er ist der Typ mit dem gesouped up Mustang. Er hatte einfach alle die coolsten Sachen. Ich habe ihn einmal interviewt und es war intensiv.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Wir waren Kinder. Vor dem Verlust und Verwirrung, wie du weißt, er war in dem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I think this might have been just after that. And then Swingers happens. And that puts you on the map? That puts me next to the map. That puts me close enough to the map that when they spill a cup of coffee on the map and they reach for something to wipe the map up with, I'm there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I came in and auditioned. Yeah. It's, you know, it's a classic thing where Fox didn't want to... They were doing him... You know, he was making them a bazillion dollars. With Beavis? With King of the Hill at that point. So this was like... I think they looked at it like this is his vanity project. It'll keep him happy. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But, you know, and they assumed that he's going to cast like a movie star and do the thing. And he had no interest in doing that. So by the time... Er hat sie endlich aufgeworfen und sie haben gesagt, fuck it, wir haben es nicht mehr geholfen. Nehmt euren stupiden kleinen Vanity King und macht es, was ihr wollt. Ich glaube, ich war der Einzige, der noch nicht für ihn ausgestattet war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und ich habe es auf den Tag ausgestattet. Und ich habe es verstanden. Ich habe seine Vision verstanden. Es war ein guter Fit. Sein Gefühl von Humor lief mit meinem. Ja. Ich meine, seines ist besser als meines, aber ich konnte es sehen. Ja. Und dann ist es einfach so, dass der Rest Geschichte ist. Und einige davon, es ist so, es ist so, wie ich Swingers gemacht habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das war kinderlich einer meiner einzigen Kredite. Ich hatte Swingers gemacht und ich hatte in diesem independenten Film gemacht, der noch nicht rausgekommen ist. Ja. Das eigentlich, denke ich, würde nicht wirklich rauskommen, aber niemand wusste das noch. Das war die Lowlife? It was after, it was called The Two Ninas, I think. It never came out?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Maybe it went to video, I think maybe it did like a day at the Angelica or something, you know, it was like one of those. But we didn't know, you know, you don't know that. Und ich habe gesagt, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
DVD und Kabel, wie Filme Wall-to-Wall auf Comedy Central, war nicht eine Sache. Also wenn du, weißt du, wenn dein Film in der Boxoffice getankt wurde, war es fertig. Und Office Space war einer der ersten Filme, wo sie plötzlich diesen anderen Revenue-Stream für es hatten, was Comedy Central und Home Video war. Und es hat wirklich ein bisschen Feuer und kam lebendig. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I had precursors like Jack Lemmon in the Apartment, I remember, was something that I watched. It existed, kind of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, it had that like despair, the despondency piece to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I think, you know, it connected. I didn't realize this till years later. I think a lot of Office Space, it's a movie about depression. Yeah, it kind of is, right? You know, there's a piece of it that's like, how do you climb out of depression? Yeah. And I think that just people related to that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
To the existential despair of just having to work. Of what am I doing? Yeah. Just like, what is, you know, what is my life? Yeah. Is this all there is? Were you feeling that at the time? I've always had a... You know, at the time I'd just been cast in a studio movie, so I was kind of high-flying. But, yeah, it's, like, I'm not a guy that verges on the manic. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I'm not a guy that verges on the anxious. Yeah. I'm a guy that verges on the depressed. Oh, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I could, I mean, I knew that in the very beginning because you're like, you were saying, I'm sitting in the trailer and I'm going, what's going on? Where are we doing? What's taking so long? Yeah, yeah. You know, that's not me. I just lay down and take a nap.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Can you give me like a seven minute... When you're seven away, come and get me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I mean, it's such a, yeah, you know, it's like there are huge jumps, but you need so many of the fucking things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
dass ich einen oder anderen nicht machen konnte. Vorher, als ich Ibsen in Chicago machte, war ich für all die Unter-5-Linen-Sitcoms. Und ich bekam die Note, er kann nicht Comedy machen, er weiß nicht, was Comedy ist. Und dann, nach Office Space und ein paar Sitcoms, sagten sie, er ist ein Halbzeitlehrer. Ja. Es ist ein Agent, der das sagt. Es ist wie, dass die Leute sagen, dass es mein Agent ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und dann fühlt mein Agent irgendwie, dass das etwas ist, das mir zu mir beizutragen sollte. Aber es ist interessant, weil du, ich meine, ich denke, ich fühle mich, als wäre du ein solcher Typ.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, or I didn't know what to do with me either. They did know what to do with me. And I said no to a lot of it. Because I kind of had this idea that once you did something, you weren't supposed to go do it again. Go do something completely different now. And that's not... That's not where the opportunities generally lie. They generally want you to go do something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Here's an opportunity to do something bigger of the thing that you just did. Yeah. And I didn't ever want to do that. Yeah. But you keep working. Yeah, I keep working.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
That's another one. It's funny. It's like Loudermilk. had a huge January this year on Netflix. We stopped shooting Loudermilk before the pandemic. Yeah. So that we did three seasons of that in sort of isolation for AT&T. And it aired on a channel, you know, deep in the 200s on DirecTV that you had to have the dish.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So it's lost. It's lost. Yeah. And it's the, my dad, my mom had to go watch those episodes at a neighbor's because my dad was like, we're not paying for that. So it was hard to find. I wouldn't pay for it either. And then Netflix picked it up? Netflix picked it up, aired it in January. Everybody discovered it. It had an amazing moment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
There's that moment where you're like, let's get the band back together and make more. I don't know if that's going to happen. It's probably not going to happen, but I'd love it if it did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, Sober Guy, it's kind of... Cranky Sober Guy. Cranky Sober Guy, it's basically a recovery group.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I mean, there's the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The first meeting I went to was in Vancouver. I thought it was going to be... Did you shoot up there? Yeah, we shot it up there. And I thought it was going to be one of those meetings where it's like 50 people in a room and there's coffee at the back and I'd sit in the back row and listen to some stuff. You went to a little one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I got there and it's like seven people sitting around a table. Yeah. So I kind of had to talk, you know, and people are laying their shit out there. And I was really grateful for it because as I was going around, I was like, okay, I kind of can't lie. I'm going to cop to the fact of like I'm doing a TV show and I'm doing some research and that's why I'm here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And the hilarious thing is they're like, sure you are. You know, like I left there with the sponsor anyway. And the literature, they're like, uh-huh, TV show. Yeah, sure you are. Keep coming back. Yeah, exactly. It works for you. But I think the thing that I took away from it was, as it was going around, I was like, oh, this is sacred. You know? Right. Like, this is important. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
We can't make fun of this. Like we can make fun of this with love. Right. But I have... This is people's lives.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
At stake here. Yeah, right. And so... I gotta treat it like that. Yeah. You know. And that's... Das ist wie, ich würde, für die Zeit, dass wir, ich würde, ich würde, ich würde sauber sein, während wir das gefangen haben, wie für die drei Monate, die. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Und war es das, was du fühlst? Ich denke, es war nur das, was ich fühlte, als ob ich das verdiene.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber was, aber trinkst du genug, um Alkohol zu verpassen? You know, oddly enough, as I used to drink a lot more and then that, doing that, I wouldn't say that I don't drink, because I do, but it just changed my relationship to it. I was like, oh, I don't actually need this and I feel healthier without it. Right. And Ja, und ich brauche es nicht. Es funktioniert. Es funktioniert, weißt du.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und dann habe ich es noch, ich habe es noch getrunken, aber ich habe noch einen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I know she talked to you about this, I listened to it. Yeah, that movie, you know, I was up there to be with her. Sie hatten diese Partie, sie haben es nicht gedreht. Sie hat mich gefragt, ob ich es machen würde, nur weil es ein bisschen intim war. Ja. Und sie war so, ich möchte nicht, wenn ich das nicht tun muss, mit einem kompletten Stranger oder D-Player, den sie hier einbringen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Würdest du das mit mir machen? Ja, Touchy Feely ist der Film. Touchy Feely. Und ich sagte, ja, sicher. I think Lynn was so cryptic in describing what it was that I kind of went off of my own idea with what it was and I don't think it matched at all what it was or supposed to be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So there is something that's kind of mysterious and cryptic about it that I still don't necessarily entirely know that I understand it, but I picked up I did pick up that it was deeply personal to her. Yeah. And that it was big and that it was important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. So I guess like we did that. Yeah. Do you direct? I don't. Du wolltest es niemals wieder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich dachte, ich wollte es, bis ich bemerkt habe, dass es meistens die Teil, all die Teile, die, wie ich dachte, es war einfach so, es ist wie ein Schauspieler, außer du hast mehr Macht. Und dann ist es so, nein, es ist wie all das andere, was ich nicht machen will.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But not be overbearing. There's a little bit of... Because if what you want is a really intimate thing to really happen, you also have to kind of have the humanity and have a safe enough container and people have to trust you enough to... go there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And she, like, she had that. Yeah. She was, Jay Roach, I worked with Jay Roach in a kind of, you know, I was picking his brain and he said something, he says, I always try to just, I'm the priest of the story. And Lynn was like, Yeah. Right. So it's real collaboration. Yeah. And that doesn't happen often. Nein, und sie wollte nicht nur mit deinem Talent zusammenarbeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Sie wollte, dass ihre Seele mit deiner Seele zusammenarbeitet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah. It was pretty good? Yeah, it was immersive. I remember saying to Damien at one point, when I was a kid and I imagined being an actor, this is what I thought it was going to be like. I thought I was going to become something and there's going to be 360 degrees of reality all around me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then you get a job as an actor and you realize, oh no, I'm standing on a cheap, flimsy set that's maybe six feet, it goes two feet out of frame. You're surrounded by people. Yeah, and you have to kind of pretend all that shit's there. Band of Brothers was one where you didn't have to pretend anything was there, because everything was there, except the bullets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
That must have been pretty thrilling. Yeah, it was amazing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I don't even know. Honestly, Ro and I wrote a pilot. Um, for a show. And we're like. For the two of you? It's for her. We wrote it for her. I, I would, I think, uh, you know, I would stay on as a producer writer. Um, but we're like baby writers. Yeah. Um. Have you taken it out there? Not yet. We've, uh, it's kind of gone to like friends and family first. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Uh, because I think, uh, you know, we have, we have that kind of, uh, courtesy. We can, we can get some courtesy reads that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, and people you respect and you don't have to, and not, you know. Yeah. And then, like we're figuring out kind of what we're going to try and do. For Netflix or something? Not even, like, who knows.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I don't think anybody does. And I... and I know a lot of people are despondent about that, like, we don't know how it works. I kind of feel like, oh, awesome, so you don't know either? That's amazing, because I just got here. I don't know anything, and all you, you know, everyone who's been doing it for 30 years, you're saying you don't know either, so great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I have the same thing. You can't... It would be... There would be so much emotional energy. I could spend four hours trying to figure out which of these things I can get rid of and I'd have to relive, like, all... Where it came from? Yeah, where it came from and what it's holding and all of that shit. And then at the end of the day, I would have just... I wouldn't get rid of any of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I would have just, like, maybe grouped it differently. Sure, yeah, made a pile.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Nein, ich habe, äh, mein Kloset ist voll von, äh, Schuhen, die ich geschenkt habe. Ja. Als ich Jack Burger auf Sex in the City gespielt habe. Richtig. Und so war das ein Zeitpunkt von... Von Fashion Designern. Von Fashion Designern. Gute Scheiße. Ja, wie, du weißt, ich meine, es ist 20 Jahre alt, aber ich habe keine Schuhe in 20 Jahren gekauft, weil... Wann trägst du sie an?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und ich kann nichts als schönes, was das 20 Jahre alt war. But if you wear this stuff. I can, but I can't spend that money on that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Which I actually don't care. I mean, hey, I don't care. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Hattest du jemals das Gefühl, dass du auf dem Präzis warst, diesen Job zu haben? Ich fühlte, als wäre ich auf dem Präzis, wenn ich... Wenn ich den nächsten Niveau des Start-Ups machen wollte, musste ich lernen, wie man das macht, weil es damit zusammenhängt. Richtig. But I never, yeah, and I hated it then. I thought it was dumb then. And I ultimately couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, es war so 2000. Welcher Film? Es war für Band of Brothers. Oh ja, richtig. Es war wie in Band of Brothers und es war wie die Awards-Saison. Ja. Du sagst all das und so. Und ja, es war nur einer dieser Dinge. Nun, du musst das haben. Ja. Und du musst das haben und du musst das haben. Und... Und das ist großartig.