Retired Homicide Detective Kyle Eastridge

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

He almost had to have some second person involved.

He almost had to have some second person involved.

She was convinced her mother was involved.

She was convinced her mother was involved.

What was significant about it to me was how hard he fought not to testify about this and how hostile he was about it. It made us think that there might be a level of fear on his part.

What was significant about it to me was how hard he fought not to testify about this and how hostile he was about it. It made us think that there might be a level of fear on his part.

So if she didn't fly back, and if she wasn't strong enough to lift a hefty man like Allen... He almost has to have some second person involved.

So if she didn't fly back, and if she wasn't strong enough to lift a hefty man like Allen... He almost has to have some second person involved.

Her son was old enough he could have helped her.

Her son was old enough he could have helped her.

There were a ton of murder cases there. They don't care about the whodunits. They want to clear their plate as easy as they can.

There were a ton of murder cases there. They don't care about the whodunits. They want to clear their plate as easy as they can.

Everybody's looking past the buck. Because murder cases are money, they're resources, and they're a lot of responsibility.

Everybody's looking past the buck. Because murder cases are money, they're resources, and they're a lot of responsibility.

That's how law enforcement is. Everybody has their own problems and nobody wants to deal with someone else's.

That's how law enforcement is. Everybody has their own problems and nobody wants to deal with someone else's.

If you look at it, The way Betsy Bagwell died is real similar to how Alan died. And they were both headed to meet her. They were both not seen alive again after that.

If you look at it, The way Betsy Bagwell died is real similar to how Alan died. And they were both headed to meet her. They were both not seen alive again after that.

But Dallas PD had no interest in looking at it any further, so we were kind of stymied on that.

But Dallas PD had no interest in looking at it any further, so we were kind of stymied on that.

The truth is the hero will just want the easy out for their case. It's a suicide, let's not deal with it any further, case closed.

The truth is the hero will just want the easy out for their case. It's a suicide, let's not deal with it any further, case closed.

The only thing that would have really helped on physical evidence side would have been if we had found the weapon and ballistically matched it.

The only thing that would have really helped on physical evidence side would have been if we had found the weapon and ballistically matched it.

I know from the prosecutor's standpoint, they wanted that slam dunk.

I know from the prosecutor's standpoint, they wanted that slam dunk.

We really dug for that to see if we could find anything that would put over their comfort zone on charging her. But we just couldn't do it.

We really dug for that to see if we could find anything that would put over their comfort zone on charging her. But we just couldn't do it.

Actual people duped by her, they weren't real keen on reliving it.

Actual people duped by her, they weren't real keen on reliving it.

I just remember this constant pushback from people that wanted no involvement.

I just remember this constant pushback from people that wanted no involvement.

We got wind that she had been in trouble out in North Carolina, so we started following that.

We got wind that she had been in trouble out in North Carolina, so we started following that.

Alan's case was one we always wanted to solve, and his mother was his champion. She was always checking in with supervisors or the DA's office just to see if anything new had happened.

Alan's case was one we always wanted to solve, and his mother was his champion. She was always checking in with supervisors or the DA's office just to see if anything new had happened.

Now we just gotta do some good old fashioned gumshoe police work and go out and find witnesses and see if we can build a timeline that will bring us the information to charge.

Now we just gotta do some good old fashioned gumshoe police work and go out and find witnesses and see if we can build a timeline that will bring us the information to charge.

It's a case that never really had a lot of physical evidence.

It's a case that never really had a lot of physical evidence.

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

I needed to try to get her nailed down to a story.

I needed to try to get her nailed down to a story.

For me, it's the whole picture that makes her suspicious. And there's a lot of people that fight over money and get divorced. But Sandra had an idea in her head that she belonged. in that world, it was a big driving factor for her. And what even convinced me more was that when Sandra got to the age that she began losing her looks a little bit, she didn't have that

For me, it's the whole picture that makes her suspicious. And there's a lot of people that fight over money and get divorced. But Sandra had an idea in her head that she belonged. in that world, it was a big driving factor for her. And what even convinced me more was that when Sandra got to the age that she began losing her looks a little bit, she didn't have that

If you want to call it sex appeal to lure in these guys, she shifted her tactics to fraud.

If you want to call it sex appeal to lure in these guys, she shifted her tactics to fraud.

I introduced myself. She said she knew who I was and didn't care.

I introduced myself. She said she knew who I was and didn't care.

From the time she walked in and sat down to the time I left, she wasn't nervous. Her eyes were sharp. She didn't have that Babe of the Woods look. She looked like she was in charge. It was a real odd dynamic to me.

From the time she walked in and sat down to the time I left, she wasn't nervous. Her eyes were sharp. She didn't have that Babe of the Woods look. She looked like she was in charge. It was a real odd dynamic to me.

She shut me down immediately.

She shut me down immediately.

She just has no morals or ethics. Kind of like a sociopath, you know, she doesn't care about anybody else's suffering as long as she gets something out of it.

She just has no morals or ethics. Kind of like a sociopath, you know, she doesn't care about anybody else's suffering as long as she gets something out of it.

His little Bronco was just sitting in the lot for this place and it didn't fit.

His little Bronco was just sitting in the lot for this place and it didn't fit.

Oklahoma City was very cold. It starts making you think, this guy's probably from somewhere else.

Oklahoma City was very cold. It starts making you think, this guy's probably from somewhere else.

He was a tall guy. And the driver's seat was scooted up for someone real short to drive it.

He was a tall guy. And the driver's seat was scooted up for someone real short to drive it.

From the initial scene, I think it was pretty apparent that he came from somewhere a ways and that he'd been dumped there and staged to look like that.

From the initial scene, I think it was pretty apparent that he came from somewhere a ways and that he'd been dumped there and staged to look like that.

She was convinced her mother was involved.

What was significant about it to me was how hard he fought not to testify about this and how hostile he was about it. It made us think that there might be a level of fear on his part.

So if she didn't fly back, and if she wasn't strong enough to lift a hefty man like Allen... He almost has to have some second person involved.

Her son was old enough he could have helped her.

There were a ton of murder cases there. They don't care about the whodunits. They want to clear their plate as easy as they can.

Everybody's looking past the buck. Because murder cases are money, they're resources, and they're a lot of responsibility.

That's how law enforcement is. Everybody has their own problems and nobody wants to deal with someone else's.

If you look at it, The way Betsy Bagwell died is real similar to how Alan died. And they were both headed to meet her. They were both not seen alive again after that.

But Dallas PD had no interest in looking at it any further, so we were kind of stymied on that.

The truth is the hero will just want the easy out for their case. It's a suicide, let's not deal with it any further, case closed.

The only thing that would have really helped on physical evidence side would have been if we had found the weapon and ballistically matched it.

I know from the prosecutor's standpoint, they wanted that slam dunk.

We really dug for that to see if we could find anything that would put over their comfort zone on charging her. But we just couldn't do it.

Actual people duped by her, they weren't real keen on reliving it.

I just remember this constant pushback from people that wanted no involvement.

We got wind that she had been in trouble out in North Carolina, so we started following that.

Alan's case was one we always wanted to solve, and his mother was his champion. She was always checking in with supervisors or the DA's office just to see if anything new had happened.

Now we just gotta do some good old fashioned gumshoe police work and go out and find witnesses and see if we can build a timeline that will bring us the information to charge.

It's a case that never really had a lot of physical evidence.

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

I needed to try to get her nailed down to a story.

For me, it's the whole picture that makes her suspicious. And there's a lot of people that fight over money and get divorced. But Sandra had an idea in her head that she belonged. in that world, it was a big driving factor for her. And what even convinced me more was that when Sandra got to the age that she began losing her looks a little bit, she didn't have that

If you want to call it sex appeal to lure in these guys, she shifted her tactics to fraud.

I introduced myself. She said she knew who I was and didn't care.

From the time she walked in and sat down to the time I left, she wasn't nervous. Her eyes were sharp. She didn't have that Babe of the Woods look. She looked like she was in charge. It was a real odd dynamic to me.

She shut me down immediately.

She just has no morals or ethics. Kind of like a sociopath, you know, she doesn't care about anybody else's suffering as long as she gets something out of it.

I knew I was gonna have to try to talk to her and she was in a spot she couldn't get away.

He almost had to have some second person involved.

His little Bronco was just sitting in the lot for this place and it didn't fit.

Oklahoma City was very cold. It starts making you think, this guy's probably from somewhere else.

He was a tall guy. And the driver's seat was scooted up for someone real short to drive it.

From the initial scene, I think it was pretty apparent that he came from somewhere a ways and that he'd been dumped there and staged to look like that.