Paul Bissonnette
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Enjoy your round-robin win, boys, because Thursday night, we're going to put on a spanking to you Americans. You guys have been gloating. You've been calling us your 51st state, okay? You're imposing tariffs on our country, and now you're trying to take our national sport? It ain't happening. Thursday night, you're going to see McJesus, McCarr, McKinnon...
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And Crosby put on a goddamn show in front of the Boston crowd. First of all. You hear me? You hear me, PFT?
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Yeah.
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I would say that the fights were overall a draw. Let's not get carried away here. You guys were the antagonizers. Hey, listen. Let's get serious.
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Yeah. You want one? Those stories coming here, boys. Those stories in here. All right? Well, let's get serious for a second. USA Hockey is coming, and it's here to stay. With the amount of development that's going on, with the way the NCAA game has evolved, the NDP game,
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I think it's called the National Development Program that they have out of Ann Arbor, which they have like under 16, under 17, under 18 programs. Of course, World Juniors. Some of those guys are already playing college who end up playing World Juniors, but you guys have won back-to-back under 20s, which is the World Junior Tournament, gold both years.
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So there has been a resurgence of hockey in America. A lot of Canadian players, and this is not to take credit, This is not take credit. A lot of Canadians who have played in American markets have stayed and helped out with development in the minor league program. So it is going to continue to evolve. Big cat. Don't make that face. I am not taking credit.
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I'm saying it's a good thing for the sport growing in the United States of America. And there's 330 million people here, and it's starting to get the respect that it deserves because of all the work that a lot of people have put in. So shout out to the USA.
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You guys got some players, not quite to the level of McDavid, McKinnon, and McCarr, and Crosby, or anyone else in the top 10 of all time because those all belong to Canadians. But you guys have came a long way, and American hockey is here to stay.
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You know what? He's going to go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time. Correct. But I don't think that anybody would have him in the Mount Rushmore of hockey. There's ten guys on a top ten. Sidney Crosby is closer to the Mount Rushmore of hockey than Ovechkin. Wait. I would say that Ove is, once he passes Gretzky for goals, I would say he's probably, yes, going to be coming in
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around sixth or seventh all-time. I think still a lot of people put Stevie Y ahead of him for the amount that he won and also put up points like him, not quite the goals, but from an all-around play perspective, Stevie Y is definitely ahead of Ovi.
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Well, one of the studs was ill. He was not playing. Oh, making excuses? And where we're a little bit thin... in the lineup, is on the back end. And Makar, a lot runs to Makar. He's like a 28-minute-a-game type player in these types of situations. Now, listen, credit goes to the States. Not only did they come out with the fisticuffs, they got punched in the nose with a beautiful...
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you know, accelerating move by McJesus, taking McAvoy to the outside, but then they stopped the bleeding. That was the only goal they ended up scoring. McAvoy was physical. The rest of the team was physical, throwing the body around, and then they locked things up defensively. They didn't allow McKinnon or McDavid's speed to affect them. They did an unreal job of angling in the neutral zone.
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That's something that you guys need to learn about, the angling in the neutral zone to combat that speed coming through the neutral zone. and the Americans did a great job of shutting things down for one game. For one game. And you got punched in the nose, and I get that. But like I said, Thursday, we're going to find an answer, and we're going to bring it to you in your own house.
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Yeah, goaltending has always been a strength of Canada, and they've always been able to rely on three guys bringing them to these international tournaments. I would say that the position has gotten a little bit weaker in Canada. We still have world-class goaltenders. Let's not forget Jordan Binnington won a Stanley Cup with the St. Louis Blues. In fact, he did win that Game 7 in Canada.
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the Boston garden. So he's familiar with the territory. He's now entering for the four nations finals. Um, also Aiden Hill who, yeah, maybe he doesn't have this longevity and this big resume, uh, that some guys have, but he also won a Stanley cup with the Vegas gold Knights. And we do have some young guys in the pipeline.
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Now, the United States has definitely excelled in the goaltending position over the years. Like they have probably five of the top 15 goaltenders in the, in the world now. Um, Hella Buck has been on this incredible run.
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I would say Hella Buck, based on the last five years, not so much in playoffs or in big money games, which is a good thing for Canada going into this one, because the last few years he's had these incredible regular seasons where he won the Vezina last year. He's probably going to win it this year if he continues, but yet bounce in the first round. So...
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Jake Ottinger is another guy who he played at BU, I believe, and he's an incredible goaltender for the Dallas Stars, and there was even a few left off the roster. So that's a position that Canadians have dwindled in, but nonetheless still have guys who can get the job done in that.
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Well, I think it shows everybody why best on best is so important, and the league came out with a statement actually right before the tournament started where they're going to obviously have the Olympics every four years, and the two years offsetting the Olympics.
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So I guess still every four years, but offset by two years, they're going to have a World Cup of Hockey where they're going to essentially control The best on best. Is it going to go back to being a little bit boring? Well, I wouldn't say that because obviously the quality of play won't be as high, but you're also going to be down the stretch here for who's going to try to make playoffs.
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So the caliber and intensity of the NHL will now ramp up with 30 games remaining and so many teams still in the playoff picture. The way the point system is structured now, it keeps a lot of teams relevant later in the season to have a chance to make a run. and capture a playoff position.
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I want to say that there's like six, seven teams in the East that can still grab that Eastern wildcard position. And on top of that, you kind of have this thing that no one ever thought was even possible in the OV goal chase. No one thought Gretzky's goal record was ever going to be broken. And they thought that...
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with the way that Ovi was going and trending, maybe coming off of last year, that it would take him two, maybe even three years to pass him, and it was going to be like, oh, God, this is kind of taking forever. No, he hasn't slowed down one bit. He's still at his normal pace where there's a strong possibility that he breaks it towards game 80 to 82, in which...
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Game 82, they play the Pittsburgh Penguins against Crosby. So for him to break that playing against Crosby, I think that that would be a monumental moment given the fact that these guys have carried the league for the last 20 years. And they can do it at the same time.
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I think that people were optimistic going in. I think that a lot of people understood how good this American roster was and that all four teams had a possibility to win. It does suck because the Finns had a few injuries on D, which kind of made them the fourth man out. But that game changed everything.
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Even going back to the first game, Canada versus Sweden, Canada got out to the 2-0 lead, and twice Sweden came back from two goal deficits, and it went to overtime. It was this incredible three-on-three, and that kind of set the tone for everything, and I think that that made people even more interested. And then when that game happened, I don't know if you guys heard, but
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Like, you guys know who the Kachuk brothers are. There might be people listening who are not familiar. Walt Kachuk, Keith is his actual name, is a bona fide Hall of Famer. He will be put in the Hall of Fame. American player who scored 500 goals. He's not in the Hall of Fame yet.
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The fact that he birthed these two children and Brady and Matthew should put him in the Hall of Fame just for that reason alone. They should put his sperm.
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in the hockey hall of fame in its own little section maybe in like a cloning lab if they want to make more guys who can sell the game because these guys are like these WWE characters who are not only very highly skilled they play fucking hard they handle their own business and obviously if they feel threatened in any way they'll punch your face in especially if you're booing their national anthem so they go out there
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But that afternoon before the game, they started a text thread with a guy named JT Miller, who's been having a chaotic year with the Vancouver Canucks, who was then traded to the New York Rangers. And they basically said, we're going to flip the bell center in Montreal upside down, right from the opening goddamn face-off. And then you guys saw the melee that ensued. So...
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There are so many casual sports fans that are now obsessed with this storyline of these teams meeting back up on Thursday. This couldn't have been a better thing for the NHL. This makeshift experience that took over for an All-Star game has basically now turned into World War III.
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I would say for a week straight, everybody's going to argue about the lineup decisions. There will be conversations of blowing up Hockey Canada and restructuring the whole thing. There'll be dialogue about how hockey, youth hockey specifically, is far too expensive, how much it is to rent ice, how much it is to buy equipment, how the common man has been weeded out.
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So it would be safe to say yes, it would be a national emergency if we lose that game on Thursday. That would be fair to say.
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What are you doing? Are you working? So I've been on the road for a week straight and I've missed basically every flight's been delayed or are canceled minimal sleep. I am going to watch from my living room in peace and zone in. And I'm going to watch every goddamn second of that game. That's where I want to be on my couch outside the noise.
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You should probably get somebody who has experience playing hockey growing up in Canada.
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I think that you should get a blue-collar Canadian who's extremely passionate about hockey, somebody who has a thick accent. You are in Chicago, which is pretty central. It would have been funny for you guys to get a Maritimer or something. It might be easier for you guys to fly in somebody from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, maybe Red Deer, Alberta. Maybe get a true Westerner.
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I would imagine somebody of that magnitude would have a big impact on the stream to bring their patriotic beliefs in Canadian hockey to the streams.
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I would say give me a 30 to 60-second video of them describing why they deserve to be on the stream, and then I'll make my pick according to that. They have to provide maple syrup, and every time the Canadiens score, you have to do a maple syrup shot. Everybody in the room. That has to happen. Okay. If he's not wearing a Canadian tuxedo, he's not invited. Yeah.
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And ask them how they would solve the housing crisis in Canada. Okay. That should be their little trick question to see if they, who knows, maybe he's the next prime minister.
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I would just build more houses. I like the people who solve it.
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I would, I would do that. But if, if we win, then Trump can't even talk about one more fucking deal. And he has to walk back to 51st state comment. He has to take the podium at the white house and, And he has to apologize to not only me, but all of my fellow countrymen about some of the inflammatory comments he's been making about taking over Canada. Okay, deal.
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We've long been friends with Americans. He started this. I'm sorry about the boos, but they were not directed at people like you. They were directed at the orange man who called us the 51st state.
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It's fun. I would say that the political climate of this game is at the perfect place. It's like, okay, it is serious. I don't think that the tariffs are going to happen. I think he was joking about the 51st state. Let's boo each other. Let's fight each other. And let's go have beers after the game and say, hey, great job, everybody. We did a lot for hockey. Yes.
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After a 6-2 Canadian victory with McJesus two goals, Mitchie Marner with a goal and an assist, Kale McCarr with one and one-two, and hopefully a Marshawn knuckle sandwich.
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No, it actually doesn't because it's motivated him even more to win this game. I agree with what you're saying. Hey, listen. I'm not being a hypocrite either. Everybody scrutinized Ovi until he won, right? But he won. And then he won. And then the monkey was off the back. And then everyone called him a winner. So for McDavid, yeah, I think he's won World Juniors. But this is a way bigger deal.
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There's going to be 15 million people watching worldwide. That would be my assumption as to how many people watch this game. This might go down as one of the most viewed hockey games of all time. So McJesus has to win the big one. And the torch will be passed.
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I don't think that would be fair to say. Okay, all right.
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I mean, like... And this is no insult to the Bills or is it Jim Kelly? Yeah, Jim Kelly, yeah. He did lose four times in the Super Bowl, like straight, right? Right back to back to back to back.
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That's true. That's true. That's a good point. I wouldn't say he's the biggest loser, though. I would say that my concerns would rise whether or not he can win the big one.
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No, I think he's going to play around that. He doesn't want it enough. You would have to drag me off that ice.
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So hockey is an anaerobic sport, and you can't be efficient being out there the full 60 minutes. It's just impossible. Yeah, if you don't want it enough.
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Mind over matter. I bet you if you ask one of the Kachuk brothers, they'd do it. Why would you want to come off the ice to allow a guy like Sidney Crosby to also play 20 minutes?
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Come on.
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Well, we're the cucking Canadians. We do like to share.
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So I was trying to do my best Don King impression, and we had Drew Doughty on postgame, and he's had an individual rivalry with Matthew Kachuk since Matthew Kachuk entered the league. They were both playing in the West at the time. Matthew Kachuk started with the Calgary Flames.
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So keep in mind, folks, the guy that you guys have been bag licking the most, the Kachuks, they both started their careers in Canada. Brady actually still plays for the Ottawa Senators. You literally talked about their father's firm, and you're saying that we're bag lickers. They have honed their skills on Canadian ice. Brady has played for the Ottawa Senators, which is the capital of Canada.
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That's where our parliament is. And Matthew started with the Calgary Flames. And when they would play against the LA Kings and Drew Doughty, they'd always be battling. So I asked after the game, I said, hey, Hagel said he wouldn't back down. And I know that you've had personal beef with Matthew Kachuk over the years. If he asked you and challenged you to fight, would you do so?
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And he said, I would do anything, anything for my country. So we may see fisticuffs in that game. I don't think we're going to see him at the drop of the puck. But if there's a big hit... maybe a little tomfoolery with running of the goaltender, I think there's a strong possibility that they shed the mitts and they go toe-to-toe. Toe-to-toe.
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Alberta beef.
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He honed his skills on Canadian soil. Okay, yeah. To propel him to learn how to be a winner. What happened when he came to America? To propel him to learn how to be a winner, just like all the people who played in the NHL who are Canadian, who settled in the United States, who helped you guys become a strong hockey nation. You can thank us now.
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Exactly. And we didn't even ask for thanks for it. All we wanted was your respect and dignity. And we've received none of it.
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Here we got hockey boosting your economy, and now there's threats of you guys crippling ours after everything we've done for you. So I would refrain from your booze at Boston Garden there, Mr. Big Cat.
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I kind of, when I'm nestling up to get a little nap, I don't mind having my hand on my junk.
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I think Al Bundy was on to something.
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Yeah, they did. Kind of like how the Americans started the game. Sneak attack. This is war. And I'm hoping that Canada deploys the nukes like Tom Wilson. This is war!
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I just wanted them. There are Canadian natural hand warmers. That's what we call them. Canadian hand warmers.
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In the CFL, the quarterbacks don't have that pouch. They just put their hand on their nuts in the midst of the game. That's the Canadian Football League.
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gotten everyone so excited and like just so i'm looking forward to thursday night like it's a playoff game for one of my teams oh and as if this game needed a little extra spice there is rumblings that uh uh the greatest american defenseman on the planet who is too injured coming into the tournament is now going to lace him up for the finals he hadn't played one game didn't even attend the tournament and they're calling in the infiltrate yeah so quinn hughes
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Quinn Hughes, this kid is unbelievable to watch. And for those of you who don't follow hockey much, if he does play, he's a water bug out there. You could also argue the fact that Kale McCarr is also a modern-day Bobby Orr.
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But the way that him and Quinn Hughes are able to move around back there and walk the blue line with their Shakira hips and their edge work with their skates and how they're able to find lanes to the net. They're a single-man breakout. They don't even need anybody else on the ice to snap it around with. They can just take it up the ice themselves. They're fascinating to watch.
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Another guy to look out for, Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Zach Wierenski played at the University of Michigan. He's had a tremendous season. Because of the injuries that Quinn Hughes has sustained and some of the time he's missed, he could actually maybe win the Norris ahead of him.
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I think that he should also be in the heart conversation also based on what he's done for the Columbus Blue Jackets alone. Jacob Slavin, a smothering defenseman with a great stick. Another young defenseman in Brock Faber who plays in Minnesota.
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The general manager of Team USA is Bill Guerin, and he brought this youngster on the team, and he has showed him that he looks like a genius for even adding him to the roster. Incredible shutdown game against the Canadiens. As far as the forwards are concerned, Jack Eichel. He won a Stanley Cup with the Vegas Golden Knights. This kid is unbelievable.
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The way that he moves up and down the ice, the way that he plays on the defensive side of the puck as well, the way that he's able to spread the puck out and distribute it, yet being so reliable. To me, he's like Shasha Barkov for the Florida Panthers. That's how good he is at playing a full 200-foot game
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Austin Matthews, who scored 69 goals last year at the Toronto Maple Leafs, giggity-giggity, he is a lethal sniper for the Americans as well. He has not scored a goal yet in this tournament, but look for him to potentially have an explosive game. I could go on and on about all the talent that has been developed on the American side, all thanks to the Canadians. Those are some of the guys.
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We got two sets of brothers.
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That goes without saying. The Kachuk brothers are the modern-day Bash brothers. They literally foreshadowed this in the Mighty Ducks movies about these two. Okay? The modern-day Bash brothers. And they are WWE superstars at the way they can also handle the mic. So I am grateful for these guys and helping grow the game. But on Thursday... They're going to get absolutely fucking worked.
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Mark my words. This is our score.
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Final.
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Six to two.
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McJesus will rise. McJesus will rise. They will light up Hellebuck in an elimination situation. When all the chips are on the table, he is unproven. He is unproven. And Canada will take advantage of that. And Jordan, the snowman Bennington, will have an incredible performance for the Canadians in net.
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Mark my words. It's disrespectful. An absolute spanking. And it'll be a message to you, all the casual hockey fans, and that orange man in the White House for threatening the tariffs on us.
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Yeah. You started this, and I didn't boo the national anthem. Yeah, you did. I respect all the freedoms that this country has provided me and my family. I respect that. You guys disrespected us first.
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Are you guys done?
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I may have been a plug, but I do understand the game. Right. I sat right in front of the coach most of my career, right in the middle of the bench, and observed and paid attention to all the little details of the game, every video session. And I had to pay attention to those details because if I didn't, I wouldn't have been in the lineup.
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And if I would have messed one of those little details up, I would have been out of the lineup. So I was just trying to help Bedard. I personally think I should be on the payroll. with the Chicago Blackhawks based on me helping him train this summer on that hike we did. Helping him with his face-offs at the Winter Classic when we did that little video in which what's happened since?
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His face-off percentage has improved. You're welcome. And then he was getting a little bit sloppy defensively, so I called it out. If the coaches don't want to call it out, I will because you guys ain't going to win no Stanley Cups if he's playing defense like that. So you're welcome, Big Cat.
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Have you talked to Bedard at all? I respect Blackhawks Twitter for having their boys back. I respect that. But I was just calling it how I saw it.
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If you're going for a Stanley Cup big cat and there's a big, fat, juicy rebound in the front of the net, do you want your centerman who's supposed to be in support swinging into the corner and not stopping in front to potentially rid of the danger of the puck just sitting there in the crease? What do you think?
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That's what I'm saying. And that's all I was saying on television. And then they got poopy pants because their team sucks and they're going to be another lottery team.
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He was incredible in the third period of that game, and then the next game he played against Nashville, given all the negative media attention surrounding it, he had a goal and an assist. I think that, although not like Nathan McKinnon dog in him, or maybe an assassin like Kucherov, I believe that he does have dog in him, and it will eventually be unleashed.
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He's too stubborn not to become one of the greats. Some people are questioning his speed, his defensive effort, maybe his lack of compete in some situations. I'm not crazy about his body language some of the time, but I think that this kid is very young, he's very determined, and he's going to figure it out with my help and other fellow Canadians.
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You know what? I don't think that people would take me seriously as a coach given how big of a clown I am, but maybe down the road I would consider it.
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Let's say this. After we eventually maybe win a Chicklets Cup in which we're actually competing against you and Keith Yannel's team.
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Let's win that and then hopefully spend a little time with John Gruden, allow maybe some of his skills to rub off on me, and then maybe I'll consider.
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I never really looked at it that way. Um, Before you mentioned it. And a little fun fact, Nickelback is Connor McDavid's favorite band. So maybe there was a little bit of jealousy and distraction at the fact that I got the limelight with Nickelback. And maybe that's why he's distracted from winning the big one. But I would say no. No, don't put those negative thoughts in my head.
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It was an honor to get up there on stage with those guys. I believe there are over 70 million albums sold worldwide. And those guys could put on an unreal 90 minute show. They rocked it out at the bird's nest. Uh, Jerome McGinley, uh, another fellow Canadian was in attendance. He scored 600 goals in the national hockey league. I was just surprised that he didn't get asked up.
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There was other hockey players there. So, um, I guess the, the Irish traveler situation is what put me over the edge. And as the local citizen of the year, uh, that's why I eventually got the nod. And, uh,
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was able to perform but uh quite the honor uh nervous going in but i gotta thank our boy glenny balls yep who was there who had actually already sang with nickelback and gave me a nice little pep talk uh pep talk beforehand in order to calm my nerves so i gotta thank uh only stands and he also got me a bonnie blue message for my uh my toronto maple leafs So he's just on fire.
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He's basically my life coach at this point.
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Yes. I think that it would be a detractor. To the Bash Brothers. I call them the BBLs because Keith Kachuk called his sons lunatics. So I call them the Bash Brother lunatics, the BBLs.
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I think that Tom Wilson, considering that Quinn Hughes hasn't played a game this tournament and they're going to add him to the final roster more than likely, I figure that they should just open the floodgates and allow any person to now enter the tournament. So Tom Wilson is a very feared individual. He forechecks like a motherfucker. He will take a 20-gamer and elbow you right in the jaw.
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And if he could be added to this and we could throw in the nukes, I would muck Bonnie Blue's bin.
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I look forward to seeing this Canadian that you're going to bring on, and I hope he brings us luck.
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I have one last thing to say. Yes.
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Boo. Boo. You don't boo my anthem. Boo. Boo. You don't boo my anthem, god damn it.
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There's going to be a... What do they call it when they took all the booze away? The prohibition? Yeah. We're taking away all America's booze and you're going to be drinking maple syrup. That's it. Once we take over your country.
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100%.
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42.
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11.
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Thank you.
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I don't let you know that whenever you see this guy, if you see this guy and me fighting in a parking lot, you'd say, he's going to beat the fuck out of him. He's got a lick of fat on him. He's fucking tremendous. He's got a giant tattoo. He's put like Dwayne The Rock Johnson. My uncle's 50 fucking year old. Is he a white guy, black guy, Hispanic?
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He's an Hispanic guy with black hair and a black beard. And he was pushing and shoving just as much as everybody else. But that's whenever I showed up.