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Philip Shenon

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Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

There's some dispute about Pius. what she says about Pius, but she tells a Boston newspaperman that throughout the war, she pressed Pius to speak out against Nazi Germany, to protest the Holocaust, and Pius would not give in to her pressure. There's also reason to believe that she had a hand in saving thousands of lives in Rome, the lives of Roman Jews.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Because when Nazi Germany marched into Rome in 1943, she pressured Pius to shelter thousands of Jews in Vatican City. And her role in the Vatican has largely gone untold because there's been an effort to make sure it's not told. There was a fear that the disclosure of her influence on Pius would be scandalous.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Because when Nazi Germany marched into Rome in 1943, she pressured Pius to shelter thousands of Jews in Vatican City. And her role in the Vatican has largely gone untold because there's been an effort to make sure it's not told. There was a fear that the disclosure of her influence on Pius would be scandalous.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Because when Nazi Germany marched into Rome in 1943, she pressured Pius to shelter thousands of Jews in Vatican City. And her role in the Vatican has largely gone untold because there's been an effort to make sure it's not told. There was a fear that the disclosure of her influence on Pius would be scandalous.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Certainly the thought that a woman had this much influence on a pope would have been seen as scandalous at the time.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Certainly the thought that a woman had this much influence on a pope would have been seen as scandalous at the time.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Certainly the thought that a woman had this much influence on a pope would have been seen as scandalous at the time.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Over the centuries, popes had left wills. They left documents that sort of established how their earthly belongings would be divided up and to thank their aides and advisors and to sort of highlight the accomplishments of their papacy. When Pius dies, there's a frantic search for his will, which is eventually found at the bottom of a locked desk drawer in the papal apartment.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Over the centuries, popes had left wills. They left documents that sort of established how their earthly belongings would be divided up and to thank their aides and advisors and to sort of highlight the accomplishments of their papacy. When Pius dies, there's a frantic search for his will, which is eventually found at the bottom of a locked desk drawer in the papal apartment.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Over the centuries, popes had left wills. They left documents that sort of established how their earthly belongings would be divided up and to thank their aides and advisors and to sort of highlight the accomplishments of their papacy. When Pius dies, there's a frantic search for his will, which is eventually found at the bottom of a locked desk drawer in the papal apartment.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And his deputies are stunned by it because it's so short and it's simply a bleak plea for mercy. It's eight sentences long. He says nothing about his earthly belongings. He says nothing about his gratitude towards his aides and advisers. No mention of the accomplishments of his papacy. It's a plea for mercy from God.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And his deputies are stunned by it because it's so short and it's simply a bleak plea for mercy. It's eight sentences long. He says nothing about his earthly belongings. He says nothing about his gratitude towards his aides and advisers. No mention of the accomplishments of his papacy. It's a plea for mercy from God.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And his deputies are stunned by it because it's so short and it's simply a bleak plea for mercy. It's eight sentences long. He says nothing about his earthly belongings. He says nothing about his gratitude towards his aides and advisers. No mention of the accomplishments of his papacy. It's a plea for mercy from God.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And he talks about the need for forgiveness from those who he has sinned against or scandalized. There's a fierce debate after his death about why he would feel the need to make this bleak plea for mercy.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And he talks about the need for forgiveness from those who he has sinned against or scandalized. There's a fierce debate after his death about why he would feel the need to make this bleak plea for mercy.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

And he talks about the need for forgiveness from those who he has sinned against or scandalized. There's a fierce debate after his death about why he would feel the need to make this bleak plea for mercy.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

There's certainly a theory offered that he knew that when the truth about his actions or inactions during World War II in terms of not speaking out against the Holocaust became known, it would forever tarnish his legacy, that he needed God's mercy for his failings during World War II.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

There's certainly a theory offered that he knew that when the truth about his actions or inactions during World War II in terms of not speaking out against the Holocaust became known, it would forever tarnish his legacy, that he needed God's mercy for his failings during World War II.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

There's certainly a theory offered that he knew that when the truth about his actions or inactions during World War II in terms of not speaking out against the Holocaust became known, it would forever tarnish his legacy, that he needed God's mercy for his failings during World War II.

Fresh Air
The Battle For The Soul Of The Catholic Church

Well, he's really the hero of this book, but he is this roly-poly Italian man, balding, treasures his peasant roots, who suddenly finds himself thrust into the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. And he makes clear from the very start that, as you say, the grim sobriety of Pius's reign is over. He loves telling jokes. He loves mocking the idea of an infallible pope.