Piers Morgan
Appearances
Pod Save the UK
Just Stop Politics - 2024 Wrapped! w/ Desiree Burch and Liz Bates
You got what seems like a milkshake thrown at you. Was that what it was? I don't know what was thrown at me, but it hit me in the face, fair and square. Quite frightening.
Pod Save the UK
Just Stop Politics - 2024 Wrapped! w/ Desiree Burch and Liz Bates
To be honest, it's an almighty cock-up.
Pod Save the UK
Just Stop Politics - 2024 Wrapped! w/ Desiree Burch and Liz Bates
LAUGHTER I'll bet you £1,000 to a refugee charity, you don't get anybody on those planes before the election. Will you take that bet?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Best of the Week: Trump vs. NBC, Insane CEO Assassination Reaction, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee
He's a father and he's being young down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Best of the Week: Trump vs. NBC, Insane CEO Assassination Reaction, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee
Should they all be killed then? Should they all be killed, these health care executives? Would that make you even more joyful?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Best of the Week: Trump vs. NBC, Insane CEO Assassination Reaction, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee
No. Joyful or even to even say you're not empathetic about somebody losing their life when they leave behind two young boys.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's no doubt that on the Russian side, they believe they were provoked into doing this. I know that you have sympathy with that view. There's also no doubt from the Ukrainian side that they believe since the 90s they've been this sovereign democratic country, albeit not perfect. You think deeply flawed. I think they've been imperfect, trying to improve.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
OK, do you accept that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. So after they'd been invaded.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, it is. There are Russians living there. It wasn't Russia's. And in the same way that you say the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly in favor, of course they did. They would have been killed if they hadn't. Same way as in Russia. In a secret ballot?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it was a secret ballot. I'm saying it's exactly the same way that people in Russia vote for Putin. You think it's an overwhelming show of support for him. A lot of it is driven by fear.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, we're both here for the same reason, actually.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And Zelensky has actually, I think, been a force for good, not bad. But ultimately, what's happened now... is that you have a situation where, as Donald Trump told me recently, it's just the mowing fields now, where you have thousands of young men being killed, often on a daily basis, both sides. And no one's winning this war, it seems to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't claim it's Mother Teresa against Hitler. No, but you have, though. You're like, he's a marvelous person. I like him. I'm allowed to, aren't I?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's not as rich as Vladimir Putin. Well, I mean, if all comparisons are to Putin, then all bets are off. Putin is financially raped and pillaged his country. Maybe.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Maybe.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, let's see. He's got a personal net worth of 100 billion rubles, whatever it is. I don't know how we would know that, but great, he does.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Does that bother you at all? Well, he'd been leader of his country for two years. He's done a lot of oppression in two years. He didn't get rich on corruption in two years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't call him a very handsome man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think he's a very handsome man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think I called him hot.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you asking me to ask all the questions of Zelensky, you didn't ask Putin.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm not friends with Putin. I'm just a guy who shut up. I'm not personal friends with Zelensky.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I admire him.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can't miscategorize me. I'm not a friend of his. I've only met him once. But I do admire his fortitude as a leader. I love the fact he stayed in Kiev when the Russians went in. He could have fled. Many would have done that position. Everyone thought the Russians would win in a few days. Yeah, I agree. I do admire the fortitude that he showed as a leader. Those characteristics I like.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you called him a magnificent leader.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do you not? I mean, you believe his reasoning. I believe something. You believe the reasoning for the war.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And if anyone is going to win it, it's likely to be Russia, not Ukraine. And then what happens? And that concerns me enormously. If the West allows Putin...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think any informed person... I mean, Bill Burns... Only 10% of people in eastern Ukraine actually want Russia to take them over. Okay, I don't know how we know that, but I believe that, but it doesn't... It's a poll, same poll you, you know, you're quoting me about Crimea. So that wasn't a poll, it was an election. Which are critical to democracy, I don't know if you knew that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because no one had invaded America. Okay, well, but how about the- So the people could actually vote?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
to just take the land he's taken what guarantee do we have he won't try and take the rest of Ukraine he took Crimea he's back for more I think he wants the whole of Ukraine I think he won't stop there if he's allowed to get it I think he's a pretty ruthless evil Russian dictator um how are we defining just to find the term so we can follow the same yeah what's a dictator
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So to be clear, when... What the hell is this? Okay, well, so when Putin invaded Ukraine, you'd have given him what he wants? Take whatever you want?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's preposterous.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So how's this peacekeeping? Or you could argue, as many people do, that actually the reason is because Ukraine wasn't in NATO. Had it been, Putin wouldn't have invaded.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And you don't realize that you're starting the cycle again. Would Putin have invaded Ukraine if he'd have been a member of NATO? No, he wouldn't have done it. Because then America would have been obliged to respond.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're just not going to accept that. NATO is a defensive organization. How is it defensive? Because it has never acted proactively aggressively. Really?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
NATO has always operated in a defensive capacity.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes. That's how they created Kosovo?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you know... My brother-in-law was literally there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's not insane. NATO has never actually acted unilaterally and aggressively. It's never attacked anybody without being attacked. It's always been defensive. Okay. Who in Yugoslavia attacked NATO?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm sorry. Well, you think nice, good guys in Yugoslavia... I'm not saying they're nice, good guys.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, they may have been naughty. I'm not defending their behavior. But that's what they were being defended against. Who are we defending? The Yugoslavians that were being pillaged and raped and murdered. By other Yugoslavians? Yes. Okay. This is getting intense. NATO is a defensive organization.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Just to be clear, you would have let Putin take what he wants. Because what's the alternative? When he invaded Ukraine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
A dictator to me is somebody, well, I would start by saying you have no respect for democratic norms, a free and fair election.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So when he invaded there, what would you let him do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. But once actually he's invaded, what do you do? Then
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So that's interesting to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you wouldn't argue that Putin, for example, has free and fair elections.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So what do you do? What do you do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So do you let Putin take Ukraine? You don't let anybody do anything. You either do or you don't.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let me assure you, if Russia invaded Britain, that would not be the view of the British people. Our view would be to fight to the last man and woman to kick him out. But my question really is... Do you really think so?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What can I actually achieve? But respectfully, you're not answering my question, which you don't have to because you're interviewing me in this bit. But the question is, once Putin invaded, do you let him take the whole country? What do you do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I'm talking about February, end of February, early March.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah, so assume it's happened.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right, and he's now wrestling with this very problem. He certainly is. He doesn't want to give Putin the win, and that's my point to you. Do you actually want him to win?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Is it good for America that Putin wins?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you guys went along like little Pekingese. You shouldn't have done that. But why are you not answering my question? What would I do if I were Trump right now? No, no. Once he invaded Putin, what do you let him take?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And he says, actually, I want Ukraine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't want to be pedantic.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But if you roll over and you let Putin take what he wants.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let me just respond. Roll over? Let me just respond. If you roll over and you let him take what he wants in Ukraine, why should China not go and take what they want in Taiwan, for example? They would just take. Well, they are going to take what they want in Taiwan. I'm not sure they will, especially with Trump as president. It's part of China. I don't think they will.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, why do we get to dictate what China does with Taiwan?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why do you support Israel against Hamas, for example? Why do you support America giving them billions of dollars? Well, I don't. You don't support Israel being supported by America?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But do you agree with America supplying them with a lot of arms?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think what we need is... So you do believe in America interfering in countries a long way away. It just depends which country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, they both- I don't know what that means to be an ally. I mean, we have no- It means that when Israel wants to attack in Gaza and attack Hamas, America will help it because it's its ally.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So it gives it billions of dollars worth of- It's not what it means to be an ally, okay? Well, fundamentally it does.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But why would you support America getting involved in Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So do you support America supporting Israel to the tune of billions of dollars?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you can make... But what's in America's interest?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But do you support what's happening then in the support in the attacks in Gaza, for example? Because I don't see the difference between that and what's happening in Ukraine. This is a long way away from America. There's no direct involvement with America. There's no mainland involvement with America. And yet you think it's right that America supports Israel. Well, put words in your mouth.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But you don't think it's right. I don't think those are the words that came out of my mouth. You don't think it's right America supports Ukraine when Russia invades it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, your comparison with Zelensky and Putin over the last two years, I found baffling. Because you seem to think there's some moral equivalence between the two. And Zelensky hasn't illegally invaded another country. Right. Do you not have a problem with what Putin's done?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That is true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Explain what is America's national interest in Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Actually, I haven't expected a view about that at all. I'm just curious about the difference in your... You're not an Israel hater, are you?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not at all. Why are you attacking Israel?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It feels like you do. Isn't Netanyahu a dictator? Actually, I don't like Netanyahu. I think you should.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you should go. Let me just ask you one more time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Now we're getting into, I'm not comfortable with this. Here's my question.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You just said you don't like Netanyahu. I'm trying to work out whose brand suffers more when we platform each other. But let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. I'm going to need a second. One more time. Just quietly for the people at the back. You don't like America getting involved in helping Ukraine against Russia because there's no national interest for America in doing that in your eyes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, there's a negative national interest, a profound one.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's no greater national interest. Your position is America first. There's no interest for America. Shouldn't be doing it. It's a problem between Ukraine and Russia. Okay, that's fine. A lot of people have that view. I respect it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What I can't understand is the difference in your logic and principle about supporting Israel in its war with Hamas, which is many thousands of miles away from America.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you support America supporting Israel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're blowing my mind, Piers Morgan. My English linguistics.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It is our language. You lot fucked it up, but we actually, it's our language. As a PG Woodhouse fan, I totally agree. It's a route, not a route. It's Iran, not Iran. And it's a hurricane, not a hurricane. Hurricane is embarrassing.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it's a typhoon when it happens. Famously, the BBC weatherman at the time announced on the BBC main news on the night, there were people ringing in saying, is there going to be a hurricane in the UK? And no one knew what it meant. And let me tell you, there is not. Four hours later, every tree in south of England fell down. Are you serious? Yes. Well, we called it a hurricane is my point.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I would prefer the people of Russia to vote him out. But I also feel the same way about Netanyahu and the people in Israel.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not necessarily, no.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because I don't believe him in the way that you seem to. I don't believe anybody. He has this very well-intentioned, perfectly reasonable, understandable reason why he had to illegally invade a democratic country and take a third of its people, take a third of its land and people. And you think that's fine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Was that legal? You're talking to the editor of the paper that opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq. You supported that. What?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Who makes international law? Well, the international community. Oh, the international community. What do they mean? Do you not believe in international law? I don't even know what that means. Who is the international community? Is Iran in the international community? So you think any invasion of a sovereign country can be legal? I don't even know what you mean by legal.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes, there are international courts.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Who's punished? Do you believe in the Geneva Convention or not?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're in violation. If that turns out to be true, I would be violently opposed to that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Was it wrong for America to use atomic bombs in World War II? Absolutely. Really? To use nuclear weapons? Yes. To win the war? Of course. To save many hundreds of thousands of more people dying? That's what happened. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Whether you agree or don't agree with the use of nuclear weapons, nobody disputes the fact that it brought an end to a war which, had it been allowed to carry on for another six months to a year, would have killed many more people.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I would argue that if you look at the history of Ukraine since the 90s, since it became a, for want of a better phrase, democratic country, as they would say, well, I mean, by the same criteria you support Putin being popular in his country, I think just under 90% of Ukrainians voted for it. You wouldn't dispute that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Look, if you're intentionally killing civilians... Isn't it a question of just of scale? I mean... To some extent it is, yeah. If you believe in a big bomb and it kills 500 people, but you don't agree with one that kills 1,000, what's the difference ideologically? It depends who they are.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So after Pearl Harbor, you think it was wrong with the Japanese refusing to surrender, vowing to kill as many people as they possibly could, that America decided to use its two most powerful weapons to bring an end to the war.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I would say it's more morally justified what America did than what the British did, for example, in carpet bombing Dresden. I think there was more justification because they were trying to bring an end to the war as quickly as they could to avoid potentially millions more people dying.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't say... Well, because I think there's a moral right behind you if you are literally... To kill women and children? If there's a world war that threatens the entire... It threatens the entire world? Yes. Some people killed your kids like your eight-year-old? How is that morally justifiable? Because actually you have to... Well, by your criteria... That's disgusting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, so no war is morally justified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You think no military action is morally justifiable, then? I didn't say that. Aren't you implying that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's the deaths of any innocent people.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you kill any innocent people, civilians, in a war, you think it's all morally lacking in justification. Because I would argue against that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Is there any form of warfare that's morally justified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't agree with you. I don't agree with you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You said, right in the camera, it's okay to kill eight-year-olds because it's war. Well, it's not okay to kill eight-year-olds. I didn't say anything is okay. What I said is morally justified. Because when you have an enemy that is prepared to put six million Jews into gas chambers and murder six million more people, they are prepared to do anything. And you have to stop them.
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And then any response you give to me is morally justified. Any response? Well, pretty much. If you're taking the war to them to try and end the war and trying to defeat a nihilistic group like the Nazis, yes, it's morally— A nihilistic group? Says the guy who's defending the murder of eight-year-olds.
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A Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, that is a form of invasion, isn't it? It was not an invasion.
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Was it morally defensible to attack them back? Stop. Okay.
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You didn't qualify. You didn't qualify.
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Why would you be in favor of child molestation? Nobody's talked about molesting children. You just said it was morally justified for America.
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Listen, don't mock masturbation. It's making love to someone you love.
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Now, you go into any kind of... That wasn't what I was doing. I was saying there's moral... Well, it was very much what you were doing. No, no. You said it was morally justified to kill children. I said morally just... It's not. No, no. Morally justified to drop bombs which end a war.
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Because when the enemy is not making that calculation, you have to stop them. Stop them from what? Not being invaded? Stop them from killing your civilians, killing your people.
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To save, potentially, millions of lives being killed, yes. Of our invaders? Of their country? Of both sides. To bring an end to the war. How about just not invade them? They wouldn't surrender. You've got to bring the war to an end. But they had lost. But why do you have to invade them?
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So you would condemn what Israel's done in Gaza, for example? I don't want to be involved in it. Nearly 20,000 children are said to have died. I don't think that that is a... By your criteria, is it morally justified?
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No, I didn't. I said, I don't think he should be leader anymore. You hate him.
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I certainly think that Ukraine has had a lot of corruption.
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So Israel's dropping American bombs on Gaza, killing lots of children.
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Hang on. Don't tell me what I think. You think the killing of civilians is morally indefensible? Let me tell you what I think. So American bombs are being used to kill a lot of children and women in Gaza. I hate that. Is it morally indefensible? Now you don't want to say?
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Yeah, I mean, look, for what it's worth, my position is Israel had a fundamental duty, not just a right, but a duty to defend its people after October the 7th, given the horrendous scale of that attack. And my only question I kept asking repeatedly from about the first couple of weeks onwards was, what is a proportionate response? What is morally justified?
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Well, I would categorize my support for him as supporting him against an illegal invasion by Russia.
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I like Israel.
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I like Israeli people. I do too.
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The Pope calls a church in... He's absurd. I can't. Yeah, but he actually calls a Catholic church in Gaza every night to see how they're doing. Every night, apparently, he calls.
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I mean, fundamentally... That makes me emotional. Yeah, look, fundamentally, we're not a million miles apart, and neither of us like war. Nobody who likes war should ever be... But one of us likes dictators. No.
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You do.
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You said it in your eyes. Great.
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You know what? You should have been on Twitter. You just said everyone thought you did.
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You didn't need to.
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No, because I don't see Zelensky as a dictator in the way that you do.
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Two years, I think, he'd been in charge. Putin, what was he into? Nearly 30 years now?
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Oh, I thought you were talking to me. I thought that was your out for me.
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I think the courage, the moral courage he showed on the night that the Russians invaded, when people thought they would sweep through Kiev and almost certainly kill him, the fact he immediately went on social media and people around him said, I'm not leaving. I'm staying here for you.
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I'm not saying they're morally pure in Ukraine. I'm not saying they're not riddled with corruption.
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That's moral courage of the kind we saw with Trump when he stood there and got back up and went fight, fight, fight.
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Well, you're making a lot of allegations against him. Those are facts.
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No, no, here's my point to you. My defense of them... Bloodthirsty dictator. Bloodthirsty dictator. My defense of them is based on the illegal invasion by Russia. You and I can argue about whether Russia was goaded and provoked into doing that. I do not think anything justifies what they actually did.
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Well, I mean, in the same sense that we would say... You wouldn't dispute that Vladimir Putin does that relentlessly, that he imprisons and tortures and kills.
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You hate this.
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I don't hate it. I know. Because I keep asking you the same question. And for some reason, you don't want to answer it. I've answered all questions.
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I think I had the best of it, really. I certainly think in newspaper terms, it was before the internet had really taken hold. And so you were the receptacle for news for people. You know, there weren't many television networks. You didn't really have cable television when I was running the papers. So papers had much more influence and much more power because they were bringing the news to people.
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Yeah. People woke up in the morning and they would read their paper to find out what had happened. That doesn't happen anymore. People already know what's happened. There are millions of news networks all over cable news. There's millions of internet sites you can get the news. Everyone knows what's going on. So the point and relevance and power and influence of newspapers has dissipated.
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They can still break big stories and have big influence. And if I was running one again... I'd be completely digital by now. I'd just abandon print papers altogether. But the economic model is very difficult. If you do that, you don't make as much from the digital side as you do from print. So they've got to weigh that up and somehow get through it.
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But I would invest heavily in investigative, longer term journalism, because that's how you can now bring news to people they don't already know.
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I would say the difference is we can't get canceled, right? Who's going to cancel us? It's ourselves. So we have a complete freedom and a sort of liberation from the restrictions that inevitably come with working for big companies. Big companies in the media... have really struggled, I think, to move with the way young people now get their information.
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They don't really understand the big legacy media companies that young people do not watch linear television. They don't read print newspapers. What they've really struggled with is to stop lying. They can't stop lying.
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And they have controlled the way news is disseminated. The thing about you and me and other people that do this, whether you're on the left or the right, there's no control, right? We don't get controlled by anybody. We're only answerable to ourselves and what we want to do.
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I think I'm like you in the sense of we're not politically aligned in many ways, but we love talking to each other, love debating, love arguing, love asking questions, love learning, right?
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Let me tell you. Well, I don't. But let me tell you.
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There's a lot of military in my family who know how to use guns better than me. I know, but...
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You know the thing about guns? I'll just say this for your audience that will all be looking at me thinking I'm the 2A gun grabber. The reality is it's a complete cultural difference. In my country, everybody used to have a gun. Everybody used to in the old days. Now, very few people have guns. There are incredibly tight restrictions. And the consequence of that is we have almost zero gun crime.
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Is your country, is London safe now? No, no. I'm about to come to that. The problem we have is with knives, right? So I'm not saying for a moment you get rid of all the guns, nobody gets killed. Of course they do. We have a knife crime problem epidemic in our country. No, you have a people problem. You have the kind of people who stab each other, and you didn't used to have that. Well, we did.
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We did.
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No, no, because actually there are lots of white English people who stab each other. Oh, I know. Right. Oh, I know. So it's not just about the influx of migrants, if that's what you're saying.
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I don't know about that. I just know we have very tight gun laws and no gun violence. The interest is, well, very little. My question for you... But do you own a gun secretly? I do not, no. Do you want to? You know why? I'd get five years in prison if I got caught with it.
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Let me ask you a question about guns since you raised it. I'm curious. It's said there are over 400 million guns in circulation in America. I hope so. And it's apparently a million new guns get sold every month. So that number exponentially rises. The number of mass shootings in America is also rising. Mm hmm. Do you think anything should be done about that?
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If I had my time again talking about this with Americans, I would never have been so censorious. I would never have been talking about gun control. I think the word control alienates Americans. But what I would have said was, how do you make it safer? How do you stop so many people getting shot? What do you do about it?
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You're doing the British Cheshire cat thing with me. No, because I think it's a fatuous argument, but it's fine. You're avoiding asking my question. Which is why do we have so many guns?
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No, no, didn't ask that.
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We all used to have guns too.
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We won because I'm not conducting this interview in German, which I wouldn't be. So it's a linguistic thing. I'd rather not speak German and be goose-stepping around my yard in England. Goose-stepping? Yeah. But you are goose-stepping. People are arrested for praying. We literally won our freedom. Where's your freedom? You can get arrested.
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You could say that what you couldn't say, because a lot of these stories, I have to say, in America have been spun completely disingenuously. There's one case, for example, I see everyone trying to send me as an example of Britain's gone mad. Elon Musk has done it as a guy who got seven years in prison. Actually, what he was doing, this guy was he was orchestrating and directing.
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rioting on hotels containing asylum seekers because he had a incorrect belief that someone who had stabbed three young girls to death and stabbed loads of others in a horrific attack was an illegal asylum seeker.
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Fine. It's not okay to have no asylum seekers. It is not okay to allow too many people to come in. Why is it not okay to have no asylum seekers? It's not okay to have a broken asylum system as we have. Why have any asylum seekers? Because I believe you should as a good country. Because we're a caring, compassionate country. And by the way, Britain, for all your knocking of Britain.
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How is that compassionate to your people? Britain actually is one of the most tolerant multicultural countries in the world. To this day. Then why do you have so many stabbings? We have a problem with stabbings. But you know what? How many people get killed by stabbings a year in Britain compared to... It's evidence, David, that you have a problem.
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But by your criteria, they're just defending themselves. Haven't they got a right to bear arms? Okay. Well, hang on.
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Do the British people have a right to bear arms, Tucker? No.
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They can carry knives. So why are you annoyed about the knife crime? I'm against all crime. Look, here's my only point. I'm sure if they use the Tucker Carlson argument, well, the other guy's got a knife, I better carry one.
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It depends what you think that opinion is. Most of them have been directing violence or inciting violence. That's different. I don't think that's right, Piers.
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That is right. And also, look at the case of Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson, most Americans I speak to think he's in jail as some kind of political prisoner like Nelson Mandela for having views about... Or Julian Assange. Yeah, but that's not why Tommy Robinson's in jail, because he defamed a young Syrian refugee.
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Yeah, he lied about him. Okay. Well, he did.
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You also have a defamation law in the United States. People have gone to jail for breaking that law. That's happened. So you're not so pure yourself. Do you have criminal... Yes, you do. Criminal defamation, you do.
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Go and check it. Okay. There's a lawyer sitting right there, but he's occupied. And you've had people go to prison in America for defamation, for libeling people, for saying things that you don't like. It's happened.
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That's a civil offense. I had all this debate on Twitter recently.
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Where? Go and check it.
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Thank you. Has anyone gone to jail for that? Thank you. I've never heard of that. Sorry, the British guy is now telling Americans about their own law.
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It depends if they're inciting violence. That's the criteria. What does that even mean? I do think, by the way, for what it's worth, that some people have been put in jail for saying stuff on Facebook that they shouldn't have been in jail. I agree with that.
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No, no, or hatred. Right, but the violence you'd agree with. Inciting violence? I don't know what that means. It means you literally direct people to go and attack an asylum seeker hotel.
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I don't agree with you about him or Ukraine. I went to interview him in Kyiv. And he's an extraordinary story, obviously, this comedian who becomes president, having played a comedian who was a president in a comedy show, right? And I've seen what you said about it.
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Yes.
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If you want my honest opinion, some of the ones who've gone to prison should not be in prison. How about inciting hatred? Well, it depends what you're trying to do.
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Well, how could we ever support that? Because ultimately... We're paying for that. Because ultimately, we have to make a calculation about whether we're happy with Russia invading what is a sovereign European democratic country.
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I'm literally telling you I'm not defending that. I'm saying there are people who've been put in prison. Why don't you overthrow your government? It's a tyrannical government. I will always support people's right to have hateful views. That's fine. I don't agree with the government. But it's a crime. I don't agree with that. Right? But it depends what they're saying.
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What are you doing to overthrow the tyranny that enslaves you? If the incitement of hatred makes people go and commit acts of violence and you intend it to, that should be a crime. You shouldn't incite people to go and commit acts of violence.
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But you asked me earlier, if you said you hate immigrants, you wouldn't go to prison for that. If you said that they're all over there in that hotel, go and throw firebombs at it, that should be a crime, shouldn't it? Yeah, if you're telling people to go commit... That's what most of these cases involve.
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Mm-hmm. I don't think anyone should be able to use on social media, they shouldn't be using rhetoric, which is inciting violence, period. Hate, I think this idea of what is hate is a much more complex thing. I don't feel comfortable, somebody who believes in free speech, in people saying hateful things and being put in prison. It's wrong.
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But if I say to people here, can you come and stab Tucker?
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I may be wrong, but I'm rarely wrong in linguistic matters. I think you'll find the definition of inciting and directing is not dissimilar.
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I think in relation to hate crime, yes. They've overreached on that. In relation to using social media.
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By the way, you wouldn't have a country without a flood of immigrants. America wouldn't exist. But you're not America.
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It's been there since the beginning of time. Why would you object to the concept of a flood of immigrants? You literally got built on it.
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I think our monarchy, well, I think the king's a fine man.
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Preserve England? Yeah. What do you mean?
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We have a far less Christian country.
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He's certainly gone from winning with a big majority last summer to being incredibly unpopular very quickly.
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You've got four more years of this-ish, is that right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I would say that there's a reasonable chance he will contest the next election in four years' time. It depends, really, how the next year goes. I mean, I've never seen anyone lose such political... capital so quickly.
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And he did it because he came in and decided that the strategy he would do is to say the Tories were so awful that the country's now in a terrible state, so bad that we're going to have to do all these punitive taxes and we're going to have to whack the pensioners and we're going to have to whack the farmers and punish all these groups of people.
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And everyone was like, wow, you've waited 14 years in opposition. And this is what you're doing?
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They make our food. I mean, it's ridiculous. Most of them live literally... Because British food's not good? Is that the problem? Most of them lose money, farmers. And the idea... He created the impression that a lot of pensioners can afford it, a lot of farmers can afford it. Actually, most of them can't. Most of them can't. But why would you target... I mean, it's just... Inexplicable.
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I just think it's a pretty dumb political agenda that's been pursued so far. It's not just dumb, it's like weird.
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Because we don't know. I mean, either he's allowed to take it or he isn't. Either we now say, yes, you take it. Why is it up to us? I don't understand. Well, who else can stop it?
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How would you ever come up with that? At a time when we need more people, not less. Yeah. What do you think that is? Bad governing. But why is it the same in every country? Well, I just think the food thing in particular. Look how fat everyone's getting. Right. I mean, fat, lazy, sedentary. And you're like, that can't be good for anyone. No, but why is it happening?
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That is the consequence of all the political actions that have been taken. I agree. I don't think it's a mad global conspiracy in the way you might be inferring. I don't know what I'm inferring. I'm just noticing. Listen, I know where you're coming from on this. I don't believe they're actually smart enough to do that. Then why are they all doing it?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think because they're not very competent and they're not very good and they're lazy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not one of them. Here's what I agree with you about. It's wrong. And it's got to change. We need more people, not less. We need better food, not crap food. We need to reduce the size of our human beings whilst increasing populations. Otherwise, the planet's going to kill itself, going to basically self-implode and die out, as Elon Musk is warning. He's right.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm going to end on this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it will end. I do think Donald Trump will get a deal. I do think in the end that Russia will probably keep most of the land they've taken. I personally wish that wasn't the case, but I think that's how this gets ended. And I hope that Ukraine get enough guarantees that the rest of their country won't get taken down the line. We saw Crimea go. We've seen the East go, pretty much.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And I suspect Vladimir Putin, I believe, will try and take the rest of it. I may be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it gets... a deal gets done soon because too many people are dying. I heard the other day that 100,000 people on that battlefield died in six weeks on both sides collectively. I mean, this is horrendous. This has been the stuff you saw at the Somme.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, when Saddam invaded Kuwait, why did America go and support that? Because there's oil here. Did you support that?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You think the Ukrainians have not been telling the truth about it?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They should tell the truth. They should be transparent. If that's the case, it's wrong.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You know what? Maybe think, go back to Britain and make us...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
jolts us into action you know what i like about the trump thing in the last week just the sense of hope optimism yes i agree even the bit before the election when he went down to watch one of elon musk's rockets launch and just the fact that america's back in the business of going into space aiming to go to the moon aiming to go to mars yes where's that in my country where is that kind of dynamism where is someone hitting the ground with 200 things they want to do bang
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You may not agree with all of them, but my God, the energy that Trump is expending, the dynamism, the aspiration, the thing of making America great again. I got a feeling this time around Trump's going to have a very good four years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm not so convinced about my country, and I want to get that kind of oomph and energy and dynamism in Britain because I don't disagree with a lot of the characterization you've had. If we are a country in the doldrums right now, we are.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do you think looking back at it, was it right to do what America did with the Allies? British were there too? I don't know. Expel him from Kuwait? It wasn't a NATO country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We take energy from Ukraine, though. This is an energy component to that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, but you've already said that you would support the expulsion of Saddam from Kuwait. I don't know that I would. Led by America. Well, you just said you did.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. So what's the difference between that and what's happened with Russia and Ukraine? Well, because we need Ukraine's energy. We need Ukraine's wheat. We do. 25% of the world's wheat comes out of Ukraine.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, what's interesting to me on a bigger picture about Ukraine, Russia, your views, a lot of conservative views in America, is that 30 years ago, there would have been no element of resistance from the conservative side about taking on a Russian dictator who'd invaded a European country. I know it's a lot more complicated.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
When you say over, what do you mean? What would have happened?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But my point is, if the defense of expelling Saddam Hussein from Kuwait was that we have energy interests in that country, and therefore we should kick him out. But that's obviously what we all knew. And it was done very quickly and competently by General Norman Schwarzkopf. And it was great, great military operation. But surely the principle and ideology is not different.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And what's interesting is every Republican... They're idiots.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I mean, every Republican in 91 would have supported that conflict.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's my support of it, I can promise you. Every Republican voter, I think, would have supported it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So what's changed is a lot of Republican supporters now, conservatives in America, are against supporting Ukraine anymore. And I'm curious about that change in what has been, what, 35 years. There's been a real sea change. And it may be because Americans are understandably war-weary. They're fed up with spending a lot of money on foreign wars, foreign conflicts.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
There's a good argument America hasn't really won a foreign war since World War II. You know, you look at from Vietnam onwards, endless quagmires, endless problems, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so on and so on. And I look at what's happened in Ukraine, and I'm just looking at it pragmatically. Do we just let a Russian...
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do we let Russia, led at the moment by Vladimir Putin, who I would categorize as a dictator, do we let him just take what he wants? Even if he uses it and dresses it all up as, I'm doing this because I fear about NATO encroachment, which may well be his reasoning. May well be his reasoning. But many people think it's not his reasoning. Many people think.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Here's the other part of the argument. He has nuclear weapons. Why would we want that? We have nuclear weapons too. A lot of the argument... Do you guys have nuclear weapons? We do. Yes, we have nuclear weapons.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I know the history, but a lot of very smart people on, a lot of people you've interviewed. And, you know, I do learn a lot each time I talk about all the history, obviously. My brother was a British army colonel. My sister married a British army colonel. They've all engaged in conflicts around the world. And so it's complicated.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do you think that's a good idea? Yes, absolutely. You know why? You're freaking me out. If Ukraine had nuclear weapons, they wouldn't have been invaded. Can we agree on that? We told them to give up their nuclear deterrent.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And many people would say. How does that help us? Many people in that region say, actually, what's happened to Ukraine is precisely why they should have been in NATO. Because if they had been in NATO, Putin wouldn't have invaded them. Oh, God.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And also they say, if we hadn't collectively basically bullied Ukraine into giving up their nuclear deterrent, he wouldn't have done it either because they would have had a nuclear weapon to defend themselves. This is super crazy. Is it crazy? Yes, it is. Crazier than your theories?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So. But I think you're only giving half a picture. I'm not oblivious to that. But I would add this component to it, which is also not surely beyond the realms of fantasy. Vladimir Putin knows that a lot of that part of eastern Ukraine, they still speak Russian.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He has resented the breakup of the Soviet Union, famously, and that actually he wanted to take back land that he believes should belong to Russia.