Paul Saladino
Appearances
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
How inspirational would it be to the country if Trump lost 20 pounds or 30 pounds? Because I'm super excited about this Make America Healthy Again movement, what Bobby's going to do. And so my pitch to Trump would be this.
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Hyper palatal and addicting. Yeah.
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
No, because I think that your energy should not need to come from a drink, right? Our, I think that when you have energy, it comes from the mitochondria of your cells working. Right. And I don't use energy drinks. I know that people need to use energy drinks, but energy drinks are in some ways a crutch, right?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's we're using something because we are feeling low, because we're having a crash in the afternoon, because we are not having enough energy, enough mental clarity, enough chutzpah, right?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Right.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Exactly. Why do you need an energy drink three times a day is the ultimate question there. Why do humans need so many energy drinks? Why are we so tired?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So like you said, in any of these drinks, you're going to find predictable ingredients. In the Monster, because this is not a low-calorie Monster, you're going to find water and sugar as the first ingredients. And look, humans need carbohydrates. And I want to get into sugar with you when it's good for humans and when it's bad for humans. We'll get into that later in the podcast.
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But after sugar, the ingredients here are essentially flavorings, caffeine, and a few vitamins. And these energy drinks are basically sweet ways to package caffeine and other sort of fake energy.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yes.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It does.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
You are. Okay. You are.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
How about a goat?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Okay, so first ingredient here is carbonated water. Carbonated water, pretty benign, right? You take a Pellegrino, carbonated water, no problem.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
We're done. Carbonated water, I have no problem with. Second ingredient is sugar. So maybe we need to have a little bit of a sugar conversation right now. Sugar is bad for humans, but not because of why you think it's bad for humans. When you strip sugar, which is sucrose, right? Sucrose is a disaccharide of glucose and fructose.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
When you strip that out of a fruit or out of honey, for instance, you are removing it from a very complex food matrix full of hundreds, if not thousands of other chemicals. And your body doesn't know what to do with pure sucrose. And the problem with pure sucrose is not that it raises your blood sugar.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
The problem with pure sucrose is that it causes overgrowth of the wrong type of bacteria in your gut. Because all of these other hundreds, if not thousands of chemicals that are in a banana or an orange or a strawberry or a blueberry or a raw organic honey actually temper the negative effects of sugar in your body. They prevent overgrowth of bacteria in your gut.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So whole foods are things that humans have been eating for decades. hundreds of thousands of years as homo sapiens and previously as millions of years as pre-hominid ancestors. And our body and our gut flora know what to do with these. Strawberries don't cause diabetes. Blueberries don't cause diabetes. And I would even say that raw honey doesn't cause diabetes.
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But sugar is a problem for humans because it affects your gut flora negatively, because it's devoid of all these chemicals, which are naturally occurring in strawberries, honey, etc., that are inherent in the whole fruit that are essential to balance the gut flora when you consume this. So when you consume pure sugar, you are causing dysbiosis in your gut.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And this gets a little technical, but dysbiosis in your gut leads to increased levels of endotoxin in your body. endotoxin is lipopolysaccharide. That is a gram-negative cell wall component. So gram-negative is a type of bacteria. There's gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria. And a component of the gram-negative bacterial cell wall is lipopolysaccharide.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
When you have too much lipopolysaccharide in your gut, it moves through the gut into your bloodstream, and you get something called metabolic endotoxemia. The same thing happens when you have high-fructose corn syrup. So high fructose corn syrup is made from corn.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
We can talk about that in conjunction with these multi-billion dollar corn lobbies that have forced producers to make, or I would say urged producers to make more high fructose corn syrup versus regular sugar. But any type of processed sugar I think is harmful for humans because it affects your gut flora negatively. And that leads to this complex term, which is metabolic endotoxemia.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And metabolic endotoxemia leads to dysfunctional metabolism, which is breaking your mitochondria. So ultimately, if we zoom way, way out and we look at human health, metabolic dysfunction, which is also known as insulin resistance, which can also lead to diabetes, it's on the spectrum of prediabetes. This is at the core of so many, I would say the vast majority of chronic disease in humans.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
90% of what we spend our healthcare dollars on in the United States is chronic illness. 90% of $4.3 trillion a year is on chronic illness, obesity, diabetes, autoimmune conditions, all of which are preventable or reversible based on what we eat and how we live.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So 90% of our healthcare dollars are going to treat, which isn't really treating, it's just kind of band-aiding, illnesses that are completely reversible and are related to things like this, are related to sugar and seed oils in our food. So if we go back to the monster, I'll just finish that one up, guys. Yeah, so we had sugar, and we talked a bit about why that's a problem.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
The next ingredient is glucose, and glucose is a monosaccharide.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
In animal studies, there are some evidence that there is some evidence that it looks like it is very addicting when it's pure sugar, yes. But strawberries are not addicting, right? Blueberries are not addicting in the same way that pure sugar is.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
That's okay.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But blueberries are so healthy for humans because of all these other compounds that come with it. And I don't think, like I said, in a whole food package, sugar is harmful for humans. Like I said, there is no evidence that honey even causes diabetes. There's actually a randomized controlled trial in humans with diabetics where they gave them up to 120 grams, which is almost...
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
seven to eight tablespoons of honey per day in diabetics, and their insulin sensitivity got better. So we can talk about all these nuances, but if someone has diabetes and you eat fruit or you eat sugar, your body is not going to handle that sugar well, but the fruit and the honey didn't make you diabetic.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It is these other ingredients in these foods that are making you diabetic, or it is processed sugar affecting your gut microbiome.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Not the second part. And I don't think somebody with diabetes needs to be eating a lot of honey. But I want people to understand that honey isn't what gave them diabetes. It's seed oils, which are rich in a omega-6 polyunsaturated fat called linoleic acid. And we'll get deep down the rabbit hole of seed oils. That linoleic acid accumulates in cell membranes and mitochondrial membranes.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And that, I think, is really ground zero for what's causing metabolic dysfunction. But broken mitochondria... which is what we're talking about here ultimately on this podcast, that is what makes people have chronic illness and metabolic dysfunction.
PBD Podcast
"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Okay. So then we have glucose. Again, glucose is a monosaccharide. Sugar, sucrose, is a disaccharide. It's fructose and glucose. Citric acid is a preservative. Natural flavors, we don't even know what that is, Pat. Natural flavors can be a lot of things. This is part of the problem with the FDA. This is... an illustration of how the Food and Drug Administration is captured.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
In the United States, you have over 10,000 ingredients in our food supply that have come into the food supply through the generally recognized as safe designation, the GRAS designation. And the companies that put these compounds into our food do not have to really do the proper safety trials. They can kind of grandfather them in.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And the FDA now allows those companies to say, yeah, we tested it, it's safe, when there really haven't been any safety trials. So we don't even know I don't even know what natural flavors is. Your grandmother doesn't know what that is.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
You have no idea what that is.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And when we're talking about this verbiage, seed oils have really been rebranded as vegetable oils, which is something we'll get to, right? So there's a euphemism there also. They're not a vegetable oil. They're a seed oil. But vegetable oils sounds healthy. Next, we're going on and we have taurine. So taurine is great. Taurine is a compound that occurs exclusively in animal foods.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's a type of amino acid that has been associated with longevity across species. So taurine is probably great for humans, but guess what?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
taurine is in meat taurine is in your steak and your hamburger and your chicken and you get taurine in animal foods there are no plant foods with taurine so that's a foreshadowing of the distinction between plant and animal foods for later in the podcast so there's nothing wrong with taurine sodium citrate is another type of preservative uh color added again we have no idea what that is what kind of coloring how it affects our mitochondria how it affects the gut that to me doesn't sound like a good thing period color artificial colors we know the food dyes are problematic yeah
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yeah.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I think that there's evidence that the ginseng may have some benefits in humans. I think Panax ginseng extract is one of the more benign things on this label so far. L-carnitine is, again, another type of amino acid that occurs naturally in foods. You can see the Latin root there, the carnal, the C-A-R-N. Carnitine and carnosine are naturally occurring in meat, and they're beneficial for humans.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
They're antioxidants. I would rather that someone just eat a steak, preferably grass-fed, grass-finished, to get carnitine, but it's not the worst thing. Yeah, then you have caffeine, and caffeine is an interesting one. So caffeine belongs to a series of compounds known as methylxanthines. Theobromine in chocolate is another type of methylxanthine, and these compounds make us...
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
They sort of give us energy in some ways, but they can also make us jittery. They can cause blood sugar swings. They affect adenosine receptors in the brain, and they sort of forestall the onset of feeling sleepy. They don't really do good things for the human body. Caffeine is not a vitamin. It's not essential for our biochemistry.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And I would argue that caffeine is sort of borrowing tomorrow's happiness today. This is an interesting expression. Alcohol could also be considered borrowing tomorrow's happiness today. You're taking your bank account and you're bringing it forward. You're saying, I'm tired and I'm going to use this chemical crutch to feel less tired.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And you know that later in the day when the caffeine wears off and your adenosine receptors are flooded with adenosine, you're going to feel more tired Because it's a methylxanthine, caffeine also causes loss of electrolytes in your body, so minerals like sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium. So caffeine does have negative sort of diuretic effects.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Do you drink coffee? I do not drink coffee. When's the last time you had coffee?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
19 years ago.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
19 years ago, yeah, when I was in physician assistant school before medical school.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But they have to put caffeine in there because that's why it gives you energy, right? That's why it gives you energy.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It is. These are all going to be exactly the same. So sorbic acid actually says preservative, Pat. They were forthcoming there. It's a preservative. Okay. Benzoic acid is a preservative. How much have these been studied in humans? Do we know if these are safe? Do we know how they affect gut flora? Not really. Certainly something your great-grandmother would never have eaten.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Niacinamide is a vitamin. It's essentially niacin, which is fine for humans. It's, again, found in many foods, both plant and animal foods. Sucralose is an artificial sweetener, and there are some pretty big problems with sucralose. There are many in the health space who would say that artificial sweeteners are benign for humans, but again, my great-grandmother would not recognize this.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And there are studies in animals and humans suggesting that when you consume artificial sweeteners like sucralose or aspartame or ACE-K, which is A-sulfame-K, with carbohydrates, it interferes with your body's normal insulin signaling.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So it's not terribly surprising to suggest that when you consume something that your body perceives as sweet but actually has no calories associated, that it would confuse your body at a neurological and metabolic level. Because historically, evolutionarily, humans have always consumed things that were sweet with calories. So honey has calories. A strawberry has calories. A raspberry has calories.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
A potato, right? A sweet potato. Anything you're eating has calories. So these artificial sweeteners are potentially neurometabolically confusing for the body. And we know that they change the gut flora potentially in a negative way. So I do not believe that artificial sweeteners are benign. And so again, we really have to ask the question, what is that doing to humans long-term? Salt is fine.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Sodium chloride is totally fine. D, glucuronolactone. I'm not terribly worried about that. Inositol, again, some people find inositol to be helpful. Guarana extract is a, it's actually a fruit extract, okay? Pyridoxine hydrochloride is, that's vitamin B6. Riboflavin is vitamin B2. Maltodextrin is another type of sugar. And the last ingredient is important to note.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's cyanocobalamin, which is a form of B12 that the human body doesn't really like. So there are multiple different types of B12.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's potentially problematic for the body. Why is that? Because the cyano is a cyanide moiety. So that's cyanide with your cobalamin. Cobalamin is vitamin B12, but cyano is cyanide. So it's a very small, small amount, but cyanide we know is a mitochondrial toxin.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And whether or not that amount of cyanide is actually problematic for humans remains to be seen, but it probably needs to be studied more. But I'll tell you this. there are many other forms of vitamin B12 they could put in there.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Methylcobalamin, adenosylcobalamin, hydroxycobalamin, which are not going to have any problems in the human body, but they choose to put cyanocobalamin because it's the cheapest. And so Celsius actually came under fire for this recently. So I've got a friend who actually called Celsius out for cyanocobalamin and That's kind of a big deal.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But all of these, if they have vitamin B12, will have cyanocobalamin. So all of them have the same thing? They all have cyanocobalamin, yes. There's not a single energy drink that I've ever seen that has methylcobalamin.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So Red Bull says calcium pantothenate?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
That's vitamin B5. That's pantothenic acid.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
That's cyanocobalamin. It is.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Across the board, cyanocobalamin.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
If Prime has B12, it's going to have Santa. Yeah, that's the same thing. Santa Cabal.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yeah.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Not a lot. amount of caffeine. Some of them are going to use more artificial sweeteners and less sugar, different food dyes. So this Gatorade is going to have some food dye in it. This monster, we didn't really see any food dyes. We did see artificial color, but they didn't tell us what it was. The Gatorade will list artificial colors. This may have a yellow dye in it. This has yellow number five.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So the Gatorade actually has one of these food dyes that are almost certainly problematic for humans.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Let's see. I don't drink these, so I have to look at every ingredient list. I'm sorry, guys. I mean, we can pull this up. It's actually pretty similar to what we've seen on these other ones. These forms of vitamins, some of which are okay, some of which are not great for humans. The vitamin water actually uses fruit and vegetable juices for color. So they're doing a little bit better here.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But again, it's not great. They say reverse osmosis water is the first ingredient. Great, they're giving us clean water. The second ingredient is crystalline fructose. So they have to make it sweet and they're using a pure fructose in this vitamin water. And the problem with this, so fructose and glucose are two monosaccharides. Fructose and glucose together are a disaccharide we know as sucrose.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Pure fructose does not occur anywhere in nature. You cannot get pure fructose in nature. Fructose always occurs with glucose. fruit is connected with this sort of fructose name, right? So fructose occurs in fruit. A strawberry has fructose. Honey contains fructose. Anything that has sucrose contains fructose.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So when they're making a pure fructose in this drink, you're creating something that humans have never seen. And we know very clearly from animal models that when you feed animals pure fructose, it causes dysbiosis in the gut. It causes overgrowth of the wrong type of bacteria in the gut.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Because in your gut, in your intestines, you need glucose and fructose together for these to be absorbed properly. This is what we've always done as humans. We never... There's no fructose tree, right? You can't just go out and consume pure fructose.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But in so many studies with fructose, they will give animals or humans pure fructose, and that gets malabsorbed, meaning more of it stays in the gut, and then you get this problem again, which is dysbiosis. So, so many things that we are eating are assailing our gut microbiome and changing the balance there.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I think the food dyes are a good place to start. And I think that, you know, again, right at this moment, we're really hitting the intersection of health policy and business. And that's a tough one because I don't really think anything here on the table is healthy. So if you're doing these things, you are certainly negatively impacting your body. Now, What's the relative effect of that?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Could you drink this twice a week and be okay? Probably, but it's cumulative, right? So if you're drinking vitamin water, you're probably also drinking a Monster a few times a week, and then you're probably eating Chips Ahoy once or twice. I'm not passing judgment. I'm just trying to paint a picture.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
You might be eating Pringles two or three times a week, and you're maybe cooking with seed oils or going to Chick-fil-A, which cooks in seed oils. You might be getting takeout one day a week from a Chinese restaurant. that cooks in soybean oil. So you see this is all cumulative. So any one of these things, could you eat two Oreos a week and probably not impact your quality of life? Yeah.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But at some point, it's all cumulative. And all of these things contain ingredients, especially the seed oils, which accumulate in our bodies. Some of these things contain ingredients that transiently affect our gut flora. But at some level, if you're consistently eating ultra-processed food with ingredients that
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
your lineage would not recognize from two or three generations ago, great grandmothers, you're essentially tonically, consistently affecting your physiology negatively.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So the interesting answer to this question is it's holistic, right? You kind of have to back up. And I can try and brainstorm in the moment and tell you what I would do if I needed more energy. But it's also, you said you come back from lunch and you're crashing. So I'm going to ask you, what did you eat for breakfast and what did you eat for lunch?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Because sometimes it's what you want to do for energy and sometimes it's things you should not be doing earlier in the day that are affecting your energy negatively. So the first thing I would say is how well did you sleep the night before, right? How much blue light did you have on your phone? How much TV did you watch? How long were you scrolling?
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How much did you completely disrupt your circadian rhythm before you went to sleep? How dark is your bedroom? Is it really dark? Or is it a lot of lights in which are changing your sleep quality? Because if you have a bad night of sleep, and again, you start to see that this really is all connected. Everything is connected here. It's hard to say this one thing is the answer.
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But if you had a bad night of sleep, you're really not going to feel great. You're not going to be as intelligent, as clear thinking as you possibly could be. So from the get-go, you are going to wake up cranky, foggy in your brain. You're going to crave junk foods. And if that's what's in your house, you're going to eat some Oreos. You're going to eat some Chips Ahoy.
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You're going to drink a Monster or a Celsius before you go to work. And you've essentially already set yourself up for a 2 p.m. crash. There's really nothing you could do to avoid that. And then you're on this hamster wheel. You're on this vicious cycle. You cannot avoid that 2 p.m. crash. So you have to do things as well as you can throughout the day.
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And I'm not trying to paint a picture that's impossible for people to do. I just want people to understand that it's connected with everything you do.
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Okay, yes. And then I'll answer your question about a natural form of energy. Yes, please. So I think liquid calories and soda, that's a great place to start. You've seen it work. Stop drinking soda, number one, right? But that means diet soda too. So stop drinking any type of soda.
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No soda. No diet soda, no regular soda. And I think in connection with that, why not get rid of the energy drinks, right? So no soda, no energy drinks. What you are drinking is water, spring water, carbonated water, Pellegrino, or a fresh-pressed juice. And I think it's fine to drink an orange juice if it's fresh-pressed. You want a good quality orange juice.
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Yeah, you want it to be as good as possible. There was recently some stuff that came out, and again, I'm not trying to make this impossible for people. Some stuff came out about some of these packaged orange juices with high levels of PFAs, which are forever chemicals in the juice. So yeah, you want to get a juicer. You want to make your own juice.
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You can add some cucumber juice in there, whatever you want. Liquids should be water. We can talk about tea and the potential upsides and downsides of tea. I just did a post on this. So some tea bags actually release a significant amount of microplastics into the water. But let's just start with the liquids, right? So just cut out soda and energy drinks, and you're doing amazing.
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Then you want to think about this kind of stuff, snacks. So don't do any of these kind of snacks, right? Any snack between meals has to be fruit or something that's less problematic.
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Read the ingredients.
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Kirkland Dry Roasted Almonds.
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What's the last thing on that list? Peanut oil. It's a seed oil. Okay. So that's a problem for humans. Got it. Yeah. Because almonds and salt, right? Those are ingredients your great-grandmother would recognize. Peanut oil, no. She would not know what that is. Got it. Okay. So again, yeah, and we'll break down the whole seed oil thing because it's very contentious.
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Right, right, right.
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Snacks. For level two, snacks should be things like fruit or cheese. Again, so make your snacks...
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things that you're great cheese cheese yeah what kind of cheese you know there's a lot of good cheeses out there not craft singles right not american cheese because it's not actually really cheese they can't call it cheese but if you go to the grocery store and you buy any cheese that's actually really cheese that's much better than any of this right now unless you mean like be specific cheddar cheese monster cheddar cheese what brand i
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I mean, I would love a raw cheddar cheese. You know, if you really want to get good on cheese, let's have a raw cheese.
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Yeah, so this one, I like this one down there. You saw it from Raw Farm. They have a raw cheddar cheese. Yeah, I know these guys. I've been to their farm in California. I've seen them. So I've been to the farm that makes this. I've been to their dairy. This is good. This is great. Okay. I've been to their processing. I've seen this cheese being made, which is why I like them.
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I think when you get to tier three, you have to start thinking about removing processed foods from your meals and cutting out fast food at your meals. So we started with drinks. We went to snacks. Then let's go to your meals. You got to stop eating junk food and fast food at your meals. So tier three would be don't ever eat at a processed food, fast food restaurant for your meals.
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So there's a couple of ways you can hack this. If you go to a fast food restaurant and you get a burger without the bun and without the sauce, you can get lettuce and tomatoes, but don't get the burger with the bun because the bun has, in many cases, 40 to 50 ingredients in a bun, Pat. It's crazy. You can't go to Chick-fil-A.
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So Chick-fil-A is completely off the menu, but you can actually go to Five Guys. I was in the airport yesterday, and A guy said, hey, I just went to Five Guys and I said, okay, what'd you get? And he said, I got a burger with just lettuce and tomatoes. Like, that's great. That's actually not bad. A lot of these restaurants don't cook the hamburgers in seed oils. They're cooking it on a griddle.
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It's good to be here. Thank you for having me.
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They're cooking it in the animal fat. Look, the meat in that burger could be better quality. We're just painting a continuum here. But if you get the burger without the bun and you just get like animal style burger, that's not the right terminology. It's just like the paleo burger, whatever.
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No bun, no sauce, because all the sauces at these places have high fructose corn syrup or these pure sugars that are harmful for the gut or they have seed oils. You can do okay. So if you're absolutely in a rush, you can go to In-N-Out and get five burgers and lettuce and tomato. I'm not a fan of the cheese because it's going to be American cheese and that has its own issues.
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But look, if you get a burgers at In-N-Out with American cheese, you're doing way better than the fries cooked in peanut oil and you're doing way better than the bun.
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I think at tier four, we're starting to go to grocery stores for the majority of our food and you're actually cooking for yourself most of the time. And at that point, you can start to think, okay, I'm going to eat the majority of my food as single ingredient foods. That's such a powerful level, Pat. So if you eat most of your food as foods without labels- you're going to be healthy, hands down.
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It's impossible not to be healthy. As long as you're eating some meat and some plants, you're going to be healthy eating single ingredient foods. And these are things like meat. I don't care what kind, chicken, fish, pork. Yeah. Any of these foods are fine. Eggs, milk, even if it's, I'm a fan of raw milk. That's a whole separate conversation, but you want to do regular milk, fine.
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But single ingredient foods, that's so powerful. So I would say tier four is do 60 to 70% of your food as single ingredient foods. Now that comes with an onus and that is the responsibility that you have to cook these things.
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And you have to prepare.
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No, I'm pretty friendly. Yeah, unless you cross me.
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Well, is tier five the ultimate? If you have another one, we can go to. It's up to you.
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So tier five.
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five is just eating eating very very well right and then tier six and seven might be thinking about the lifestyle i'm just i'm food focused so we've we've only thought about food we can keep going in terms of the lifestyle stuff later but just think about your food i want people to have like you said i like this perspective let's make it simple and straightforward hey guys i am paul saladino you can find me on my neck if you have any questions about diet health recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease i'm excited to connect with you guys all there and i'll see you in there
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So sleep, so the two biggest levers, I think, for humans are food and sleep. And sleep is a huge thing and it's often underrated. It's not sexy. It's almost become sexy to say that I don't need sleep. And I think that a lot of people could perform better if they had more sleep. I don't know how Donald Trump does it. He's a force of nature. I've heard he sleeps four to five hours a night.
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I can't do it, right? I can't do it. I mean, you and I were in DC for the inauguration. I went to a ball one night. I was up until 1.30 in the morning. I went to the Maha ball the next night. I was up until 1.30 in the morning. That is not my normal at all. I never do this. So my circadian rhythm was completely messed up.
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But most of the time, my intention is to get to sleep at the same time of night every night. So getting a specific bedtime, it doesn't have to be a certain time, but you want it to be about the same every night. You don't want to really vary when you go to sleep. So if you want to go to sleep at 10 or 10.30, go to sleep then and make that your consistent bedtime.
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Most of the time I'm in Costa Rica, I go to sleep around 8 or 8.30. I go to sleep very early because the sun goes down at 6. I'm by the equator and I have two hours of darkness before I go to sleep. And I'm thinking about the lights in my house. And we'll talk about lights in a minute. But then I'm getting up whenever my body wants to get up. A lot of people have to do alarms, but...
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99 plus percent of humans really benefit from getting seven to eight hours of sleep a night. We have to do that. And I know that there are constraints, children and all of these demands on our time. But if you can get seven to eight hours of sleep every night, you're going to show up better for your family, for your kids. You're going to be kinder to your spouse.
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You're going to be more patient with your children. You're going to be better at your job. There are studies that people who sleep more earn more because you're so much more productive and you're so much sharper and better at your job. When I was in medical school, there was this culture of, I'm going to pull an all-nighter. That's the worst thing that I could have ever done.
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And I don't think I ever did it once in medical school because you're not going to do as well as you think you're going to do on the test. You don't need to study more. You need for your brain to sleep. We just, we require sleep as humans. So protecting your sleep is so critical. And that means having bright lights during the day and darkness at night.
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So bright days and dark nights, that is a pattern that is associated with longevity. But you think about what we, where we live now as humans, we live in like eternal gray and we're starting to get into lifestyle. So it's a shift for people to think about, but how many of us are spending a significant amount of time outdoors? We spend 94 plus percent of our time indoors as humans.
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And in your car counts as indoors because we, None of the infrared radiation from the sun is benefiting you when you're behind those glass windows in your car. So it's really this whole huge shift. But we need to be outdoors more during the day. And you want to start your day with bright sunlight in your eyes. You want to get outdoors. And I'm not saying look directly at the sun.
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I'm not telling people to harm their eyes. I'm just saying you need to be outdoors without sunglasses on in the morning. This is how you set your circadian rhythm. Let's talk about the sleep.
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1%, 2%, 5%, 7%.
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No, it's not.
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But I want to work with him, Pat. This is the ultimate goal. Like, how incredible would it be? You think he's going to listen to you? I hope so. I don't know if he would, but I would love to see him.
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It's very rare. It's very rare. Like I said, less than 1% of the population.
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I can see it being less than 1%. Yeah, very rare. Maybe Trump has it. I hope he does. Because we need him to function well. We need Elon to function well. We need Vivek and J.D. Vance. We need these guys to function well. But yeah, I hope that at some point, I get to help these guys lose weight. I'll just say this because I think it would be so cool.
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How inspirational would it be to the country if Trump lost 20 pounds or 30 pounds? Because I'm super excited about this Make America Healthy Again movement and what Bobby's going to do. But to work with JD or to work with Trump, like millions and millions of Americans would be so inspired if they lost weight. And so my pitch to Trump would be this. Mr. President, you never have to eat a salad.
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I can help you lose 30 pounds and you get to eat steak and apples and fruit. Funny.
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That's as close as I can get.
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Orange soda in the background.
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So let me tell you about this photo. Let's hear it. I went to D.C. for Maha, and I brought Bobby food. And I, you know, I, they, the security wouldn't let me actually hand him a bag, but I gave him a bag of food, the same kind of stuff I brought for you. And I'm not here to plug my products. I don't care about this, but I brought him these things.
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I brought him jerky with just grass fed meat and vinegar and salt. I brought him protein powder from, this is a company that I built called Lineage. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, and again, I'm not trying to plug my products. I just, I brought these for you to try right now. So I brought these for Bobby.
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I brought this to DC for him and I gave his security a bag of this stuff because I wanted him to have healthy foods on the go because I never want this to happen to Bobby again. I never want him to get stuck. I never want another photo like this to happen with Bobby in my lifetime. You should try this one too. So those are meat sticks that you're eating.
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And look at the, I mean, read the ingredients on that, Pat. Like, we were reading ingredients, you know?
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Oh, you can read, let's start with the air-dried steak because it's so simple. Just one? Yeah, look at the ingredients on that.
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With the Make America Healthy Again movement, I think what I'm most excited about is reform in all the government agencies. What I do is create nutritional content, which is bottom-up, grassroots. But we have this incredible moment in our history where the government, maybe top-down, things might get better. And we can talk about it and drill down on any of these ideas.
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Just the ingredients below that.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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They would recognize it. And that was the reason I built this company was to kind of fight back against big food by making foods like this more convenient for people.
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Because the quality of the meat is so good. It's air dried.
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It's amazing.
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And again, this is like, it's grass-fed, grass-finished meat. So this is possible. I want people to understand this is possible. Where can people find this? It's online. It's lineageprovisions.com. Okay, let's put the link.
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Yeah.
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64 grams of protein in that, in that bag. 64 grams. Oh my God, it's delicious. Of animal protein. Yeah, I'll get you more. Wow.
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It's very disruptive. So phones, again, we're getting a different rabbit hole, but this is fascinating. Phones are very addictive and they're very problematic for sleep for a number of reasons. on your phone at night. It's a very small phone, so your eyeballs have to focus in on it. And it's flickering. Phones flicker around 480 hertz, so 480 cycles per second.
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And that flicker rate, I think, is particularly disruptive for the human circadian rhythm and our sympathetic nervous system. You know at night when you're on the highway and the police come by, and maybe they don't even have their sirens on, but you see their lights flickering? You are drawn to that like a moth to a flame.
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But the FDA has been captured. The Food and Drug Administration, the USDA has been captured. The NIH, the National Institutes of Health, captured. And they're all kind of in the pocket of big pharma and industrial food companies.
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The human eye, the human brain is drawn to flickering lights like nothing else. We cannot ignore it. This is Vegas, right? You have flickering neon lights. You can't look away. And so this is purposefully designed in the phone to keep your attention on the phone. And that flickering light is, I think, disruptive for our sympathetic nervous system. This is the fight or flight nervous system.
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Flickering lights, not at the phone level, but like flickering lights are used in medicine to induce seizures in humans in those patients that are susceptible to epilepsy. So flickering lights we know can be stressful for the human body, can be stressful for our nervous system. And we are, almost all of us, and I'm not immune from this, right?
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Are looking at our phones right before we go to sleep and we are looking at flickering lights and it is affecting our nervous system and is affecting your sleep. You should be able to go to sleep, to get in your bed and fall asleep within five minutes, 30 minutes, you should be out. If you are laying in bed asleep and you cannot fall asleep, there is a problem with something in your life.
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It could be your diet. It could be your light environment. But I would encourage people to think about light as a food also and light as a nutrient. And when you are ready and you want to clean up your light environment... It is so powerful for your life.
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Well, your phone shouldn't be next to your bed. It definitely should be on airplane mode. You should be charging it away from your bed. You should not have your phone sitting next to your bed. I mean, this gets into the conversation around EMF, right? So RF, EMF, radio frequency EMF is what's coming out of your phone and what's coming out of your Wi-Fi router. But by far,
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By far, the biggest exposure that humans get to radio frequency EMF is from your phone. So you look at my phone, you see how it's on airplane mode? Everywhere I go, I don't need to be on my phone right now, we're doing a podcast, but everywhere I go, unless I'm on the phone, my phone is on full airplane mode because I don't want to be exposed to extra RF EMF. And this is a very contentious issue.
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And that's really led to inordinate amounts of confusion in the public sphere about what is healthy, how to get healthy, how to lose weight, and what food choices to make. And so at a governmental top-down level, which is something I never thought I would see in my lifetime, we have this incredible opportunity to reform those agencies and actually start teaching people
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I've talked about this and gotten fact-checked and censored, and people will say RF EMF is non-ionizing. It's not harmful for humans. Mm-hmm. And there are literally hundreds, potentially more than a thousand studies on radiofrequency EMF suggesting that it could have damage to human tissues.
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Not at the same level that an x-ray would be or something that's ionizing, but at the level of receptors and channels and ions in the cells and DNA damage and low levels of oxidative stress. So the issue is this. We simply do not know how harmful this is to humans long term. We don't have the studies. And cell phone companies are really suppressing this data.
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And they're not really looking for this in an enthusiastic manner. So there is evidence in humans, this is associational observational evidence, that men who walk around with their cell phones in their pockets have lower sperm counts and lower sperm motility.
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And there's evidence in a Petri dish that if you put a cell phone and you put sperm in a Petri dish above the cell phone, that the sperm motility changes and they look like they're not as healthy.
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Don't put your sperm in a Petri dish. That's what I'm saying.
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That's fine with me. Let me know what you guys find. Let me do a video of this.
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Yeah, yeah. No, but there's evidence of this, and I can send you the study if you want to put it in the show notes.
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You feel something. You probably need to see a psychiatrist. No, I'm joking. That's what somebody would say, that you're crazy. But I've had this subjective experience also. If you look online, a lot of people feel this. When they're holding your phone, you feel something in your hand. What is it? It's probably related to these RF, so radio frequency, EMF. that energy coming off your phone.
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Starting with school lunches and the USDA nutritional dietary guidelines, what real food looks like and what really is healthy, and it's not that complicated at all. It's so simple.
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So RF EMF, this is like, your phone is essentially a little microwave, Pat. I can take an EMF meter and show you the RF EMF coming off your microwave, which is essentially exactly the same frequency coming out of your phone. It's the same. Your phone is a little microwave.
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And the problem with this radiation is that when you have a lot of it, it heats tissues up, but at a low level, we really fully don't know what this is doing to...
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all of these cells in your hand or on your head and your ear or your salivary glands in your mouth or in your testicles if you're carrying your phone next to your balls or a woman carrying her phone next to her ovaries or in a sports bra next to mammary endocrine tissue in the breast. We do not know what this does long term.
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So I hate when people say you're getting older. So this is the response. This is the party line in medical school. Your patients are getting bullshit. It's absolute bullshit. It's not that you're getting—if your doctor ever tells you because you're getting older, you've got to find a new doctor. It's because of something you're doing in your life most of the time.
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With nocturia, which is nighttime urination, there are a couple of things that can happen. You can have a prostate issue. The prostate can start to get a little more swollen, which is not a normal thing to happen. Like if you are a healthy human, your prostate should not be getting swollen in your 40s and 50s.
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And also, I think that if you want to pee less at night, it is important to drink the majority of your water in the first 10 hours of the day, water, fluid at all. So if you get up, say you get up at 6 a.m., you really want to be done with the majority of your water by 4 p.m. Oh, wow. Yeah, 4 p.m.
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If you got up at 6 a.m. So first 10 hours of the day, you want most of your fluid. And, you know, really independent, and I did a piece of content about this on my Instagram. and I think I did a YouTube video about it also, it doesn't really matter your body weight. Humans need about the same amount of fluid every day.
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It really is about eight to 10 glasses of water, but it can also be other fluids. So in a day, I'll drink raw milk, I'll drink orange juice that's fresh squeezed, and I'll drink water. And it really is about eight to 10 glasses of fluid per day, but that can be mixed, right?
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It doesn't have to just be pure water, but you want to get the majority of that in the first 10 hours of the day and then taper off toward the end of the day. And then you have to remember, like I said earlier, caffeine is a diuretic. and some other foods are diuretics. So if you're drinking your coffee at 2 p.m. because you're getting the lull, you're going to have peeing at night.
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The other thing to understand about caffeine is this, and I didn't mention it earlier, and I'm glad I'm thinking about it now. The half-life of caffeine is about five hours, which means that if you drink coffee at noon and you go to sleep at 10 p.m., about a quarter of the caffeine is still in your system.
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So imagine that you drink coffee at noon and you still have, say you have one cup of coffee at noon, it's 200 milligrams of caffeine, which is normal. That's like a big glass of coffee at Starbucks. You have one big Starbucks at noon, a quarter of that caffeine, 50 milligrams of caffeine is still in your system affecting your sleep architecture when you go to sleep at 10 p.m.
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So it's important to understand that caffeine sticks with you. In order to get rid of a substance in medicine and pharmacokinetics, we think four and a half half-lives. If the half-life of coffee is five hours, give or take, you would need upwards of 16 to 18 hours to get rid of all that caffeine. And there's only 24 hours in the day. Yeah.
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So the concern for me is that a lot of people are drinking coffee too late in the day and that that is affecting your sleep architecture negatively.
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Do you do caffeine?
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But do you do caffeine now? Do you drink things with caffeine? Is that caffeinated tea?
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All right.
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Okay.
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So just so I know, because I've never had an Arnold Palmer, there's no alcohol in this drink.
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Yes. So can we talk about tea for a minute? Sure. Please go for it. So I did a reel about this recently and it went pretty viral. So I want to mention this to people. you need to know what's in the tea bags because some tea bags release massive amounts of microplastics into your tea.
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And they're making iced tea, so they're not brewing it with hot water, presumably, which may make a big difference in a positive way. But when people are making hot tea, anytime you're putting hot water onto plastic, it's a very bad idea. But I was really surprised to learn that even the cellulose tea bags use some sort of plastic to seal the bag.
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Well, you know that the U.S. and New Zealand are the only two companies in the world that allow pharma advertising on television. It's just an insane thing. Why is a drug company circumventing your doctor? That relationship is sacrosanct. Why is a drug company getting to tell you what you should be asking your doctor about it? I'm a doctor. I'm a traditionally trained medical doctor.
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The worst tea bag in the study were the plastic tea bags. Have you seen these? They're kind of like... pyramidal teabags. They're kind of fancy teabags. Yeah, of course. They're made from plastic. And those teabags released a massive amount of microplastics. Microplastics have gotten a lot of press recently. They're in our testicles. They're in our ovaries. They're in our brains. Right.
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There's some non-zero amount. Yes, those teabags. Yep. those release, according to the study, billions of plastics of microparticles into a tea that you're brewing. So that looks really fancy, right? Like that plastic tea pyramid looks very fancy, but that is a very big problem in terms of microplastics. And again, throughout this podcast, I just want to say this to people. perfect.
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Do not let perfect be the enemy of good. I'm just giving you guys ideas and people can incorporate them however they want in their life. I'm not trying to make an impossible standard for people, but I think knowledge is power. Know better, do better. So know what's in your teabag and use teabags that are lower microplastic.
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Or I think if you're going to have tea, use a loose leaf tea that you are brewing in a tea basket. Have you seen these like stainless steel tea baskets? You can use a loose leaf tea. That would be the best way to do tea because tea is a pretty big exposure for people in microplastics, and I was not aware of this until I found this article recently.
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So I'm hoping your Arnold Palmer is probably not the worst thing in the world because it's iced tea, right? But sometimes people make iced tea, they brew it with hot water, and then they chill it. So if you're actually making iced tea and you're just using a teabag and cold water, you're going to release less microplastics. It's okay.
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The problem with the Arnold Palmer is when are you drinking it in the day and how much caffeine is it? And is that affecting your sleep architecture negatively? And the only way to really know this is to do something like an aura ring or a subjective analysis of this and say, how do I feel without caffeine if I'm sleeping? How does my sleep feel in terms of restorative quality?
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It could be affecting your sleep quality negatively, but I'm glad you're not drinking a monster after 6 p.m.
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So when a patient comes to your office and says, doctor, I want this drug. it's kind of hard for the doctor to say no if the drug is in some way indicated. It puts a lot of pressure on the doctor that they shouldn't have. And it's not the right way to do things.
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So I'm going to look at this, but I would also have to see the food that you're eating in a day, right? Because food is primary for me.
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What's the protein drink?
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I hope there's no natural flavors in there, Pat.
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I'm going to send you the protein from Lineage. So this company, we also make a protein powder.
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And I made it so that I would drink it.
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It's super clean. So let's find it.
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And then we're going to compare. If we can, and we'll get to your vitamins, we're going to compare the ingredients in your protein to like the Lineage protein that I'm going to send you. This is what you drink?
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Oh, Pat. All right.
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Okay. So first ingredient, filtered low-fat grade A milk. We can talk about it. I think milk fat is very beneficial for humans, and you want whole milk if you're drinking milk, preferably you want a raw milk or an A2 milk. We'll get to all that. There's a lactase enzyme in here, which is for people that are lactose intolerant. I have no problem with that. Sea salt, we're doing great.
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But then, Pat, we get to ACE-K, which is asulfame potassium. And they wrote it out as asulfame potassium. They didn't say ACE-K. So that's an artificial sweetener in here. And we go back to the artificial sweetener little bit that I mentioned earlier. We really don't know that these are safe for humans.
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They definitely affect your gut flora and they're potentially affecting neurometabolically how your body responds to insulin and how your body manages calories. So I think that you need to not have any artificial sweeteners in your diet. And there's one in your chocolate protein drink. The next ingredient is very interesting. It's carrageenan. And this is a problem for humans.
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So carrageenan, there's recently been some articles talking about carrageenan. It's a sulfated polysaccharide derived from algae. But the problem is that in the processing of carrageenan, there are breakdown products of carrageenan that look to be quite harmful for the human gut. So I don't think carrageenan should be in any of our foods. It's a form of a thickener. It's used to make this thicker.
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And a lot of times doctors who on average get around seven to eight minutes with every patient in this insurance-driven model that really hamstrings doctors in a way that's very strange and limits their amount of care time with every patient, A lot of doctors are kind of stuck and just say, I just need to get the patient.
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So it feels like a milkshake. But carrageenan is quite potentially damaging your gut. Yeah. Next ingredient is monk fruit juice concentrate. Look, in terms of sweeteners, that's probably the most benign, but I still have some issues with monk fruit sweetener. Maltodextrin is essentially a form of sugar. You have cellulose gum, which is also... Probably not great for your gut.
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Stevia leaf extract, I'm not a fan of. Even stevia, I think, is not great for humans, but we can talk about why. Sucralose is another artificial sweetener. And then you have vitamin A palmitate, which is sort of a food form of vitamin A. I would rather you just get vitamin A from egg yolks. or other forms of vitamin A. And then you have D3, and that's it.
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So we have the biggest offenders in here are the artificial sweeteners, so Ace K and sucralose, the gums, so cellulose gum, and carrageenan. So the reason you drink this, presumably, is to get protein. So I think protein shakes are great for people on the go. You can make this much cleaner. And the other thing to consider, and again, I don't want people to say that I'm just making this impossible.
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It's in plastic, right? So... How long has it been sitting on the shelf? Microplastics?
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They probably don't make any of them.
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What is he cooking? What oils does he cook in?
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I'm going to call him right now. Oh, boy.
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Let's do it.
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Because I love that you're eating. If lunch and dinner, Pat, are basically protein and vegetables, we're great.
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I just need to give the patient something so they walk out of my office happy, which isn't the way it should be. But that's the situation we've created for doctors. So to stop pharma advertising would simply be incredible. It would be a really great step in the right direction. And whatever... companies go out of business, they should be out of business in the first place.
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Avocado oil is not a seed oil. So it's better than seed oils. We can talk about potential problems with avocado.
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I would be curious to see the actual avocado oil he's using, but what I would recommend he cook in for you, so the ideal, would be an animal fat.
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A tallow. Which is like a butter. A butter or a ghee or a tallow. Butter. Better than avocado oil.
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Yeah. It sounds pretty good off the top of my head. I mean, it sounds like he's making the food from single-ingredient foods, which is great. It's amazing.
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Okay.
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She's been following you. Thank you.
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They shouldn't actually exist, I don't think.
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Not bad. I mean, I think pretty good. So you're focusing on single ingredient foods, meat, plants, right? And you're not eating a lot of this stuff and you're not eating, you know, I think that the first thing I would do is replace the thing you're doing in the morning. The protein drink. That protein shake needs to get better.
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And you can have a protein drink in the morning, but we're going to make it for you differently with a better protein powder. with simple ingredients.
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Right, right, right. Can you do me a favor? Can you pull up the lineage protein? I just want to show you the ingredients in our protein versus that one. Again, people can buy whatever protein they want, but I think this is the standard and why I'm so proud of it.
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One of those below should be the ingredients, and we'll pull it up.
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That one, yeah. So this is what's in our protein, right?
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So 100% grass-fed beef protein, organic maple syrup powder, grass-fed beef organs, which is liver, heart, kidney, spleen, pancreas, organic date powder, coconut water powder, grass-fed colostrum, which is beneficial for the gut, fruit and berry blend, which is blackberries, black currants, grapes, pomegranates, blueberry, cranberry, raspberry, et cetera, and sea salt. So what's not here?
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Sucralose, Ace K, carrageenan, no seed oils. There's actually no real artificial sweeteners. There's absolutely no artificial sweeteners. There's no binders. This is what you want in a protein.
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I think it's 22 or 23.
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You can zoom in there. 20 plus grams.
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If a protein shake like this works for you, and that one has 42 grams of protein, so you might do a scoop and a half of ours, right? Or two scoops of ours. You want that much protein to go? That's great. And if you really wanted to make it amazing, you could add some raw milk in there, which I think is incredible. There's a great producer here in Florida. Raw milk.
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Raw milk.
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Yeah, and we can talk about raw milk if you want, but you don't have to do it. Some people are sensitive to lactose and might not want to do that. But you can put the protein powder in juice. You can put it in water. But getting some protein in the morning is great. And I think that upgrading your protein shake would be huge. And again, people don't have to buy this one.
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I want people to understand the simplicity of ingredients in protein powder. And if your protein powder has ingredients that, again, your ancestors would not recognize, be skeptical.
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Okay.
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Amazing.
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Is a goat acceptable?
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Bye. The one thing I'll point out here, this is an interesting conversation, is the turmeric. I'm not a huge fan of turmeric. And I think that people use it as a band-aid. So there's some evidence for turmeric with osteoarthritis pain, but a lot of studies on turmeric have been fairly underwhelming.
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And there is some evidence that turmeric and the active ingredient in turmeric, curcumin, actually lower androgens in men. So they lower testosterone and other sex hormones in men. That was a prostate cancer study. So that might not be a good thing. When it comes to turmeric, what I tell people is don't cover your inflammation with a supplement. Understand what is causing your inflammation.
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I think that we are thinking about inflammation wrong.
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What, she was wearing a bra or something?
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Oh, that's so hilarious. I think that a lot of men end up on TRT too quickly. Yeah. So in terms of men, testosterone is super valuable. Your brain tells your testicles to make testosterone. And a lot of men end up on TRT because they're not sleeping and eating well. And if you aligned your sleep and your eating, your testosterone will come back up. So there's a really...
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Perfect example of this is residency. So after medical school, we go through residency, and there are long periods in residency where you don't sleep a lot. And for a lot of men and a lot of male doctors, their testosterone plummets in residency because they're only sleeping four or five hours a night.
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The problem here is, of course, that that gives a signal to your brain, all the stress gives a signal to your brain that your testicles don't need to be producing or shouldn't be producing as much testosterone. So if a man, and the rates of this are climbing, has low testosterone, I would say... Look at your lifestyle, look at your sleep, and look at your diet first.
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And a lot of times, improving those things and eating more animal foods, which contain many, many nutrients essential for optimal testosterone production, will result in your testosterone coming back up. Getting your testosterone from your testicles is the best thing you could do.
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If you absolutely need testosterone in terms of supplementation, I think men should do it and they should talk to a qualified provider.
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No, I don't.
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No, I've never done it. And this is interesting because I'm 47. Okay. And my testosterone is eight to 900 nanograms per deciliter. And I'm proud of that. And I show my labs all the time. I show my gonadotropins, which are the signals from my brain to prove that I'm not on TRT. The LH and FSH will be suppressed if you're taking TRT. So I've done this.
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I've shown my blood work because people sometimes say like, you're on TRT. And no, I'm not. I've never taken it.
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You can look at the gonadotropins, so you can just get blood work for LH, which is luteinizing hormone, and FSH. Those are the signals from the pituitary gland to the testicles. So you can test to see if people are on TRT. And it's very obvious when someone is, at least in terms of their blood work, you can tell. But if a man needs it,
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So I think that I'll give you a maxim that I think is very simple for people in the health conversation about how to select a food that's healthy. And we can go from there because your question is well taken. It's very difficult to know who to listen to. So just think about it this way.
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You know, some of these operators come back from overseas and war and they have damaged testicles from concussive injuries or people can have PTSD with traumatic brain injury. And sometimes the signals are not coming from the brain. Sometimes the testicles are actually physically damaged in rugby injuries or football injuries. Fine. But a lot of men end up on TRT.
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And this is a symptom of the overall problem, which is the fact that we are not eating and sleeping well.
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Okay, so we've got nicotine pouches. Yes. Vape. Yep. Marijuana. Yep. Cigarettes and cigars. Yes. I think cigars are the least risky.
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Okay.
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Yeah. I'm not a fan of vaping. There are oils in the vape that have been linked to certain types of pneumonia in the lungs. And I just think vaping is gross and people shouldn't be doing it. Cigarettes are obviously horrible because the tobacco is full of pesticides and other additives. The marijuana is linked to all sorts of hormonal issues in humans. It lowers androgens in men.
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I think that for most people, marijuana is very clearly a negative thing in their life. And then the pouches, I mean, look, nicotine occurs naturally in the human body, but they're quite addictive. And I think that they're sort of the next epidemic of people kind of messing with their neurotransmitters and these signaling molecules in the human body in a not great way.
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And you asked me for the best one. I'm not saying... Cigars are great, but if you actually have a high-quality tobacco leaf without a lot of pesticides, I think it's the most benign of anything in there. I don't smoke. I don't even smoke cigars. But if you want to have a cigar every once in a while, it's a different actual entity than a cigarette from Marlboro.
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When you see food in a grocery store, wherever you're eating food, because people eat food in grocery stores, they eat food in convenience stores, they eat food in fast food restaurants. The first rule is, Just eat a single-ingredient food. If you're eating meat and eggs and milk and fruit and vegetables, you will be healthy.
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No.
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It's probably the least harmful of the five.
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I would say the worst is probably cigarettes. Okay. Yeah.
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You know, like I said, nicotine occurs naturally in the human body. It is a neurotransmitter. And I think that there may be some studies that suggest that it affects the brain in a positive way, but there's always other side effects, right? So when you introduce exogenous nicotine, when you introduce excess nicotine,
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akin to what happens with marijuana, because cannabinoids occur naturally in the human body, there are other downstream effects in the human body. And I think that to say that nicotine supplementation or these pouches is net positive, that's a stretch. Yes, it might make you more alert.
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Yes, there may be some data for nicotine with regard to dementia, but I think it's going to have other negative effects in the human body. It can raise blood pressure, increase your heart rate. It's not a benign substance to be just using without caution. And I think that these pouches are quite addictive. And let's be honest, they're used as a drug. There's no question.
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They're absolutely used as a drug. These are drugs.
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Yeah.
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I mean, show me the person who eats single-ingredient foods and is not healthy. Secondly, if you're eating a food with a label on it, with an ingredient label, if your great-grandmother would not recognize any of the ingredients on that label, put it down. And beyond that, you're going to do pretty darn good.
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There are a number of studies. I think there are over 50, and they're all observational, associational studies. You can't really do an interventional study with this. But I believe there are over 50 studies that are associating increasing levels of fluoride with lower amounts of IQ in kids, which is scary because humans don't need fluoride in the water.
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The reason fluoride is in the water is because our diets are so bad. So putting fluoride in the water, it's debatable. There may actually be a potentially lower IQs. And the reason kids are getting so much tooth decay is because of all these things that we're feeding kids. And I would argue kids are having so much tooth decay because of a lack of fat-soluble vitamins in their diet.
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So when I talk about eating fruit, when I talk about fruit juice, when I talk about honey, sometimes people say, but isn't that going to increase decay in my teeth? And I'll say, no, it won't if you are eating meat, if you are eating animal foods.
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So the full etiology, the picture with tooth decay and cavities, is having excess sugar in your diet with an absence or a deficiency of vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin A, and vitamin K2. The fat-soluble vitamins, which occur in animal foods predominantly, are essential for the odontoblasts, which are the immune cells in your teeth.
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So I'm not telling people that they should just eat fruit or just eat honey, but if you are not getting fat-soluble nutrients in your food, which a lot of kids are deficient in because of either financial constraints or time constraints or their parents don't understand these things, then it is ultimately that fat-soluble nutrient deficiency that is leading to cavities in humans.
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Well, you can filter the water, but it has to be reverse osmosis. So a Brita filter doesn't get fluoride out. You have to do reverse osmosis in your house to get rid of the fluoride. But I don't think we want fluoride in the water. There are definitely some places in the world where the water has a little bit more fluoride or less. And fluoride does occur naturally in the environment.
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But the levels that we are getting from water or from our toothpaste, which kids inevitably swallow, is much higher than what we need. And we really are pushing way too much fluoride into children. And then the problem becomes that, Because the fluoride is in the water system, you water a field with fluoride. It goes into plants. You're washing your fruits and vegetables in fluoride.
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It's on your food. So it's pervasive.
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It's difficult. The cows you're eating are fed water that potentially has fluoride in it. So it's pervasive. And the easiest thing would be removing it from your drinking water to decrease your exposure. But, yeah, there's a lot of studies potentially linking fluoride to lower IQs. It's not something we had historically, right?
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And again, there's a really famous, just I'll say this about tooth decay, really, really famous dentist in the 1940s named Weston A. Price. He traveled all over the world and he looked at the difference in tooth health and systemic health in indigenous tribes, people who were living traditionally and those who had become integrated into Western society simultaneously.
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So these are people who are the exact same bloodline, similar genetics, and the differences in their oral hygiene and overall health between indigenous traditional ways and westernized ways were astounding. You should pick up, you should find some of the photos of Weston A. Price and some of these people.
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The book is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, but if you just Google Weston A. Price and these photos will come up. They are so strong. Have you seen these photos before, Pat? I have not. Okay. So look at this one. These are photos of traditional people. There's no dentist, right? These are smiles from tribes, people throughout the world. There's no dentist. There's no braces.
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There are rumors that these food companies have actually been using brain scans like this to see how eating a Pringle affects your brain. And to engineer foods like this to light up your brain in the maximum way possible. This is how sinister this is.
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Those are perfect teeth and wide jaws. These people do not brush with toothpaste. They don't even floss their teeth. And there are hundreds of these photos in the books. Can you find a juxtaposition photo of,
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of some of the people who were in the tribe and some of the people who were actually westernized at the same time because they have side-by-side comparisons of these people and they're just striking you see one tribes member again has this perfect smile and the other has teeth that are just falling out it's pretty incredible that's the one these all look like they have good teeth but not the ones on the right oh yeah yeah a little bit yeah yeah look at the difference here
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Yeah. So the ones on the left.
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Traditional, traditional diets, single ingredient foods, right? These people don't have processed food. Some of these tribes, people file their teeth down. So there's a middle photo there. They're filing their teeth down as part of their cultural practices. But look at the smile on the top left. Yep. That's like the most perfect smile you've ever seen.
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That is what happens when a child eats animal foods, not exclusively animal foods, but that is what happens when a child eats fat-soluble vitamins and animal foods. And all of these tribes prized animal foods. They had specific foods that they fed to pregnant and nursing mothers. whether it was fish eggs or certain organs of animals.
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But this is what happens in tooth health when you get enough fat-soluble vitamins. And it's not like those people weren't eating honey. They eat honey. They eat carbohydrates. They're eating potatoes. You know, they're eating sweet potatoes and things like this. But yeah, it's just the oral health is really a window to the larger conversation.
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Well, it's been done. You can do it at a state-by-state level. I mean, some states can change it. It's actually probably a municipality level. But I think a federal mandate to remove fluoride would be pretty interesting. What states don't allow it?
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I don't know if there's a single state. I don't know. We could look it up. I don't think at a state level there's any state. But there certainly are counties. in the U.S. that do not fluoridate their water.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And if you live in a place where there is fluoride in your drinking water, just get a reverse osmosis filter. You can get them at Home Depot. They're a few hundred dollars. They can go under the sink. Do we have that, babe?
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I'm not familiar with that brand specifically.
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We could just look and see if it removes fluoride.
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I don't have a brand that I recommend really. You can, I mean, most reverse osmosis will do it. Reverse osmosis will remove fluoride. This zero water filter, I hadn't heard of it. It says it removes fluoride by 99%, but that's important, I think. And again, like tooth decay is important in kids, but fluoride is not the answer. It's better quality food.
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Did you see I have a beef with him on Twitter?
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Right. So let me just read the ingredients on these mini Chips Ahoy, right? So you've got this unbleached enriched flour. I don't think your great-grandmother would recognize unbleached enriched flour. If it said flour, she might recognize it. And that unbleached enriched flour is wheat flour plus niacin, plus reduced iron, plus thiamine, plus mononitrate vitamin B1, which is thiamine.
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So what do you think about him? So I think Brian and I need to have an MMA match. This is the formal challenge. Let's just get it knocked out of the way. We will settle this like men. We'll see who the real champion is. He's the same age as me, so I think he's 46 or 47, so it's completely fair.
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Yeah. How much does he weigh? Let's see what weight class he'd be in.
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So he's a little heavier than me, but I'll still take him. I'm 165. You're calling him out. I'm calling him out. No, but think about it. I will tell you what I think about him scientifically. I respect the effort. I've heard he's a really nice guy in person.
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I think that he has a big team behind him who's feeding him a lot of the information, and I disagree with a lot of the things that he's suggesting. Such as? Vegan diet does not promote health and longevity in humans. In order to have blood markers that look reasonable, he has to take over 111 supplements a day. He was on testosterone. He claims to not be on testosterone now.
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I called him out about this on Instagram. He has not proven that he is not still taking TRT. He makes this claim that he is the healthiest man in the world, and I think that's disingenuous when you must take TRT because your sex hormones decline so much because... because you're eating a calorie-restricted vegan diet. So it's unquestionable that a vegan diet is nutrient-deficient.
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It's unquestionable. So in order to fill in the gaps that he's even aware of, he must take 60-plus supplements, like I said, over 110 pills a day. Many of the things he's supplementing are actually found in meat. So he takes creatine, he takes collagen, he takes taurine. These are all found in animal foods. And I don't think our calorie-restricted diet is the way for humans to live a long way.
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It gets into kind of the esoteric nature of some of these studies. But I think that what's interesting about what he's doing is there are people living—now there's a rejuvenation Olympics or longevity Olympics, and there are people who are beating him who eat meat and spending a lot less than his protocol. So he is not winning the rejuvenation Olympics.
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And then you got riboflavin as an ingredient. And then you've got sugar, which your grandmother might actually recognize, and we can talk about the ins and outs of sugar. And the next thing is soybean and or canola oil. And your great-grandmother wouldn't even know what soybean or canola oil were because they didn't exist until around 100 years ago.
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He's doing well in them, but there are people like, I think his name is Dave Pascoe, is one of these guys who actually have better markers than Brian in terms of speed of aging that eat meat and do a completely different protocol. So I think it's a little bit strange. Yeah, this guy. So Dave Pascoe, I think, is in his 60s. And there's articles and stuff about him.
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And there's other people that have been featured. Brian also fears the sun. I think, like we said, sunlight is essential.
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He goes outside with an umbrella. Why is that? He's afraid. He doesn't want any sun damage on his skin.
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Yeah.
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I've never seen this.
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It's kind of similar. Yeah. So I love, I love the, have you guys ever done a podcast together? We haven't. So I've, I respectfully have asked him on multiple occasions to do a discussion and he's declined. And I called him out on Twitter a few, a few days ago and he's still declining. He's kind of, he's kind of avoiding it.
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Okay, so another thing about Brian, he came out on Twitter or X, and he said he actually believes seed oils are healthy for humans, which I debate very strongly. And he continues to suggest that red meat is harmful for humans or shortens your life. I just saw a clip of him on another podcast saying that one hamburger shortens your life 20 minutes or something, which is just an absurd claim.
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I mean, the meat in the hamburger is not what's shortening your life. I would say that there are so many unique compounds in animal meat, especially red meat, that are associated with longevity. vitamin B12, creatine, taurine, vitamin K2, anserine, all sorts of compounds. To say that red meat shortens your life is really kind of a silly thing.
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But I guess if you're having a burger with a bun with 60 ingredients and seed oils, you might be able to make that argument, but he's not qualifying that.
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So these ingredients were not even part of the human food supply until 1911 with Crisco. That was from Procter & Gamble. We can talk about seed oils. Then you have palm and palm kernel oil. She probably wouldn't recognize that. Cocoa processed with alkali, maybe. High fructose corn syrup, she would definitely not recognize because that's another very recent ingredient in the human diet.
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Yeah, it's a little bit arbitrary. So they're using metrics that are not corrupt, you know, like not substantiated. He's just he's kind of saying, oh, I my heart is 37 years old. Well, I mean, how do you how do you know your heart? He's comparing it to other people. So it's not a bad series of metrics, but I do think it's a little bit misleading for people. Yeah.
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Again, I think his his intention is great, but I think that the way he's doing it is misleading.
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MMA fight.
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Because what is the ultimate test of longevity than how much you can fight for your life? Yeah. So he actually emailed me, and he was going to have me over to his house to do a workout, and then his team kind of flaked on it. So I'm still open to that. I think it would be interesting for people to see me and Brian do things together.
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Yeah, it would be really.
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Yeah.
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How crazy is that?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Corruption, criminal lobbying, lobbying at the level of Congress. This is the way it works. These big food companies lobby to Congress under the guise of classism, elitism, or racism and say these foods have to be available on food stamps. And then what do humans in the most susceptible parts of the world and the most susceptible income classes do? But they buy junk food.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
10% of food stamp SNAP funding goes to soda. I mean, why is soda even allowed to be used on food stamps? Yeah. I think the argument against this idea or for this idea is that this is all that's available for humans. But it's crazy, right? Like water comes out of the tap. A lot of it's fluoridated, as we talked about. But humans can drink things besides soda.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
You've got salt, she might recognize salt. Dextrose, baking soda, she would see. Milk, soy lecithin, she would not know what soy lecithin is. Natural and artificial flavor, she would not know what that is. And caramel color. So probably 85% of the ingredients on this label she wouldn't recognize.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I don't understand why any junk food is allowed to be purchased with food stamps. But 75%... of food stamp purchases are junk food. And the problem here is that this gets full circle because taxpayers pay for food stamps. So our taxes, your taxes, my taxes, go to pay for the food stamps program.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And then our taxes go to pay for the medical care when people get sick from these ultra-processed foods. And I think at this point, it's really incontrovertible to suggest that these foods are not making people sick. You can look at historically, you can look at those people we had from Weston A. Price.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I mean, these foods are, I would say, the single greatest driver of chronic illness, which is one of the single greatest drivers of health care spending, which is one of the single greatest drivers on our economy and the health of our nation. available. And people can use Food Stamps Fund to buy these foods, which is making us sick.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And then our tax dollars go to pay for healthcare on the back end of all of this. So it's just this vicious cycle. Everyone is connected together. We talked about it a little earlier in the podcast. The FDA is captured. The NIH is captured. The USDA is captured. And they're all connected with pharma.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And it's funny because Bobby Kennedy got called out. He said 50%. And they said, no, no, no, it's only 47%. Yes, I sent that to you in our text thread. 47% of the funding for the FDA in the United States comes from pharma. And you wonder why these policies are in place. It's all connected, right? It's all just this evil web. And it's not for the health of Americans.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's for the profit and the bottom line of these agribusiness companies. And so it's very clear, like there is no reason for food stamps to be able to be used for junk food and soda. That would change the health of the country almost overnight if people could only use food stamps.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I mean, I propose something, you know, hopefully I'll get to talk to Bobby about it soon, but I think HSA funds, so health savings account funds should be expanded. And I think HSA funds should be able to be used for single ingredient foods. So HSA funds are pre-tax money. And I think you should be able to use pre-tax dollars to buy, any single ingredient food. So I tweeted about this.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Not yet. We're waiting until he's confirmed.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
The Coke in Central America does use sugar, so it uses sucrose, and here we use high-fructose corn syrup. To me, it's very similar. The processing of high fructose corn syrup is perhaps a little bit worse. And there were old studies that suggest that high fructose corn syrup was highly contaminated or at least significantly contaminated with heavy metals.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But I don't think sucrose is significantly better than high fructose corn syrup. I don't think high fructose corn syrup is great either. But it is true that in Mexico and Costa Rica, the Coca-Cola has sucrose. which is essentially cane sugar that's been purified versus high fructose corn syrup.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But I think that anytime you strip away all of these other chemicals that are in a food, these hundreds or thousands of chemicals, you are creating something that's problematic for the human gut. Have you ever had sugar cane juice? It's really good. It's actually green. So a sugar cane, have you seen a sugar cane? Yeah, of course, yeah. You ever chewed on a sugar cane? Yes, of course.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's really good. Yeah, and there are these sugar cane presses. Yes. Yeah, that's sugar cane juice. There are studies in humans showing benefits to sugar cane juice. But when you pull, because there are hundreds of chemicals, that's a complex food matrix.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
There's nothing here that I would eat.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Even as the juice, when you separate it from the cane, it's a complex food and your body knows what to do with it and your gut flora doesn't get overly stimulated. You don't get dysbiosis from sugar cane juice. So there's human studies with sugar cane juice showing health benefits, but you pull the sucrose out of it and you get problems.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Or you take corn and you make the glucose in corn into high fructose corn syrup and through isomerization and other processes, and you end up with something that's toxic for the human gut. So I don't think Mexican Coke or whatever it's called colloquially is much better than regular Coke, but it does have an interesting conversation about the sugar. Okay. Jen, what's on your mind?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Absolutely not.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yeah, yeah.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I think if someone can afford it, you should have a whole house water filter because it's just more than the fluoride. It's the chlorine and the chlorine derivatives. I think over 90% of the tap water in the United States has at least one carcinogen in it.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Um, you can look at, um, I believe it's environmental working group has tap water resources and you can pick your city and you can see where it is. So you can look up the water and the municipal water in Los Angeles or the municipal water in Austin, Texas. And there are usually 20 to 30 contaminants in there. when you are showering, it's often hot water.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
No, no, no.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
No, no, no.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Your pores are open and you can absorb that. So is this the first thing to worry about? No, we kind of went through a hierarchy of things to do for your health. But if you're interested and people have the resources, a whole house filter is a great idea because I don't want to be swimming.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Like, look, I was recently, I was in New York a little while ago and you look at the water on New York and nobody's going to go swimming in that water because you know it's polluted. Well, what are you showering in, right? You're showering in pesticides, you're showering in
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
No, definitely not. Why not? Those are full of seed oils. So let's look at the ingredients in Pringles. So you've got, oh man, they make it so hard to read. You've got dried potatoes, all right? Then you've got vegetable oil, which is, again, corn, cottonseed, or high oleic soybean, and what does it say here? I can't even read it. They make it so hard to read. Then it's- Is that the one here?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
chlorine derivatives you're showering in pharmaceutical drugs because those end up in the water supply i mean yeah look at your municipal water on environmental working group and you'll be astounded what's actually in that and even if you're not drinking it right showering in it is an exposure so i think a whole house filter is a very good investment yeah i've seen some and they're very pricey i don't think you need something uh crazy pricey but i think it's a good investment i mean yeah
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
What else, babe?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of red meat. I think that 200 to 300 years ago, fish was great. And today it's a little more polluted than other foods. And so I don't eat a lot of fish. If you're eating fish instead of junk food, you're doing great. But people need to know that number one, Atlantic salmon is entirely farm raised. There's no such thing as wild Atlantic salmon.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Farmed fish in general has higher levels of all sorts of problems, PCBs, polychlorinated biphenyl compounds, PFAs, forever chemicals in farmed fish. So you do not want to eat farmed fish, which includes every single Atlantic salmon ever. Even if you're eating wild fish, the levels of heavy metals are pretty high, whether it's arsenic, mercury, cadmium, lead, et cetera.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Fish in general has higher levels of microplastics and higher levels of forever chemicals. So it's just, fish is a tough thing for me. Bottom feeders or shellfish have higher levels of certain heavy metals. So even like scallops or shrimp. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to kill you, but I always get a little worried when people are pescatarian. If they make the majority of their protein intake
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
centered around fish. I just urge them to get tested for heavy metals and understand their exposure there. So I don't think a pescatarian diet is a great idea for humans. The whole idea of a pescatarian diet usually comes from people fearing red meat. And I think red meat has been incorrectly vilified. I've talked about that a bunch. I'm a huge apologist for red meat.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I think it's an incredibly healthy food for humans. So I don't think you can never eat fish. I just think that you need to be aware of what's in it. And certainly some of the heavy, the high heavy metal fish like swordfish or mahi or shark, the bigger fish, very, very high levels of heavy metals. And there are recorded documented cases of people getting
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's called hatterism in reference to the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland. So hatterism is a... Tendency to be negative? That's haterism. We need one more T. That's haterism. Look up hatterism. Hatterism is mercury toxicity. So apparently the hat makers used to get hatterism from mercury exposure. And hatterism is just the historical reference to mercury toxicity.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And that's been documented from people eating too much fish and sushi. You can actually get hatterism. So yeah, it's not something to take lightly. There are a lot of famous people, Tony Robbins, other folks who have actually gotten pretty significant mercury and other heavy metal toxicity from eating a lot of fish. Wow. So, yeah, these are real cases of this happening.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
This is the mad hatter in Alice in Wonderland. Wow. That's his character. There you go. Wow. Not haterism, hatterism. So I think fish is... Again, it's a single-ingredient food. Don't fear it. But I wouldn't make it the majority of your protein intake.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Thank you so much. Great to meet you.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
You like those?
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
I brought you some creatine also. You don't take creatine. At all. You need to be taking this.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But creatine is the easiest hack for people. So you should be taking creatine also. Women, yeah, kids can take creatine. It's a super safe supplement. So creatine is a phosphate donor. It's basically an energy intermediate in the human body. And it's... basically pennies a day for one of the single most studied and safe substances on the planet.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's made by the human body, but when we get enough, everything works better. So creatine, it's almost a neurotropic. It's a nootropic. If you're sleep deprived, there's evidence creatine is beneficial. Muscle recovery, explosiveness. Creatine is very easy to take for humans and valuable. I figured you might not be taking it. So take five grams of creatine a day. It's incredible.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Yeah.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
A lot of people I know have stopped drinking coffee because they take creatine. Yeah, because it's a no tropic.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Okay, you got de-germinated yellow corn flour, corn starch, rice flour, maltodextrin, mono and diglycerides. I mean, so the dried potatoes are okay, but everything after that, no one is recognizing 100 years ago.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
No, just water is fine. I mean, you might have to get a little bit more fluid during the day, but it's super safe.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
We'll be there as well.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Pantry.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
It's a pleasure. This was great.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Hey guys, I am Paul Saladino. You can find me on Manect. If you have any questions about diet, health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease, I'm excited to connect with you guys all there and I'll see you in there.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
So seed oils are the second ingredient. Do you want to talk about seed oils? Please, go for it. Let's get into it. So seed oils are things like corn, canola, sunflower, safflower, soybean, peanut oils. They are oils from plant seeds. The first real seed oil to enter the human diet was 1911 Procter & Gamble made Crisco.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And that was a seed oil in a white sort of form that mimicked butter for humans. And then Crisco was part of a big marketing campaign where Procter & Gamble was trying to tell people, this is better than butter, or it stays fresh longer than butter. And there was this big confusion that happened. But 120 years ago, humans did not eat seed oils.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And this is an interesting point of reference to consider. If you think about the health of humans in 1900, Heart disease, which is heart attacks, strokes, all these cerebrovascular issues, were a fraction of what they are today. They were vanishingly rare. In 1900, a lot of people don't know this, in 1900, essentially very few doctors had even seen a heart attack in their patient.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Obesity was incredibly rare 120 years ago.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
There are so many things that could cause a heart attack.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
Right, right. Who knows? I mean, I think that heart attacks were incredibly rare in 1900. People could have had a heart attack because of stress or lack of sleep. Other toxins in the environment could have contributed to a heart attack, like mercury toxicity or heavy metal toxicity.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
These foods happened. Processed foods happened. That's the major thing. Plus, you know, we can think about... introduction of pesticides, introduction of other foods that are more contaminated with problematic things like heavy metals in the human diet. But at a broad level, ultra-processed foods came into the human diet over the last 120 years.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And seed oils came into the human diet over the last 120 years. Food dyes, mono- and diglycerides, all of these ingredients that your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize have become part of the human diet, the majority of our diet.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
you know enjoyable is it because it's more addicting is it because because of what what are the three four five all of the above they're cheaper they have a better shelf life they taste better and they're more addicting so recently evidence has come out which is i think we need to corroborate this but there was a lawsuit that recently was filed and the lawsuit alleges that many of these big food companies craft conagra nestle actually have been working with scientists to develop foods that are hyper palatable
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
potentially even using things like EEGs. So an EEG is an electroencephalogram. It's something we do in the hospital when we're looking for seizures in a patient's brain. But there's the possibility, there are rumors that these food companies have actually been using brain scans like this to see how eating a Pringle affects your brain.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
And to engineer foods like this, to light up your brain in the maximum way possible. This is how sinister this is. And this is, I guess, sort of legal because we have an open food system and there's nothing illegal about a Pringle.
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"Stop Eating This CRAP!" – Paul Saladino DEMOLISHES Modern Diets, Processed Foods & Big Food Lies | PBD Podcast | Ep. 539
But if these food companies are actually making these foods intentionally to light up your brain and make them hyper palatable and hyper addictive, we are really being poisoned. It's really pretty crazy.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that signaling of endotoxin, it binds to TLR4, which is toll-like receptor 4, and you get cytokines, TNF-alpha, IL-6, and others, which signal inflammation in the human body. And your body says, whoa, I've got an infection. But you don't have an infection. You just ate a bunch of sugar. And that causes you to become insulin resistant due to an inflammatory mechanism.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The only ingredients in there and in everything that all my companies make are things like grass-fed beef, organs, vinegar, and salt. That's it. What's the deal with organs? Organs, we're talking about liver, heart, kidney, spleen, pancreas, testicle, ovaries, brain. like humans have always eaten these, but they're not a part of our diet today.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think seed oils cause insulin resistance at an energy generation mechanism at a mitochondrial electron level. and sugar causes it at an inflammatory level due to dysbiosis in the gut. Those are two major pathways. And again, what have we done here? All I'm saying is don't eat processed food, guys.
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Like, because if you eat single ingredient foods, meat and plants, fruits and vegetables and meat, you're not getting seed oils and you're not getting processed sugar. Problem solved. Humans get healthy. Diabetes fixed, obesity fixed, heart disease fixed, cancer mostly fixed. Like, that's so easy. But no. Global Energy Balance Network, Sean.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Just think about calories. Don't think about food quality. You can still do the Coca-Cola, you know? This is the problem here. It's all kind of connected, right? And because who gets paid, right? So yeah, humans, it's easy. And it's not that humans either need to eat rabbit food or food that's not palatable.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I mean, I gave you raw steak earlier because the Airbnb grill was garbage, but you know, I could have given you cooked steak, squash, and strawberries. That's not horrible. it's maybe not as dopaminergic and as addicting as a Big Mac or Skittles, but that's hardly depriving yourself of like good tasting food. So the answer is really simple.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The molecular mechanisms I think are important to explain so that people understand what's going on beneath the surface and why all this happens. But essentially what's happened is that in the last 150 years, all of these foods have come into the human food supply, the American food supply,
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
through the FDA, which really didn't do the right safety trials on them, and now we're just metabolically broken. But the way forward is super simple. We don't need AI vaccines. You know, we don't need crazy things. We really don't even need GLP-1 antagonists, even though that helps some people. We don't need Ozempic.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We just need to stop eating garbage food and return to the foods that humans have always eaten. It's that simple. It's crazy.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Vegetables are a whole separate thing, yeah. So for me, anecdotally, cutting vegetables out improved my eczema.
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Eczema was the itchy rash that I had.
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Yeah, it's the autoimmune condition that I have. It often pairs with asthma and seasonal allergies.
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Yeah, did I get too much for you?
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So for some people... Vegetables, I think, trigger the immune system, not for everyone. So let's just differentiate fruit versus vegetables. Vegetables are the leaves, the stems, and the roots and the seeds of plants. Fruit is often the colorful, sweet packaging around the seeds. So if I gave you a strawberry, you know that's a fruit.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
A cucumber is actually a fruit because it has seeds inside of it. An avocado is a fruit. A squash is a fruit, right? Kale, spinach, those are leaves. Those are vegetables, okay? Celery, that's a stem. That's a vegetable. Asparagus, that's a vegetable, okay? What are other good examples of vegetables? You know, any leaf, stem, root, or seed is a vegetable, but a fruit is different.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And you can see that historically fruits are colorful and they're sweet. The plants are trying to communicate to us, eat this. Plants are also trying to communicate to us, don't eat my leaves, because the plants need their leaves to make photosynthesis. The leaves are a plant's solar panels. Plants are pretty incredible, and they've been around as long as we have.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When I was in Africa with the Hadza, we hunted baboon. Their hunting grounds have been encroached upon by other tribes. So they're protected now because of tourism by the Tanzanian government, but they don't have as much room to hunt as they used to.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And plants take energy from the sun and make it into glucose. If we could do that, we would have the obesity epidemic would be solved, right? Because you could just go outside and get energy, right? So plants do this through a process called photosynthesis, and they're sort of chloroplast, which is in some ways their equivalent of a mitochondria.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's how they make energy, but they take sun energy and they make it into glucose, almost reverse of what we do. So plants make glucose, but they need their solar panels. And so humans and plants have, and animals, animals, humans, and plants have always co-existed. But if humans can just go eat plants, then all the plants are going to be gone because plants can't run away from us.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When you're hunting an animal, we were talking about hunting, it's hard to hunt a deer or an antelope or a bison. They can run away or they can kick you or gore you or use their antlers. These animals have... mobility as a defense mechanism generally, or venom, right? A snake or a scorpion or whatever. Plants are just kind of stuck in the ground.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Because every single day in Costa Rica... unless it's a hurricane or unless the waves are absolutely horrible. I'm out in the ocean at 6 a.m. for two, two and a half hours. No kidding. Yeah, so I'm getting sunlight, I'm grounding, I'm moving my body, and I come out of the ocean and I'm just happy. And I don't always get a great wave.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I can just walk up to any plant outside here and go start eating its bark. So that plant out of necessity, historically, has developed or was created with defense chemicals to dissuade insects, fungi, humans, animals from eating it without regard to what's in it. And this is not the stuff of fairy tales, not opinion, this is botanical science. Plant defense chemicals are real.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are so many plants that if we go eat them, we'll die immediately, right? I mean, think about mushrooms. There are so many poisonous mushrooms that do this. Mushrooms are kind of stuck in the ground too. Mushrooms are a different story for the most part, but they're an interesting story separate from plants. They're not in the same kingdom as plants. They do reverse respiration.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide like us. Plants inhale carbon dioxide, exhale oxygen because of photosynthesis. So mushrooms are interesting. We can talk about them too. But the whole plant idea is that plants, out of necessity, contain defense chemicals, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And those defense chemicals can be harmful for humans at the level of our gut, at the level of our immune system, at the level of absorption of nutrients. And some people are uniquely sensitive to plant defense chemicals. Historically, when hunter-gatherers eat vegetables, they almost always ferment them. We don't do that so much. Think about how we eat grains today.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They would rather hunt things like eland, which is a large antelope, but oftentimes they end up hunting baboons, which is a little interesting because it's, kind of looks, it looks human, you know, like they have a thumb. But we hunted a baboon with them. And the first thing they did after they killed the baboon was put the baboon on the fire. And then we ate the organs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I haven't really mentioned grains a whole lot. I'm not a huge fan of grains. I think most humans get much healthier when they stop eating grains, probably because we eat grains by just cooking them. And that gets rid of some of the defense chemicals, but not all of the defense chemicals. So take oatmeal, for instance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Oats are high in a compound called phytic acid, which is a big molecule that chelates minerals. And if you cook oats into oatmeal, and oats are a plant seed, right? It's been rolled into like a little flat oat. If you cook oats into oatmeal,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You degrade maybe 40% of the phytic acid, but still 60% is left, meaning that if you're eating oatmeal in the morning for breakfast, and say you're putting milk on your oatmeal, you're not absorbing as much of the calcium or magnesium in the milk because the phytic acid in the oats is binding it and it's going out in your poop.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Oats also contain zinc, but you're not absorbing much of the zinc in oats because it contains phytic acid. So historically, what would humans have done to eat oats? We would have fermented it for days. And this makes this kind of nasty, fermented, sour oat mash, but that's a much safer way to eat oats.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You can degrade more than 90% of the phytic acid in oats, but you have to ferment it for four and a half days at a temperature of 78 degrees Fahrenheit and a pH of 4.8. It's possible, but no one does that, right? We go to the store and we get Quaker oatmeal and we just put it, you know.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Oats are also full of saponins, which is another type of defense chemical that is not degraded with cooking, that is irritating for our gut. It's a defense chemical in oats. Many oats today are contaminated with glyphosate as a pesticide. So grains are plant seeds. So seeds, nuts, grains, and beans are all plant seeds. If you plant those in the ground, it grows into a plant. That means it's a seed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So all of those have potential problems for humans in the way that we digest them. All of those contain digestive enzyme inhibitors because plants don't want them to get digested. Or plant DNA doesn't move to the next generation. Plants are interested in reproducing also. We find meaning as humans in moving our DNA to the next generation. That's what we're kind of programmed to do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Some would say that's the point of life. I think that they might not be very wrong in that. Plants do the same thing. Plants want to move their DNA to the next generation. But because we coexist with plants, as do animals and other things that want to eat the plants, plants have defense chemicals. So the idea of shunning vegetables is most applicable to those people that are very immune sensitive.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If someone has an autoimmune condition, whether it's lupus or Sjogren's or rheumatoid arthritis, and there are a lot of autoimmune conditions, inflammatory bowel diseases, autoimmune, you know, my eczema, psoriasis, skin conditions, these are all autoimmune.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
In that case, I think it's worth considering a trial, a temporary trial of vegetable elimination to see if your autoimmune disease gets better. Interesting. So I just did a podcast with my friend when I was in DC. Her name's Courtney Swan, and this will be on her podcast. We talked about her fiance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
His name's Hector, and I'll tell the story because it's so striking, and I've heard this over and over and over. He's had psoriasis for the last 10 to 15 years. They tried everything. She's in the health space. And finally, he just got fed up and said, I'm going to do a carnivore diet. And I said, okay, do carnivore plus fruit. Do meat plus squash plus fruit.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So I shared the organs with the tribe. Another time with them, we ate a goat that someone had gifted to the tribe. And they had this raw liver that they cooked and they put it on a rock before they cooked it. And they were treating it like, it was like a precious piece of gold. They treasure these organs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And for the first time, his psoriasis is getting better. It's almost completely resolved. No shit. No shit. Like this happens all the time. Does everyone need to get rid of all the vegetables? No. Some people with autoimmune disease, Jordan Peterson is a great example, are uniquely sensitive in an autoimmune fashion. And is it because of her gut flora? Is it because of exposures I had as a kid?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Is it because of my genetics? Who knows? Vegetables are way healthier than Snickers bars. But for some people, eliminating vegetables, results in incredibly just profound immune resolution.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Some people really like vegetables, Sean. Every once in a while, I'm talking to somebody, usually a girl, who says like, but I like my vegetables. I think we've also been programmed to believe that salad is good for us. And I think a lot of people use salad Ladies, I'm talking to you as like just to fill themselves up and they feel like that's how they can lose weight.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's the wrong way to lose weight. The way to lose weight is to eat higher quality foods. Don't substitute lower nutrient density foods. The other problem with vegetables is that the nutrients in vegetables are less bioavailable than they are in animal foods often. So plant protein, animal protein, you probably talked about this with Gabrielle Lyon.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Animal protein is much more bioavailable, about twice as bioavailable as plant protein.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So 50 grams of protein from tofu is not the same as 50 grams of protein from a steak, both in terms of coexisting nutrients that you get, because there are many nutrients in meat that occur only in animal foods, creatine, carnitine, anserine, taurine, B12, K2, uniquely important vital role for humans in their diets. They don't occur in plants.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Plants may have other nutrients that are useful for humans, but nutrients that occur in plants often not as bioavailable. So 50 grams of protein from steak, much more bioavailable 50 grams protein from tofu. You could eat twice as much tofu, but again, you're still not getting any of the nutrients in meat. And I would argue there are other downsides to eating tofu.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There is a study that shows that soy actually decreases androgen receptor density. Soy doesn't decrease testosterone or sex hormones. You ever heard of the term soy boys? And the colloquial notion is that soy decreases androgens or testosterone.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That doesn't seem to happen in humans based on what I've seen, but it does decrease, at least in one study, androgen receptor density, which is interesting because in order for testosterone to work, It has to bind to a receptor. So I'm not a huge fan of soy for a lot of reasons. Soy is also a hugely subsidized crop in the United States. We can talk about, I think, $45 billion annually.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Maybe, I don't have to check that, but $45 billion potentially annually in crop subsidies for soy. And all that soy, most of that soy goes to soybean oil. Wow. It goes to seed oils.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The day after we killed the baboon, the hunter who delivered the final blow that killed the baboon offered me, this is like Indiana Jones stuff, he offered me brain. He had the baboon head and he had roasted the brain and he said, do you want some brain? Of course I ate it. So I ate this baboon brain with the guy, but that's like one of their favorite parts of the baboon is the brain.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Weeks to months, like we talked about.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Weeks to months, yeah. Humans see radical changes. Let's talk about macros for a second to give people the idea of how to do this. You don't have to move to a lot of meat, but I do think in terms of protein, fat, and carbohydrate amounts, you want about one gram of protein per pound of body weight from animal protein. That's important. Not plant protein, animal protein. So I weigh 165 pounds.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
On a daily basis, I'm thinking, and this just happens intuitively for me now, I want about 165 grams of animal protein per day. I get that from meat. I get it from raw milk. That's about it. Sometimes I get it from protein powder if I'm on the go. And if you're using a protein powder, be aware there's a lot of junk protein powders out there also.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You want something good with ingredients your great-grandmother would recognize. Once you get one gram of protein per pound of body weight from animal food, which is actually a little more than most humans need, the number is probably 0.8, but if you aim for one, you'll probably get plenty, you have fat and carbohydrates left. And you can dial your fat and carbohydrates based on how active you are.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When I'm in Costa Rica surfing for a few hours every day, skating, doing a little bit of stuff, maybe some sprints on the treadmill, swimming in the pool with friends, I eat a lot of carbohydrates. I personally, which doesn't work for everyone, often have 300 grams of carbohydrates a day from honey, from fruit, from squash.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Not everyone needs 300 grams of carbohydrates a day, but I think it's important to at least track and know what you feel good with. I think individually, that difference between fat and carbohydrates is going to be something that you'll have to figure out for yourself. Some people do a little better with more fat. Some people do better with more carbohydrates. I wouldn't do no carbohydrates.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I wouldn't do keto for most people. Ketogenic diets have applications if you have epilepsy, advanced dementia, but I think for most people, a ketogenic diet is not needed to be optimally healthy, and it can have some downsides to it. Electrolyte insufficiency, energy production issues, stress on the human body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So getting enough carbohydrates, I think from more bioavailable, less toxic sources, so get rid of the grains would be my advice to most people, or ferment the heck out of your grains,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
fruit, honey, raw dairy, if you get carbohydrates from there and then you get fat just along with your food, a lot of times if you're eating animal meat and you're not looking for the leanest animal meat because now you're no longer fearing saturated fat, then you're getting fat with your foods you're eating. So that fat-carbohydrate ratio can be determined person to person.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I am probably 15 to 20% of my calories is protein, more likely 17%. I'm about 35 to 40% of my calories as carbohydrates, and the rest is fat on a daily basis, depending on what I'm doing. So just to give people a baseline, everybody's not going to be the same as me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But what's so interesting about organs is they have unique nutrients. And to be fair, muscle is an organ.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I believe the reason plasma exchange works, well, plasma exchange is just plasma. Maybe you're... Maybe you're cleaning out some of the broken proteins. I mean, that might help. The blood transfusions are interesting. This idea of like, you know, getting blood from a younger human. I'm not advocating for this, but you see it in animal studies, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the reason it works mechanistically, which is why this is interesting, is because you are getting cells that have membranes that are not as full of polyunsaturated fatty acids. That's why I think it works. So you can recreate that in your own body, but in animal studies, and some people have dabbled with this as humans, although it's super controversial when this happens, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this is like the conspiracy theories, getting blood from kids or something. That's not what I'm advocating for, but in animal studies, you can see that if you give the blood from a young animal to an older animal, the older animal does better, and vice versa, older animal to younger animal, younger animal does worse,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
aging blood is often just full of all of these components in this garbage food. And this linoleic acid is accumulating in our membranes. So I really think that, The better you make your diet, the faster you will heal. Again, all of this is framed in the part of our earlier conversation, which is that's difficult.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Behaviorally, time-wise, that's difficult, but I would say it's a geometric progression. The more you improve the quality of your diet, the faster you're going to feel better. And I think nearly invariably, you will feel better. And it doesn't have to happen overnight. Other things, I mean, I think peptides have applications in certain individuals.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If you work with a qualified provider, get to the root cause. Don't use peptides, TRT, or any of these therapies without correcting the actual foundation, which is how you eat and how you live. So you can speed it up. I think most people, if they're very sick, should consider that, but it can be used as an adjunct.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You know, one of your guys was asking me about TRT earlier, and I'll just make a comment about that if it's okay. So he said, what do you think about TRT? And I said, I think most men who go on TRT do so without having their doctors really try and figure out what's causing the testosterone to be low. As an example, I'll use myself. I'm 47. I take no drugs, no hormones. I've never done TRT.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And my testosterone is 850. So I have a normal, healthy testosterone for a man who's nearly 50 years old. I know that there are some men who have had injury to the testicles in rugby or something, or they've had PTSD or a concussive injury, traumatic brain injury, and that can affect their
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
the production at the level of the pituitary to the gonadotropins that tell the testicles to make testosterone. So there are some actual physical reasons for the testicles not to make enough testosterone, but I think that the majority of men with low testosterone are sleeping like crap and they're eating like crap.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And if you fix those two things, you can probably correct the root cause of your low testosterone, and you may not need TRT. Because TRT, it's not a bad thing for humans, but it's not normal circadian biology in terms of how it's fluctuating in a day.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
oftentimes it can affect fertility, and sometimes it causes the testicles to stop making as much testosterone, which leads to dependence on it long-term. So before you go on TRT, work with someone who can think about what you're eating and how you're living, and maybe that helps.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I have, yeah. I haven't used it, and I'm not sure that I would always agree with their assessment of those things, but I'd be curious.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The thing I'll say about yucca, I've seen some examples, and I think I could be wrong about this. I think it doesn't like saturated fat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What about seed oils? Are you aware of seed oils in your diet?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Oh, I disagree with her on that. I completely agree. Major disagreement.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, that's my friend Bobby Parrish.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Do we have a minute or two for me to respond to that from Gabrielle about the seed oils? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So this actually really kind of grinds my gears. I didn't know that she felt that way. I'm going to have to... I have to have a discussion. Maybe I can have a friendly debate with her on my podcast. But she is saying that based on randomized controlled trials with seed oils.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So earlier in the podcast, we talked about the history of seed oils. They've never been in the human diet. They're much more prevalent than they ever were. They increase the propensity of LDL to become oxidized. They become incorporated into membranes. They lead to proton leak at the level of mitochondria. They lead to overactivation of the sodium potassium ATPase.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the proponents of seed oils, because there are actually people out there who say there's no evidence they're bad, will look at randomized controlled trials with seed oils, which are the gold standard. The problem with the randomized controlled trials with seed oils is the majority of them were done, in fact, all of them were done between 1950 and 1985.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And between 1950 and 1985, we didn't understand that trans fat was harmful for humans. And so I would tell this to Gabrielle respectfully, if you actually look at those randomized controlled trials, which is what everyone who says seed oils are benign, or there's no evidence for them being harmful, if you look at those randomized controlled trials, you need to throw the majority of them out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Because there are trans fats in the control groups of those trials, whether you're talking about the Finnish mental health study, or you're talking about the DART trial, or St. Thomas angiography study. There's so many of these trials that have trans fats in the control group or that are multifactorial interventions. So I've been trying to organize a debate about this and really show people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And at the top of my X is a thread pinned where I go through all 11 randomized control trials on CETOLs and I break every single one of them down and I show people how badly these trials have been done. And the only way
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
that I think anyone could come to the conclusion that seed oils, that there's no evidence they're harmful for humans, is to not have read those trials and to not understand how flawed they are.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Because there are many trials, the Sydney Diet Heart Study, the Minnesota Coronary Study, the Rose Coronary Trial, which all show that seed oils increase the risk of heart disease relative to saturated fats from animals. The problem is that
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are many other trials that get thrown into a meta-analysis, and then Darius Mazzafarian or Hamley has a forest plot, and they're using faulty trials in their meta-analysis. And so that's really the conversation that I think needs to be had, that anyone who thinks that seed oils are benign needs to take another look at the studies and realize the studies that you are citing are badly flawed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I think that the best trials with seed oils versus saturated fat clearly show they're harmful. And to be frank, we need another trial. We need a trial that's done in 2025. We need a trial that shows, that answers this question now because we cannot fully rely because doctors are not reading the studies because they're coming to conclusions like that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I appreciate Gabrielle, I respect your opinion, and I disagree with that very strongly if you actually read the trial. So that's important because there are many very intelligent, well-intentioned people. I shouldn't say many. There are a few intelligent, well-intentioned people out there saying that there's no evidence COs are harmful. And like, man, put me in the ring.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Let's go. I'd love to see it. I think just use your intuition is what I'd say to people, you know? I'm sorry, I got to a little technical there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Okay. You know what I mean? Use your intuition, you know, like eat single ingredient foods, eat foods that your great grandmother would recognize and you'll be fine. And seed oils are not on that list. And if people want to get super technical, I'm happy to go to the mat with them and show them like this actual problems with all these studies they think are vindicating or benign for seed oils.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And it's just, it's not true. So it's a big deal. It's important that we have these conversations though, because people get confused. Yeah. And then you have people putting sunflower oil or canola oil on their food, and I think that's a real contributor to problems with human health long-term.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We won't. It'll be much more fun. We'll be surfing. We won't be so technical.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. Appreciate you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I've only been surfing six, seven years, so I'm still a pretty mediocre surfer. But I'm just full of joy. And that allows me to do everything else. And it makes all the other stuff that I do in the day easier because I'm just happy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When you go to the grocery store and you look at the butcher's counter, you see muscle meat. You don't see heart, you don't see liver, you don't see testicle, but you see meat. And that's an organ, but that's just one organ. And really the fatty reserves are an organ in and of themselves. The adipose depots are a separate organ.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And all of the organs have signaling molecules, myokines and hormones, and they have unique nutrients. So you look at muscle meat, like a steak, right? Steak is very high in iron, which is bioavailable because it's heme iron from animals. Muscle meat is high in creatine, which we know has been studied to help with mental performance, muscle recovery, explosivity.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's high in B12, it's high in B6, it's high in zinc, but it's not very high in folate and it's not very high in, It has some choline, but the liver has more. The biotin is higher in the liver. So some organs have complementary nutrients that we know are important for humans. Liver has copper and it complements the zinc and muscle meat. So there's this historical pattern
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I've connected with him. I had him on my podcast. I've never met him in person, but I know a bunch of his friends in Malibu. Yeah, hopefully I'll get to hang out with him soon.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
of humans consuming animals, where if you eat the whole animal, you get a much more comprehensive, robust nutritional profile than if you just eat steak. Now, you don't need to eat a ton of liver. A little bit goes a long way, but we don't do this anymore. I didn't grow up, I had liverwurst growing up, but not a ton.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so I think it's important, and humans do much better when they have organs, even a little bit of organs every day, in connection with their muscle meat. And most people won't eat organs fresh or cooked. So one of the companies I built was Heart and Soil, which just makes the organ capsules. But fresh organs are better if you want to try it. Have you ever eaten a testicle?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah. Why waste the organs? It's unique nutrition. And what's interesting about organs specifically, I'll just say this, is that When you eat an organ raw or freeze-dried, there seem to be unique nutritional benefits for humans, probably beyond the vitamins and minerals.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this is really cool because you can eat a liver and I can say, or you can eat some liver, whether it's cooked on a grill or a piece of raw liver or something. And I say, yeah, Sean, that's good for you because it has vitamin A, which is bioavailable. It has choline, it has biotin, it has folate, it has zinc, it has copper, it has selenium, it has manganese.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Thanks for having me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And then it has peptides, which are these short protein fragments that probably pass through the human gut. The very small ones appear to pass through the human gut and can have roles in the human body, even across species. But there's also something in organs called microRNA.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so there's an interesting field of research now about how do these microRNAs, which is different than messenger RNA, these microRNAs probably provide a blueprint for our cells and especially the cells of the corresponding organ that might help
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
repair when our organs are damaged so this is the really fascinating premise around eating organs and there's a lot of research about this from germany from the 1950s and 60s that my team found but there is evidence in animal models that when you provide either an intravenous injection of an organ or you provide like you put a little piece of liver on an embryo that's developing
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Absolutely. We both think about food, and I'm the same as that. I think about food as the center of human health, one of the biggest metrics, one of the biggest levers we can pull, and Laird is the same way, and it's served him well. What is he, in his 60s?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
the corresponding organ gets bigger. And you can give an injection of radiolabeled liver to an animal, and you see the radioactivity accumulate in this corresponding organ. So there's something going on here. The idea that organs could support the corresponding organ is really exciting, because you think about people who have...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
you know, low testosterone or erectile dysfunction or women that have PCOS, which is a hormonal issue for women, or dementia. And organ therapy, I think, is something that I really hope that we can do more research on this and really show the potential of benefit to people that we've never thought about in Western medicine. It's something that happens in these indigenous tribes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
People often eat the corresponding organ, but we've lost this knowledge historically as humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think that most research today is funded by pharma. And we can talk about the NIH and how many researchers at the National Institutes of Health have ties to pharma. I believe it's over 8,000. And the majority of research that's taught in medical school, the majority of research that comes out of the NIH is funded by pharma.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This gets back to the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, and the USDA. And so who benefits, right? There's no liver lobby to talk to Congress, and there's no one to fund these studies.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This company, Heart and Soil, and the nonprofit that I built will hopefully be funding some studies to try and ask these questions and get some more interesting answers in 2024 relative to the 1950 and 1960 studies. These are not the studies that have been done. There hasn't been a lot of good nutritional research done in the last 100 years.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's a little bit, but most of it is really tricky to do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Very potentially with the Flexner report. It's possible, yeah, that allopathic medicine, I mean, that's a hypothesis that... potentially the Rockefellers were interested in the petroleum-derived pharmaceuticals, and so they wanted to support the pharmaceutical industry.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm not sure how much historical corroboration there is for that, but there certainly was a document published called the Flexner Report, I believe in the early 1900s, that that denigrated alternative medicine, anything that wasn't allopathic.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's the traditional medicine. So I'm an MD, I went to an allopathic medical school, the University of Arizona, did my residency at the University of Washington. Allopathic medicine is what you think of when you think of a doctor who you go to an office and you see them in the office. That's an MD, that's allopathic medicine. Okay. DOs also practice allopathic medicine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Still surfing big waves? Yeah. That's longevity.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And everything else since the Flexinger report has been termed alternative medicine. And yes, there are good doctors in allopathic medicine, and there are doctors that don't really do such a great job in allopathic medicine, just like there are good and bad doctors in the alternative world.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But to suggest that there are no valuable ideas or interventions outside of what allopathic medicine offers us as humans is pretty ridiculous. But that's really been... the position of the mainstream is to just push all the alternative ideas. Even calling them alternative ideas is pejorative.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, he's incredible.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So this is a super interesting question. So the Hadza, and I would say across the board when it comes to hunter-gatherers, and really you see this pattern in indigenous cultures across the world, they have high rates of maternal and infant mortality. And that means that there are higher rates of kids dying and mothers dying in childbirth.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But if you average it across the lifespan, that brings down their total life expectancy because the infant mortality and maternal mortality is so high. But that's not related to chronic illness, right? That's being a child or a mother in the wild, giving birth in the wild is sometimes dangerous. When I was with the Hadza at their camp, there are two to three year olds just wandering around.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You could step on a rock or fall off a rock. They were climbing over rocks. Snakes, wild animals can just come into camp and take them. There are times that these tribes go through periods of scarcity, which can affect immune function and can lead to infections, which are hard to treat for them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But if you look at the life expectancy of a Hadza hunter-gatherer or a Khoisan hunter-gatherer, there are only a few tribes remaining on the earth that are true hunter-gatherers. The Yanomono in South America have some... so hunter-gatherer members, if you look at their life expectancy, if they reach teenage years, it's the same as ours.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The story is that I was in Africa. So I went from Austin, Texas. I went to Whitefish, Montana, did some snowboarding to take a break from Austin. I thought I need a break. I'm a little bit overwhelmed with all the business stuff and building the brand four years ago, four and a half years ago.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And their health span is better. We call this squaring of the morbidity curve, meaning that if you took a 65-year-old Hadza hunter-gatherer and you put that individual up against the average 65-year-old American... In any competition of running, climbing trees, shooting bows and arrows, it doesn't even have to be a skill-based competition, the Hadza tribe member would destroy us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They do not suffer chronic disease the way that we do. In Western society, we have this sort of inexorable march toward decrepitude, meaning that, and we can talk about the statistics, Obesity rates, diabetes, autoimmunity, even childhood, you know, chronic illness is rising.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we know that as westernized Americans, even though our average life expectancy may be 76, 77, I forget where exactly it is, many of us suffer with limitations in our quality of life from 30 to 40 years old till the end of our life. And Western medicine can keep us alive, but how vital are we? What is our health span?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
How many 60-year-olds out there who can run five miles or 10 miles or climb a tree hand over hand with the balance needed to do that or have strong enough grip strength to hang on a tree branch and do an actual pull-up or can pull a bow back. And the Hadza make the bows themselves, right? Who could pull a bow back with their shoulder muscles and their back muscles, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Who have the vision to see animals in nature. Like they don't have macular degeneration. So these hunter-gatherer tribes do not suffer chronic disease. And that discordance is something that was never taught to me in medical school, but it's so fascinating, right? What are they doing differently than us that allows them to live so well while they're alive.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Because most of us want to live long, but we also want to live well. We don't want to have back pain or shoulder pain that limit us from picking up our children or our grandchildren. I want to be able to surf until I'm 80, 90 years old. It's my favorite thing to do in the world. It's so much fun, right? This is what we want. Hunter-gatherers have it. We really don't as Westernized Americans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that statistic around life expectancy is skewed by higher rates of it's dangerous to be a human in the wild type of things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But that's a great question.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I went to Whitefish and then I went to Africa with a friend of mine to spend time with this tribe in Tanzania called the Hadza. They're some of the last remaining hunter-gatherers on the planet. And I've spent like two weeks there with the Hadza, and we can talk about that, because it's really interesting the way that they live.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Processed meat is not the same as a steak. I'm a huge fan of single ingredient foods. So it's meat, right? It's a steak. It's a New York steak, right? It's ground beef. There are no additives. There are no preservatives. There's no food dyes. So single ingredient foods. It's a chicken breast, right? It's eggs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think that that is one of the greatest and most powerful metrics that you can use to easily make food choices that will increase your health. So this is a really astute question because you go to a grocery store and you think, I can buy ground hamburger or I can buy a hot dog.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And these are not the same thing because the hot dog has nitrates and the hot dog has preservatives or lower quality meat. And because of the lower quality meat and the way it's processed in the factory, it likely has more microplastics potentially contaminated with pesticides. So food quality matters. and single ingredient foods are king.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So when you go to the grocery store and you're looking for meat, you just want to buy meat. You don't want to buy, I mean, preferably you don't want to buy hot dogs or sausages or chorizo, right? Or any of these ingredient containing foods. So when it comes to food choices, the metric that I think is easiest for people at the first level, because I want to give people sort of an on-ramp.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So the first metric that I would use in the grocery store And we'll drill down on this. If people have autoimmune conditions, you can get much more specific and intentional about food choices.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But the first metric that I would use, if you want to lose weight, be healthy, reverse autoimmune disease, have more libido, sleep better, think more clearly, is try to make the majority of your diet single ingredient foods from both plant and animal kingdoms, which means... buy meat, chicken, fish, pork, beef, bison, elk, whatever, eggs, milk. These are all single-ingredient animal foods.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
On the way back from Africa, which is a gnarly journey and all these time zones, I stopped in D.C. to see my family, and Austin, Texas had a huge ice storm. And I thought, I don't want to go back to Austin. They had a huge ice storm. Everything's shut down. It's horrible.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And then eat single-ingredient plant foods. If you want to eat vegetables, that's fine. We can talk about where I think vegetables could cause some people to go off track with autoimmune conditions, but that's further down the rabbit hole. But if you eat fruit and vegetables that are single-ingredient foods, and you eat animal foods that are single ingredient foods, you are going to get healthier.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's very difficult to not be healthy or to improve your health. It's very difficult not to improve your health if you do that. If you want to eat foods that have a label, because those meat sticks I handed you have a label, you read the label and you want to look for foods that your great grandmother would recognize all of the ingredients.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So for instance, on those meat sticks I handed you, the first ingredient is grass-fed beef. After that is organs, which is heart and liver. After that is vinegar and then salt and then a collagen casing. That's it. So your great-grandmother would know what all of those things are. She might not know what collagen is, but collagen is from the intestines of an animal, which she would recognize.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so the jerky that we make is grass-fed beef, vinegar, and salt. And there are foods that are in packages in a grocery store where your grandmother would recognize the ingredients. We can talk about bread a little bit. The grains that we're using now are different than they used to be, and I don't eat bread for a variety of reasons.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But if you want to do bread, with this rule, you could eat a bread that was just flour, water, salt. That's what should be in bread, right? But you go to McDonald's, and the bun of a Big Mac has, I think it's about 55 ingredients, right? in the bun. And this is where it creeps in. You think that's just bread, right? My grandmother would, that's bread.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
No, no, your grandmother wouldn't recognize azodicarbonamide and dimethylpolysiloxane and the four different seed oils, including hydrogenated soybean oil, which are in the bun at McDonald's. So single ingredient foods or simple ingredient foods is the way to start when you're making food choices.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, so every one of those is a little bit—I'll talk about each of them individually. Let's start with fish. So you point this out correctly. When you go, and I've done a lot of videos on this, when you go to Costco or wherever you buy fish, there is no such thing as wild Atlantic salmon. All Atlantic salmon is farm raised.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And they'll say Atlantic salmon and then it'll say small letters farm raised. Most of us have heard that farm-raised fish is much worse than wild-caught fish because it has PCBs, which are polychlorinated biphenyls, and they're feeding these fish fish food. They're feeding them basically the equivalent of a Big Mac is what they're feeding the fish in the tank that are farm-raised, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I'd been hearing about this place in Costa Rica called Santa Teresa, which is where I lived originally, but not where I live now. And I thought, well, I've heard that Santa Teresa is a good place to be a digital nomad. They have good meat, they have internet, and they have good waves, and it's warm water, and I want to get back to surfing. So I'm going to go to Santa Teresa.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And there are parallels across all the species. I have a dog, and I feed my dog raw meat, raw organs, and bone. I always get a little sad when I see people feeding their dogs kibble. And again, this is no judgment if people feed their dogs kibble. I understand that there are financial limitations and not everyone is going to feed their dog just raw animal foods.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But there are better and worse types of kibbles. The majority of kibble for dogs is full of seed oils and really badly processed grains full of pesticides. Well, essentially what they're feeding, the lowest quality kibble that you're feeding to a dog is what they're feeding to fish. So you're feeding your fish kibble in a farm-raised salmon operation, and the fish are just less healthy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They accumulate pesticides, pharmaceuticals, contaminants, microplastics, and PCBs. And so farm-raised fish is not something that humans should be eating. Most people don't know this, but every time I talk about it, it gets a lot of engagement. Farm-raised salmon has coloring added, and sometimes they use beta-carotene, which is a natural coloring, but those farm-raised salmon are not getting
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
the nutrients necessary to make things like astaxanthin, which gives fish its normal pink color in the wild because they're not eating algae. They have to give the fish extra color. So farm-raised salmon would be the color of tilapia or sea bass. It would be white if you didn't feed it more coloring. And so don't eat farm-raised fish.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But even when it comes to wild fish, you have to realize that large wild fish shark, some of the big tunas, swordfish, are very highly contaminated with heavy metals, such that in medicine, if a woman is pregnant, we say, don't eat that in your pregnancy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The biggest ones, swordfish, shark, and some of the big tunas. Even mahi, pretty high. The bigger the fish... the higher it is up the food chain, and the more it accumulates heavy metals. The smaller fish have less heavy metals, but they still have significant amounts. There are documented cases of mercury poisoning from eating sushi. And, you know, sushi could be a mix of salmon plus tuna.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But if you ate tuna every day, you would unequivocally see the levels of heavy metals, mostly mercury, but also cadmium, arsenic, and lead in your body go up just geometrically. So this is the problem. And some tuna is better than other tunas, but tuna is such a big fish that it just has a lot of heavy metals. And this probably wasn't an issue for fish 200 to 300 years ago.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So I went to Santa Teresa from D.C. and thought it was going to be an eight-day vacation, and it just kept getting longer and longer because... Every day I would get up, surf, walk the beach at night, watch the sunset, ground, and I thought, this is the best quality of life I've ever had as a human. I grew up in Washington, D.C., in the suburbs, and I had a pretty good childhood.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We have this industrial cycle where we put these pollutants into the air and then they go into the ocean and they bioaccumulate in the food chain. And we've done this to the ocean. We've created this problem of pollution in the ocean with fish. Even wild caught fish has a significant amount of microplastics. Microplastics are things, there's little tiny, tiny fragments of plastic
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
that hold onto because they're plastic, they kind of magnetize, quote unquote, they get stuck to other chemicals, whether it's organic chemicals, other pesticides. So microplastics themselves are these microscopic or nano type size plastics.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And we think about this in terms of like plastic water bottles, but plastic cutting boards, our biggest exposures are probably those, but fish is quite high in microplastics. And you know they've done studies now showing that there are microplastics in all of us. There are microplastics in human testicles, in human brains. There is an appreciable amount of microplastic in all of our brains.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not even micrograms. I think the actual number is milligram. I'd have to look at the number. It might be half a milligram of microplastic in all of our brains. And this is just from things that we're eating. in our bodies, bringing into our bodies. So fish have microplastics, even wild caught. They have heavy metals. They have forever chemicals, which are called PFAs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We've been hearing a lot about these. And so I would not recommend that people make the majority of their protein from fish. We'll get to it in this interview because we'll talk about why red meat has become so vilified. I think that well-raised red meat is my preference for protein source for humans, but that's the one that gets the most hate, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Because it has more saturated fat, and we'll talk about why that is. But a lot of people trying to be healthy don't eat red meat, and they eat fish, thinking that fish is healthier, but you are accumulating heavy metals, microplastics, forever chemicals, et cetera, when you are eating fish every day. So you must check that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And there are many of high profile cases of people getting heavy metal toxicity from pescetarian diets. Tony Robbins is a good example of this. So that's the sort of dismal outlook on fish. Pork and chicken are grouped together. These are monogastric animals. So in contrast to ruminant animals, so elk, bison, deer, antelope, cows, those are ruminants. Pigs and chicken are monogastric animals.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Humans are also monogastric, and that will be relevant later when we talk about seed oils. But monogastric animals are... problematic because they accumulate polyunsaturated fats and a pig or a chicken is not meant to eat a lot of corn and soy, but that's most of what they're fed today.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So most of the big operations around chicken, even eggs for chickens and pork pigs are feeding them grains, which are corn and soy. And so you can see historically, and there's actual research done about this, that the fatty acid composition of these animals changes based on what they eat. It does the same for humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, I live in Costa Rica.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We can see derivatives of seed oils accumulating in human fat over the last 80 years because we're eating more of these seed oils, which come from corn and soy. And so the fat of a chicken doesn't look like the fat of an ancestral wild chicken. The amount of linoleic acid, which is an 18-carbon protein,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
My parents are wonderful people. They're both still married and alive. My dad's a doctor.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
polyunsaturated fat is much higher in a chicken fed corn and soy than it would be in a chicken eating what a chicken is supposed to eat, which is bugs and worms and maybe a mouse every once in a while in the field. Chickens are pretty omnivorous and pigs are the same way. Pigs root, they're supposed to eat, they will eat small animals too. And they're supposed to eat tubers and things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But when you feed a pig corn and soy, the fat of the pig changes composition. And these grains that most chickens and pigs are fed are not organic. And so you're getting bioaccumulation of pesticides. So you're getting glyphosate. I'm not saying that we shouldn't eat chicken and pork. I'm just making a case for maybe a hierarchy of quality.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
mom's a nurse but i never grew up with that much access to something that was close to nature and fun and so i just kept extending the trip and eight weeks eight days became eight weeks and then six months and then i bought a house and then i sold it and then i moved to another spot in costa rica and it just it's just gone from there and i've never really wanted to leave because it's been such a good quality of life for me
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If you're going to eat chicken and pork, look for something that's pastured from a farmer that you know. I don't want perfect to be the enemy of good for anyone, but there are considerations for each of these meats as we go along the food chain.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So I personally don't eat a lot of chicken and pork because it's hard to find people that are letting their chickens really range and actually eat what they're supposed to eat. The same with pigs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And when we talk about seed oils, we'll talk about why I think excess linoleic acid is a problem for humans. It's a little technical, so I'll save it for this moment, but we'll get to it. But if you're going to eat pork, which is delicious and does have nutrients that are good for humans, and many cultures do eat pigs, or chicken, try and get something that's organic.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So that means the grains they're feeding the animals are organic, so you're not getting as much pesticide contamination. Even better, get it from a farmer-to-farmers market that is letting their animals kind of go more pastured in the settings. And then you have beef, bison, elk, let's call it red meat, lamb.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So what's interesting about these animals is there is a growing sector of the farming market, that agriculture market, where you can buy a grass-fed cow, grass-fed, grass-finished. Ruminant animals are supposed to eat grass their whole life. That's what they do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
In fact, I think there were surveys done in the 1800s that looked at the United States, and there were something like over 50 million ruminants in the United States. So elk, antelope, pronghorn, bison, that's what made sort of the American West and why that land was so fertile. We've monocropped it and decreased the quality of the soil, but the reason the American West...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
west of Louisiana and the Mississippi was so fertile was because these animals were eating grass and pooping and peeing on the land and then stomping and putting all these nutrients from their poop into the land, which makes a healthy soil and that makes a healthy grass. And it just is part of this grassland ecosystem. So these animals are meant to eat grass and cows are kind of a cousin of bison.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And when a cow eats grass, you can see the difference in the steaks. I've done this in my content. You can see the color of the fat and the color of the meat is different. The fat of an animal that eats grass its whole life is much more orange because of the beta-carotene and other carotenoids in the grass that it's eating. A grain-fed cow has very white fat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And to be fair, a lot of grain-fed cattle are actually grain-finished. Most of their life, they're eating grass, but the last 15%, they're taken to a feedlot where they're given lower-quality grains and it makes them fat. And then the farmers can get more money for them because they're a bigger animal and they sell them by the pound. Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So ideally, and again, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Any red meat is healthy for humans and provides benefits for us and it's full of nutrients. But ideally, if you can source or find or afford a grass-fed, grass-finished meat, like a grass-fed hamburger or steak, it's going to be more full of nutrients and less full of problematic things that come with the grains.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Again, you're having pesticide accumulation in the meat. microplastics, PFAs, all that kind of stuff comes when they're fed grains at the end of their life.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not the end of the world, and I've eaten grain-fed, grain-finished meat, you know, and some people prefer it because of the taste, but I do think there's a pretty solid case that a grass-fed, grass-finished cow is the closest thing that most people will get to eating a wild animal. Wild game is probably one of the healthiest things we can eat, depending where it's ranging, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
An animal that's eating what it's supposed to eat and this applies to humans also, is going to be a healthier animal. And all of us are different species, but there is, I think, in all of us, a genetic programming in terms of what we are meant to eat. Humans are the only species that's kind of forgotten this because we've become so separated from the actual gathering and hunting of our food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we don't know what we're supposed to eat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The way the labeling is now, if it says grass-fed, it really should be fed grass its whole life.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's an asterisk there because some farmers can get away with this by feeding hay, which is not fresh grass on a field, or even grass pellets. So there was a picture or a video that went around the internet recently of cows indoors getting fed grass, and that is grass-fed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not ideal, but it's better than a grain-fed cow on a clustered or concentrated feeding animal operation, so a CAFO, or a factory farm. So grass feeding is better, and again, it's unfortunate that it's become so arduous for humans to have to really understand the quality of their meat. But if you see the cows that you're eating and you're talking to a farmer, that's the best thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I know it's not possible for everyone listening to the podcast, but if you can understand the quality of your meat and where it's coming from and how it's raised, that's better. So grass feeding and grass finishing ideally should be cows on pasture outdoors. you know, pooping and peeing in the land because that's also better for the land. That's the way it should be.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If it says grass-fed in the store, it really is meant, unless the farmer is being totally duplicitous, it should be fed grass its whole life. There's an interesting little sidebar here, and I will call Whole Foods out for this, and I've done content on this. There is meat at Whole Foods that says grass-fed or grass-finished, and there's meat at Whole Foods that says pasture-raised.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so that pasture-raised designation does not mean the cow is eating grass its whole life. And you can ask the butchers at Whole Foods and they will be forthcoming with you and say, it was on pasture and then it was fed grains at the end of its life. So that's where it gets confusing for consumers because pasture-raised sounds pretty good to me, but that's not a grass-finished cow.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And do I think that eating grain-fed meat is bad for humans? No. I think that eating grass-fed, grass-finished meat is better for humans and better for the ecosystem in which the cow is raised.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So there's farmers markets. Where I live, there are three farmers markets a week. And I can talk to the farmers and I can say, is this organic?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think you do the best you can with the opportunities you're given. So for instance, in Austin, which might be a little easier than most, it's not exactly a food desert. There are Whole Foods in Austin. There's Central Market in Austin.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, I know, but it's better than a regular Safeway, I think, right? I'm just using it as an example. Whole Foods is okay. I'd give Whole Foods mid-rating.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Maybe five. Oh, yeah, three out of five. I was going to say five out of ten, yeah. Whole Foods is probably three out of five. But look, a lot of things we're going to talk about in this podcast are going to seem overwhelming for people. I just want to provide information. My goal is just to provide information that's as digestible and usable. And I don't want perfect to be the enemy of good.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So yes, the ideal thing is meet farmers in your area, go to farmers. If you can't do that, you don't have time. I do think that the return on investment, the ROI on going to a grocery store and cooking your own food is massive. for most of us. And if someone can afford to have an assistant go shop for them or to have a chef, great. That's probably a 0.1% of all of us who can afford that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
For fun, for surfing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But I think all of us need to understand that life is about choices. And I see this as an entrepreneur now. I'm a traditionally trained doctor, but now I think about ROI. Like you, I think, what's the best use of my time? What is the return on investment?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I know, for me, that spending two hours surfing in the morning, I could be working, quote unquote, but the return on that investment is massive in terms of my happiness and my health and my ability to show up, hopefully, to podcasts like this and be eloquent and provide value.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I would say, similarly, going to a grocery store and buying your food and cooking it for yourself, that is one of the best ROIs, I think, that is available for humans, hands down. I mean... It's not a financial return on investment, but in terms of your health, which is an indirect financial cost later. It is very, very difficult if you do not procure.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Hunting and gathering today happens in grocery stores. You must do your own hunting and gathering today, and you must cook your own food. If you don't do those things the majority of the time, you don't have to do it 100% of the time, it's going to be difficult to be optimally healthy, and your health will suffer. This is why I created things like lineage, right? Here's a snack.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
that I've created something that I would eat, the highest quality standards that we can source anywhere in the world, right? So there are things that can make it easier, but I wouldn't want you to live on lineage meat sticks, right? You could do it for a little while, but it's kind of like a ration, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Like I want you to eat a hamburger sometimes and to eat some fruit, maybe some vegetables if they don't bother your immune system. So I think that understanding where you can find the best meat and plant foods close to you, that's a good thing. You need to know your terrain. And there are food deserts in the United States where it's not easy to even go to those places.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not easy to find a grocery store, but I mean, I've done content where I'll go into a 7-Eleven or a gas station and say, even in here, there are better and worse choices. You know, even in a gas station, you can find the best jerky. It's not going to be an ideal jerky. It might have nitrates, but look, it's better than eating
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
probably the hot dog over there, or it's better than eating the Slurpee at 7-Eleven. And a lot of gas stations have fruit. It's not organic fruit, but they do have fruit. They have cheese. They have more of these single-ingredient, simple foods. So you just do the best you can with what you're given. And even a safe way, now, I've done content at Walmart.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You can go to any Walmart in the country now, I can't say any in the country because I haven't been to every one of them, but I've been to Walmarts in Texas, Walmarts in California, Walmarts in Virginia, Walmarts in Florida. They all have grass-fed beef now. You don't have to spend money on grass-fed beef, but every Walmart has... Beef, single ingredient beef.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And every Walmart that I've ever been to has fruit and vegetables. And again, it doesn't have to be organic if you can't find it, but doing that, that's the hugest step function for humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I feel like I may have, but we don't have those in Texas or other places I've been. Maybe there's one across from where I'm staying in Miami.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I don't mind Sprouts. Sprouts. I don't mind Sprouts. Sprouts isn't bougie. It's not fancy, but... I often go to Sprouts. I can get grass-fed meat that looks good. Sometimes the grass-fed meat at Whole Foods looks better than Sprouts. And I can get organic produce at Sprouts, and they have good honey. When I go to the grocery store, I buy grass-fed meat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I usually have to bring organs with me, either in capsule form. None of these grocery stores have liver, although actually Sprouts does sell liver sometimes. I'll buy meat. I'll buy a cheese, like a raw cheese. I'll buy fruit. I'll buy honey. I'll buy squash. That's what I get at the grocery store. And I can get that. I can get pretty good at sprouts.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I mean, I went to Sprouts last night when I got into Nashville.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's a really nice balance for me. Before the show, we were talking about the jungle and infrared light, and I'm sure we'll talk about that on the podcast, but yeah, it feels very disconnected. I mean, where I live is, I've got a house in the jungle overlooking the ocean, and it's just... All I see is green. Outside my door is just green leaves reflecting infrared light, and it's warm.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Are you a hunter? I do. I hunt with a bow and I've hunted with a rifle once. Just once?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not legal to hunt in Costa Rica. Yeah. But I have so many howler monkeys by my house that every morning and every night, I'll send you a video the next, I'm going back to Costa Rica next week. You hear this. It's like that. And there's sounds like a lion. It sounds like a dog and a lion mix. That's every morning and every night. It's just, it makes me so happy. I have a video on my phone.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'll show you. There's these jungle sounds, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, that's it, and for nature.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are metrics that rank our health, and I think that we spend the most, if not top three in the world on healthcare. I think in 2024 or 2023, it was $4.3 trillion was the number that we spent on healthcare. But our healthcare outcomes, I think we're like 65th or something in the world, give or take. So there's a huge discordance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I would say the diabetes number is much higher than that even, I would say.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, that's formally diagnosed diabetes, but there are other studies that have been done looking at this continuum. And this is what Western medicine really misses when we're talking to patients and when we are taught as doctors to think about this. Diabetes is a continuum.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the reason this is so important to talk about is because metabolic dysfunction, also known as insulin resistance, is that continuum. And that pathology underlies, I would say, 90 plus percent of chronic illness. And this is not hyperbole. The majority of chronic illness that we suffer from as Americans today is based in insulin resistance, also known as metabolic dysfunction.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And 90% of our healthcare costs are related to chronic illness, something that is preventable and reversible with the quality of our diet and how we live. This is what the Hadza don't have. This is what Native Americans did not have historically. So I'll tell you the story. This is pretty interesting. I went to medical school in Tucson, Arizona at the University of Arizona.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The Pima Indians are around Tucson, Arizona. So I went and visited Pima Indian reservations when I was in medical school. The Pima Indians are some of the sickest people in the world today. The rates of obesity and diabetes are over 80 to 90%. 80 to 90%. Wow. Like, what? Okay. And so... 200 years ago, rates of obesity and diabetes were less than 1% in the Pima Indian tribe.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This tribe of Native Americans has genetics that are uniquely susceptible to the environment that they find themselves in now. Ultra processed foods, we can talk about certain things. But 200 years ago, there are pictures online of Pima Indians from 1860, right? They're fit. They have six, they look like healthy, they're healthy humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
but they have a uniquely susceptible genetic makeup to becoming insulin resistant. And so what happened when the Pima Indians had this explosion of chronic illness after we gave them supermarkets full of Cheetos and Fritos and Takis and alcohol is the NIH sent researchers to draw their blood to see what kind of genetics they have that make them susceptible to this chronic illness.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When I got there, I felt very wealthy in terms of sunlight, and that felt really good. I mean, we know sunlight is good for humans. We have ultraviolet, which makes vitamin D and other things in the human body, but you have a full spectrum of light. And being near the equator, it makes so much sense. The temperature in Costa Rica is...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We never thought, oh, maybe we just poisoned them, right? the cause of their illness is black and white. It's absolutely black and white. And yet not once in medical school did this come up. Never once was I taught to think about this or challenged to think about this from a professor saying, what do you think about the Pima Indians? How do we help them?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The way to help the Pima Indians is to educate them, maybe provide subsidies or something for them to buy single ingredient foods. But I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that if you gave the Pima Indians the foods that they ate 200 years ago, they would become healthier. And we've seen this. There have been research studies done on this. It's done with Aborigines.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I forget exactly what lineage it was in Australia. The same thing happens with these indigenous people all over the world. When they eat westernized foods, which are full of seed oils, refined grains, processed sugars, pesticides, food dyes, they become ill. And the same thing is happening to westernized humans. And so when you look at this continuum of insulin resistance,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Multiple studies estimate that as Americans, 86 to 93% of us, 86 to 93, have at least one metric that puts us on that continuum. So diabetes is the end stage. But I would say more than 85% of Americans are on the road to diabetes. And this is the problem. And again, my assertion here very strongly would be, it's not hard to get off that train, right? It's what we eat and how we live.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
majority of it is what we eat and how we live. Very, very rarely, there's a genetic mutation, polymorphism that is unavoidable. This is less than 1% of humans. Most of us are very sick and we're sick because of how we're living and eating. And because these foods are sold to us now, and then when you go to see a doctor, I was never taught to ask people about what they're eating in medical school.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I was never given a single nutrition course. I was taught what drugs to prescribe for what illness. That was what's on my boards, right? So the step one, the step two, the step three, this is what determines a doctor's success in life. It means what specialty you can go into, what residency, how prestigious you can go, how far you can go in medicine are your boards.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's not a single question on the board exam. I mean, I think every board exam is... I forget how many questions. It might be 1,500 questions. You know, thousands of questions that I answered over the course of my medical career to become a licensed medical doctor. I don't remember a single question about nutrition because we were never taught that. It's not what we're held up to think about.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's pretty much between 76 and 84 degrees Fahrenheit year-round. It's so easy to be a human there. I rarely wear a shirt. I almost never wear shoes. I never close the windows in my house. I sleep with all my windows open, and so I'm connected to the outdoors so much more. I don't have to use air conditioning. I don't have recycled air. The water from my house comes from a stream.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah. So that's just the crazy standard that we find ourselves in. But it's important to understand that, yeah, like diabetes, maybe formally diagnosed 11%. the number of people going to become diabetic, much, much higher. Because if 70% of Americans are obese and overweight, and those are two different categories of BMI, body mass index, I would argue that
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Almost everyone, if not every single person who is obese or overweight has some degree of insulin resistance. And this is metabolic dysfunction. And at a cellular level, this means that you can't take the food you eat and convert it into usable energy in your human body. That happens through your mitochondria. So mitochondria are these little cellular organelles that are in...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
almost every cell of our body. Red blood cells don't have mitochondria, but everything else has mitochondria. And so this is where the energy gets made for everything we do in our life. Human life runs because of the movement of electrons. And the food that we're eating is electrons, essentially.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And those electrons are passed onto intermediates, which move the electrons into the electron transport chain in the mitochondria. So that's very, very microscopic. And this is, you know, when you eat, let's say you eat an apple or you eat a steak, That steak is giving you nutrients. It's giving you vitamins and minerals. You're getting protein. You're getting amino acids.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And in a steak, you're getting mostly protein, which doesn't end up as an energy substrate, but there's fat in the steak. So fat is broken down to create these energy substrates. And if you eat an apple, you're getting glucose and fructose and sucrose. If you eat a potato, you're getting long chain polymers of glucose, like starches. And that is energy to your body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the way that happens is that gets broken down into... little smaller fragments, and those fragments donate electrons to molecules like NADH and FADH2, which move those electrons to this electron transport chain. And that electron transport chain in your mitochondria is where everything happens. Because as the electrons move down the chain, you create a potential.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And hydrogen, so protons move across the inner mitochondrial membrane. I know we're very microscopic now. I'll zoom out in a second. Protons move across the inner mitochondrial membrane. And then at the end of the mitochondrial membrane, they move down a concentration gradient through this little nanomotor that makes ATP. And ATP runs everything in your body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's the energy currency of your body. That is the sort of dollars and cents of your body that your body spends on creating energy hormones, proteins, cellular membrane, repairing things, making DNA. You need energy to live. But that process of energy creation is impaired by the foods we eat. And that is what insulin resistance, metabolic dysfunction look like at a molecular level.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So our actual, the engine of our car is being broken by the fuel we're putting in it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It would go a long way, and we probably need bottom-up and top-down. And top-down, I mean maybe governmental regulation of things that are frankly poisonous for humans. And the bottom-up is mostly what I do now. Maybe I'll get to be involved in the Maha movement and help RFK with some of this Maha stuff, but we'll see. But the education helps. People will wake up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
on the mountain. So there's no fluoride, there's no chlorine, there's no pesticides, there's no pharmaceuticals in my water. And it's just, it's clean air, clean water. There's no cell service at my house. So I have a wifi router at my house and I turn the wifi off and I use ethernet cables. So I'm sure we'll talk about
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's a really sad thing I'll tell you that there are these places, I mentioned this earlier, there are these places in the United States called food deserts where it's difficult for people to actually access single ingredient foods or they have to go a certain number of miles to get to an actual grocery store. And there are grocery stores, these are very rural, poor communities.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You know, if you're driving across the country, you're going to encounter these. And there are grocery stores, there are places in the States where it's difficult to find actual meat or fruits and vegetables.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But most of the food deserts are food deserts by choice, which is really sad, that people in these communities haven't been educated, don't understand, and have really been, I would say, addicted to processed food, which is very addictive. And grocery stores or corner markets in these places in the past may have carried fruit and vegetables, but nobody bought them and they rot on the shelf.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so they become a food desert by consumer choice. So that's scary, and that actually is a testament, a very sinister testament, to how addictive some of these ultra-processed foods are.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That if you provide a choice in some of the poorest communities in America between a Snickers bar and Doritos, and let's say an apple or a banana or an orange, most people are going to choose the Snickers bar and the Doritos. And that is a problem. So what do we do there? That's a good question. And I'll mention this because it's relevant. So in these poorest communities,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
SNAP, which is food stamps, so Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, is used significantly. So at a governmental level, I think we could help things by not allowing food stamps to be able to be used to buy junk food. So I think it's the food stamp budget, I think is $112 or $15 billion a year that goes out to people. 70 plus percent of that gets used by people on junk food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's the problem, right? That I think fixes a big part of this. If you disallow the use of food stamps for junk food, you make a big step in the right direction. Now, the argument on the other side is that that is classist, racist, or elitist, because these people don't have access to foods, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But the reason they don't have access is because they've made choices because they don't want those foods. So it's some combination, I think, of governmental programming change and actual education of people in these communities, potentially bringing them the good foods. The other thing I'll say about food stamps, which is crazy, is that 10% of those food stamps gets used on soda.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You cannot make an argument to me that Coca-Cola and other sodas have any redeeming quality in human health. Yeah. And 10% of food stamps go toward that. So at a governmental level, a top-down level— Surprise, not more. Surprise, not more. Yeah, right? So I think education could help, and I think that there's a lot of double standards.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And, of course, the reason for that is because Coca-Cola lobbies.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
rf emf wi-fi type stuff in the podcast too hopefully and so i have zero rf emf at my house and i can just live in that environment and sort of do the experiment do i feel differently because growing up i lived in the suburbs and there was a time when i was around 22 that i through hiked the pacific crest trail so i walked from mexico to canada and that's on a wilderness trail that's continuous
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think that... The programming of Americans is a really important thing to talk about. So we can talk about pharma because the U.S. and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical ads on TV. And this is, again, we're talking about very disruptive ideas here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If any of these got into practice, if we stopped allowing pharma ads on television, which I think we should, and hopefully this administration will consider, And I know Bobby is for this. And hopefully he gets confirmed like today or tomorrow, you know, on Monday or something. But that would single-handedly change the landscape because so many media companies would collapse.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The budget for CNN would be reduced. I mean, remember during Pfizer, that's what we call COVID now, it was Pfizer. Remember during COVID, which we're renaming Pfizer, there was this sort of meme or this video people made of all the different shows on CNN that were sponsored by Pfizer, whether it was Anderson Cooper, et cetera.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So you think about the budget for so many media news outlets and how much of that comes from pharmaceuticals. So disallowing pharmaceutical ads on television would change the media landscape. And I don't really... I wouldn't miss any of it. I think legacy media is horrible, and I think that they're just brainwashing people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But what about, and this is just a suggestion, what about not allowing junk food to be advertised on television? How many ads are there for Frosted Flakes and Skittles? This food is not good for our children. It's not good for us. Why are we allowing... Nabisco to advertise for Oreos on television. Again, I think that I can hear people responding saying, it's free speech. I'm all for capitalism.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Every night for three and a half months, I slept on the ground on a sleeping mat, but I was out in nature. It was one of the most joyous, simple times in my life. But I think that there's something about being in nature that's good for humans. And that changed me. And I feel like I'm closer to that when I'm in Costa Rica.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm not trying to return to a communist state or socialism, but I'm just thinking out loud. Is the marketing that we're seeing on television programming kids at a young age? Is it programming adults? I don't know where you draw the line, right? Does Domino's Pizza get to advertise on television? When I was growing up, there was Little Caesars and Papa John's.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You know, none of these foods, I can make a strong case that none of these foods are good for humans. And we can go down the list. But I think that there has been a concerted effort by these multinational processed food companies to shift blame away from them. And so Coca-Cola, this is really interesting. Coca-Cola has done some pretty sinister things. And this is just what I know about Coke.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm sure the other soda companies have done the same things. But Coca-Cola has funded hundreds of research studies. Coca-Cola has given millions of dollars. I think it might be in the hundreds of millions of dollars to universities to do research over the years. And what kind of research do they do? They do research on why junk food is not bad for you as long as you stay in energy balance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I think this idea of calories and energy balance is one of the most misleading concepts for Americans in our nutrition space. Coca-Cola actually funded something called the Global Energy Balance Network. And the whole idea here is you can eat junk food as long as you exercise. You can out-exercise a bad diet, Sean.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
To me, this is completely false because there are so many components in the junk food that impair mitochondrial energy production. The simple fact of the matter, and I would love to debate anyone about this, and hopefully more of these will happen in a way that people can actually understand when we're doing the debates, but all calories are not created equally.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Weight loss does happen if you're in a caloric deficit. This is thermodynamics, right? Yes, you can lose weight eating 1500 calories of donuts per day. you will not be healthy and I guarantee you will be very hungry.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And when you stop keeping yourself in a calorie restricted prison, you will overeat and you will binge and you will gain that weight back because you have impaired your mitochondrial electron transport chain because of the poisonous, I would say toxic additives in these foods. So this is a crazy debate that happens on X and these forums. People will advocate All foods fit, Sean.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That is the rallying cry of dieticians all over the world. All foods fit, just don't eat too much. This is why things like Weight Watchers were created. And you see those little snack packs of Oreos and it says 150 calories. And it's okay to eat junk food as long as you don't exceed your caloric threshold.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm just closer to nature and closer to that sort of memory of just being in the natural world. And it's just, it's meant everything for me over the last few years. I went down during COVID. So there was a lot of political stuff happening too. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What we're not being told is that additives, ingredients in these ultra processed foods impair our ability to make energy from them. They're poisonous. to our metabolism. They're poisonous to the very things that give us life as humans. We are sort of an anti-entropic process. Entropy is one of these laws of thermodynamics that all things in the universe tend toward disorder.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But look it, this is not disorder. There are incredibly complex cellular processes happening in you and I as we sit across this room. We are breaking entropy, and physicists will say that because we're producing heat, the overall amount of entropy in the system is still going up. But you and I are are bounded, we are membrane-bound organisms that are fighting against entropy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the way that we fight against disorganization is with ATP. When a human dies, the body decays. What's different? We may say the soul, but also cellular energy production is not happening in a human that's dead, right? And that person is buried or cremated or something. But a dead animal is the same thing. The animal starts rotting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If we do not make energy in our cells, we begin decaying in the same way. We begin dying. We need this energy. And that is what this is all about, metabolic health, the ability of your mitochondria to make energy. And so many of the ingredients in these processed foods, whether it's dyes or things that disrupt our gut microbiome or seed oils, directly impair energy production in the mitochondria.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so saying to someone, Coca-Cola's global energy balance network says, it's okay to drink Coca-Cola, just make sure you get a walk-in. That's sinister. That's nefarious. That's how these companies are working against us and brainwashing us and our children into thinking all foods fit. It's okay to feed your children Oreos. just make sure they get some green beans on the side.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But what we're not being honest about is how the ingredients in the Oreos, the ingredients in the Doritos, the Takis, whatever, are actually poisonous for humans. And the quality of the calories in impairs your ability to do calories out. So that's the equation that people will come back to online. Calories in, calories out. Yes, it works thermodynamically, but the quality of the food we eat
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affects how much energy we can make on the back end. And that's where we've really gone wrong. Because believe me, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Kraft, Nestle, Nabisco, Conagra, they do not want you to eat quality food. They want you to eat their ultra-processed food, which is cheaper, has a better shelf life, and has more of a profit margin for them. They don't want you to eat a banana.
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They don't even want you to eat oatmeal. They want you to eat an oatmeal cookie or a banana-flavored gummy bear, right? Something like this. Or they don't want you to eat meat. They want you to eat a plant-based alternative. Or they want you to eat an ultra-processed meat thing at a restaurant or something. So this is the problem, is that the quality of food is paramount.
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You know, it was a little bit. Every time I went back to the States, I had to do a COVID test. And in a lot of the grocery stores, when I first got down there, you had to wear a mask. So they were enforcing some things. Costa Rica kind of just follows. They don't really question much. But it was much more free, I think, than the States was.
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And we've really, really been misled. And I think it's a concerted effort. I think it's an intentional misleading of humans to confuse us. And that's really bad. But I think that the way forward is very simple. Returning to high-quality food, and we can drill down on what I think is best for humans. We've talked a little bit about the spectrum of meats already.
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Returning to high-quality food solves these problems. And this is what I wasn't taught in medical school, but it's why I do what I do today, because I have seen and met and talked to online now thousands, if not tens of thousands of people who have had their chronic illnesses reversed by changing the quality of the foods they eat. Diseases that I was taught in medical school were incurable.
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Name a couple of the chronic illnesses you've seen reversed. Diabetes, obesity, depression, suicidality. I personally had eczema that I reversed by changing my diet.
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Eczema is a skin condition with like itchy, bumpy skin, psoriasis, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, Crohn's, and ulcerative colitis. So I've met people who said their doctor wanted to surgically remove their colon. In ulcerative colitis, we often physically scar people for life. We remove the colon. Some people who have ulcerative colitis end up with a colostomy bag.
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which is how medicine treats this. And if they need it, they need it. But that's very difficult for someone to live their life. Imagine dating, you know, or living your life with a colostomy back. But I've met people who said, my doctor wanted to operate on my colon and I changed my diet. They did a carnivore diet or an animal-based diet, which is basically meat plus fruit.
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and they no longer need a colectomy or a colostomy back.
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Is this months? It happens in weeks to months. Weeks to months? Weeks to months, depending on the condition, yeah. Weeks to months. Wow. It doesn't even take that long. The human body is very malleable. And it doesn't happen overnight, right? It's not, you know, you skip one meal, right? But it happens within weeks to months.
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Some people it takes a year or so, but some of the most striking ones are the psychiatric illnesses, bipolar, suicidality, psychosis, depression, because those affect so much else in people's lives. Infertility, I mean, this is one of the most, you know, endearing things is when a couple wants to have a child and they try everything and then they just change their diet.
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maybe adding in some organs and suddenly they can have babies. Wow. That's amazing. Wow. Healthy babies too. Wow. And I mean, the list goes on. It's almost, if you can name a medical condition, I can find you a case study of someone that I've met or talked to that has almost certainly reversed it with their diet. Now, I want to be clear to clarify this. It doesn't work in everyone 100%, right?
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Because they did close the beaches, apparently, in Costa Rica. I was living in San Diego before I was in Austin, and that was when COVID first started, and they closed the beaches.
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But what I've seen, I think, is nothing short of miraculous. And everyone is complex. Sometimes people have other things going on in their life that are beyond food. They have traumatic things. They have trauma in their past. They live in a very toxic environment.
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Sometimes if someone is living in a moldy building, right, and they have brain fog, they're going to need to do more than change their diet. So I'm not saying that changing your diet cures everyone of everything 100%, but what bigger lever? And I was never taught about this in medical school. And so it's cool to get to do this work and to see these people.
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And living in Costa Rica, one of the downsides is I don't meet people in person. When I see a comment on a thread or something I've done online that said, hey, this really helped me, I think that's great. But having the person walk up to me every single time I smile. And I think like, tell me your story. What happened? And that keeps me doing what I do because that means so much to me.
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And there's so many stories of people. And sometimes, you know, I don't think that a carnivore or an animal-based diet are the only ways to do that. I think broadly, improving food quality is the first step. And some people with autoimmune disease need to really clarify and intentionally choose foods, and they have to go carnivore or animal-based. Not everyone needs to go that far, but not...
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falling prey to the calories marketing, to the you can drink Coca-Cola, just go on the exercise bike, 15 more minutes marketing, and improving food quality. That is an act of rebellion that is so powerful for humans. It's so cool. And so that's really, as I come back to this in what I do, That's what I really feel most excited about sharing with people.
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I was recently at a conference in Phoenix and I gave a talk and I think there were probably 10,000 people in the audience. Trump spoke there. It was really cool to see him in person. And I just want people to know that whatever you're suffering from,
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Any of the chronic illnesses we listed, it's almost certainly able to be massively improved, if not completely reversed, by changing what you eat, and your doctor won't tell you that.
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So in Costa Rica, I get up real early. I get up at probably 5 or 5.30 because the sun comes up early there. One of the things I like about living in the equator is that there's not a lot of variation, days and nights, different times of the year. It's kind of 12 and 12 all year round with a little bit of variation seasonally, but sun comes up between 5 and 6 a.m. all year round.
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So I get up with the sun. I don't use an alarm. First thing I do when I get up is I go outside, I get sunlight in my eyes, grounding, a little bit of light movement, and I eat in the morning immediately. I don't do intermittent fasting or anything. And the first thing I eat in the morning in Costa Rica is pretty consistent.
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So I can tell you what I eat in the day as a part of this, and it's the same every day. I'm very consistent with this. I do raw goat's milk with a local honey that's organic. I put in some organs from hardened soil and I put in some creatine. I put in some methylated B vitamins because I have polymorphisms around folate metabolism, this MTHFR polymorphism, and throw in a little bit of salt.
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And so that's my morning breakfast is raw milk with organs, honey, creatine,
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It's the desiccated organ capsule from heart and soil.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, you could mix it up, but no. It's an organ capsule. And then I go surf. So I'll go in the ocean for two, two and a half hours. And I'll surf, and I'm just, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, go crazy. I'm just trying to enjoy myself. Sometimes I'll spend a little extra time on the beach. I'll put the slack line up and just hang out with friends.
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I usually get home 8.30 or 9. Sometimes there's a farmer's market. If it's a farmer's market day, I'll go to the farmer's market and get... meat from a local butcher that has local grass-fed cows, or local fruit, organic fruit, and get some raw goat milk from the farmers. And I've been to the goat milk farm, which is pretty cool. And then I'll eat some breakfast. Breakfast is usually
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It was crazy. When I was living in San Diego, I was surfing, but I also had a foil board. Do you know what a foil board is? Is that the thing Laird made? That's what Laird made, right? So it's a board with a mast and then a wing below it. And I had an electric foil board. And I would go to this inlet, the Hedionda Reservoir in San Diego, and I would go on my foil board.
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About half a pound or three-fourths of a pound of meat, some kind of red meat. I eat red meat every day. Red meat is 99% of the meat that I eat. I don't fear it. We can talk about saturated fat and how it's become vilified, how I think it's very misleading for people to be fearful of red meat. But I eat red meat, whether it's a burger or a steak, I'll cook it on my grill.
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I'll have a little more raw milk, some fruit, maybe some squash for breakfast. And at that point, I'll start doing whatever work I'm going to do for the day, whether it's calls with my team, social media team, or research team. I might do some research. Maybe I'll do a podcast in the afternoon.
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If I have somebody on my show and we're doing virtually, I usually take a break in the middle of the day and do a slight workout, like a mini workout. I've got a gym at my house. Maybe I'll do some pull-ups. I like Nordic curls. You know what a Nordic is? It's like you're facing the ground and you have your ankles and you kind of hinge at your knees and go down like that.
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It's incredible for your hamstring. Mm-hmm. Maybe do a couple sprints on the treadmill. I built a skate ramp at my house in Costa Rica. No kidding. To practice surfing. So maybe I'll skate for a little bit in the middle of the day. And then in the afternoon, I'll kind of go back to productive block time.
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Same kind of stuff, whether it's research, content creation, ideation with my team, or podcasting. And then by three or four, I'm usually turning off for the day and trying to wind down and unplug a little bit. No shit. Yeah, sometimes.
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I mean, you're doing a lot of great work. Maybe I need to be doing more. But I'll do, you know, I do these work blocks where I'm doing like focused work, right? Right now I'm writing a book, another book. I wrote one book about the carnivore diet. Right now I'm writing another book. So in the afternoon I'll use maybe one of those focused work blocks.
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to do editing of the book or talk to my editor about ideas or something. But yeah, I probably work four to five hours a day max. But that might be on a weekend too. There's no definition between weekdays and weekends. But yeah, I try to, I protect my time. And then, you know, when the sun is going down, I'm not working. The sun goes down at five or six. I'm trying to be off the computer.
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I probably had a little snack or another meal in the middle of the day, then I'll eat dinner. And for me, my food is kind of the same. It's red meat, it's raw milk, it's a little bit of organs and it's fruit or honey with squash. I eat that throughout the day. And that idea of like organs, meat, fruit, honey, raw dairy is kind of like the carnivore diet 2.0. I've just termed it animal-based.
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Actually, Joe Rogan kind of termed it animal-based when I was on his podcast many years ago. But I like that definition just so people have a working term of the way to eat that I'm eating. It doesn't have to be for everyone, but it's a good framework for people. I'll eat that way throughout the day. In the evening, I'll hang out with friends, maybe go watch a sunset.
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Yeah, and then at dark, all the blue lights... I don't even use blue lights in my house because I have a bunch of windows. Everything is open air in my house. All the windows are open during the day. I'm trying to get grounding and sunlight during the day. And then at night, I use just red lights because I'm really protective of my circadian rhythm.
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And I try to be off my phone for a few hours before I go to sleep. Maybe... Maybe meditate, maybe creative work, reading a book, like a real book or a non-flickering device like a Kindle or a daylight tablet or something, or listening to an audio book or a podcast. And then I'm usually going to sleep at like 8.30 legitimately. Wow.
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Very rarely. I was telling you that my Airbnb, they're hit and miss, right? Airbnbs. And so I went to grill this morning. I think that... You talked about time earlier, and I really feel like the return on investment for me of preparing my food is worth it. So I brought you some meat sticks.
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It's an electric foil board. You don't need anyone to pull you, and you can kind of essentially fly around. The board is out of the water. And during COVID, they closed it. You couldn't even go in the water. And I thought, forget this. I just went in by myself. And I'm foiling around the reservoir by myself. I'm thousands of feet from any human.
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I'm traveling with some meat sticks from Lineage, this company that I built that I value, but I also want to bring my own food. So I made squash in the oven last night, and you had some squash. I have a glass container with meat and squash. 99% of the time that meat in that container is cooked on a grill.
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So it was just this random thing that happened this morning where I opened the grill at the Airbnb and I thought, that is disgusting. I can't find a grill brush. I'm preparing for your podcast. I don't want to spend the time. I'm just going to eat it raw. So I just put a little salt on it and I'm just eating.
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I mean, you're incredibly successful, and what you've built brings value to so many people, so who could criticize it? My wife. Yeah.
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Do you get enough time with your kids?
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No, I don't. I grew up with a dad who I didn't see much. He was an internal medicine doc, and so I think I learned or I decided early on in my life that I didn't want to repeat that. And when I have children— I want to spend as much time as I can with them, so I've just kind of built my life in a way to do that. Now, my life hasn't always been like this. I think that founding two companies helps.
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Right now, most of my work is podcasting, research, writing a book, and working with my team. But, you know, I have the resources to have a social media team now, which helps me. I don't have to be the one posting on Instagram. I don't have to be the one editing videos. It just creates a lot of efficiency for me and that stuff. But, yeah, I value my free time personally.
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It's just kind of something that I do. And yeah, I really love to surf and spend that time outdoors and the other time. And I mean, but for years and years, right? I was in, first I went to PA school. So I was a physician assistant before I went to medical school. I worked in cardiology for four years as a PA.
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So I had two years of master's, a PA, two years of a master's degree to become a physician assistant, then four years in cardiology. Before that in college, I worked my tail off, man, you know, Like I was so insecure in college about my intelligence that I just studied all the time. I basically ate junk food in college that I ate, worked out and studied.
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It's jungle, it's ocean. I mean, I was living in Austin, Texas before I moved to Costa Rica, and I had just started a company called Heart and Soil Supplements. They make organ capsules. And so I was trying to do podcasting and build a company, and I just felt like I wasn't having enough fun. I've learned over the years that
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And then in medical school, I studied really hard. In residency, I worked really hard. And then for the first few years, building my brand and my companies, I was super grinding. But throughout all of it, I've had this kind of persona of my father in the background, never wanting to become my father. So what I'm very careful of is I don't want my work to ever affect my health negatively.
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I mean, you guys see it. I really do try to live what I preach, sometimes to a fault. I think that I'm pretty intense about it. And when I'm traveling, I'm bringing all my food. I don't eat in airports. I rarely eat in restaurants unless I know the quality. But that's all worth it to me to spend time doing those things. And I I really keep my own health as like a prize.
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And a policeman saw it or someone called it in from the neighborhood. And I saw there were flashing lights at the entrance where I would get out. And I thought, oh, that guy's going to give me a ticket. And I think it was like a thousand dollar ticket for breaking the quarantine or breaking these rules and COVID. And so I just waited him out. I just stayed in it.
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And I saw my father's health suffer. My father had his first heart attack when he was in his forties and I'm 47 years old. Wow. So I have a history of early onset heart disease in a primary relative. And I had a coronary artery calcium scan a few years ago, and I have zero.
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And a CAC scan is not the most perfect metric of coronary artery calcium, but mine was zero, eating a similar diet to what I eat now. I think I was 43 at the time, and I should repeat that scan now. But it was just preventative, and I wanted to sort of prove things to the community, because at the time, my cholesterol was higher than it is now.
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But I saw my father have a heart attack, become obese, sleep apnea, and he was a doctor. He should have known better, but he never really struck that work-life balance well. And so I think it's just become a value of mine and kind of central to me to stay fit and to, like, prioritize time to play and relax as much as I can. And it doesn't always work out like that.
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Sometimes when I'm traveling, you know, I'm kind of—I'm really— You're wrapped up in it? I'm working a lot when I'm traveling, if I'm making content with my team when I'm traveling and studying and researching. But I do try to prioritize my sleep and keep the circadian rhythm good because I know how much this affects everything else in my body.
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So it's just a big value for me is to stay healthy in what I'm doing and not push too hard because I think you can easily, I could easily go over the edge there too.
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No nothing? Nothing. I've really only drunk five, six times in my life. I've only been drunk four or five times in my whole life. I never really enjoyed it. Had a major hangover after. I've probably consumed alcohol ten times in my whole life. It just doesn't do much for me.
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Oh, incredible. I mean, alcohol is such a, it's poisonous. I mean, many people have highlighted the fact that there are studies showing that even an average of one drink per day thins the neocortex of your brain. So it's just not a great thing for humans. And I'm not trying to pretend that I'm a saint or that I think people should be held to impossible standards.
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And I think enjoying your life is part of it. But for me, the value equation with alcohol doesn't compute. The calculus isn't there, yeah.
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In Costa Rica, it's mostly surfing. And then I still dabble in martial arts. So when I was in medical school, I did a moderate, I did a bunch of nogi jiu-jitsu for about two years. And I've kind of, started to do a little bit of striking Muay Thai boxing and I'm not proficient in any of it by any means, but I like it.
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So when I'm not surfing, if I want to work out, I have a Muay Thai bag in my house and some mats and I might train a little bit in terms of the martial arts stuff. I like movement, whether it's like surfing or I love the technicalities of movement and boxing and, you know, kinetic chess and jujitsu and wrestling. So sometimes I'll do that. I don't lift a lot of weights.
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I didn't have anything else to do that afternoon, thankfully. I waited him out. I just sat on my foil board in the middle of the reservoir. It's like a brackish saltwater, freshwater reservoir. I just sat there. And then... He waited for four or five hours. Eventually, I went to this little inlet and kind of snuck around. And there was a house full of people.
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Because I'm not trying to get bulky. I don't want, not that lifting weights makes you bulky, but I think that I just have a physique that stays muscular without a lot of weights. So I'll do pull-ups. I like things that lengthen my body. I like body weight exercises. I like the way that a pull-up feels because I can feel my spine release and kind of lengthen after sitting during the day.
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So I'll do pull-ups. I might do 20 pull-ups a day. I'm nothing crazy. I'm not like Goggins. I'm not doing 1,000 pull-ups a day or anything. Yeah, yeah. I like mobility. I like squatting. I like banded mobility for my shoulders. Like I said, I skateboard sometimes on my ramp, which is just kind of fun.
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Yeah. I sprint sometimes on the beach, but when I go to a gym, when I'm traveling, I hit the punching bag. That's just what I like to do. Yeah. In addition to looking for raw milk everywhere I go, I now have to look for punching bags. And that's harder and harder because the gyms don't have punching bags.
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And sometimes I get stuck at Lifetime with this crappy punching bag, but it's better than nothing. And I travel with my boxing gloves everywhere.
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Yeah, I can go to restaurants on dates and stuff. I'm single, you know. If I'm going on a date with a woman, I can go to a restaurant. I just want to know they don't cook in seed oils, so I don't get to the restaurant and decide not to eat anything. Because if a restaurant cooks in seed oils, I will not eat at the restaurant.
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I will not eat food cooked in seed oils. I'm fairly hard on that line. So I can go to restaurants sometimes. And when I'm traveling in the States, if I'm on a date with a woman, I might go to a restaurant. And I try to like, the circadian rhythm stuff is probably the most impactful with regard to socializing because I like to try and go to sleep at the same time every night.
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But I was just in DC for the inauguration at the Maha Ball and another ball. And I was happy to completely tank my circadian rhythm by staying up until one in the morning, but I know, and this is actually what happens when I wake up in the morning, I feel foggy, I don't feel great, I have to get a workout before I feel, I know that the next day I'm not as productive, I'm not as sharp.
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And this comes from training jujitsu, I think, in medical school, thinking, I'm going to be on a mat with a guy who wants to break my arm, destroy my knee, or choke me unconscious. Like, I'm going to show up to that as sharp as possible. So I'm always thinking, like, what's the return on this investment?
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I'm willing to stay out late if I really feel like it's great friends and I want to connect with people. I'm not willing to make bad, quote-unquote, choices with regard to food. But I am willing to flex the circadian rhythm some. But I try to...
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really just show up as good as I can every day in the world because it's much less fun to surf when I'm kind of foggy from staying up too late the night before. I just try to bring my friends to me by creating a fun environment and hang out with my friends earlier and say, hey, can we go to dinner at 5 and not 7.30 or 8 o'clock at night? But it is just kind of give and take.
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And I said, hey, can I bring my foil board up? And I went and walked over. And he was sitting right by my truck. The people in the neighborhood must have said, that's his truck. And the cop was sitting there. And then eventually, he left.
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And I have great friends. And sometimes people ask me this online. They say, well, how do you do that? Isn't that hard to make friends? And I think, look, if somebody doesn't want to be friends with me because I don't drink or smoke or any of these things, our values are not aligned. It's not going to be a great friendship anyway. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I am not a hermit. I like humans.
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I like talking to humans. I value relationships, both friendship relationships and romantic relationships. I value all of that. It's just kind of this, I just probably put the dial a little more toward being boring and square than most people do.
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Sometimes I go to restaurants.
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What's that? At home in Costa Rica?
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Go to a friend's house for dinner. I'll have dinner with friends, have them over to my house with friends. I'll surf with friends. We watch sunsets together a lot. It's uniquely Costa Rican things, yeah. Go on the beach together, take my dog for a walk on the beach and see friends, yeah. Put a slack line up.
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I just built a really cool pool at my house, and I was able to put an ozone generator on the pool so there's no chlorine in the pool. Nice. And I built a platform on the roof of my house. It's 21 feet from the roof to the pool. So the pool is 12 feet deep. Nice. I have people over and we hang out at the pool and listen to the howler monkeys.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You know, humans tend to accumulate a voltage, and when we touch the Earth, the voltage goes away. This is the movement, the actual movement of electrons can go between the human body and the Earth. And I was super skeptical, but there's actually published literature about grounding decreasing inflammatory markers, grounding changing the charge on the outside of your red blood cells,
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, so it just kind of feels good.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
No, no, I'm just walking barefoot on the earth. And that sounds more hippie than it needs to be. I mean, you can ground, most of the time you can ground on cement. You can just walk barefoot. You can walk out your house and just, I mean, I even do it here. I did it this morning at my Airbnb in Nashville.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yes. But this policeman, who I respect, right? Thank you for your service. Like, literally during COVID, the best use of his time was trying to give me a ticket for foiling by myself in the middle of a reservoir, and he waited for four to five hours for this.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I just go out outside of the Airbnb barefoot and try and walk on the ground a little bit in the morning. And in Costa Rica, it's much easier for me, right? Because I'm barefoot all the time and you don't even have to wear shoes to go into a grocery store in Costa Rica. But grounding is an interesting thing. It's something that humans have always done.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We've always kind of been touching the earth, but we're more separated from it now. And there seems to be benefits. I don't think it needs to be something that people obsess over, but just go take, you know, I think even in the winter, it's okay to take your shoes off and just go stand in the grass for a couple minutes. It's good to be outside in general.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this is something we were talking about with the jungle. So I've been thinking a lot about light recently. So I think a lot about food and nutrients, but I also think a lot, I've been thinking a lot about light and light is in a lot of ways a nutrient. And so in order to be in the podcast studio and to get the lights to look good, we're using artificial lights.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This is obviously not outdoors in the sun, So the light, the spectrum of wavelengths of light that we're getting in here is not what we would get outside. There's no infrared light indoors. And there's also no ultraviolet indoors, which is something we can talk about as well. And this light that we're using indoors is enriched in blue, which is around 400 nanometers, 410, something like that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So it's an artificial type light indoors. And so I'm not sure that it's good for humans to spend all of our time in fake, or I should say, sort of partially limited indoor lighting, right? And this, again, I'm not trying to make it impossible for anyone to live their life. What I am trying to highlight is the idea that it's very valuable to be outside for even part of the day.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we were talking on the break of the podcast for a minute, and I said to one of the guys, like, let's just go step outside for a minute. It just feels good to be outdoors for me in the sunlight. And it's winter in Nashville, so there's no ultraviolet right now because the sun isn't very high. but there's infrared and there's a full spectrum of wavelengths that are visible.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so that's interesting because the infrared light specifically is valuable for humans at the level of the mitochondria. And I didn't know this till recently, but there's actual data and published studies to show that infrared wavelengths, whether it's 800 nanometers on up, it's a very large amount of infrared in the spectrum, they allow our mitochondria in the whole body to produce melatonin.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that melatonin gets used as a systemic antioxidant in our body. We traditionally think about melatonin in the brain and the pineal gland through the eyes and the suprachiasmatic nucleus as part of the brain that in conjunction with the paraventricular nucleus and the superior cervical ganglion are connected with our circadian rhythm.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This is why you hear people say, don't look at blue lights, don't have your phone on at night because essentially, partially my body thinks it's the middle of the day here under these blue lights, which is okay for the most part, because it is still the middle of the day, right? It's not nine o'clock at night.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But the concern when we're under these blue lights, which are both flickering, the sun doesn't flicker, and they're enriched in these blue wavelengths more than the outdoor lighting would be, is that it's going to confuse the entrainment of my circadian rhythm between the eyes and the brain, and that's going to affect melatonin production.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this normal cycling of rhythm in the human body is essential, it's connected with so many hormonal processes and DNA repair and important things that are happening in our brain and all of the organs of our body. So our clock mechanism in our body is essential that that is protected if we truly want to be healthy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What you eat is important, but also the light you take in can affect your body's inner working. So it's definitely more multifactorial than just food, as I mentioned earlier in the podcast. When I'm thinking about grounding, I'm also thinking, oh, I get to be outdoors, and I want more infrared light because I want the exposure to that. I want my body to be exposed to that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Infrared can go through clothes, so you don't need to be naked or anything, and I'm not butthole sunning in Costa Rica. You don't have to do any of that. But there's evidence that also getting some ultraviolet light increases testosterone in males. So getting ultraviolet light on your skin is probably essential and is something that humans have always done.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The other interesting thing about full spectrum natural light is that the infrared wavelengths balance out the ultraviolet wavelengths. And so the potentially damaging effects of the ultraviolet wavelengths are in some ways countered by the infrared wavelengths. So if tanning beds are bad for us, it may be because they don't have enough infrared to go with the ultraviolet.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so ultraviolet is good. If you get too much ultraviolet, you can get burned, which is bad. And I think that for a lot of people, our propensity to get burned is higher because we're eating too many seed oils, which are high in this linoleic acid. And we know that linoleic acid accumulates in all the membranes of our body, including our epidermis and dermis in our skin.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
when we have fragile polyunsaturated fatty acids in our skin, I think that probably predisposes us to damage from the sun. And there are studies, there are associational observational studies, but there are studies that associate seed oil consumption with increased rates of melanoma. This is all to say that our diet can affect our skin's ability to receive light in a healthy or unhealthy way.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that if our light environment is not what we've been having historically as humans, that can be challenging for us as well. So This is all to say that taking off your shoes and touching the ground at least once a day for a little bit of time is great. How much time? Who knows? I don't know. How much time do you do it? I do it as much as I can.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This is one of the things I love about surfing and why I hope I can get you in the water in Costa Rica. When you're in the ocean, that is the biggest electron reservoir on the planet Earth. I'm in the ocean for two to two and a half hours. I'm walking on the beach barefoot. I almost don't wear shoes in Costa Rica because I don't have to. I'm touching the ground, not when I'm sleeping, but
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
uh hours a day hours a day hours a day no i couldn't i couldn't offer a study that says you need to touch 20 minutes a day or this okay i think the grounding literature is still in its infancy um and we could look at the protocols that people have used for joint pain or things like this but i think just start with like some amount of time barefoot and it brings out kind of this playful childlike mindset and then you're outdoors getting that full spectrum light in terms of light
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I try to be outdoors as much as I can. And again, it depends. It's worthwhile to me to spend this time indoors with you. And when I'm in Costa Rica, I spend a lot of time outdoors. And on the way here in the car, I had the sunroof open and the window down, even though it was cold outside, because I don't really mind the cold. And I wanted some infrared. Who knows what kind of a dose I'm getting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But I just wanted to be outdoors as much as possible, both for entraining the circadian rhythm because of the brightness of the full spectrum sunlight, and the potential for those infrared wavelengths. But I think about light a lot like I think about food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, it's very American-friendly. In Costa Rica, you can own property. I believe... In Mexico, you have like a 99-year lease, but in Costa Rica, you own the property outright. So I bought a house in Costa Rica, and they may have changed the laws, but I think you only have to spend $150,000 or $200,000 on a property in Costa Rica to qualify for citizenship track. No kidding.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's whole food, which is a term that's overused today, but there's whole food, which we know of, we know what that is, single ingredient foods that haven't really been processed. And there's also processed foods, which have had those food components taken away and mixed up. And there's whole light, which is sunlight, and then there's processed light.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And unfortunately, most of us spend 90 plus percent of our lives indoors.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that's probably not great for us as humans either, whether it's lack of UV or lack of infrared or lack of full-spectrum light or changing our circadian rhythm entrainment in a negative way. So being a human used to be really simple, and we've kind of complicated it in a strange way. And I don't...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Advocate for us returning to wearing loincloths, but I think that in 2025 there is some there's value to be had in returning to some awareness of where we've come from as humans both in terms of our food Environment and our light and systemic environment and lifestyle You had mentioned Raw milk.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Raw milk is interesting to me. So milk comes from cows, predominantly in the US, and the majority of milk that we get is pasteurized, meaning it's heated. I grew up drinking pasteurized milk. Because my dad was a traditional doctor, we had a fear of milk fat and saturated fat growing up. So I grew up mostly drinking skim milk, which is horrible. pasteurized, homogenized skim milk.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If we were really getting crazy, we'd have 2%. But my family had a fat phobia growing up. That was kind of the part of the zeitgeist in the 1980s and 90s when I was growing up. And so I never had raw milk until maybe 10 years ago. So raw milk is milk from a cow that hasn't been pasteurized.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And, you know, any of us that were lucky enough to be breastfed had raw human milk when we were an infant, and that is very beneficial for humans. And it is not sterile. Raw milk is teeming with organisms. It's teeming with bacteria from the mother's skin flora from the breast. So raw milk from a cow is kind of the same. It's full of commensal, normal skin flora from a cow from the udders.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And humans have been domesticating animals for 10 to 20,000 years. We've been using raw milk and making it into cheeses or fermented milk, which is known as kefir in Bulgaria and other countries, and yogurts. And these are often associated with great longevity or health benefits.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But it's only really in the last 120 years that we've been doing things that are pasteurized with regard to dairy because we moved off of farms into cities.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And when we moved into cities, those of us from farms still wanted to drink milk, but people were getting sick drinking raw milk that was produced in a city in the early 1900s because the cows were being milked in sub-sanitary conditions and the cows were sick because they were being fed swill, which is the spent grains of alcohol fermentation.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So the introduction of pasteurization certainly was probably a good thing originally in terms of milk because a lot of milk was contaminated because it wasn't produced properly. It wasn't produced in the cleanest conditions. And when you're milking a cow, for humans, we probably should clean the udders and make sure that if the cow poops, that doesn't go into the milk.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And now there is this resurgent interest in getting back to consistently intentionally produced raw milk. Can humans do that? And so when I look at the literature, it's quite fascinating because there actually have been studies done comparing raw milk to pasteurized milk. And there are multiple studies that show that kids who grow up on or off farms
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
drinking raw milk have lower rates of asthma, eczema, and allergies. That's interesting, right? You might think, oh, it's because they're on the farm, they have the microbial difference from the farm, but even kids who grow up in cities drinking raw milk have lower rates of asthma, eczema, and allergies.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, I'm a temporary resident right now. In a year and a half, I'll become a permanent resident, and then you can become a citizen maybe five years after that. I forget the exact date. progression. You can get a pathway to citizenship in Costa Rica just by buying a moderate property there.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Now, is it that the pasteurized milk is causing the allergies and the eczema, all of those things that I had personally, or the raw milk is protective? It's probably some of both. But I think when I look at the literature around raw milk, and there's a robust literature around raw milk, and raw milk is many immunologic components.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's lactoglobulin, lactoferrin, there's immune factors and peptides. Colostrum is the first milk of animals, and that's been studied a lot now. Colostrum is a huge thing. I mean, the company that I mentioned earlier, Heart and Soil, we have a colostrum capsule powder and the studies on colostrum are massive.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I mean, gut benefits with the gut flora, potential neurologic benefits, recovery benefits. So this is a, it's a medicinal food that mammals produce. And even across species, it seems that milk is beneficial for humans and maybe loses that beneficial ability when you pasteurize it. We know that when you heat milk above 150 degrees, the whey protein changes conformation.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So for a long time, people thought raw milk, maybe it's beneficial because it's a probiotic, but I'm not sure that's the issue. It might have to do with the whey protein and something with our immune system. I don't think we fully understand
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
why raw milk is beneficial, but there's some interesting evidence in the published medical literature about raw milk being a uniquely valuable functional food for humans. Of course, anytime you have a raw food, you have to be careful about the production of the raw food. There was recently, did you see there was an outbreak of, was it salmonella in cucumbers?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So every year, thousands of people are sickened from spinach, from sushi, right? So yes, people do get sick from raw milk when it's from a farm that isn't doing it properly. Raw food carries the risk of contamination. We were eating raw meat earlier. I'm sure that if, you know, that somewhere somebody eating raw meat today is going to get contamination.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So it's just a matter of what's the risk benefit. And I would say raw milk has benefits, We need to study it more and help scale practices to do it safely so that people can access it. I think raw milk, this is just my opinion, but I think raw milk is one of the least discussed potential therapeutics for the human gut. You think about how much human mammalian breast milk affects our gut flora.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What if raw milk could be studied and we could see how the gut flora changes in a human adult when they're drinking raw milk from a cow that's been treated properly and it's clean raw milk and you can test it. So that's interesting to me, that milk is this kind of functional food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so much of what we experience today as health issues is related to the microbiome of our gut specifically and dysbiosis. Is it possible that some of these raw foods, especially the raw milk or colostrum, could help with that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's something we shouldn't ignore, but in the mainstream press, raw milk is now seen as a right-wing conspiracy thing, and you get vilified, and people will say, oh, it's not safe. Well, yes, there are examples of contamination. They're very rare. And there are many other foods that are more likely contaminated than raw milk. So it's like anything.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's pretty good. I have some good friends. One of the things you often do in Costa Rica is you get a caretaker, like a a gardener who looks at your house most days because people will squat in your house if you're not there. So I have a caretaker who takes care of the foliage at my house and cleans and like helps me with errands when I'm not there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If you want to eat raw meat or raw liver or raw milk, which are all things that I do, the raw meat and the raw liver more occasionally than raw milk, you just have to be aware of the quality of it. And it's something that humans have done for a long time.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I do. It's multifactorial. I surf every day. The food is different. The environment is different. I'm getting infrared from the environment. It's hard. When we're talking about EMF, we're talking about cell phones, Wi-Fi routers generally, and microwaves. They're all kind of the same span of frequencies.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
A lot of people don't know that their microwave is basically similar to a cell phone in terms of the frequency of radio frequency EMF that it's putting out. The electromagnetic spectrum is fascinating. Visible light is on the electromagnetic spectrum, but Radiofrequency EMF is also on the electromagnetic spectrum. The waves are just much larger in wavelength.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And these are all light, and they all have this wave-particle duality to them, and they all... come in as photons. And so the human eye can't see radio frequency EMF, but we can see EMF in the visible light spectrum. It's all kind of the same thing. Light is incredible. And I should say, electromagnetic waves slash particles are, they're all around us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And there are all sorts of sizes to these waves, which are wave-particle duality. This is physics. But Historically, humans were never exposed to much in the RF band, which is a certain set of frequencies. It's only with the advent of radio and Wi-Fi and cell phones that we've now become bathed in this.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Questions remain, and I think that like so many things, whether it's a COVID vaccine or RF EMF, we should be able to ask questions about whether these things are benign or harmful for humans. And yet, you know, hopefully it's changing, but so many times, if you even ask about EMF, people think you have a tinfoil hat. I proudly will wear my tinfoil hat and ask questions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
The reason people don't think RF, EMF from your cell phone or your Wi-Fi router is harmful, and look, I appreciate Elon, he's brilliant, he's done so much for us, but he's been on Rogan saying it's completely safe and you can make a helmet of cell phones and it would be fine. And I think that's a little ludicrous and premature to say that, is that RF, EMF is not ionizing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So X-rays are on the same electromagnetic field, electromagnetic wave continuum. Ultraviolet light is on the same. And at some wavelengths, you have enough power to ionize DNA and to create DNA damage. So RFEMF isn't powerful enough to be ionizing. People say, it's not ionizing. But just because it's not ionizing doesn't mean it can't affect the function of biological systems.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And he's Nicaraguan and we speak exclusively in Spanish. So it's good to practice. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are many studies, hundreds of studies, with radio frequency EMF suggesting that they do affect biological systems at the level of... calcium channels, at the level of ion channels in the human body. Things which are delicate. The thing about these waves is they can pass through clothing, right? They pass through walls. And this is not science fiction.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You can have a Wi-Fi router in one room and that wave is coming to you, right? So it's passing through your whole body. The signal from your cell phone can reach you through a wall. And the signal... is depleted in a square function. So if you have your cell phone far away from you, three or five feet, the signal is significantly less.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And so the further you have it away, the radius from you, it's going to be r-squared that the signal is going down. So it's a factor of r-squared. So if you move away from these, the signal is going down very quickly. It's the proximity that's a problem. But how many of us walk around all day with our cell phone in our pocket or in our front pocket as men or women or in a sports bra, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Or we have AirPods on our head with a signal going through our brain two, three, six hours a day. A lot of people I know now work with AirPods and they could have these in for eight hours a day. The jury's still out on this, but the questions remain around, is this safe for humans, or is it negatively affecting our biology?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that's the question that I think is worth asking, and that was the experiment that I kind of wanted to do when I was in Costa Rica. What if I just create an environment in my house that's zero EMF, zero RF EMF? And so there are meters that sample the radio frequency range of EMF, and you can look at my house, and it's .05 microwatts per meter squared in my house, .05.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When I'm mostly, like if I'm in Los Angeles just walking around the hotel, it's usually 1,000 or 2,000 microwatts per meter squared. If you hold this device up to your cell phone, it could be anywhere from 30,000 to 3 million microwatts per meter squared.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we're talking about orders of magnitude, and we just don't really fully understand if these are benign for humans. When you run a microwave and you hold the device a few feet from the microwave, you're getting...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
two to three million microwatts per meter squared so you know your mom might have said this to you when you were growing up don't look at the microwave don't stand there because that microwave radiation is pouring out of the microwave and we don't really know what it does to humans well by wearing air pods you are essentially walking around with a small low-powered microwave on your head all day long interesting and i just i just think it's interesting that we are so easily you know
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Like so many places, there are touristy spots in Costa Rica and there are less touristy spots in Costa Rica. And you asked me earlier, is the place where you are overrun? It's not.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We're just dismissing it. I mean, I've, you know, I went to a gym when I was in Washington, D.C., a Lifetime Fitness, and every single person in the gym is wearing AirPods. And again, this is not hyperbole. I like connecting with people, and every single person is in their AirPod world or their sort of, you know, Bluetooth headphone world. So that's, we need to ask questions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And potentially, the people that it is most relevant to are children. Because children are developing and they're growing, and how does a child's brain react? Should a child be sitting around for hours a day with an iPad on their lap that is putting out thousands, tens of thousands of microwatts per meter squared onto their developing sex glands and hormones and thyroid and brain?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that's not to mention the screen that they're looking at, which is full of blue light and flickering and doing all these things that are potentially affecting their neurotransmitters or their attention span, disrupting their circadian rhythm. So we have devices are everywhere. They're a part of our lives. I'm not saying we should get rid of them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm just saying we should ask some reasonable questions and really take an honest look at the literature.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
This is what's interesting, and I hope this changes now with Meta's policies, but I do content about this and it gets fact-checked on Instagram. I do content about raw milk, it gets fact-checked. I do content about seed oils, it gets fact-checked. When I do this content, I'm not... doing it from the hip, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm citing articles, but in the past, and again, hopefully Zuckerberg is changing this, in the past, they could just say, no, we're using this fact-checker's article. Your stuff is false. So who knows? But yeah, the EMF stuff is real. I don't know how much it affects humans. My subjective experience is I feel better when I'm in a lower EMF environment.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There's a lot of variables there and it's impossible to do a single variable experiment. Humans have never been exposed to this much EMF and I don't think we know how it's affecting us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I'm pretty remote. I mean, I have running water, I have electricity, right? I have two internet service providers because often one of them will go out, right? So one of them is fiber optic and the road to my house was only paved in the last two years. A lot of the roads are dirt. The last 300 meters to my house is dirt, but the road up to the dirt road was paved in the last couple of years.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
You don't want to do that with a paint because then it starts reflecting, right? Interesting. So imagine like putting a mirror.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
As long as you have curtains... that also block it because it'll come through the window.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Right? And then you think, is it ricocheting? Is it bouncing around? So I don't think painting the walls is a good idea. The easier thing would be to just turn off the Wi-Fi router at night and not have your cell phone next to your bed and turn your cell phone on at airplane mode and put it away. You can, I mean...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
In most places, unless you live in New York City in a high-rise apartment or a condo with a bunch of other apartments around you, you can get down to pretty low levels of RF EMF just by doing those things. I'm talking 50 to 100 microwatts per meter squared. that's pretty easy to get to if you just turn off the devices at night.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that's a much lower exposure than 1,000 or 2,000 or 10,000 that many of us are being exposed to constantly in these urban environments. If you live in New York City, I mean, amazing city, and you're in a high-rise building and you look at how many Wi-Fi networks there are, you might see 50. And in that case, you're probably going to have to build a curtain around your bed to block the RF EMF.
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#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's an option, too, and you can put something on the floor. But again, it's difficult. I wouldn't paint your walls just because that's a little trickier condition. But you can construct a Faraday cage. On Amazon, for $20, you can buy a Faraday bag. I mean, you're probably familiar with Faraday bags from your work. You know, you can buy a Faraday bag to go around your Wi-Fi router.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So when I'm traveling at Airbnbs, I'll just bring a Faraday bag and I'm not turning off the Wi-Fi in my Airbnb so I can work in the day or my team has to work. But at night, nobody's working, we'll just turn off the Wi-Fi. And during the day, I'll just put a Faraday bag around the router and it decreases the signal, but you can still use it. So there's ways to mitigate it. And I just, I think...
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What's the better part of valor here? I'm just going to be cautionary here and see because I'm just not complacent about that kind of thing. It's all interesting, and it all contributes to human health.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So in 1900— there were no seed oils, essentially. Maybe the first seed oil was like 1860, but there were no seed oils in the American food chain until 1911, when Procter & Gamble made Crisco, which was partially hydrogenated cotton seed oil. So in 1900, there were no seed oils.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this is just an association, but I think it's an important thing to note for the whole conversation, because inevitably, when we talk about seed oils, we will talk about saturated fat. So rates of heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, obesity, every chronic illness were a fraction of what they are today in 1900. And we were eating 98, 99% of our fat as beef tallow, butter, ghee, and lard.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I am the most creative and the most able to do good work in the world when I have something in my life that I can do every day or almost every day that just brings me pure joy. It's just play. There's nothing productive about it. It's frivolous. It's just I want to be playing in nature. And that joy that I get from playing in nature in Costa Rica and surfing, it fuels everything else I do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There were no seed oils. And olive oil wasn't a big portion of our diet in 1900. There was no such thing as avocado oil. So most of our fat was animal fat in 1900. And the association there is striking to say, okay, we've had periods in recorded history not too long ago when we had almost all of our cooking fat was animal fat. And heart disease wasn't through the roof.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So any hypothesis, any assertion that saturated fat causes heart disease needs to be questioned on historical basis from the get-go. Seed oils came in in 1911. Procter & Gamble made Crisco. They had slow adoption into our food supply, I would say, over the next 40 years.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
In 1940s, with World War II, canola oil was produced for the first time, and it was used on ships because the seed oils stay slippery when they're wet. They're used as engine lubricants. Previously, they'd been engine lubricants or lamp oils. So 1940s, canola oil gets produced. Canola is an acronym that stands for Canadian oil low acid. There's no such thing as a canola plant.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And when you're driving up the road, it's gorgeous. So the road up to the dirt road is gorgeous paved road. And on the side are these big trees, big old trees. So in the rainy season, you'll get some wind and rain. And it's very common that a branch will come down and take out power and the fiber optic internet.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's a rapeseed plant. So that's just a canola oil sidebar. And I'll come back to canola oil. And then since 1940s, we've had the introduction of various oils into our food supply. Soybean oil, corn oil, canola, safflower, sunflower, peanut. These are all seed oils. Anything that comes from a seed is a seed oil in terms of an oil that comes from a seed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's important to understand that olive and avocado are fruit oils. And I'll talk about those later. But those are not seeds. We don't make avocado oil from an avocado seed. We make it from the actual avocado pulp from the fruit. And olives are made from the fruit of the olive, not the seed of the olive. So there's a big difference.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When you make an olive or an avocado oil, you just press, you press the fruit, right? If you've seen an olive press, you know, they make, they either do it by centrifuge where they spin it and the oil goes out, or they have a big press and they kind of press the oil out and the oil comes out. How do you get oil out of a cotton seed or a soybean? They're not very oily.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
How do you get oil out of a sunflower seed or a kernel of corn? You have to go through this complex industrial process to refine the oil out of those things. This is an interesting thing to consider. Today, in 2025, the average American eats the equivalent of around five tablespoons of seed oils per day. 1900, we had zero.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
To get five tablespoons of seed oil from corn, you'd have to eat 70 ears of corn. So you have to use massive amounts, two and a half plus pounds of soybeans to make five tablespoons of soybean oil. Similar figure with sunflower seeds, right? So these are historically inappropriate amounts of consumption of these substances. We never would have been exposed to this historically.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Hunter-gatherers, they eat seeds and nuts sometimes, but mostly when they're starving. I didn't see the Hadza eat a single seed or nut when I was there. So to get oil out of these things, which we've done because of an industrial process that makes oils that are cheap, very profitable, and have very shelf-stable, you have refining, bleaching, deodorizing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So you have to heat the oil to over 450 degrees Fahrenheit, which essentially damages the oil, oxidizes the oil, makes it rancid. You have to extract it with hexane, which is contaminated with benzene. You have to do sodium hydroxide washing. You have to deodorize and bleach because if they didn't do this industrial process, it wouldn't even be palatable for humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And in that case, I have a backup so I can still do work or connect with the outside world because no cell service.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So what you end up with on the back end is this, historically inappropriate concoction of something that is now marketed to humans as a healthy oil. Well, how can that possibly be? It's clearly an industrial hyper-processed food. Well, the whole reason that seed oils are told to us as healthy is because of the cholesterol idea.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we kind of have to talk about cholesterol any time we talk about seed oils. So 1900, no real heart attacks in the population. Most doctors had never even seen a heart attack. Heart attacks became a thing in the zeitgeist in the United States in the 1950s when Eisenhower had his first heart attack. And I think it was 1955 that he had his first heart attack.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that was around the time of a guy named Ancel Keys, who was very sort of opinionated. And he did this study called the Seven Countries Study, which he published later, that associated saturated fat consumption with higher levels of cholesterol and heart disease. But in retrospect, we know that he cherry picked the data. He excluded countries where that association doesn't actually hold true.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
He included countries where it did hold true, but then he excluded places like France, Germany, and Switzerland where they eat a lot of saturated fat, but they don't have higher rates of heart disease.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But nevertheless, this faulty study based on cherry picking because of Ancel Keys' sort of persuasiveness and this obsession with heart disease in the 1950s because Eisenhower had multiple heart attacks, And Eisenhower's cardiologist, Paul Dudley White, was influenced by Ancel Keys.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We suddenly began to believe, as an American people, that saturated fat, which raises cholesterol in many individuals, and we can talk about that, is a cause of heart disease. And then... We'll table the discussion about cholesterol as a cause of heart disease for the moment, but we'll get back to that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So for years and years now, USDA policy around dietary guidelines has been based on the paradigm that saturated fat causes heart disease. And so if saturated fat causes heart disease, it must be bad. We must eat less butter. We should be eating margarine instead of butter, right? Tallow has gone out of our population. Most people don't even know what tallow is. You never see lard.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What's healthier is Mazzola corn oil. And there are ads from the 1960s and 70s from Miss Ola Korno saying like, Susie polyunsaturated her family tonight. They're just, they're so funny to see.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Like we were, the companies were proud of the fact that they were using these polyunsaturated oils because for so long we have been told that polyunsaturated fats are heart healthy and saturated fats are heart unhealthy. and we've got it all reversed. It's all backwards. It's all backwards.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So the reason it's backwards is because polyunsaturated fats are fragile, and they become incorporated into all the membranes of our cells. And there are multiple studies showing that when we have more polyunsaturated fats in our diet, specifically seed oils, this LDL, which is often termed bad cholesterol, is more likely to oxidize, more likely to become damaged in our bloodstream.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that leads to heart disease in so many steps. Again, we also have to talk about the cholesterol piece and the heart disease piece with all this. So it's a little involved and it's tricky. The idea is that polyunsaturated fats lower cholesterol a little bit, saturated fats raise cholesterol a little bit.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we've been told the polyunsaturated fats are healthy, and yet humans are eating less saturated fat, more polyunsaturated fats, and rates of heart disease are still skyrocketing, right? So it didn't do anything, it didn't fix The epidemic of heart disease, clearly we've missed the boat here.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And I would say we went in the completely wrong direction, especially since the 1980s, the consumption of soybean oil is the major seed oil consumed by humans, has gone through the roof. And I mentioned this earlier in the podcast, you can look at human fatty tissue, adipose tissue, and you can see that over the last 60 to 80 years, we are really polyunsaturating ourselves.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
When we eat polyunsaturated fat, we hold onto it. Our bodies don't make polyunsaturated fat. Do you remember earlier when I talked about pigs and chickens as monogastric animals? These animals don't make polyunsaturated fats either. Ruminants can make polyunsaturated fats. So they don't hold on to polyunsaturated fats. They can get rid of them and they can make them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We cannot make polyunsaturated fats. So we need a little bit. And historically as humans, we had a small amount of polyunsaturated fat in our diet, both as omega-3 and as omega-6. And omega-6 is the linoleic acid. Omega-3 is the kind of stuff you get from fish, generally speaking. Omega-6 and omega-3 have different pathways in the human body in terms of the downstream metabolites.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We'll talk about that also. But historically, we never had much omega-6. 1% of our calories. Today, 10% to 15% of our calories is omega-6. Some people have 20% of their calories as omega-6 fatty acids. So we have a historical... inconsistency here in what we're doing as humans. And that should raise the alarm. That should ask us, that should challenge us to ask questions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But because of the cholesterol piece, because this lipid hypothesis has been at the center of medicine for so long, since the 1950s with Eisenhower, and we've been told that cholesterol causes heart disease, we have really, I think, been, we've been misled. And so the whole thing is kind of this house of cards, in my opinion. When you understand that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And this pisses people like Peter Attia off. And I would love to debate him on this, you know, because he really believes cholesterol does cause heart disease. All respect to Peter Attia, the whole house of cards falls. And so now let's just pause the seed oil conversation and I'll come back to that and I'll talk about cholesterol. You got any questions so far?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Okay. So cholesterol is a building block for steroid hormones in your body. Testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, aldosterone. These are all... built out of a cholesterol backbone. Cholesterol and triglycerides, which are fatty acids, are packaged into buses in your body that move these things around. One of those buses comes from the liver. It's called LDL, low density lipoprotein.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
LDL contains a protein called ApoB100. ApoB containing lipoproteins are felt by Western medicine to be causal in atherosclerosis. Atherosclerosis is the process of plaque formation in your arteries of your heart, right? And I have a couple, I have a lot of problems with this theory. I think that they're close. I think Western medicine is close, but we're missing the mark.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And we're not seeing it because 90 plus percent of people are insulin resistant. And that'll make sense in a moment. So LDL is this lipoprotein particle. It has an ApoB 100 marker on it that says it's LDL. Other ApoB containing lipoproteins are things like VLDL, IDL, LP little a, chylomicron remnants, that's not terribly important for this conversation.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Just know that LDL is thought of as the bad cholesterol. And in most humans, when you eat saturated fat, LDL goes up. But if you look at the saturated fat literature, there was a study published in 2020 in the Journal of American College of Cardiology saying, hey, we looked at tons of studies, it's meta analysis. There's actually no real relationship between saturated fat and heart disease.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So that's the first problem here, is that saturated fat, which raises LDL, is not associated with heart disease. And some saturated fats, like 15 carbon and 17 carbon saturated fats, which occur in dairy, pentadecanoic acid and heptadecanoic acid are actually felt to be protective against cardiovascular disease. So there's lots of inconsistencies in the theory.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But you have LDL going up and mainstream medicine says LDL is causal, therefore the more LDL you have in your body, the more likely you are to get heart disease. but except when it doesn't, right? So if LDL is causal in heart disease, then why don't we get atherosclerosis in our veins and we only get it in our arteries? So veins are the vessels that your body uses to return blood to your heart.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
arteries are moving away from your heart to your body. So I have a heart here. It pumps blood through my aorta. My aorta branches into all sorts of arteries. They go down my abdomen into my legs. So I have arteries moving blood from my lungs, which is oxygenated to my body, to my toes. And then in my toes, I have capillaries and then it turns into a vein. It comes back. So in arteries,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
humans get atherosclerosis, but we do not get atherosclerosis in native veins. But there's the same amount of LDL circulating in all of these vessels. It's a continuous system. So why is that? Because arteries are higher pressure. And I would argue that you must have injury to the endothelial wall. That is often the beginning of atherosclerosis.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That is one of the proximate events of atherosclerosis. If LDL was causal, And the verbiage here is really, really important. If LDL is actually causing atherosclerosis, it should cause atherosclerosis in my veins. The assumption there is that LDL is somehow damaging to the endothelium, but we know that LDL that's not modified, not oxidized, doesn't damage the endothelium. It doesn't happen.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Atherosclerosis is a process by which LDL particles move into the sort of arterial wall. So in an artery, if you have like a tube and you cut the tube this way, or if you cut it lengthwise, and you look at the artery wall, you see there's an endothelium on the inside of the artery, and the LDL moves through the endothelium to this subendothelial space.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And in that subendothelial space, it's almost like Velcro. There's a matrix of proteins called proteoglycans, and the LDL can get stuck to those proteoglycans. And when LDL gets stuck to those proteoglycans, it gets oxidized. When an LDL is oxidized or modified, stuck in an arterial wall, an immune cell called a macrophage comes along and takes it up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that's the beginning of an atherosclerotic plaque. When those macrophages are full of LDL, they form a foam, a fatty streak, or their foam cell, which is a precursor to a fatty streak, which becomes a plaque, an arterial plaque. That's atherosclerosis.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
What should happen, what happens in normal physiology in a healthy artery that doesn't have damage in someone that's not insulin resistant is the LDL moves in and it moves out of the arterial wall. It can get stuck, but then it gets stuck for a short amount of time and it moves out. I think that what's happening here is that LDL isn't the culprit.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
LDL is part of the causal cascade, but it didn't cause the fire. LDL is a fireman, right? Essentially showing up to the fire, but they didn't cause the fire. LDL is part of the cascade. We know you need LDL to make atherosclerosis. But I think that LDL actually causes atherosclerosis is very shaky. What does cause, what does initiate it? It's this insulin resistance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Remember I was talking earlier about this metabolic dysfunction, this insulin resistance and how that underlies so many of our diseases. That I think is the problem. When you are insulin resistant, which remember is when your mitochondria don't work real well, you don't make energy well, you don't move things down that electron transport chain. When you're
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
insulin resistant, your immune cells don't work well, and you have a more enriched proteoglycan layer in your endothelium, in the subendothelial space. So your arteries are stickier when you're insulin resistant, and the immune cells moving in your artery walls don't work in the same way. You don't repair the endothelium, you don't repair your vessels as well.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So there's more injuries to your endothelium, and the LDL particles are more likely to get stuck. When you eat more seed oils, which are these polyunsaturated fats, the LDL that gets stuck in the proteoglycan layer are more likely to oxidize. We know that for a fact.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So you have LDL that's more fragile, full of polyunsaturated fats, getting stuck to a proteoglycan matrix because you're insulin resistant. You're getting injury to the endothelial wall that we all get when we are... living our lives that doesn't get repaired because the insulin resistance impairs your immune function that repairs those endothelial walls. But LDL didn't cause any of that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's just getting caught up in the process. So this is the major problem with the theory for me is that there are plenty of examples of people with high LDL that don't get atherosclerosis or that don't get atherosclerosis at the rate that they should. And there are examples of people with low LDL who are insulin resistant who get lots of atherosclerosis.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So there are so many inconsistencies in the theory that I think what's going on here is we have conflated LDL as causal when it's actually just part of the causal cascade. So I'll just resume way out for people. I think about this like wood and fire. If you're going to build a campfire, you must have wood, right? You have to have wood, but wood didn't cause the fire. Right? Gotcha.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But wood also has other valuable things. If you get rid of the wood, you won't have any fire. You can lower someone's LDL and they will have less atherosclerosis, but that doesn't mean the LDL caused the atherosclerosis. If you lower wood, if you take away wood, if you have a forest that's been decimated by a forest fire, it's going to be hard to find wood to make a fire.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But that doesn't mean wood caused the fire. It was the lightning that caused the fire, right? You need the spark to cause the fire. So what's the spark? It's the insulin resistance.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's the mitochondrial dysfunction leading to extra damage to the endothelial wall, leading to immune cell impairment, leading to LDL that's more likely to oxidize, leading to more proteoglycans in the matrix in the subendothelial space. The other thing, and where the metaphor extends, is that wood is also valuable. If you're living in the woods, you can build a house from wood.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
In the human body, LDL is valuable. LDL serves an immune role. We've often been told LDL cholesterol is just there to kill us, which makes no sense evolutionarily. Sometimes you hear this explanation that like, we don't need LDL anymore because now we have antibiotics. But I think that's a little bit, that doesn't really jive with me. Historically,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
All throughout our time as humans, LDL is an immune particle. It interrupts infections in our body, whether viral or bacterial. Bacteria and viruses communicate with each other using something called quorum sensing, and LDL particles and other lipoproteins can interrupt that. So LDL has value in the human body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And it's probably not surprising then that if we look at some of the longest-lived people, they often have elevated levels of LDL. because they're not insulin resistant. So my assertion, and this is very controversial and I'm happy to defend at any time in the right forum, is that if you are insulin sensitive, if you are metabolically healthy, LDL is good for you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's an immune particle, it's valuable. It's when you become insulin resistant that it becomes a liability because it's part of the causal cascade. What is a problem if you live in a place with a lot of lightning storms and you have a bunch of dry wood around? If you don't have lightning storms, wood is great, right? You want to build things. I can build a canoe. I can build a fishing rod.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I can build a house. You don't want to get rid of all your wood. And we know that when you lower LDL, there are potential problems in humans. Now, The data around lowering LDL becomes muddy because drugs that lower LDL can have side effects.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But for instance, statin drugs, which lower LDL by interrupting their synthesis in this cascade of cholesterol synthesis, they're HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors. They inhibit an enzyme in this cholesterol synthesis pathway. They're associated with slightly increased rates of diabetes, dementia, myalgias, lower libido.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
lowering LDL, lowering cholesterol production is not always, it's not without problems. And to think that historically or by design or evolutionarily, that LDL is just there to kill us, that doesn't make any sense. And that eating a food that is at the center of the human diet for all of human history, like red meat that has saturated fat,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I have a gift for you, too. So I bought you some meat sticks from Lineage. This is one of the companies that I founded, and they're all grass-fed, grass-finished with organs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
would raise LDL and that's increasing your risk of cardiovascular disease, that doesn't make sense to me either. So we end up with this whole kind of just real confusing story, right? Where we've been told, we knew 120 years ago that animal fats were great, right? People that eat animal fats, they're vibrant, their skin looks good, they're fertile, they have libido.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Then seed oils come on the scene. They're cheaper, they're shelf-stable, and they lower cholesterol. And now we're being told to fear cholesterol. And there's some sinister things in there I can also tell you about the American Heart Association. But we're being told to fear cholesterol when cholesterol is not the problem.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And there are actually some interesting studies that have been published very recently showing that people who have higher cholesterol, in some cases very high cholesterol, and that are insulin sensitive don't have increased rates of cardiovascular disease at all. They have actually lower than a regular cohort. So this study is so important, I'll just highlight it for you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's from Dave Feldman and Matt Budoff. It's called the Keto Study, I believe. They published the first part of the study, I think in 2024, and they took people on a ketogenic diet. Now, sometimes people on a ketogenic diet, because you're doing fat-based metabolism, see LDL go up. But generally people doing a ketogenic diet, which is low carb, are not eating seed oils.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They're not eating processed food. They're pretty insulin sensitive as a group. So they looked at a group of 80 people in this cohort who have average cholesterol, average LDL cholesterol. I think the average LDL was 273 milligrams per deciliter. So very high LDL and corresponding LDL-C. And they looked at them and they did CT coronary angiography. Matt Budoff is one of the coauthors.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
He's a CT coronary angiographer. He's preeminent in his field, a very well-respected radiologist. And what they found when they compared that to a cohort from Miami who had an average LDL cholesterol of 123 was that the two groups had the same amount of plaque in their arteries.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
one group has more than double the amount of cholesterol the other group has you know but they have the same amount of plaque and the group on the keto group actually was trending toward less fat, less fat in the arteries, less atherosclerosis. And so people might say, but they still had atherosclerosis. Well, yeah, you don't know what they did before, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So what's being said here is that these people had been on a ketogenic diet for an average of three years. They'd probably had elevated cholesterol, LDL cholesterol for three to five years, which most people cardiologists most in the lipid space would agree is enough time to see accelerated atherosclerosis when you have more of that cholesterol in your body.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And if LDL cholesterol is causing atherosclerosis, you should see more atheromas. You should see more atherosclerosis in that population, but you don't. Again, we don't know what they did before. It's not that people on ketogenic diets in the study had zero. but we don't have any idea what they were doing before. They could have had it previously. They had less.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
They had less than the Miami Heart Group, which has a much lower LDL. That raises some pretty major questions. And when you look at the analysis, there was no correlation between serum cholesterol, LDL-C, not LDL, Yeah, the LDL-C. There was no correlation between LDL-C and the plaque burden in those people. Zero. Oh, shit. So if LDL is causal, how is that possible?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So Lineage is in its 11th month. So we've been in business. Lineage has been around almost a year. And then the other company is Heart and Soil, and that makes desiccated organ supplements. I'm going to send you some of both. We can talk about organs and stuff. But the cool thing about this is I never thought I'd be an entrepreneur.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So we just see the whole thing starts to get really complicated and confusing, but I'll just... The framework, the context is important. It's all about insulin resistance, in my opinion. My strong belief, I should say. It's all about metabolic health. If you're metabolically healthy, you... LDL is not a problem. And you really have to be metabolically healthy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And whether you're keto, which I'm not a huge fan of long-term for most people, or you're not keto, being metabolically healthy is what we should be focusing on. We are hyper-focused in Western medicine on LDL cholesterol because the statin industry is a multi-billion, potentially more than that, industry.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So if LDL doesn't cause atherosclerosis, there's still a place for statins in the drug supply, but maybe we wouldn't be giving them out as much as we are now. And the whole paradigm starts to shift. We need to fix insulin resistance. And that is something that again, 86 to 93% of Americans have some degree of. That's the problem. But we think we're doing a good job as doctors.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Remember, I did four years of cardiology as a PA. I gave a lot of statin prescriptions and I was proud of it at the time because I didn't know any better. So I've been in this world. We're treating the wrong thing and we're worried about the wrong things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And the reason this is important to me is because people invariably get healthier when they eat more red meat, when they eat more animal fats, and when they decrease seed oils and their LDL goes up.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I think it's a centralized narrative from the 1950s, from Ancel Keys, this lipid hypothesis that is then fueled by potentially company data that are trying to muddy the waters and confuse people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, I think so. I mean, this is very contentious in Western medicine, and there are many very intelligent, well-intentioned doctors that disagree with me and still strongly believe that LDL is causal in atherosclerosis. But when I look at the data, there are too many inconsistencies. There are studies like Dave Feldman's and Matt Budoff's.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are so many examples of people with elevated LDL who do not develop atherosclerosis. And I think that it may come down to syntax and linguistics. I would agree, LDL is involved in the causal cascade. If you are insulin resistant and we lower your LDL, your risk of heart disease is unequivocally lower.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
I went to medical school, but it's been empowering and exciting to think about making things that people can use to lead better lives and making them in a unique way. That's all I want to do with these companies is make products that don't exist in the market that allow people to lead better lives in a easier way. So it's just the highest quality stuff that I could get people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
However, we didn't treat the real cause, which was your insulin resistance and your metabolic dysfunction. And I hope that we were honest with you about the side effects of the statins or whatever we use to lower your LDL and major questions come up, not necessarily with statins, but overall with LDL lowering about all cause mortality.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Just because you're decreasing someone's risk of cardiovascular disease death doesn't mean they're living longer or living better. Because sometimes you just shift it, right? We know that you can just shift the pathology from cardiovascular disease to dementia or to cancer or to some of these other issues. And so that's not the goal. That's not treating a human. That's not a healthy human.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We want humans to live long and live well, like the Hadza. We want squaring of the morbidity curve. We want humans to be vital into old age. I'm not excited about giving someone an increased rate of diabetes or dementia, myopathy, lower libido, decreased sex hormones by lowering their cholesterol with a statin. That doesn't solve the problem to me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
We have to understand what is causing the insulin resistance. And so I'll just talk about that because it kind of wraps back to seed oils. And I'm sorry this has been so technical and such a long story, but it's a big Gordian knot, all of this. So I mentioned this earlier, metabolic dysfunction, insulin resistance, this primarily happens at the level of the mitochondria.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If you cannot take substrate from food, which is glucose or fatty acids, and process them into NIDH and FADH2, and move those electrons through the electron transport chain to make ATP, you are going to become insulin resistant. So how does that get broken? It gets broken in two major ways. The first of these is seed oils, and the second of those is sugar. And I'll talk about sugar in a minute.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Next. Seed oils, I think, are a problem at the level of the mitochondria because that linoleic acid is the most common, most abundant polyunsaturated fat that we consume today as westernized Americans. And that linoleic acid accumulates in the membranes of the mitochondria.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And there's evidence from animal models and cell culture that when you have excess linoleic acid from seed oils in the mitochondrial membrane, you get proton leak. And the whole point of the electron transfer chain is to create a gradient that the protons can flow down to make ATP. If you are leaking protons across down the gradient, you are making less ATP.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
At the cellular membrane, we also know that excess linoleic acid, excess polyunsaturated fats creates leak and problems or overactivation of the sodium potassium ATPase. That's all very technical, but suffice it to say that my concern is that when you stuff yourself full of seed oils, you are creating an ATP leak in your body. You are not producing energy as well.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And that leads to metabolic dysfunction. And that is actually the root molecular cause. What's the solution? Stop eating so much linoleic acid. Return to a historically accurate, a historically consistent amount of fat. We're doing these... historically inappropriate things, right? We're doing historically inappropriate lights, we're doing historically inappropriate types of fat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Humans are meant to be eating a mix of saturated fat and monounsaturated fat with a little bit of polyunsaturated fats. We have far too much polyunsaturated fat today, and I think that's driving, at a molecular level, the mitochondrial dysfunction that is underlying insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction. So the solution is simple. Return to what you've always been doing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Remember that seed oils also increase the propensity of LDL to oxidize when it gets in that arterial wall. So in so many ways,
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
And it's all animal-based type nutrients, which we'll talk about a ton in the podcast.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
historically horrible industrial processed oil full of hexane, benzene derivatives, oxidized oils, antimony from the plastic it's being stored in that humans have never been exposed to, which is being sold to you as safe and healthy by Harvard and Mayo because it lowers your cholesterol based on a faulty paradigm of atherosclerosis is a major, major driver of illness in humans today.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
So that's the seed oil story. I'm sorry that was so long. Wow.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Yeah, so the second thing is sugar. Sugar drives metabolic dysfunction also, but not in the way that we think it does. So this is another interesting story. Sucrose is a disaccharide of glucose and fructose. Glucose and fructose are monosaccharides. Sucrose is a disaccharide. Starches are polymers of glucose. When you have a fruit, an apple, I gave you guys strawberries downstairs, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That has glucose and fructose in it. It has sucrose and it has both of those sugars. If I give you a strawberry, that doesn't cause insulin resistance in humans. That's pretty clear, both at an associational or an interventional level.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If I give you pure sugar, which is pure sucrose that's been refined out of that strawberry or from sugar cane or from beets, or I give you high fructose corn syrup, which is another industrial byproduct from corn, or they take corn, which only has glucose and they isomerize it and they combine it to make a high fructose corn syrup, which is essentially like a fake sugar.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
If I give you either of those things, it does induce insulin resistance in humans. It's not because it raises your blood sugar. It's because it affects your gut microbiome negatively. So historically, humans would never have consumed sugar without all of the other compounds in that strawberry. So that strawberry is a complex food. It's not just sugar. It's red. It tastes, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
There are thousands of components in that strawberry, hundreds of different chemicals in that strawberry that your body is used to getting with that sugar. And whether it's strawberry or banana or orange or honey, any of these sugar-containing foods that humans have historically consumed These compounds prevent the overgrowth of bacteria in our gut.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
But if you give a human pure sugar, you get dysbiosis. That is a strict, fast pathway to dysbiosis. If you want to mess up the gut flora, give a human sugar. It doesn't matter if it's high fructose corn syrup or pure sucrose. It doesn't look like it's good for humans. But if you give a human a banana, it's fine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
Or even like orange juice, it doesn't even have to have fiber because orange juice has these same chemicals. There are naturally occurring chemicals in fruit, in honey, that mitigate the negative effects of sugar in our body. So sugar causes insulin resistance, but not because of why we think it does. We think sugar causes insulin resistance because it raises your blood sugar.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
That's not why it happens. There are plenty of cultures all over the world that have 95% of their calories as carbohydrates. They don't get diabetes. So insulin-induced insulin resistance is not the pathology of carbohydrate. That's not why carbohydrates are bad. Carbohydrates are not bad as a class.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's processing of carbohydrates that strips chemicals that naturally occur with these that our body has always expected that actually prevent overgrowth of bacteria in the gut. And there's plenty of studies that show that if you give a human or you give a mouse pure glucose, pure fructose, or pure sugar, you will get something called endotoxemia, metabolic endotoxemia. Endotoxin is a word.
Shawn Ryan Show
#179 Paul Saladino - The FDA Approved Poison You Eat Every Day
It's a synonym for lipopolysaccharide. Lipopolysaccharide is a component of a bacterial cell wall, a gram-negative bacterial cell wall. So when you feed a human pure sugar, the wrong type of bacteria overgrow. This is dysbiosis. You mess up the gut flora.