Robert Barnes
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So he's, you know, basically your classic, nice, naive, idealistic American started out as a young libertarian. Roger Ver became known before he's known as Bitcoin Jesus. He was just a young libertarian running for office who was critical of politicians and was particularly critical of high ranking personnel involved in the Waco issues.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And so he was critical of all of that, said our government's out of control. We need to get it into balance. He was warning about things that we now all know about 20 years, but he was doing it 20 years earlier. And so Roger Ver comes out, publicly criticizes it, exposes the fraud that the government was engaged in, the bad conduct at Waco and some other places and Ruby Ridge.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And all of a sudden, he's subject to a very rare federal prosecution. He was prosecuted for not getting the right permit for selling fireworks on eBay, fireworks. This guy served 10 months in federal prison over registering fireworks. One of the only prosecutions of that kind ever heard. That educated him.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
He got into Bitcoin, realized Bitcoin could, you know, totally revolutionize the world for financial freedom, but realized that the U.S.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
government could come after him if he was critical about how they were trying to, the Intel community particularly, co-opt Bitcoin for its use and not for the use of people who want to have individual financial freedom challenging central planners and central banks. Wrote a book called Hijacking Bitcoin. During this time period, he realized, okay, I'm at risk if I stay in the U.S.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
I've already experienced this as a young libertarian, as a 21-year-old. Got to serve time in federal prison over fireworks. So I'm not going to wait around to see what the CIA has in store for me if I stay a U.S. citizen. So he left the U.S., gave up his U.S. citizenship, became a citizen of St. Kitts. did it all legally with the right process. And then he publishes Bitcoin, hijacking Bitcoin.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
He'd been talking about it for years, about how the various intelligence communities around the world are trying to suppress our opportunity of ordinary people to have financial freedom. And all of a sudden, two weeks after that book is published, he is suddenly indicted. And an indictment is later unsealed. He's arrested. He's being held with extradition in Spain.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
He was originally jailed in the same place they jailed John McAfee, also on tax charges. And he ended up dead in Spain. So he does get bail pending the challenge of the extradition. And he filed a motion to dismiss that revealed extraordinary government malfeasance and misconduct in his case.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So I was a suspect of his case from day one because I was like, why are they targeting this guy that's a high profile political critic over an eclectic tax theory? I do a lot of criminal tax law. They're trying to take criminal tax cases now and use them to create new tax law. For example, the exit tax has always been considered constitutionally questionable.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
It says if you give up your citizenship, suddenly all your property gets treated as income. That's not a legally credible approach. And yet he still went forward and paid all that and did all that, and they just decided to retroactively prosecute him for money he'd made outside the United States while he was not a U.S. citizen from non-U.S. sources.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
It's never been done in American history, the prosecution of Roger Ver. The theory that you can use an exit tax to criminally prosecute someone when the tax itself is likely unconstitutional and they want to impose a national property tax on us. I mean, Warren is smart. She calls it a wealth tax. It's a property tax. That's unconstitutional.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
We require apportionment for direct taxes unless it's an income tax in America. And property taxes by the Supreme Court's ruling are excluded from the definition of income. So they're trying to redefine the word income. They're trying to target this high-profile political critic of their system. They're trying to create novel interpretation of tax law.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And they're all doing this by trying to imprison him for 109 years. That's what he's looking at. Roger Ver is looking at 109 years for filing tax returns, according to what his own accountants and attorneys told him to. And it turned out the government lied. Our own U.S.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
attorneys lied to the Spanish courts and now may be under criminal investigation in Spain based on this motion to dismiss that Roger Ver just filed. That is a legal team just filed. And what because what it revealed was that the they knew that his own attorneys had told him to file the way he filed.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And they lied to the Spanish courts and said, oh, no, his attorneys told him to do the exact opposite of what he did. So they knew they were lying because they had actually broken attorney-client privilege. This case went all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. They stole a bunch of his attorney-client file records. They executed a search warrant, unheard of also, in the tax arena.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
You're supposed to have attorney-client privilege protection. They got all of his information. But what it showed was he had followed their advice all the way through. He said, whatever we do, I want to make sure I do it correctly. Because I know how the government harasses people that are going to be critical.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about how they're trying to abuse the power and control of Bitcoin or the benefit of central planners and intelligence agencies and not ordinary people. And that's why he's being targeted. And he's been quiet until he did an interview with Tucker Carlson that was published yesterday.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And credit to him, there's a bunch of people in the Bitcoin space that have been very, I've been very concerned about his case from day one. Same with Ross Ulbricht, the buddy of mine was his, that was the Silk Road case. Joshua Dratel was a buddy of mine, his lawyer, who documented all kinds of government misconduct. In that case, it turned out IRS agents were stealing money.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And yet these are the people that prosecuted him. So it's a terrifying case. It's another political case. And I'm trying to get it on the radar of the Trump world because Roger Ver is a guy that we cannot afford to be prosecuted if we're serious about protecting Bitcoin and if we're serious about depoliticizing the Department of Justice.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Well, I'm going to bring Aaron Day in here in a minute to talk about the topic of Bitcoin more generally and sort of contextualize this for us. Caleb, you put up a couple of tweets. I think one was Aaron, maybe both were Aaron's. We couldn't read them. Could you maybe read them to us?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And there was another one also before you put, yeah.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Got it. And again, before we go to break here, Robert, how do you understand Bitcoin generally? Are you sort of an advocate? Do you see it as something challenging central banks? How do you understand it? And then I'll let Aaron explain more to us when he gets in here after the break.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So I'm definitely more aligned with Roger's perspective on Bitcoin. I was a big believer in Satoshi's initial proposal. I think he's a genius, whoever he was. His goal was, how do we give people the tools and power? Exactly, that's correct.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
To give people the individual tools and techniques to challenge the state and be independent and separate from the state, whether it's central banks or central planners. And I mean, like what Bitcoin can do in places like Africa and other places is extraordinary. And we've seen it. We've seen it grow dramatically just since Trump got elected. It's, you know, Bitcoin is over 100,000 thereabouts.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So I think it has the potential that Roger identifies. But it depends on people exercising that potential to give it that fulfillment. Otherwise, the intelligence apparatus and the rest will co-opt it, try to make it into a central bank digital currency. And then we get a social credit score that makes China's look like a walk in the park.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
All right, we will get more into that after the break with Aaron Day. Again, entrepreneur, investor, advisor with three decades of experience across e-commerce, healthcare, blockchain, AI, clean technologies. He's a Duke and Harvard graduate. He is the author of The Final Countdown, Crypto, Gold, Silver, and People's Last Stand Against Tyranny by Central Bank Digital Currencies.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
His work has been featured in Forbes, Wall Street Journal, Fox News. You can find out more at daylightfreedom.org and or follow him on X, Aaron Day, Aaron with two A's, A as it sounds, and Aaron Robert, of course, at Barnes underscore law on X and freerogernow.org to get into that story a bit more. Daylightfreedom.org is Aaron's site again. And we'll be back with both of them after this.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So we, Robert was talking about history.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Yeah. Oh, I missed the day. I missed the R there. I beg your pardon. That is my, um, must be a little tiny, tiny sliver of dyslexia that I have because I would not have seen that R had you not be able to bring my attention to it. So the X is Aaron R. Day. I beg your pardon. Uh, and, uh,
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Aaron, Robert was talking about his perspective on Bitcoin, and it's somewhat of a legal perspective, particularly as it pertains to Roger Ver. Tell us why this is such a challenge to central bank, why they went after Roger Ver, and help us understand Bitcoin a bit more generally, if you could.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And one of the areas I get confused about Bitcoin is Bitcoin versus blockchain. Help us understand, is it that Bitcoin uses blockchain? How do we understand these things?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Do you worry that Google's new Tritium supercomputer is going to sort of crash this whole system? Have you thought about that? I'll ask you the same thing, Robert, after Aaron answers.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Yeah, it's fascinating how the Bitcoin community keeps trying to collectively and aggregately problem solve. Like, I mean, what Roger Ver's vision was, what Satoshi's vision appeared to be, was Bitcoin is a tool to re-democratize our economy and restore power in the individual away from central planners or central banks or any of the others.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And what's fascinating is whenever a problem has arisen, the community will collectively and aggregately get together and try to solve that problem. And it's this constant experiment in human democracy that the Bitcoin universe continues to utilize. And so I think that's one of the benefits of it is its potential.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
But its potential can be rerouted and derailed if the central planners have their way.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
But it's really interesting. I'm trying to reason my way through this. Money, gold has some inherent value. People like wearing it. Humans, you know, give it a special meaning. Money is a unit of barter. And there are markets of money. We call those currency markets. And it seems to run reasonably well, though those too can go goofy. What's going to happen when there are markets in Bitcoin?
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That's sort of what you're implying, that all these different Bitcoins are solving the problem of supercomputing in their own way. Isn't this going to encourage a marketplace and then shorting and then options? And God knows what other sort of instruments will get applied to them.
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Barnes underscore law on X and look for Barnes and wait, let me get their specific sub stack. VivaBarnesLaw.locals.com. As I said, Robert is a constitutional criminal tax and civil rights attorney. Robert, welcome back to the program. There they are. Look at that. What is Viva doing in that picture? I don't know. But how do you deal with that expatriate all day long, my friend?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And Aaron, let's switch over to Roger Ver. What are your feelings about what's going on with him and what's likely to happen? And what are the strategies to get the attention for a pardon?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Define what you mean by that. Define what you mean by central bank digital currency. What does that mean?
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Haven't we seen evidence of something at least close to that, if not specifically that, in Canada?
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And we're going to talk about January 6th and presidential pardons and waiting to hear from Aaron Day, who's scheduled to be with us as well. He's an experienced entrepreneur and he is a Bitcoin expert. He's also a Brownstone author. He's author of The Final Countdown, Crypto, Gold, Silver, and The People's Last Stand Against Tyranny by Central Bank Digital Currencies. So...
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And CBDC, just in case you guys, you know, hold on a second. Central Bank Digital Currency is CBDC. So when you hear Aaron use this shorthand, understand that's what he's talking about. Robert, you were shaking your head vigorously about Canada, now U.S. Tell us your opinion.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Yeah, I mean, Mark Anderson was just talking about it with Joe Rogan, which is that a lot, I mean, I represent other clients that have been debanked that, you know, for political reasons.
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I mean, people had made banks hundreds of millions of dollars and then the bank decided to shut them down because they didn't like his politics because a couple of the executives there didn't like his politics because they got caught up in the Michael Brown fever around St. Louis.
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Shut him down? What does that mean? Hang on, what does shut him down mean? Not wanting to do business with them? I mean, banks are at their liberty to do that. What do you mean shut him down?
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At multiple levels. So essentially he had a wide range of contracts that had tax benefits and triggers and business partners, including banks. They tried to shut down those partnerships. Then they tried to shut down the hotel project that he was working with them on. And they tried to stick him with the whole bill.
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Yeah, I think he was out doing some sort of thing a couple of years ago, and he just kept that photo in there. But he's the maestro of various families. I mean, I think the other day he was getting a snake out of some grocery store parking lot, and his son wanted to play with the snake, you know, to figure out whether it was venomous or not. So Viva's always a lot of fun.
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And the long and short of it is that the net effect of them excluding him from the financial process that was a critical component of those tax-funded, bank-financed real estate projects is that he went from being worth a lot of money to being at risk of bankruptcy. All because they didn't like his political viewpoints.
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And in fact, what Mark Anderson told Joe Rogan is that a bunch of people in the tech space like the people in the crypto space. The Winklevoss twins have been very vocal about this. Others have been targeted by the Biden administration for various forms of political harassment and retaliation. Maybe it's an SEC. Elon Musk has been subject to this all over the place. Maybe it's an SEC inquiry.
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Maybe it's an EEOC inquiry. Maybe it's an IRS inquiry. But the IRS is the best one because they have the greatest power of all of them. And that's why they're using the IRS to go after people like Roger Ver.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
They want something that will intimidate and shut up critics and dissidents from preventing this rollout of a central bank digital currency for which an independent Bitcoin is the best independent challenge to that central bank digital currency power. That's why they're obsessed with suppressing anybody who's advocating for it.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Aaron, please pick up that baton.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
And Andreessen has done a great job of raising awareness about things that a lot of people, including myself, not aware of. His reading list, I go to constantly. And if he reads it, I try to read it. But this conversation, and by the way, this conversation leads me to believe that we have an administration that does not like freedom. Freedom is being, as you say, choked on every front.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
But I'll ask this of Aaron. When I hear this conversation today, It makes me want to buy gold. That's sort of where my head goes. Talk me out of that. Should I be buying Bitcoin or some other weird, distant, quiet Bitcoin that people don't know about? I mean, what should an average person do? Protect themselves.
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So, I guess we should start with January 6th and what some of the excesses that were... My constant refrain, I must say, the topics we're going to get into today, I'm a complete dilettante. However... The constant thought bubble over my head is, what has happened to us? What happened here? What went on? What did people think they were doing? What, in fact, were they doing?
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Is that GoldLink coin available yet?
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So it's almost like on one end, there is something that has a basis in precious metal, and the other, there is Dogecoin that has a basis in nothing.
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Robert, go ahead.
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That's a fair characterization. But I think it all comes back to individual empowerment. And what you're talking about, this administration just waged war on liberty across the board, whether it was financial liberty, food liberty, going after Amish farmers, political liberty in terms of censorship.
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Robert, back to my original question. When you and I were talking about January 6th, what happened to us? What is going on? Did something infect us? Some outside influence get involved with it? I mean, what happened here?
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It was very interesting. Like, I had my own theory because of the experiences I've had. I've represented a lot of these folks, like Amos Miller, the Amish farmer, and figuring out why are they harassing a guy that's got the best food safety record of anywhere. Which reminds me, by the way, Santa's favorite milk is Amos Miller's milk, Amish farmer's milk. I can personally vouch for that.
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I'm going to have to sneak some stuff, sneak that over to let you sample some, Dr. Drew. It is the best milk I've ever had.
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I need Santa's favorite milk. Susan, come on now.
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Exactly. But it's systemic. But what's interesting is Mike Benz's theory was what happened was the entire national security apparatus went from we need to monitor for terrorism to we need to monitor for Trumpism. And they decided that that was the greatest threat.
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And that democracy changed from individual rights, individual liberties, our founders' definition of it, to what do the institutions say? What is the approved version?
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Institutions of democracy. Exactly. Institution of democracy, yeah.
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It became bureaucracy, as Elon has been pointing out. And they said anything that's a threat to bureaucracy is a threat to democracy, which we must suppress. I've called it like the opposite of Bill Gates' dystopian control grid, where you got big tech and big food and big media and big pharma that he has various ties to, that the Amish are exempt from because they choose to opt out from that.
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They are so upset about people wanting to get out of that control grid, that they engaged in every weaponization of our legal and financial and political systems to punish anybody who challenged it. And probably one of the biggest, and from their perspective, highest profile critics was Roger Verrer. I mean, he's a guy who's known as Bitcoin Jesus. I mean, literally.
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First up, Robert Barnes rejoins us. Of course, he is the Barnes of vivabarneslaw.locals.com with our friend Viva Fry. And he has represented many high-profile cases currently fighting the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture over the harassment of Amish farmer Amos Miller, which we have discussed in the past.
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So that was why he was going to be at the top of that list to put in prison for life for opening his mouth.
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Caleb, what did you throw up there? And I'll let Aaron, you comment in just a second. But Caleb, you put something up on the screen. Is that something we should be aware of?
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And let's just start with January 6th. And you make the case to me whether there should be pardons for everybody.
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My view is there should be because our Justice Department got so politically weaponized. When they were prosecuting treating, say, grandmas that took what I called an unauthorized tour of the Capitol as being the same as somebody who, say, went in there with any kind of weapon or did something, those are two radically different people. And yet they treated them all equally.
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What do we want people to do? And I guess I will ask that of each of you. Robert, I'll ask you first. What should people be doing both to help sort of, I imagine, Robert, you're more concerned, as am I, with reestablishing the Bill of Rights, frankly, and sort of buttressing it in some way.
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And then I'm guessing, Aaron, my question to you would be more on the zone of how do we protect ourselves from what you think is coming. But Robert first.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's critical. I like to say that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people he doesn't exist. The greatest trick the system ever pulled is convincing people that you cannot resist.
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And I think that a lot of what we've seen the last five years is trying to dissuade people from resisting, to dissuade people from stepping in front of that tank in Tiananmen Square.
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Say, think twice about that, or you may end up like Roger Ver in prison for 109 years for doing nothing more than following your lawyer's and accountant's advice to pay taxes to a country you are no longer even citizen of. So that, I think, is the message that they're trying to send. And so the counter has to be we have to stay self-educated, stay involved, stay active, stay connected.
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Did this election prove the capacity to override all kinds of censorship and bias and support people like Roger Ver, like Ross Ulbrich, these other cases? I'm encouraging President Trump, open up a whole lawfare group inside the White House. You know, pardon people every week to highlight this case, how it went AWOL. How did this case go AWOL?
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What's wrong with our criminal and civil justice system that, as we've talked about, many Americans, a majority, have lost faith in? We got to restore faith and confidence in the greatest American, greatest legal system ever produced. And that can be done by making sure people are not politically prosecuted like Roger Ver is currently being Bitcoin Jesus being crucified by this administration.
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Other than you listening to you and Viva, is there someplace else in specific people should send their energy?
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Yeah, so there's a group of people that support Roger that have started the freerogernow.org site, and it has a petition on it that people can sign, they can support. It's also a one-stop shop where they can get all the information. So the legal documents are all put up there. They can read it for themselves, make their own determination, see whether what I'm saying is right or wrong.
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They can see it right there in the affidavits, the declarations, sworn testimony, lawyers, documents, exhibits, you name it. All that's going to be available and constantly uploaded online. at Free Roger now, according to the people that I know that are a part of that site. Because we understand collectively, this is a very important case for all of our freedoms.
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And they are eager to prosecute. The other thing I have is how they were prosecuted. They were not prosecuted in their hometowns. They were prosecuted in D.C. I think that undermines the vicinage principle of our Constitution, which is that you're supposed to be prosecuted in your home community. That's how the vicinage and venue provisions have been historically interpreted.
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And Aaron, feel free to pile on and also add in what we do to protect ourselves, if you don't mind.
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Xeno.org. That's where you buy it? Yep. That's where you buy it.
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There it is. Okay, it comes right up. Okay. Well, I'm going to start fast. Oh, you get a weird, oh boy, it's got a weird front page, but okay. Z-A-N-O, right? Z-A-N-O, correct. I got redirected to Zano.com. Isn't that interesting? So it won't let me go to Zano.org. Hold on here. Let's make sure I can get in there.
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My computer is having trouble. It will not go in. It went to xano.com, which is interesting, right? Is somebody blocking this maybe or... Oh, that's it. That's the site. Did you get in? Yeah, I got in. Oh, Z. I'm sorry. I put X-A-N-O. I beg your pardon. Z-A-N-O. Beg your pardon. Okay, fine. Z-A-N-O.
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Perfect. All right. Paranoid. Paranoid much? There it is. Confirmation bias. Expecting trouble. Finding it. Okay. So listen, I really appreciate you guys being here and explaining this to us and sounding the alarm where we can. freerogernow.org, where both these guys are sending you, as well as zano.org, Z-A-N-O, not X like me. Speaking of X, Aaron R. Day is where you can follow Aaron.
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But they're not being enforced. And here, I mean, imagine if all of Obama's supporters or Kamala Harris supporters were all prosecuted in, say, a small Republican county in East Texas that voted 94% for Trump. That's equivalent. That's what's happening to all the January 6th defendants. The jury, the grand jury, is partial, prejudicial. The jury pool itself is very partial and prejudicial.
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And then Barnes underscore law on X for Robert Barnes. And don't forget the Viva Barnes show. Is that also streamed live?
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Yeah, we do it every Sunday at usually 6 p.m. Eastern time. We do it live. People hop in, have conversations. We've discussed this case and others, and it's fascinating. And Viva has the same curiosity about trying to figure out Bitcoin that you do. But he has recently tasted Amos Miller's fresh milk, and he agreed with me. He's not even a milk fan.
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And he's like, that's the best milk I've ever had. So just a constant- So I gotta buy some Zano.
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I gotta buy some Zano. How do you buy that milk? Oh, how do you buy the milk? Good question.
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Oh, Amos Miller Organic Farm dot com. Amos Miller Organic Farm. That's where he doesn't operate it because the Amish don't do that. Someone else does it for him. But you can get all bunch right now. You can still get it. The government's still trying to shut him down so that, you know, you don't know how long it'll be available. So while you can still get it, still get it.
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So I got to buy some Zano. I got to buy some Amos Miller milk.
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I want to get that gold based crypto when it comes out in the new year. All right, gentlemen, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it. It's been very interesting. This is all kind of, as I told you at the beginning, Aaron, you weren't quite in here yet.
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I was telling Robert, this is not an area I beg ignorance, but you guys did a good job of surveying the topic and helping me understand it better. And I'm sure other people appreciate that as well. Thank you, gentlemen.
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Read the book, as Aaron pointed out. That's always good advice. And as I say, look at Marc Andreessen's reading recommendations. Just what he's reading now is what... I read a great book on Lenin. I read a great book on the French Revolution. I'm reading a book on true believers that I think came from him. But... Lots more to go for this week. Caleb, I want to put up the guest for tomorrow.
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We're going to be at 11 a.m. Very special show with Matthias Desmond, 11 a.m. Pacific. Matthias Desmond and Aaron Cariotti. Susan heard them speak together at the Brownstone Institute, and she cannot get over it. So we'll try to recreate the magic. Justin Hart in here, Seth Dillon, Gad Saad on the 18th.
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I can't read any of the other stuff, Susan, because there's a camera left over from your show in front of everything. Is there anything you can read from there?
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And the Jeff Dye, we're going to be in Florida on that day. So we have to move that around yet again.
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Yeah. So maybe we'll be in New York. Maybe we can meet him there. I don't know. We'll figure something out. In any event, we appreciate you all being here. We appreciate it. Well, he, I think he's the one that bagged out at the other one. The last, the latest one. Very interesting. We appreciate it. Again, other topics you want to hear us discuss, dr.com slash contact.
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Susan and Emily and Caleb pour through that. So send them.
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The judges feel like they were personally attacked on January 6th. So honestly, they all should have disqualified themselves. Let a judge who doesn't feel personally attacked by January 6th adjudicate the various motions. Make sure you have honesty in the discovery process. People aren't targeted for political reasons. All of those rules were violated.
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So I have questions about a lot of the substantive prosecutions, but we have such discrepancy. In other words, for example, all kinds of people have done all kinds of things at the Capitol over the years.
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It's not like they went and tried to blow it up like some Puerto Rican activists tried to do, some other activists have tried to do over the years, who were pardoned, by the way, by either Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. You know, everybody who ran away from the draft was pardoned right away on day one by Jimmy Carter.
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And I think President Trump should just pardon all the January 6th defendants because so many of them were subject to politically motivated prosecutions.
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The ability to filter out which ones are the most egregious versus the least when they all violated core principles of constitutional liberty and were all targeted for politically motivated reasons leads me to believe the best way for him to restore confidence in the American people in our justice system is mass pardons of anybody who is targeted for political reasons.
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And that includes Julian Assange, Ed Snowden. That includes, in my view, Roger Ver. That includes other people that Ross Ulbricht. Some of these Trump has made public promises about. Some he hasn't yet commented on. But all of these are people that were targeted for political reasons. And if for no other reason just to restore confidence in the American people and around the world.
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That our justice system is supposed to be the stellar example of apolitical, nonpolitical, nonprejudicial, nonpartisan justice. We need mass pardons of everybody whose case has the taint of politics surrounding it.
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So I want to dial back. There's a lot in what you said there, and I sort of want to parse out a lot of it. One was you made an equivalency, you drew an equivalency between draft evaders in the 70s and January 6thers. If somebody were going to push back on that equivalency, what would they push back on? Is it just that you're saying the pardon is similar?
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Or are you saying people in a mass sort of civil disobedient action should all be treated the same in relation to that civil disobediency, provided that it's justified in some way?
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It's both. It's both that a lot of the people were targeted for politically motivated reasons, but also this was a very political action that just got, you know, slightly out of, I mean, it got out of hand without question. But the idea that we're going to put everybody, lock about people up for longer than rapists get? than some murderers get.
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We have the lady in Colorado who's doing like nine years over what she thought was blowing the whistle on election issues. So we need to restore confidence in our legal system. And it's both the substance of how these people ended up being prosecuted, but also the procedures that went through it. So there are a lot of the procedures violated core constitutional principles.
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And if nothing more, just to restore confidence in our constitutional system of justice. What you don't want is like what's happening in Syria right now, where they went into the prisons and they just released everybody because they so distrusted the Assad government. They assumed everybody in there could be in there for bogus reasons.
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Unfortunately, they're mixing in political prisoners with rapists and murderers and pedophiles and other very dangerous people. And here we can just distinguish people that were prosecuted for political reasons or the nature of their prosecution violated core constitutional liberties. These are the ones that should be the focal point. And that includes the January 6th defendants.
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I would go back and pardon people like Julian Assange and Ed Snowden because these – I think anybody knows a whistleblower. The Obama administration targeted a lot of whistleblowers. All of these people should be pardoned. And then everybody in the Bitcoin space that they've been harassing like crazy, including Roger Ver, famously known as Bitcoin Jesus, as just one of those illustrative examples.
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He's the one right up, but Ross Ulbricht is still in prison. President Trump has promised to commute his sentence because of deep issues about how crypto was targeted and how constitutional rights or civil rights are often violated in the way they were prosecuted.
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I want to get into Roger Ver in a second, but I still am sort of struggling with so many of the things on the January 6th front. You mentioned one of the whistleblowers that's in there for nine years where she perceived herself to be a whistleblower. Do we need to spend more work uncovering inconsistencies in the 2016 elections? And is that a necessary element in carrying out these forgivenesses?
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He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.
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Or is it just going to proceed no matter what? Because there's a lot of mind reading going on, on all sides. I would imagine most of the people on January 6th thought they were acknowledging something happened in the election that they felt needed to be righted, so to speak. And they were demonstrating to that effect.
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On behalf of the January 6th committee, these were people that wouldn't, as far as they were concerned, these were people that wouldn't accept any election results and just were going in there to try to express their discontent and overthrow a government without any weapons, interestingly. I don't know how you do that in the most powerful nation in the world, but okay.
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The point is, this is all mind reading. We need to do something from an evidentiary standpoint to get out of that soup.
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I think that's the utility of making it universal. Because all the January 6th defendants were ultimately prosecuted in D.C., and I have had problems with that about the judge's bias, the prosecutor's bias, the grand jury's bias, and the jury's bias. I think that fact alone is sufficient. We know the cases were politically motivated. We know the discrepancy.
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I mean, all these people that went in on the Capitol had seen the Summer of Love, which where the protests were celebrated as discrepancies. you know, mostly peaceful protest while the fires lit up behind. They didn't light anything on fire. Most of them stayed in between the lines when they're walking around the Capitol.
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So these were not the people to be so harshly prosecuted, treated worse than, say, the Puerto Rican rebels that tried to take over the Capitol with arms who Bill Clinton pardoned. So or some of the people that committed violent acts with Weather Underground that President Carter pardoned.
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So this is just when you have politically motivated cases that lead to doubts in the American public and the world about the credibility of our system. The presidential power of the pardon, I think, is there for that purpose to be able to exercise it, to say, no, we're going to stay apolitical as best we can. And there was almost nothing about the January 6th cases that was apolitical.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So before we get to Roger Ver, I have one last sort of question, which is if we start drawing equivalencies between draft evading and January 6th, isn't somebody very quickly going to also form a equivalency between draft evading and illegal immigration into the United States? I understand these aren't citizens, but they are citizens. amongst us, as Abraham Lincoln once argued.
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How do we respond to that if that were to happen?
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I think in the illegal immigration context, aside from not being citizens to begin with, is that they're not being targeted for political reasons because of their political beliefs. It's because they're not legally present here and are costing American citizens more than American citizens should have to pay.
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So I think I just see that as a practical apolitical decision enforcing the law as it exists. Now, I think a lot of those people that are here have an argument that the prior administration misled them into being here. And so we'll have to figure out how do we deal with the consequences of that.
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I mean, when there's NGOs that are complicit and the Biden administration may be complicit that they might have misled people that, you know, people from Haiti might not have been dying to move to Springfield, Ohio, but might have been told this is your only opportunity and so forth.
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And so I think that the, and I think the Trump administration is right to focus on, okay, get out the worst people first and on the immigration side, but also on the immigration side, focus on the NGOs, focus on the government actors who misled a lot of people.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
What's going to happen to the NGOs? We have to do something about that. It seems to be almost more than anything, more than January 6th in my, I know it wasn't here to talk about that, but what are we going to do about that?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
I think you're absolutely right. And in my view, what I've been urging, I've been saying cut off the money so that like a lot of the jobs, anybody that's a censor, not only should be should be fired, but just cut off the funding. No more funding, not millions of dollars to have censorship operations all around the world.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Like Mike Benz was just discussing with Joe Rogan how our government dollars were being spent to do mass censorship. We got to get rid of that. And I think that we cut off the money. You've cut off the money. You solve 90 percent of the problem.
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And that is something cut off from the federal government?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Yeah, almost all this money is coming from United States taxpayers. I mean, it's extraordinary. The U.S. taxpayers since 2015 have been paying to censor the American people. And that's just outrageous.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
So it's not, it's just, are there loopholes in the law that could be closed to sort of reduce the probability of this just leaking back?
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Yes, I mean, I think we should support Rand Paul's legislation. Rand Paul's legislation would make it illegal for any government employee to ever censor. And that's got to be part of it. Cut off the funds to the NGOs, some deportations, and some select prosecutions. I mean, the cartels are making a lot of money on this.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Some high-ranking people need to face real penalties, just like I think Fauci needs to. Now, I think that's why. I think Biden, look for Biden to include a lot of immigration groups. in his preemptive pardons. It won't just be Fauci. A lot of those Soros-connected NGOs, Bill Gates-connected NGOs, they're going to be included in that list, is my guess.
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Roger Ver, Jan 6ers, Ross Ulbricht: Who Should Trump Pardon First? w/ Attorney Robert Barnes & Aaron Day – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 435
Oh, interesting. So let's talk about Roger Ver. I'm going to have Aaron Day in here in a second to talk about crypto more generally. What is the story of Roger Ver, and why do you think he needs to be pardoned?